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2018-08-08 02:55:17 PM  
Excellent interview.
 
2018-08-08 09:56:55 PM  

BizarreMan: Excellent interview.


I didn't expect anything less.

Keep on living that life, George.
 
2018-08-08 10:37:05 PM  
This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.
 
2018-08-08 10:38:54 PM  
Whatever happened to the guy who accused him of sexual harassment or assault or whatever? We heard about it for like a week and then everybody ended up forgetting about it.
 
2018-08-08 10:42:54 PM  

Weatherkiss: Whatever happened to the guy who accused him of sexual harassment or assault or whatever? We heard about it for like a week and then everybody ended up forgetting about it.


I seem to recall he somewhat recanted, but I might be thinking of someone else.
 
2018-08-08 10:49:59 PM  

Weatherkiss: Whatever happened to the guy who accused him of sexual harassment or assault or whatever? We heard about it for like a week and then everybody ended up forgetting about it.


I think not long after that someone started up with historical sexual harassment claims about Nichelle and whoever made claims about George vanished into the shadows
 
2018-08-08 11:43:45 PM  

chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.


I have to ask: what is a "rapid anti cancer vegan"?
 
2018-08-08 11:48:24 PM  

chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.


But we all don't have that. Republicans have become more homogenous in accepting their worst and they're terrified to defy it. They don't castigate or excommunicate the worst of themselves, and so they either support it or are ignoring their own cancer.

Nice words to be said, but those are just words. And likeabke as Takei is, he's delusional to believe that there are good republicans when the whole hates him and does everything they can to undermine the ideas he holds. He is wrong here, and this MLK stance to accept that they want what is best is invalid.

I stand with those that identify that the Republican cancer is cancerous. And if they are unwilling to cut it out and remove it, they are complicit with it. Frankenstein is gone due to a shiatty joke/prank. Roy Moore got backing and support from his party. Name a Nazi, pedophile, rapist, or racist that Democrats close rank around. If you can't, it's due to the fact that Democrats are not a hive mind supporting a team. If you can, then present evidence of it. I will wait, but I don't expect to be proven wrong.

Please proceed.
 
2018-08-09 12:08:55 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.

I have to ask: what is a "rapid anti cancer vegan"?


I'm a vegetarian, and definitely anti-cancer, and ... well, I'm pretty fast. Definitely rapid for a dude in his 40s.

So I'm not as hard-core as the rapid anti-cancer vegans, but maybe I can give you a general idea:

Point 1: We're anti-cancer. This should be most people's starting point, really. fark cancer.

Point 2: we're fast as hell. Don't dismiss this; we are sneaky and will get past your defenses before you know it. Vegans and vegetarians tend to be "my body is a temple" -type exercise and meditation freaks. We're nimble and quick.

Point 3: we don't eat the meats. We all have varying reasons for this, and you might think "sweet! More meat for me!" But remember two things (always remember these two things): first, without heavy meat to slow us down, We are EVEN MORE RAPID!!; and second, vegetarians and vegans fart so much more than you normies that once you are behind us rapid folk you'll wish you were never born.

Seriously. Bring it on, meat-eaters. My ass is so much stinkier than yours.
 
2018-08-09 12:19:44 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.

I have to ask: what is a "rapid anti cancer vegan"?


My phone's auto.correct has gone crazy, sometimes changes words after I type them.

Rabid anti vaxxer vegan.
 
2018-08-09 01:21:40 AM  

SiriusClown: chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.

But we all don't have that. Republicans have become more homogenous in accepting their worst and they're terrified to defy it. They don't castigate or excommunicate the worst of themselves, and so they either support it or are ignoring their own cancer.

Nice words to be said, but those are just words. And likeabke as Takei is, he's delusional to believe that there are good republicans when the whole hates him and does everything they can to undermine the ideas he holds. He is wrong here, and this MLK stance to accept that they want what is best is invalid.

I stand with those that identify that the Republican cancer is cancerous. And if they are unwilling to cut it out and remove it, they are complicit with it. Frankenstein is gone due to a shiatty joke/prank. Roy Moore got backing and support from his party. Name a Nazi, pedophile, rapist, or racist that Democrats close rank around. If you can't, it's due to the fact that Democrats are not a hive mind supporting a team. If you can, then present evidence of it. I will wait, but I don't expect to be proven wrong.

Please proceed.


Maybe the issue is the difference between the replublicans party, which has rotted out, and people who may still identify as republicans, or just conservative (but the two party system in the US makes is synonymous).

I disagree with conservative ideology, replublicans or otherwise, but I don't think they are evil. Some are, Mitch McConnell is a bastard. Paul Ryan was a self serving bastard, and trump is a major narcissistic idiot.

But even if I disagree with their politics, I know some Canadian conservatives who are still quite good people. They are not all hate filled asshats.

As a party, I think replublicans are rotten to the core. Democrats aren't perfect either though. Party leadership are a bunch of asshats.

Asshats, wearing an ass as a hat.
 
2018-08-09 01:36:06 AM  

chawco: SiriusClown: chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.

But we all don't have that. Republicans have become more homogenous in accepting their worst and they're terrified to defy it. They don't castigate or excommunicate the worst of themselves, and so they either support it or are ignoring their own cancer.

Nice words to be said, but those are just words. And likeabke as Takei is, he's delusional to believe that there are good republicans when the whole hates him and does everything they can to undermine the ideas he holds. He is wrong here, and this MLK stance to accept that they want what is best is invalid.

I stand with those that identify that the Republican cancer is cancerous. And if they are unwilling to cut it out and remove it, they are complicit with it. Frankenstein is gone due to a shiatty joke/prank. Roy Moore got backing and support from his party. Name a Nazi, pedophile, rapist, or racist that Democrats close rank around. If you can't, it's due to the fact that Democrats are not a hive mind supporting a team. If you can, then present evidence of it. I will wait, but I don't expect to be proven wrong.

Please proceed.

Maybe the issue is the difference between the replublicans party, which has rotted out, and people who may still identify as republicans, or just conservative (but the two party system in the US makes is synonymous).

I disagree with conservative ideology, replublicans or otherwise, but I don't think they are evil. Some are, Mitch McConnell is a bastard. Paul Ryan was a self serving bastard, and trump is a major narcissistic idiot.

But even if I disagree with their politics, I know some Canadian conservatives who are still quite good people. They are not all hate filled asshats.

As a party, I think replublicans are rotten to the core. Democrats aren't perfect either though. Party leadership are a bunch of asshats.

Asshats, wearing an ass as a hat.


That itself may be true for Canadians. But we are Americans dealing with our Republicans party, which are evil personified.

Conservative or Republican itself is not the crime. American Republicans are evil because they have become homogenous conformed to evil because they identify as party. If they have problems with their party, then they have a couple options. Don't vote, but stay part of the house of rot. Or they could leave. If they don't leave, then they support the rot or embrace it. That makes them evil.

If they leave, then they should tactily endorse anything else that is no longer part of the rot. There are no other options. Being Tepublican to this point implicitly shows them as evil and wrong. Their party is corrupted.

At this point, if you are an American Republican, you support pedophiles and con artists, and in turn, you support the devastation of the country. You had an out. To support that part now means you own it and it owns you. Defect or forced be relegated to the rot and taint. There is no third option.
 
2018-08-09 02:16:19 AM  

SiriusClown: chawco: SiriusClown: chawco: This resonated as so etching that I'd like a lot of farkers to consider.

"We don't all have to be Democrats-I have great respect for a lot of Republicans. We might have nuanced differences, but we all believe in building a country, a nation, a government where we have the best in us become the leaders of our society, and contribute to making an equal and more just society."

In the era of trump a lot of farkers have gone extreme and declared anyone who is even a bit Republican as an enemy, an evil Nazi. It's not a helpful attitude. Some people are conservative without being the worst of the conservatives. If you can't find common ground with people you're going to rip your nation to prices.

Resist the ectremists. On both sides (who wanted rapid anti cancer vegans to be in charge?)... But if people can't work together we're all in big trouble.

But we all don't have that. Republicans have become more homogenous in accepting their worst and they're terrified to defy it. They don't castigate or excommunicate the worst of themselves, and so they either support it or are ignoring their own cancer.

Nice words to be said, but those are just words. And likeabke as Takei is, he's delusional to believe that there are good republicans when the whole hates him and does everything they can to undermine the ideas he holds. He is wrong here, and this MLK stance to accept that they want what is best is invalid.

I stand with those that identify that the Republican cancer is cancerous. And if they are unwilling to cut it out and remove it, they are complicit with it. Frankenstein is gone due to a shiatty joke/prank. Roy Moore got backing and support from his party. Name a Nazi, pedophile, rapist, or racist that Democrats close rank around. If you can't, it's due to the fact that Democrats are not a hive mind supporting a team. If you can, then present evidence of it. I will wait, but I don't expect to be proven wrong.

Please proceed.

Maybe the issue ...


I still stand by the claim that the main problem is bias and outright disinformation in major media outlets. A lot of the details of Trump's misdeeds that people assume to be common knowledge just...aren't. If all you watch is Fox News, you seriously see a differently reality.

And sure, it's easy to argue that people should be more discerning in their news sources, but come on: we as a nation have a pretty amazing track record for being intellectually lazy.

And then this reality disconnect builds until you reach the point that asking someone to re-evaluate it is akin to asking them to abandon a religion. They're faced with being outcasts of their current "tribe" on top of having to admit that they were completely duped regarding some pretty important shiat.
 
2018-08-09 02:27:28 AM  
AliceBToklasLives:
I have to ask: what is a "rapid anti cancer vegan"?

Lance Armstrong?
 
2018-08-09 06:07:08 AM  
I no longer vote Republican, but still consider myself to be conservative.  I was raised believing that to conserve meant to limit, while to be liberal was to lavish, sometimes to the point of over-reaching.  I want my government, especially the Federal level, to be small in focus; defending our nation from intruders in whatever form the intruders take; defending the rights of all individuals, even those that I don't agree with; helping to establish level fields of opportunity by encouraging people needing help to achieve, while restraining megalomania in businesses via anti-trust over-sight or in individuals by simple enforcement of anti-theft laws.  My bedroom antics, when consensual with all involved parties, are nobody else's business.  Same with my healthcare choices; my doctor and I are the best informed about my body, and as long as I'm footing the bill, either alone or through my insurance premiums, the government needs to butt the hell out.

However, I recognize there are times that individuals need more assistance in their lives than I currently do, and I recognize that there have been times that I have used more government resources, and will again in the future.  It's the ebb and flow of life, and reasonable people can see this.  Unfortunately, there are some people that decide if a person needs help once, they are always going to need help.  Currently. if you ask one of my kids, I'm the world's worst tyrant and hypocrite, forcing my will and decisions on him.  That's my job as parent.  Once he reaches a level of maturity, he gets his autonomy, but in his view, that should be right now, no matter his biological age at this moment.

The bottom line, for me, is the government that tries to run the lives of demonstrably sane and reasonable people is too large and needs restraining.  Vaccinations are good.  If a parent won't protect their child, intervene to protect the child, as the parent isn't being sane and reasonable.  If I need to visit a health facility to information or a procedure, and someone thinks they know better than me about handling my person, intervene to limit their actions, as they are not being sane.  Throwing parents in jail, putting kids in cages, closing up health clinics, stopping sex ed in schools, these are government over-reach.  Refusing to feed kids at school because the parents have cash flow problems is government over-reach, as is refusing to allow those same parents to send lunches from home, because they may not meet FDA guidelines.

tl;dr- government by the fringes is bad; let's all make nice
 
2018-08-09 06:29:58 AM  

olrasputin: If all you watch is Fox News, you seriously see a differently reality.

That's being complicit.  If you reject the truth when Nazis are literally marching in the streets, you're as bad as anyone the last time around that rejected the truth when Nazis were literally marching in the streets.
"I didn't know" may have worked as an excuse 80 years ago, but it simply does not fly in the era of the Internet.
 
2018-08-09 08:08:34 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Weatherkiss: Whatever happened to the guy who accused him of sexual harassment or assault or whatever? We heard about it for like a week and then everybody ended up forgetting about it.

I seem to recall he somewhat recanted, but I might be thinking of someone else.


He didn't really recant. When a doctor came up with a theory the guy agreed and said "Ok, I probably wasn't drugged.  I probably just drank too much and passed out."

George is still a rapist in my book.  Somebody in your apartment drinks until they pass out. You then proceed to take off their pants and are trying to pull down their underwear when they wake up and tell you no. That's attempted rape.  If you argue he should be forgiven because that kind of behavior was considered normal in gay culture (which is exactly the argument Farkers have made) at the time then you should champion anybody who is guilty of rape so long as it's common behavior in their group.
 
2018-08-09 02:15:45 PM  
Huh?  He went on Howard Stern and openly admitted that he conducted himself along the lines of what ruined Kevin Spacey's career.
 
2018-08-09 03:56:06 PM  

T.rex: Huh?  He went on Howard Stern and openly admitted that he conducted himself along the lines of what ruined Kevin Spacey's career.


That was Sour Shoes.
 
2018-08-10 02:13:28 AM  

Noah_Tall: He didn't really recant. When a doctor came up with a theory the guy agreed and said "Ok, I probably wasn't drugged.  I probably just drank too much and passed out."

George is still a rapist in my book.  Somebody in your apartment drinks until they pass out. You then proceed to take off their pants and are trying to pull down their underwear when they wake up and tell you no. That's attempted rape.  If you argue he should be forgiven because that kind of behavior was considered normal in gay culture (which is exactly the argument Farkers have made) at the time then you should champion anybody who is guilty of rape so long as it's common behavior in their group.


FTFA: "In late May, the Observer of all places, a paper formerly owned by Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, published an in-depth investigation into the sexual-assault allegation against Takei, with his accuser not only admitting to fudging several details, but ultimately walking back the drugging and assault claims. Takei shared the piece with his 2.8 million Twitter followers, along with a generous statement that he doesn't bear his accuser "any ill will, and I wish him peace.""

From the In-depth investigation:
"I asked him to clarify the issue. "Did he touch your genitals?"
"You know...probably..." Brunton replied after some hesitation. "He was clearly on his way to...to...to going somewhere."
We shared a pause.
"So...you don't remember him touching your genitals?"
Brunton confessed that he did not remember any touching."

And:
""There's nothing to prosecute here," [Rodriguez] explained, after asking detailed questions about the night's alleged happenings. "People get drunk on dates and take off each other's pants all the time," he said. How this happens and what happens next is key from a legal standpoint, he explained. The crucial detail in the context of a consensual date with two adults who are drinking, he said, is that when the man who made the advance was denied consent, he backed off. "Making a move itself is not a crime," Rodriguez said."

And:
"For decades, he explained, his night with Takei had been a funny tale, "a great party story," as he put it.
"I rarely thought of it," he said. "Just occasionally, if his name popped up," or if a Star Trek reference came up with friends. "I'd say, 'Oh, well, I've got a story for you!' " he recalled, laughing. "They go, 'Really? What?' I'd tell people, and they'd go, 'Ew!' " "

And:
"He explained, "He was 20 years older than me and short. And I wasn't attracted to Asian men." He added, "I was a hot, surfer, California boy type, that he probably could have only gotten had he bought, paid for or found someone just willing to ride on his coattails of fame.""

Brunton got drunk, he probably had postural hypotension, and while he was recovering, Takei made aggressive pass - one that was not uncommon in the gay community at that time - and when he was turned down, he backed off. Brunton told the story as a "an icky guy I didn't find attractive once asked me for sex, isn't that gross?" for years, then when Takei criticized Kevin Spacey, Brunton decided he was offended and accused him of the same kind of crime.

Predators have behavior patterns. Nearly all the #metoo allegations of celebrities are followed by other credible accusations. Not another single soul has accused Takei sexual harassment or assault. Brunton is an unreliable witness who recanted most of the details of his allegations when questioned. There is no reason to believe that George Takei is a rapist.
 
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