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(Yahoo)   Jayson Werth surprised to learn that Scott Boras' strategy of waiting to sign contracts to build value doesn't work when you're well over the hill and coming off of a contract you never lived up to   ( sports.yahoo.com) divider line
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2018-08-09 02:11:53 PM  
it's almost as if boras doesn't really have his clients' best interests in mind...
 
2018-08-09 02:13:53 PM  
"I wouldn't play for the Mets."

who really wants to anyway
 
2018-08-09 03:00:31 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: it's almost as if boras doesn't really have his clients' best interests in mind...


Boras isn't making money if Werth isn't playing, but it is quite possible that he gets the deals he makes done quickly and doesn't bother dealing for the Werths.  Still, if you're coming off a contract you never lived up to, you at least made your money then.
/who would hire Boras for any reason other than maximum money?
//he will screw the team over, so don't expect to be winning
///but most of your life won't be in sports, so don't turn down the money
/[bonus slashie] the real question is why teams are willing to talk to him?
 
2018-08-09 03:07:42 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Boras isn't making money if Werth isn't playing, but it is quite possible that he gets the deals he makes done quickly and doesn't bother dealing for the Werths


If I were a Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, etc, then I can understand using someone with an already large and impressive clientele like Boras. Anyone else who is clearly not among the top 2-3% of MLB players couldn't possibly muster any more than a few minutes of Boras's time & attention over the duration of his representation of them.

I know I personally wouldn't mind potentially giving up a couple million dollars on a long term deal because I "settled" for a lesser known agent whom makes up for what he/she lacks in experience and "wow factor" by actually caring and paying attention to my needs, overall portfolio, etc
 
2018-08-09 03:09:18 PM  
Boras, of course, was largely credited as responsible for the slow free agent market following the 2017 season.

yeah this is 100% bullshiat. cheapass owners who snuck what is essentially a hard salary cap past an increasingly toothless union are responsible for the slow free agent market

but go ahead, blame greedy players and agents, not the owners in the 2nd-richest sports league in the world
 
2018-08-09 03:09:49 PM  
He represents a number of the sport's biggest stars, and advised many of last year's free agents - including J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Jake Arrieta, and Greg Holland - to wait out the market through Spring Training, if necessary.


Ask Mike Moustakas how that worked out for him too.
 
2018-08-09 03:14:53 PM  
Werth's batting average:
2012-2014: .303
2015-2017: .230

Then he injured his hamstring while on a minor-league deal with the Seattle Mariners.

Scott Boras is a weapons-grade dick, but I'm not seeing where Boras is at fault here.
 
2018-08-09 03:15:29 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Dead for Tax Reasons: it's almost as if boras doesn't really have his clients' best interests in mind...

Boras isn't making money if Werth isn't playing, but it is quite possible that he gets the deals he makes done quickly and doesn't bother dealing for the Werths.  Still, if you're coming off a contract you never lived up to, you at least made your money then.
/who would hire Boras for any reason other than maximum money?
//he will screw the team over, so don't expect to be winning
///but most of your life won't be in sports, so don't turn down the money
/[bonus slashie] the real question is why teams are willing to talk to him?


boras is in it for the money to some extent, but i think his ego is more important to feed.  he needs to be the toughest negotiator and always wring out that extra few dollars.  if the reputation goes away, he isn't the shark, he's just another agent

it's one thing when you've got harper going out there (even though he's trying to play himself out of the biggest deal), but that BS doesn't fly with an over the hill guy who burned the last team he was on.  but he seems unable to adapt based on who he's dealing with, and thinks no deal is better than taking a few bucks less early for some security instead of holding out and getting even less, which seems to be the trend lately.  then the guy has to hope for a great year after getting a 1-year deal just to get back to where he could've been if he signed in november
 
2018-08-09 03:16:51 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: "I wouldn't play for the Mets."

who really wants to anyway


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2018-08-09 03:23:48 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Boras, of course, was largely credited as responsible for the slow free agent market following the 2017 season.

yeah this is 100% bullshiat. cheapass owners who snuck what is essentially a hard salary cap past an increasingly toothless union are responsible for the slow free agent market

but go ahead, blame greedy players and agents, not the owners in the 2nd-richest sports league in the world


teams seem to be getting burned on these kinds of contracts more often than not lately.  why pay $15M for an older 3 true outcome guy when you can bring up a kid and kick the tires on him for $500K

the indians' model of signing a guy long-term early has worked out well.  maybe the guy isn't worth it up front, and could go bust, but they've worked out well in the long run when you get the guy at a discount when he gets to the end of the contract

the player is giving some up at the end, but gets guaranteed money young, and knowing if they are good when it is up, they can go off elsewhere and rake in a big contract when he is still 29 or 30

lindor is about the only guy who didn't buy into it, but with the timeline of the team, he'd be around during rebuilding years at that point and just get traded away (which will probably happen anyway in 2021 before he hits free agency)
 
2018-08-09 04:14:37 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: "I wouldn't play for the Mets."

who really wants to anyway


I don't know if Bobby Bonilla wanted to play for the Mets, but I'm sure he's glad now that he did.
 
2018-08-09 04:42:45 PM  
Think the owners are getting smarter and not having to sign huge deals with players only to be bitten on the ass once they realize the players production =/ the contract they signed.  Gives them more flexibility to trade a player if they signed him in spring training on a short-term deal and use them as leverage for a trade down the road.
 
2018-08-09 05:01:17 PM  
I'm glad that the Phillies' fans gave him such a good reception last weekend.
 
2018-08-09 05:20:04 PM  
It's hard to feel sorry for Werth.  But if he feels strongly that Boras did not do his job properly then he should seek a legal remedy.
 
2018-08-09 05:34:17 PM  
Rwa2play: Think the owners are getting smarter and not having to sign huge deals with players only to be bitten on the ass once they realize the players production =/ the contract they signed

I wish the Angels would have had that moment of enlightenment before they signed Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton. Alas. I mean, good for Pujols especially, he was a great player for the Cardinals in his prime. If the Angels were dumb enough to agree to hand him $10 million after he retires on top of his playing salary, that's not on him.
 
2018-08-10 10:15:51 AM  

Henry Holland: Rwa2play: Think the owners are getting smarter and not having to sign huge deals with players only to be bitten on the ass once they realize the players production =/ the contract they signed

I wish the Angels would have had that moment of enlightenment before they signed Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton. Alas. I mean, good for Pujols especially, he was a great player for the Cardinals in his prime. If the Angels were dumb enough to agree to hand him $10 million after he retires on top of his playing salary, that's not on him.


The Pujols & Hamilton signings are part of the reason the owners have started to get cautious on FA signings. They don't want to be saddled with a player past his prime on a bloated contract.  Hell, the Yankees were a prime example with ARod: $25 Million salary and not even close to playing to that contract at the end of his career.
 
2018-08-10 12:26:23 PM  

Rwa2play: Henry Holland: Rwa2play: Think the owners are getting smarter and not having to sign huge deals with players only to be bitten on the ass once they realize the players production =/ the contract they signed

I wish the Angels would have had that moment of enlightenment before they signed Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton. Alas. I mean, good for Pujols especially, he was a great player for the Cardinals in his prime. If the Angels were dumb enough to agree to hand him $10 million after he retires on top of his playing salary, that's not on him.

The Pujols & Hamilton signings are part of the reason the owners have started to get cautious on FA signings. They don't want to be saddled with a player past his prime on a bloated contract.  Hell, the Yankees were a prime example with ARod: $25 Million salary and not even close to playing to that contract at the end of his career.


The Pujols and Hamilton signings are part of the reason the owners need to stay the hell away from the operations side of the business.  Gary Matthews Jr, Vernon Wells, Albert Pujols, and Josh Hamilton were all garbage contracts that Arte Moreno all but forced his GMs into.
 
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