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2018-08-10 12:49:09 AM  
How come the other coach was fired recently?  He was fired for stuff that happened multiple times going back many years.  If Meyer had cause to fire him this year he had cause to fire him in 2015.  He didn't, because winning was more important.  Both Meyer and the AD should get canned.
 
2018-08-10 01:25:47 AM  
I guess "The Ringer"'s check cleared this month.

/ Your blog sucks
 
2018-08-10 02:29:54 AM  
I really can't stake a position on this yet, because so little is known publicly. The assistant coach appears to be a bad dude, but we don't know exactly how bad.

If you hate Ohio State or college football in general, your mind is made up. I get it. I'm sure your lives are better and easier. As a boring middle-manager at a Fortune 500 company, I know exactly what I would do if notified that my employee was being arrested for domestic violence: I'd call my HR rep and do exactly what they say and not a damned bit else. I won't go anywhere outside the lines they establish, and if I think they are wrong I'll communicate (in writing) why I recommend different actions. But, my company does not allow me to be the deciding vote on what actions are in the best interest of the entire organization. I'd be shocked to learn that Urban Meyer, if he did report his concerns or knowledge to the school, would be given full freedom to take whatever action he felt was best. Big organizations pay for lawyers and fancy HR people for good reason, and this is the type of situation they are expected to investigate and resolve. No one becomes a coach because they want to practice employment law throughout the day.

Now, if Urban did have information and failed to report it, then OSU has the standard that would demand his firing. They fire coaches for less, even good ones.
 
2018-08-10 03:54:43 AM  
roostercube: I'd call my HR rep and do exactly what they say and not a damned bit else. I won't go anywhere outside the lines they establish, and if I think they are wrong I'll communicate (in writing) why I recommend different actions

As a secretary/Administrative Assistant/whatever the hell the job is called these days, I totally agree with that. I've been in situations where it's clear that upper management and HR has to get involved and I follow the rules I was given to the letter. To cover my posterior, sure, but also so that down the line a "Hey! Henry Holland didn't date this form letter! We can't proceed!" situation doesn't happen.

As for Urban Meyer, I fully expect the cliched "I've retired so I can spend more time with my family" announcement soon.
 
2018-08-10 07:05:50 AM  
That Urban Meyer worships at the altar of a piece of garbage like Earle Bruce says more about him than his adherence, or lack thereof, to university policy.
 
2018-08-10 07:18:17 AM  
If you need Urban Meyer to tell you that college sports is a cesspool teeming with pimps and whores, devoid of ethics and morality, then you have paid attention to nothing for the past 50 years.
 
2018-08-10 07:27:25 AM  

roostercube: I really can't stake a position on this yet, because so little is known publicly. The assistant coach appears to be a bad dude, but we don't know exactly how bad.

If you hate Ohio State or college football in general, your mind is made up. I get it. I'm sure your lives are better and easier. As a boring middle-manager at a Fortune 500 company, I know exactly what I would do if notified that my employee was being arrested for domestic violence: I'd call my HR rep and do exactly what they say and not a damned bit else. I won't go anywhere outside the lines they establish, and if I think they are wrong I'll communicate (in writing) why I recommend different actions. But, my company does not allow me to be the deciding vote on what actions are in the best interest of the entire organization. I'd be shocked to learn that Urban Meyer, if he did report his concerns or knowledge to the school, would be given full freedom to take whatever action he felt was best. Big organizations pay for lawyers and fancy HR people for good reason, and this is the type of situation they are expected to investigate and resolve. No one becomes a coach because they want to practice employment law throughout the day.

Now, if Urban did have information and failed to report it, then OSU has the standard that would demand his firing. They fire coaches for less, even good ones.


I was under the impression that he did know. Plus his contract extension that he just signed requires him to report Title IX issues, of which this definitely is one.

/but he will probably retire
 
2018-08-10 07:37:04 AM  
 
2018-08-10 08:35:20 AM  
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2018-08-10 10:31:31 AM  
Henry Holland:As for Urban Meyer, I fully expect the cliched "I've retired so I can spend more time with my family" announcement soon.

Or he can just fake some health issues like he did at Florida.

/don't know if that's actually true
//but I regularly hear from my buddy the Gator fan that it totally is
 
2018-08-10 11:29:22 AM  

Henry Holland: As for Urban Meyer, I fully expect the cliched "I've retired so I can spend more time with my family" announcement soon.


His statement (I reported it to the AD) was clearly designed to avoid a firing with cause. He's more likely going to make them fire him so he gets paid than to "retire" (where he doesn't get paid).
 
2018-08-10 12:16:10 PM  
Meyer might not himself be a wife beater, murderer, or drug dealer, but he has surely surrounded himself with enough wife beaters, murderers, and drug dealers to raise some eyebrows.  You can't trust him.
 
2018-08-10 12:29:27 PM  

roostercube: I really can't stake a position on this yet, because so little is known publicly. The assistant coach appears to be a bad dude, but we don't know exactly how bad.

If you hate Ohio State or college football in general, your mind is made up. I get it. I'm sure your lives are better and easier. As a boring middle-manager at a Fortune 500 company, I know exactly what I would do if notified that my employee was being arrested for domestic violence: I'd call my HR rep and do exactly what they say and not a damned bit else. I won't go anywhere outside the lines they establish, and if I think they are wrong I'll communicate (in writing) why I recommend different actions. But, my company does not allow me to be the deciding vote on what actions are in the best interest of the entire organization. I'd be shocked to learn that Urban Meyer, if he did report his concerns or knowledge to the school, would be given full freedom to take whatever action he felt was best. Big organizations pay for lawyers and fancy HR people for good reason, and this is the type of situation they are expected to investigate and resolve. No one becomes a coach because they want to practice employment law throughout the day.

Now, if Urban did have information and failed to report it, then OSU has the standard that would demand his firing. They fire coaches for less, even good ones.


Urban Meyer is no middle manager.  He is a brand.  And yes, with his staff, he has a lot of freedom in how he deals with them.  That's the privilege of being a brand and not a middle manager.

His problem is that he hasn't clued into how times have changed and there is less tolerance for even suspicion much less this level of abusive behavior.  Urban has damaged his brand and now, he will be fired.  Final Score:  Different climate 10 - Urban Brand 0.
 
2018-08-10 12:48:52 PM  

Burr: Things are just going to get more complicated:
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/​courtney_smiths_mother_zach_sm.html


FTFA: In their interview with Snook, Bruce and Carano claim the domestic abuse allegations against Zach Smith are false, and that Courtney Smith vowed years ago to "take down" her ex-husband, and Meyer.

Her own mother and mother-in-law say that? I've got to say I never saw that one coming, this is getting seriously bizarre.

tnpir: That Urban Meyer worships at the altar of a piece of garbage like Earle Bruce says more about him than his adherence, or lack thereof, to university policy.


You're the first person I've ever seen say a bad word about Earle Bruce. From your profile there is a good chance you're a Colorado State fan so perhaps you're more familiar with information than I am but really, I've never seen anybody say something like that about the man. What specifically?

Super Chronic: Henry Holland:As for Urban Meyer, I fully expect the cliched "I've retired so I can spend more time with my family" announcement soon.

Or he can just fake some health issues like he did at Florida.

/don't know if that's actually true
//but I regularly hear from my buddy the Gator fan that it totally is


Your buddy is the type of person who'd yell "I didn't want you anyway" at Elle Macpherson after he got shot down in flames at a bar.
 
2018-08-10 02:01:51 PM  

mjbok: How come the other coach was fired recently?  He was fired for stuff that happened multiple times going back many years.  If Meyer had cause to fire him this year he had cause to fire him in 2015.  He didn't, because winning was more important.  Both Meyer and the AD should get canned.


Not even checking I will assume that a coach was fired because he lost games.  There is the outside chance that he was fired because he was caught, but that can be ignored if he wins enough.
 
2018-08-10 03:21:33 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: mjbok: How come the other coach was fired recently?  He was fired for stuff that happened multiple times going back many years.  If Meyer had cause to fire him this year he had cause to fire him in 2015.  He didn't, because winning was more important.  Both Meyer and the AD should get canned.

Not even checking I will assume that a coach was fired because he lost games.  There is the outside chance that he was fired because he was caught, but that can be ignored if he wins enough.


I'm assuming he is talking about Jim Tressle, the previous Bucknut coach. He was crooked as hell and resigned before the investigation went back further than the 2010 season. Sports Illustrated had reported just a few days before his resignation that the tats/cash for swag violations went back as far as 2002, Tressel's first season.

Ironically, he would likely have escaped the 2 game suspension Ohio State gave him for failure to report what he knew had he indeed said something. Gee, what coach would sit on something like that?
 
2018-08-10 04:59:10 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Not even checking I will assume that a coach was fired because he lost games. There is the outside chance that he was fired because he was caught, but that can be ignored if he wins enough.


No.  The coach that was just fired.  He was fired for something that happened in 2015...which they (Meyer and OSU) knew about.  Why was he fired now?
 
2018-08-10 09:47:11 PM  

Burr: Things are just going to get more complicated:
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/​courtney_smiths_mother_zach_sm.html


I'm not sure that if I was being abused that I wouldn't want to take down my abuser and the one person that enabled them a shiatload of power either. Hell, if I was divorcing that person, I'd probably even tell my mom that I'm taking that person down.

Why is this a surprise?  What does this muddy?
 
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