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(UPI)   Study finds the American diet is unsustainable. Americans: "Hmm, food for thought. Have another pork chop, hon"   ( upi.com) divider line
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2018-08-09 02:49:07 PM  
It's sustainable, for Americans. It's just not something the whole world can enjoy.
 
2018-08-09 02:50:50 PM  
According to new research, if the rest of the world adhered to the United States Department of Agriculture's dietary guidelines, it would require another giga-hectare of land -- a plot of farmland roughly the size of Canada.

Oh, well, see? That's the thing. The rest of the world's isn't supposed to adhere to American dietary expectations. They're just supposed to adjust their own accordingly so Americans can continue on as they always have. See also, "climate change."
 
2018-08-09 03:05:06 PM  
According to new research, if the rest of the world adhered to the United States Department of Agriculture's dietary guidelines, it would require another giga-hectare of land -- a plot of farmland roughly the size of Canada.

It's decided then: invade Canada.
 
2018-08-09 03:05:17 PM  
~looks up from wonderbread, bologna, and Frito sandwich~ Wut?
 
2018-08-09 03:18:14 PM  
Pork doesn't take all that much land. 

Cattle on the other hand..
 
2018-08-09 03:39:55 PM  
It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.
 
2018-08-09 03:40:46 PM  

Smock Pot: ~looks up from wonderbread, bologna, and Frito sandwich~ Wut?


You need some Miracle Whip to hold that together.
 
2018-08-09 03:41:30 PM  

GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.


I am sure Mrs. GodComplex is one step ahead of you.
 
2018-08-09 03:43:05 PM  
Okay, Malthus.
 
2018-08-09 03:43:34 PM  
Don't care. Had snacks.
 
2018-08-09 03:44:11 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Smock Pot: ~looks up from wonderbread, bologna, and Frito sandwich~ Wut?

You need some Miracle Whip to hold that together.


A gallon of ranch
 
2018-08-09 03:48:35 PM  
So basically we're going back to eating Vinegar Pie?
 
2018-08-09 03:48:47 PM  
Or, you know, it is and the "study" is crap.
Can't imagine why that might be the case.
 
2018-08-09 03:51:13 PM  
Huh, it seems like local diet is driven by local arable lands and sustainability.  Who would have imagined that.
 
2018-08-09 03:51:46 PM  
Ironically, if more Americans adopted the dietary recommendations of the USDA, the United States would reduce its agricultural footprint.

That actually is ironic.  Weird.
 
2018-08-09 04:04:29 PM  
Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.
 
2018-08-09 04:06:04 PM  
Well, I'm not eating cockroaches. I don't care how "nutritious" they are. I'll just wither away if it comes to that.
 
2018-08-09 04:09:12 PM  
Well, fortunately the eastern hemisphere has been perfectly happy eating animal feet, beaks and snouts so that we can enjoy our cuisine.

/mmm, now I want a hot dog.
 
2018-08-09 04:12:50 PM  
The whole point of the article isn't that the USDA diet is unsustainable.  It actually never justifies this.

1) No assertion is ever made or supported that all land possible to use for food production is being used for food production at the moment.  The simple assumption is "more would be required" and thus that it's not possible.
2) Asia, one example of where the isn't enough land, has an "inflection point" in the 80s that the authors themselves propose was due to liberalization of economies (and thus introduction of more efficient production and use as well as increased actual consumption).  The eventual net by 2020 is zero additional land needed.
3) Africa is the source of most of the global need, and it is a place where most of the land is not productively used for food consumption.  By their own statements and examples, we should be able to expect that Africa could also meet the proposed requirements with changes to its production.  There is no evidence or argument given as to why this couldn't happen.

The final point - that dietary standards should be international rather than national - is the post-hoc justification for all of this.  "Not everyone can do what the US can do (at least, according to us as long as you ignore our actual data), so the US shouldn't do it either."
 
2018-08-09 04:19:56 PM  
We probably should eat less meat, though.
 
2018-08-09 04:26:02 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Smock Pot: ~looks up from wonderbread, bologna, and Frito sandwich~ Wut?

You need some Miracle Whip to hold that together.


Ewww, Miracle Whip, is Satan's jizz
 
2018-08-09 04:26:51 PM  
It is absolutely sustainable.  This is stupid.

As consumption patterns change, so will prices.  People will, like they always have, adapt their diet based on what they can obtain.

It's like saying Ford Focus production is unsustainable because if everyone demanded one, there wouldn't be enough.  In the real world, increased demand would result in higher prices, not everyone would get one.  People would buy other cars.  Problem solved .
 
2018-08-09 04:28:45 PM  

dv-ous: We probably should eat less meat, though.


You should.  More for me.
 
2018-08-09 04:35:42 PM  

dv-ous: We probably should eat less meat, though.


fark yourself
 
2018-08-09 04:44:48 PM  

GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.


Or we could just grow all the meat in vats.

Best Princess Celestia: Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.


And the babies too.
 
2018-08-09 04:49:36 PM  

Zroop: GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.

Or we could just grow all the meat in vats.

Best Princess Celestia: Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.

And the babies too.


Just don't mix up the meat-vats and the baby-vats.
 
2018-08-09 04:50:36 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Zroop: GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.

Or we could just grow all the meat in vats.

Best Princess Celestia: Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.

And the babies too.

Just don't mix up the meat-vats and the baby-vats.


What if they're one in the same?
 
2018-08-09 04:54:43 PM  

GodComplex: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Zroop: GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.

Or we could just grow all the meat in vats.

Best Princess Celestia: Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.

And the babies too.

Just don't mix up the meat-vats and the baby-vats.

What if they're one in the same?


That's how it is at the Swift packing plant.
 
2018-08-09 05:39:50 PM  

GodComplex: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Zroop: GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.

Or we could just grow all the meat in vats.

Best Princess Celestia: Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.

And the babies too.

Just don't mix up the meat-vats and the baby-vats.

What if they're one in the same?


In one of my all-time fav author's books "Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand" (Samuel R. Delany) there is a somewhat decedent future star civ that enjoys occasionally throwing huge feasts/parties. one of the casually mentioned features of a really well done soiree is a meat course made from starter cells from the host....

The main character, an industrial diplomat (galaxy traveling type) is feted at a banquet on some mission, where he has to hide his revulsion at being served a meat course where he discovers there are actual bones in the dish (implying part of a once living animal).

That's not the point of the book, just a couple minor details. It's really excellent science fiction.


Different strokes
 
2018-08-09 05:47:29 PM  
oh god can't imagine how bad worldwide obesity, heart disease, and diabetes rates would skyrocket if the world adopted the USDA dietary guidelines.
 
2018-08-09 05:56:51 PM  

NakedDrummer: oh god can't imagine how bad worldwide obesity, heart disease, and diabetes rates would skyrocket if the world adopted the USDA dietary guidelines.


Meh. Sounds to me like a self-correcting problem.
 
2018-08-09 06:24:43 PM  

GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.


The genius of canabalism is that you increase supply while decreasing demand. Win win. And probably win.
 
2018-08-09 06:37:33 PM  
I mean... if you took the agricultural footprint of, say, Israel and tried to force it on the entire world it'd be unstainable too.  Earth is a real, actual planet, not a science-fiction single biome deal from farking star wars.  It has a variety of climate and other conditions that make agriculture and sustainability in general highly geographically dependent to the point that generalizing the steady-state of even a relatively large nation-state to the entire globe will pretty much necessarily fail immediately.

I'm... sorry that the writer of TFA missed like the first week of kindergarten, I guess?  I'm not even sure how to start the insult here, usually we're dealing with people who slept through high school, not people who miss the point on the level of not knowing that a planet is bigger than a country...
 
2018-08-09 06:41:22 PM  
It's perfectly sustainable. For us. Everyone else, not so much, and that's the point.

How can we drive the point of American exceptionalism home if we don't eat bigger, better, fatter, greasier, saltier, sweeter, and with portion sizes that would feed entire families for the day in one meal? How do we drive the point home that our lifestyle is superior in every way possible if others don't look at it, and listen to their stomachs rumble, just a bit? How can we BE better, if we don't prove HOW superior our lifestyle is, how much more attractive our women are, how much brighter our skies, how much deeper our rivers, how much better our sports, and THEN keep those dreaming motherf*ckers the Hells out, yearning to be on the other side of this border?  It's worked for country clubs for well over a century, so why NOT put that into practice everywhere in the US? Mmmm...this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO good, and you can't have any, because you're dirty and foreign...

Our cuisine is based on the economics of scale, and the sheer power of envy and greed. Fear it, and fear the power of the Baconator, plebes...
 
2018-08-09 07:12:45 PM  
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2018-08-09 07:55:46 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean... if you took the agricultural footprint of, say, Israel and tried to force it on the entire world it'd be unstainable too.  Earth is a real, actual planet, not a science-fiction single biome deal from farking star wars.  It has a variety of climate and other conditions that make agriculture and sustainability in general highly geographically dependent to the point that generalizing the steady-state of even a relatively large nation-state to the entire globe will pretty much necessarily fail immediately.

I'm... sorry that the writer of TFA missed like the first week of kindergarten, I guess?  I'm not even sure how to start the insult here, usually we're dealing with people who slept through high school, not people who miss the point on the level of not knowing that a planet is bigger than a country...


This, more or less.
 
2018-08-09 08:03:25 PM  
Asia's population is unsustainable even if its diet consisted of nothing but absorbing nitrogen out of the air.

/seriously people, wear a damn condom
 
2018-08-09 08:23:51 PM  

Sugarbombs: Asia's population is unsustainable even if its diet consisted of nothing but absorbing nitrogen out of the air.

/seriously people, wear a damn condom


Asia is set to level off or maybe decline in 30 years.

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2018-08-09 11:57:17 PM  
So I was curious about this and did a little digging about US beef consumption. From one of the articles I found: "The U.S. is the largest producer, the largest consumer, the third-largest exporter and the largest importer of beef in the world." Turns out the imports are mostly "lean cuts" used for hamburger; we don't produce enough "lean" for hamburger and so we import a fair chunk of it. Our largest beef trading partners are (surprise, surprise) Mexico and Canada for both import and export. They send us cattle, we send them steak.
 
2018-08-10 12:31:09 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It is absolutely sustainable.  This is stupid.

As consumption patterns change, so will prices.  People will, like they always have, adapt their diet based on what they can obtain.

It's like saying Ford Focus production is unsustainable because if everyone demanded one, there wouldn't be enough.  In the real world, increased demand would result in higher prices, not everyone would get one.  People would buy other cars.  Problem solved .


I wouldn't be surprised if we see a human die off in the the hundreds of millions, if not billions within a century. What the non scientist doesn't really grasp at the gut level is that climate change has a feedback look.  Someone should have Ted Nugent demonstrate that with his guitar a high powered guitar amp, but not be able to pull back except very slowly.
 
2018-08-10 10:53:38 AM  

GodComplex: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Zroop: GodComplex: It's unsustainable if the population keeps growing. I have a modest proposal that could fix that.

Or we could just grow all the meat in vats.

Best Princess Celestia: Its not just Americans. Nothing is sustainable as long as you continue to let people breed uncontrollably.

And the babies too.

Just don't mix up the meat-vats and the baby-vats.

What if they're one in the same?


Baby is a delicacy, you don't want to serve that to the help. They get the tough, cheap stuff they can smuggle out when they clean the bottom of the tanks.
 
2018-08-10 10:59:50 AM  

Saiga410: Huh, it seems like local diet is driven by local arable lands and sustainability.  Who would have imagined that.


So how many coffee plantations are in Italy or Norway, two of the most coffee loving places (per capita) on Earth? What about vanilla outside Mexico and Madagascar? Or serving Maine lobster in a fancy restaurant in Minneapolis?
 
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