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2018-08-09 11:53:01 AM  
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2018-08-09 01:44:24 PM  
He should be personally held accountable for each and every death.
 
2018-08-09 05:21:40 PM  
Good thing Zuckingberg sent his VR self.
 
2018-08-09 05:41:49 PM  
Its a liberal island... run by liberals...
 
2018-08-09 05:42:06 PM  
Everyone makes mistakes. 64 dead, 1400 dead, 4600 dead. Once you've used up all your fingers and toes, it really gets difficult to keep track.
 
2018-08-09 05:44:36 PM  

FlyingBacon: Its a liberal island... run by liberals...


And a whole bunch of their residents/US citizens are now living in Florida and other states.
Have fun with that, Two Scoops.
 
2018-08-09 05:46:52 PM  

FlyingBacon: Its a liberal island... run by liberals...


Which is part of why we've kept them as a territory. Otherwise, it'd be an almost-guaranteed blue state.

/Another part is because corporations like to fark over the populace in ways not allowed in actual states.
 
2018-08-09 05:49:45 PM  
Over 1400 reported deaths. The actual count, sadly, is probably significantly higher.
 
2018-08-09 05:52:34 PM  
That explains why Trump threw so few paper towels.

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Another abomination by the Trump administration. I wonder how much the governor got paid to repress the true numbers. And all the aid workers and medical people. I wonder if they had their jobs threatened if they talked about all the dead bodies and people dying in abysmal conditions.
 
2018-08-09 05:54:32 PM  

Heamer: Over 1400 reported deaths. The actual count, sadly, is probably significantly higher.


That much has been known for months. Though why they just went up to 1400 when it pretty much a certainty that it is a lot higher. They'll just have to revise it again. Whoops.
 
2018-08-09 05:58:34 PM  
Katrina had more.

Not that it's better, but I'm sure the deaths on the island are under reported still.
 
2018-08-09 05:59:29 PM  
Now who are Trump and Putin gonna have a threesome with?
 
2018-08-09 06:00:44 PM  
Oh come on, its not like it was American deaths

/somewhere, someone actually thinks that
//I dont think, so im safe
///i like chili
 
2018-08-09 06:04:07 PM  
Is that enough corpses for you, Geraldo, you worthless fark?
 
2018-08-09 06:08:03 PM  
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2018-08-09 06:08:29 PM  
Dang, well it's a good thing that didn't happen here in the U.S.
/oh wait..
 
2018-08-09 06:10:05 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: That explains why Trump threw so few paper towels.

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That is so goddamned repulsive. And, given the overwhelming other shiat he has done since, I'd forgotten about it. We really do have a new king of America.
 
2018-08-09 06:11:54 PM  
The government acknowledged the higher death toll with no fanfare in a report submitted to Congress this week in which it detailed a $139 billion reconstruction plan for the island.

I hope that reconstruction starts with a purge of the corrupt assholes who were in charge of screwing up the infrastructure in the first place, otherwise you're just paying them to do it all over again.
 
2018-08-09 06:14:36 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: That explains why Trump threw so few paper towels.

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That is so goddamned repulsive. And, given the overwhelming other shiat he has done since, I'd forgotten about it. We really do have a new king of America.


If you look at some of the photos, you can see people traveling with his party laughing and smiling. If you look close at the brown people away in the corner behind Trump, they're not smiling or laughing. I swear one woman has both hands to covering her mouth...like out of shock.
 
2018-08-09 06:15:43 PM  

gonegirl: Is that enough corpses for you, Geraldo, you worthless fark?


I think we should have a national Geraldo Appreciation Day, where we all show our appreciation for him by hitting him in the face with a chair.
 
2018-08-09 06:17:39 PM  

gonegirl: Is that enough corpses for you, Geraldo, you worthless fark?


Thank you for that. I farking hate that mealy-mouthed ass-kisser.
 
2018-08-09 06:18:55 PM  

stoli n coke: FlyingBacon: Its a liberal island... run by liberals...

And a whole bunch of their residents/US citizens are now living in Florida and other states.
Have fun with that, Two Scoops.


Actually many are moving back. There aren't as many benefits on the mainland, there is still a language barrier, and people who owned property and had family here aren't interested in permanently relocating when fema is paying for the repairs.

/Of course Puerto Rico is 70 billion or so in the red, sinking at 2 billion per month.
/who knows how long it can stay like that. Probably not very long.
 
2018-08-09 06:19:11 PM  
My dad went there in 1981 to start up a plant for the company he worked for, GTE. I bet most of the infrastructure was the same as when he was there. The company wanted us to relocate there, then they wanted him to move us to trenton new jersey.  As a ten year old I wanted San Juan. We didn't move.
 
2018-08-09 06:19:29 PM  
If Puerto Rico hadn't buried a lot of the evidence trying to cover their asses, it would have been stronger leverage for them to use against the federal government to extract more aid.
 
2018-08-09 06:20:58 PM  

Ambitwistor: If Puerto Rico hadn't buried a lot of the evidence trying to cover their asses, it would have been stronger leverage for them to use against the federal government to extract more aid.


And by "burying the evidence" I mean, like, literally.
 
2018-08-09 06:21:23 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: gonegirl: Is that enough corpses for you, Geraldo, you worthless fark?

I think we should have a national Geraldo Appreciation Day, where we all show our appreciation for him by hitting him in the face with a chair.


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2018-08-09 06:22:16 PM  
This is far worse than Katrina.  With Katrina, at least the deaths were due to damage due to the actual storm.  With Maria, the deaths were due to an uncaring US government doing the bare minimum while fellow Americans died.

Texas and Florida, you are white and important, you get whatever aid the Federal government can give.  Puerto Rico, you are poor and brown, you get a roll of paper towels.
 
2018-08-09 06:26:03 PM  
The president of Puerto Rico isn't my president.
 
2018-08-09 06:33:46 PM  

jjorsett: The government acknowledged the higher death toll with no fanfare in a report submitted to Congress this week in which it detailed a $139 billion reconstruction plan for the island.

I hope that reconstruction starts with a purge of the corrupt assholes who were in charge of screwing up the infrastructure in the first place, otherwise you're just paying them to do it all over again.


Trump and the Republicans will still be there until at least November.
 
2018-08-09 06:46:01 PM  

jjorsett: The government acknowledged the higher death toll with no fanfare in a report submitted to Congress this week in which it detailed a $139 billion reconstruction plan for the island.

I hope that reconstruction starts with a purge of the corrupt assholes who were in charge of screwing up the infrastructure in the first place, otherwise you're just paying them to do it all over again.


You know nothing Jon Jorsett.
 
2018-08-09 06:49:33 PM  

SomeAmerican: This is far worse than Katrina.  With Katrina, at least the deaths were due to damage due to the actual storm.  With Maria, the deaths were due to an uncaring US government doing the bare minimum while fellow Americans died.

Texas and Florida, you are white and important, you get whatever aid the Federal government can give.  Puerto Rico, you are poor and brown, you get a roll of paper towels.


Oh look, it's yet another person who doesn't understand the difference between "driving prepositioned aid on mostly clear roads" and "shipping that same amount of aid across the water into an extremely congested port to be loaded onto trucks fighting still obstructed roads".  There are a mountain of differences between the situations, literally: Texas and Florida are at least flat.  Puerto Rico is farking mountainous.  The Federal government and FEMA were doing all they could; there is a physical limit to how much shiat you can force through, and you can not magic an entirely new power grid into being on a large mountainous island overnight.

The roll of paper towels thing is even dumber when you look at how much farking aid they've gotten and how much they're still getting.  Does "another hundred billion dollars" (on top of the billions already received) equal "paper towels" to you?

We don't need to conjure up falsehoods or be deliberately misleading to evoke an emotional response against Trump.  He's done beyond farking enough "legitimately" already.

/If you mention the Jones Act I swear to fark
//and since when are Texas and Florida *white*?
 
2018-08-09 06:53:00 PM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: Now who are Trump and Putin gonna have a threesome with?


Knowing Trump, either his own reflection, his own daughter, or a puddle of pee.
 
2018-08-09 06:56:41 PM  
I see the new tack now is to shift blame from the Trump administration to the Puerto Rican government, just ahead of midterms.

Fark that.
 
2018-08-09 06:58:18 PM  

SomeAmerican: This is far worse than Katrina.  With Katrina, at least the deaths were due to damage due to the actual storm.  With Maria, the deaths were due to an uncaring US government doing the bare minimum while fellow Americans died.


I have it on good authority that this was just a gentle spring rain compared to Katrina.

TRUMP: We've saved a lot of lives. If you look at the - every death is a horror. But if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous - hundred and hundred and hundreds of people that died. And you look at what happened here with really a storm that was totally overpowering. Nobody's ever seen anything like this. And what is your death count at this point, 17?

PUERTO RICO GOV. RICARDO ROSSELLÓ: Sixteen, certified.

TRUMP: Sixteen people, certified - 16 people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people.


How much do you want to bet he won't revisit this topic? Or if he does, it will be in the most assholish way possible.
 
2018-08-09 07:01:57 PM  

NEDM: SomeAmerican: This is far worse than Katrina.  With Katrina, at least the deaths were due to damage due to the actual storm.  With Maria, the deaths were due to an uncaring US government doing the bare minimum while fellow Americans died.

Texas and Florida, you are white and important, you get whatever aid the Federal government can give.  Puerto Rico, you are poor and brown, you get a roll of paper towels.

Oh look, it's yet another person who doesn't understand the difference between "driving prepositioned aid on mostly clear roads" and "shipping that same amount of aid across the water into an extremely congested port to be loaded onto trucks fighting still obstructed roads".  There are a mountain of differences between the situations, literally: Texas and Florida are at least flat.  Puerto Rico is farking mountainous.  The Federal government and FEMA were doing all they could; there is a physical limit to how much shiat you can force through, and you can not magic an entirely new power grid into being on a large mountainous island overnight.

The roll of paper towels thing is even dumber when you look at how much farking aid they've gotten and how much they're still getting.  Does "another hundred billion dollars" (on top of the billions already received) equal "paper towels" to you?

We don't need to conjure up falsehoods or be deliberately misleading to evoke an emotional response against Trump.  He's done beyond farking enough "legitimately" already.

/If you mention the Jones Act I swear to fark
//and since when are Texas and Florida *white*?


Have they finally gotten enough tarps there? It's been about a year.
 
2018-08-09 07:04:42 PM  

FormlessOne: I see the new tack now is to shift blame from the Trump administration to the Puerto Rican government, just ahead of midterms.

Fark that.


No, Puerto Rico's well-known corrupt government deserves its share of the blame too.  They're responsible for running their island, and they're ultimately responsible for "electrical grid maintenance" and "disaster preparedness" being rated low on the order of importance.  If it were Texas that had this particular failing, you'd be ripping them a new one for it.

In fact, I'm pretty sure Fark already has, in regards to building subdivisions in the storm reservoirs.  Is that Trump's ultimate fault too, or does Texas share some of the blame for allowing that to happen?

/spoiler alert:  it's their fault for signing off on it
 
2018-08-09 07:11:03 PM  

jjorsett: The government acknowledged the higher death toll with no fanfare in a report submitted to Congress this week in which it detailed a $139 billion reconstruction plan for the island.

I hope that reconstruction starts with a purge of the corrupt assholes who were in charge of screwing up the infrastructure in the first place, otherwise you're just paying them to do it all over again.


I did my part, I voted for Trump.
 
2018-08-09 07:15:11 PM  

hissatsu: TRUMP: Sixteen people, certified - 16 people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people.

How much do you want to bet he won't revisit this topic? Or if he does, it will be in the most assholish way possible.


TRUMP: So now we find out that more than 1400 people (and let me tell you they're so dishonest, these people) waited until now to tell us they were dead. 11 months they waited...right before the election, because you know it's Puerto Rico and theyre all Crooked Hillary supporters. So these 1400 people have the Fake News in their pockets, and now it's supposed to be like a high death count that is a big shock...and let me tell you it's so sad, really...but you know they were dead 11 months ago and now it supposed to be my fault? I had the biggest Electoral College victory since before the American Revolution and Puerto Rico didn't want that. You know these people didn't want Trump!!  Right?  So now they're all dead and they say I didn't do anything to help. They didn't vote for me (but it was actually very close...closer than any Republican since Ponce de Leon, in fact) but now they all want Trump! I hear they're asking me to make Puerto Rico great again. Well, we're gonna do that, and all the things, for all the people, and they'll be glad they have us, even though the lying Media won't admit it. But 1400, so sad, so tragic, it really is a shame. But they're already dead, but the Fake News will tell you they weren't dead already. They're too busy with the rigged Witch Hunt to tell you about all the people that DIDN'T die since the hurricane. So dishonest.
 
2018-08-09 07:19:12 PM  

hissatsu: SomeAmerican: This is far worse than Katrina.  With Katrina, at least the deaths were due to damage due to the actual storm.  With Maria, the deaths were due to an uncaring US government doing the bare minimum while fellow Americans died.

I have it on good authority that this was just a gentle spring rain compared to Katrina.

TRUMP: We've saved a lot of lives. If you look at the - every death is a horror. But if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous - hundred and hundred and hundreds of people that died. And you look at what happened here with really a storm that was totally overpowering. Nobody's ever seen anything like this. And what is your death count at this point, 17?

PUERTO RICO GOV. RICARDO ROSSELLÓ: Sixteen, certified.

TRUMP: Sixteen people, certified - 16 people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people.

How much do you want to bet he won't revisit this topic? Or if he does, it will be in the most assholish way possible.


1400+ official v. 16... no way in hell he revisits this at all. That's in the middle of the Katrina estimates, and it's still likely VERY low. There were numbers getting tossed around in the weeks after Maria in the 3400 kinda range and I bet that's way closer considering the third world level infrastructure imposed on the Territory.
 
2018-08-09 07:20:35 PM  
Or just more trouble for the people actually responsible.

Which would be the local government.

By the way the problems with Puerto Rico didn't magically start in January of 2017 as much as you'd like to think so but do in fact go back years and years before that.
 
2018-08-09 07:27:42 PM  

randomjsa: Or just more trouble for the people actually responsible.

Which would be the local government.

By the way the problems with Puerto Rico didn't magically start in January of 2017 as much as you'd like to think so but do in fact go back years and years before that.


We're not saying that Puerto Rico was well-managed before the hurricane.

We are saying the federal response to a deadly amd massively destructive hurricane on U.S. soil was horribly mismanaged and made matters even worse.

(And Trumpsketeers are just happy to have an inept local government to provide a convenient excuse that allows them to keep on stigginit to some brown Americans.)
 
2018-08-09 07:30:25 PM  
Just want to point out that this total isn't really news - Gov. Rossello conceded in December, 2017, that there were far more deaths than officially reported, but that they didn't have an accurate number. The partial records were released nearly two months ago, and the reason that you have those records is because of a lawsuit from CNN and Puerto Rico's Center for Investigative Journalism.

The primary reason for not updating the official death count appears to be that they don't have one yet. George Washington University hasn't yet completed the study commissioned by the Puerto Rican government. I don't see this as "Puerto Rican government corruption" or "a vast conspiracy to hide something from Puerto Rico's citizens" so much as "we were caught flat-footed and don't have a clue as to how many folks actually died due to Maria."
 
2018-08-09 07:34:50 PM  
I should say that I'm not somehow absolving Puerto Rico's abysmal handling & accountability, but this really does look like an attempt to shift the blame - just like FEMA did the responsibility, when they said that FEMA was there just playing "a supporting role", even though the island lost its entire power grid & communications network - to Puerto Rico. Why?

Money and politics (and, yes, I know that's largely redundant these days.)
 
2018-08-09 07:36:21 PM  

sno man: That's in the middle of the Katrina estimates, and it's still likely VERY low. There were numbers getting tossed around in the weeks after Maria in the 3400 kinda range and I bet that's way closer considering the third world level infrastructure imposed on the Territory.


Harvard's much-touted early study pushed around 4,600 as an expected total, but some folks have gone as high as 8,500 and as low as 800. The real problem is that no one knows.
 
2018-08-09 07:46:13 PM  

anustart: (And Trumpsketeers are just happy to have an inept local government to provide a convenient excuse that allows them to keep on stigginit to some brown Americans.)


"Stigginit" apparently means "driving dump truck after dump truck of money to Puerto Rico and dumping it on them" now.
 
2018-08-09 08:01:23 PM  

elffster: Oh come on, its not like it was American deaths

/somewhere, someone actually thinks that
//I dont think, so im safe
///i like chili


Not brown enough to just shoot.... Not white enough to give a damn about
 
Kiz
2018-08-09 08:40:24 PM  

NEDM: anustart: (And Trumpsketeers are just happy to have an inept local government to provide a convenient excuse that allows them to keep on stigginit to some brown Americans.)

"Stigginit" apparently means "driving dump truck after dump truck of money to Puerto Rico and dumping it on them" now.


That explains why the Puerto Ricans aren't seeing any of this supposed money.

Someone should point out to the Trump administration that you can't drive a dump truck to an island.
 
2018-08-09 08:45:05 PM  

Heamer: Over 1400 reported deaths. The actual count, sadly, is probably significantly higher.


======================================​=========

Not true actually.  They only have like 70 'official' reported deaths.  The 1400 numbers comes from looking back to the same time period for the last X number of years (I think it was 4 or 5) and averaging the number of deaths in Puerto Rico.  Then they looked at the number of deaths during that same time period after the hurricane.

1400 more people died than the average.

So that's the number they went with.

/It's not a correct number but it's a good estimate.
 
2018-08-09 09:25:43 PM  
So this is a fark-up the Trump humpers will still defend.
 
2018-08-09 09:32:53 PM  

Helen_Arigby: So this is a fark-up the Trump humpers will still defend.


They ALL are.
 
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