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2018-07-20 05:41:44 AM  
Need to fix self driving mode.
 
2018-07-20 07:24:51 AM  
I still can't see the name Elon without thinking of the band ELO.
 
2018-07-20 09:00:34 AM  
MUH INVERSTMENTS

/Christ, who tf cares
 
2018-07-20 09:09:17 AM  
We have reached Peak Musk.
 
2018-07-20 09:10:20 AM  

kdawg7736: I still can't see the name Elon without thinking of the band ELO.

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2018-07-20 09:28:38 AM  

kdawg7736: I still can't see the name Elon without thinking of the band ELO.


And I can't see ELO without immediately correcting it to ELP.
 
2018-07-20 09:33:39 AM  
Keep going!  We're almost there!


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2018-07-20 09:38:49 AM  
Lunch time at the Tesla factory...
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2018-07-20 09:48:37 AM  

basicstock: Lunch time at the Tesla factory...
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What is with the feet of the girl on the right?  They are super wide, like HHH wIde, she looks like a hairless hobbit
 
2018-07-20 09:51:34 AM  
It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
There are whole industries that have been trying to smother Musk and Tesla since day one and do nothing but publish and amplify (to the point of absurdity) any slight misstep the company makes (e.g., Seeking Alpha). And he is absolutely right about the short sellers and their de facto leader. They will say and do anything to try to tank Tesla, just so they can add another 0.3% to their portfolios.
As to the bigger media outlets, while there is still some good print journalism, there is more that is dishonest, disingenuous and/or unabashedly biased. This is also true for 99% of broadcast journalism. Some, like Fox and Sinclair stations, outright lie. Others, like CNN, can't get their heads out of their own @sses long enough to see how shallow and flaccid they've become - the tail has been wagging that dog for a long time now.

IMO, the pedo remark was a reply-in-kind. It was as nasty as the remark that prompted it. That doesn't make it right, but I don't get why Elon's feet are held to the fire but nothing is said about the a-hole who kicked the whole thing off. Yeah, you can be a diver who rescues people and still be a complete farkwad.

I appreciate Elon (and others like him) who actually have their eyes and goals set on creating a better future, and ACT on those aspirations rather than just debate them ad nauseam. I consider them the antidote to trump and his ilk, who only want to plunge us into a dark, dystopian and dictatorial nightmare.
 
2018-07-20 09:55:17 AM  

HakunaMatata: IMO, the pedo remark was a reply-in-kind. It was as nasty as the remark that prompted it.


Ridiculous false equivalence: publicity stunts don't get people thrown in prison for decades.  Pedophilia does.  That false and entirely fabricated accusation is pretty much the definition of libel.

FWIW I'm not some Musk hater; I was shocked that he did that and I think he's doing some really cool, boundary-pressing things with his companies.
 
2018-07-20 10:01:11 AM  
The pedo comment is going to cost him several million dollars at least, which is easy for him. But it's cost a huge amount of reputation. The crap about donating to Republicans is just clownshoes. What the hell.

Just self-inflicted stupidity. Another blowhard, out of touch, asshole billionaire.
 
2018-07-20 10:12:59 AM  

factoryconnection: HakunaMatata: IMO, the pedo remark was a reply-in-kind. It was as nasty as the remark that prompted it.

Ridiculous false equivalence: publicity stunts don't get people thrown in prison for decades.  Pedophilia does.  That false and entirely fabricated accusation is pretty much the definition of libel.

FWIW I'm not some Musk hater; I was shocked that he did that and I think he's doing some really cool, boundary-pressing things with his companies.


I think musk has done some great things with his companies just through being willing to be everything and force of will. And this has been great for "startup" mode. However I wish he would stop sleeping on the assembly lines and steal some talent from Toyota to get the assembly line in shape. They are figuring it out, but it would have been cheaper to poach talent than burn yourself over and over again. That being said, I think he isnt wrong with his "Juggernaut" assembly line idea. I just think they should have started with something that worked and made it better as they went. As for him as CEO, its a tough question. I think there are advantages of a true CEO filling in now that they are no longer a "startup" but I question if he is the "steve jobs" to tesla right now. If he were to step down tomorrow would the DNA of trying to distrupt things and do the unthinkable still exist, or would they becomes another Ford churning out cookie cutter EVs? Look at the roadster 2.0. I think anyone who enjoys cars will agree when these start shipping the automotive world is going to be improved by the mark it leaves. Would Tesla have this in their DNA as a company to do this without Musk? I dont know.

As for his comments, he clearly has some personal issues. There is no question that he had a less than stable upbrining and was teased and such growing up and doesnt have the best developed social skills. This doesnt excuse his actions or comments but I can understand where the reaction came from. It sounded like he was legit trying to help, and it sounds like the rescue camp was divided on its functionality but agreed largely its better to have a Plan B, Plan C and Plan D incase and having more tools at their disposable was better than not. I suspect this was likely personal to him as his first son died at a young age. And then after spending his time, energy and resources to do anything he was able to at the time to help he received a lot of negative reaction, including from this diver that he was trying to help. That being said, he really needs to find someone to work with him on these issues and I hope he learns a lesson from this and moderates his impulsiveness going forward.
 
2018-07-20 10:15:24 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The pedo comment is going to cost him several million dollars at least, which is easy for him. But it's cost a huge amount of reputation. The crap about donating to Republicans is just clownshoes. What the hell.

Just self-inflicted stupidity. Another blowhard, out of touch, asshole billionaire.


he is a billionaire that shoots rockets into space.
 
2018-07-20 10:17:40 AM  

factoryconnection: HakunaMatata: IMO, the pedo remark was a reply-in-kind. It was as nasty as the remark that prompted it.

Ridiculous false equivalence: publicity stunts don't get people thrown in prison for decades.  Pedophilia does.  That false and entirely fabricated accusation is pretty much the definition of libel.

FWIW I'm not some Musk hater; I was shocked that he did that and I think he's doing some really cool, boundary-pressing things with his companies.


And he thinks that saying "shove [blank] up your ass" literally is a request for a "sexual act." Or he's being disingenuous to dig himself out of a hole.

I wonder which one it is.
 
2018-07-20 10:18:12 AM  

HakunaMatata: As to the bigger media outlets, while there is still some good print journalism, there is more that is dishonest, disingenuous and/or unabashedly biased.


Stopped reading there.

That's bullshiat.
 
2018-07-20 10:20:29 AM  

Loki009: I think musk has done some great things with his companies just through being willing to be everything and force of will. And this has been great for "startup" mode. However I wish he would stop sleeping on the assembly lines and steal some talent from Toyota to get the assembly line in shape.


As an industrial/manufacturing engineer, the difference between entrepreneur and established-system CEO seems like one of the wider gaps in the business world.  Good entrepreneurs are restless; good leadership of large, physical manufacturing systems are steady and sweat the small stuff.  You're right: there are solutions to Tesla's problems that others have had to solve in the past, at NUMI no less!
 
2018-07-20 10:21:18 AM  

MelGoesOnTour: HakunaMatata: As to the bigger media outlets, while there is still some good print journalism, there is more that is dishonest, disingenuous and/or unabashedly biased.

Stopped reading there.

That's bullshiat.


It does seem like a comment of someone who has "some worries," doesn't it?
 
2018-07-20 10:37:55 AM  

factoryconnection: Loki009: I think musk has done some great things with his companies just through being willing to be everything and force of will. And this has been great for "startup" mode. However I wish he would stop sleeping on the assembly lines and steal some talent from Toyota to get the assembly line in shape.

As an industrial/manufacturing engineer, the difference between entrepreneur and established-system CEO seems like one of the wider gaps in the business world.  Good entrepreneurs are restless; good leadership of large, physical manufacturing systems are steady and sweat the small stuff.  You're right: there are solutions to Tesla's problems that others have had to solve in the past, at NUMI no less!


This is why I think Elon needs to find a strong COO who can push back on him and take over this kind of stuff while letting him do things like the roadster and energy projects he seems to have the drive for.
 
2018-07-20 10:42:28 AM  
We want Tony Stark but he's not real so we're stuck with this guy
 
2018-07-20 10:43:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: We have reached Peak Musk.


Nah, that's just Northern New Jersey.
 
2018-07-20 10:49:01 AM  

oldfool: We want Tony Stark but he's not real so we're stuck with this guy


Tony Stark is an ahole.  He sold napalm and others armaments to the military used to kill  civilians during the Vietnam War.  He is the embodiment of the military industrial complex.
 
2018-07-20 10:51:28 AM  

HakunaMatata: And he is absolutely right about the short sellers and their de facto leader. They will say and do anything to try to tank Tesla, just so they can add another 0.3% to their portfolios.


Pretty sure short-sellers do that to everybody, not just Musk...

and, I hadn't heard the full exchange, what was the remark Musk was replying to?  Because "he's a pedo" is pretty much "get out your checkbook" per se slander....

If it was something like "his idea was stupid and had no chance of saving the kids", that's not in the same ballpark, legally speaking.
 
2018-07-20 10:57:34 AM  

PunGent: HakunaMatata: And he is absolutely right about the short sellers and their de facto leader. They will say and do anything to try to tank Tesla, just so they can add another 0.3% to their portfolios.

Pretty sure short-sellers do that to everybody, not just Musk...

and, I hadn't heard the full exchange, what was the remark Musk was replying to?  Because "he's a pedo" is pretty much "get out your checkbook" per se slander....

If it was something like "his idea was stupid and had no chance of saving the kids", that's not in the same ballpark, legally speaking.


The guy told him to shove his mini-sub up his ass, and musk replied basically calling this guy a pedo and said he would bet a signed dollar it was true (referencing him as a British ex-pat now living full time in Thailand) . So I would say its more bluster than per se slander.
 
2018-07-20 10:57:36 AM  

HempHead: oldfool: We want Tony Stark but he's not real so we're stuck with this guy

Tony Stark is an ahole.  He sold napalm and others armaments to the military used to kill  civilians during the Vietnam War.  He is the embodiment of the military industrial complex.


That is a very limited point of view. Almost as if you are perceiving it from a small opening. A keyhole maybe, no that's not it hmmm
 
2018-07-20 11:02:28 AM  

oldfool: HempHead: oldfool: We want Tony Stark but he's not real so we're stuck with this guy

Tony Stark is an ahole.  He sold napalm and others armaments to the military used to kill  civilians during the Vietnam War.  He is the embodiment of the military industrial complex.

That is a very limited point of view. Almost as if you are perceiving it from a small opening. A keyhole maybe, no that's not it hmmm


Stan Lee originally created Tony Stark to be a very terrible person.

I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military. So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist.
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/little-k​n​own-sci-fi-fact-stan-lee-thought-marve​l's-readers-would-hate-iron-man-first
 
2018-07-20 11:15:30 AM  
This is a surprise?  Everybody knows he's going to go full-on hank Scorpio some day, he's just a few steps closer.

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2018-07-20 11:18:37 AM  

HempHead: Tony Stark is an ahole.  He sold napalm and others armaments to the military used to kill  civilians during the Vietnam War.


Within the MCU, Tony Stark was 4 years old when Vietnam ended.

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He's younger than the Johnson the left.
 
2018-07-20 11:21:41 AM  

basicstock: Lunch time at the Tesla factory...
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He looks delicious
 
2018-07-20 11:21:57 AM  

HempHead: oldfool: HempHead: oldfool: We want Tony Stark but he's not real so we're stuck with this guy

Tony Stark is an ahole.  He sold napalm and others armaments to the military used to kill  civilians during the Vietnam War.  He is the embodiment of the military industrial complex.

That is a very limited point of view. Almost as if you are perceiving it from a small opening. A keyhole maybe, no that's not it hmmm

Stan Lee originally created Tony Stark to be a very terrible person.

I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military. So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist.
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/little-kn​own-sci-fi-fact-stan-lee-thought-marve​l's-readers-would-hate-iron-man-first


Yay we are getting Tony Stark after all. I should have known we Americans aren't willing to settle for the lesser evil.
 
2018-07-20 12:15:23 PM  
"The holier-than-thou hypocrisy of big media companies who lay claim to the truth, but publish only enough to sugarcoat the lie, is why the public no longer respects them," he continued.

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2018-07-20 12:25:12 PM  

HempHead: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The pedo comment is going to cost him several million dollars at least, which is easy for him. But it's cost a huge amount of reputation. The crap about donating to Republicans is just clownshoes. What the hell.

Just self-inflicted stupidity. Another blowhard, out of touch, asshole billionaire.

he is a billionaire that shoots rockets into space.


He is a billionaire that pays people to shoot rockets into space.
 
2018-07-20 12:26:20 PM  

Loki009: PunGent: HakunaMatata: And he is absolutely right about the short sellers and their de facto leader. They will say and do anything to try to tank Tesla, just so they can add another 0.3% to their portfolios.

Pretty sure short-sellers do that to everybody, not just Musk...

and, I hadn't heard the full exchange, what was the remark Musk was replying to?  Because "he's a pedo" is pretty much "get out your checkbook" per se slander....

If it was something like "his idea was stupid and had no chance of saving the kids", that's not in the same ballpark, legally speaking.

The guy told him to shove his mini-sub up his ass, and musk replied basically calling this guy a pedo and said he would bet a signed dollar it was true (referencing him as a British ex-pat now living full time in Thailand) . So I would say its more bluster than per se slander.


Does 'bluster' have a legal definition? If it affects this guy's reputation and livelihood, Musk will be paying him a lot of money.
 
2018-07-20 12:36:13 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Does 'bluster' have a legal definition? If it affects this guy's reputation and livelihood, Musk will be paying him a lot of money.


Unprovoked and with no basis, Musk confidently accused this guy of being a horrible criminal and broadcast it directly to something like 14 million readers.
 
2018-07-20 12:40:02 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Loki009: PunGent: HakunaMatata: And he is absolutely right about the short sellers and their de facto leader. They will say and do anything to try to tank Tesla, just so they can add another 0.3% to their portfolios.

Pretty sure short-sellers do that to everybody, not just Musk...

and, I hadn't heard the full exchange, what was the remark Musk was replying to?  Because "he's a pedo" is pretty much "get out your checkbook" per se slander....

If it was something like "his idea was stupid and had no chance of saving the kids", that's not in the same ballpark, legally speaking.

The guy told him to shove his mini-sub up his ass, and musk replied basically calling this guy a pedo and said he would bet a signed dollar it was true (referencing him as a British ex-pat now living full time in Thailand) . So I would say its more bluster than per se slander.

Does 'bluster' have a legal definition? If it affects this guy's reputation and livelihood, Musk will be paying him a lot of money.


Nope. Defemation actually has a high bar in the US and there is a law that prohibits enforcement of foreign judgements as going against us free speech principles. A statement of opinion rather than fact is often an affirmative defense and can be grounds for pre-trial dismissal. By stating that he'd bet a signed dollar that the diver is a pedo that goes a long way in showing it's a statement of opinion and not fact
 
2018-07-20 12:42:42 PM  

johnny_vegas: basicstock: Lunch time at the Tesla factory...
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What is with the feet of the girl on the right?  They are super wide, like HHH wIde, she looks like a hairless hobbit


You ask many questions....why?
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2018-07-20 01:31:42 PM  
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste:
Does 'bluster' have a legal definition? If it affects this guy's reputation and livelihood, Musk will be paying him a lot of money.

I think that's when the fart sounds come from your butt cheeks flapping together rather than the fricative of the anus alone.
 
2018-07-20 01:41:05 PM  
To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.
 
2018-07-20 01:59:48 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.


You do understand that 90% of driving is mainly local? Like, you're saying it's impractical because it doesn't handle the edge case of people who want to go on 300 mile road trips while it is insanely practical for what most people actually use...

And if you are going on a road trip, you use a supercharging station and have lunch.
 
2018-07-20 02:10:03 PM  

Telos: MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.

You do understand that 90% of driving is mainly local? Like, you're saying it's impractical because it doesn't handle the edge case of people who want to go on 300 mile road trips while it is insanely practical for what most people actually use...

And if you are going on a road trip, you use a supercharging station and have lunch.


.... or rent a car. Pro-tip: get the insurance. Beat the hell out of that thing.

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2018-07-20 02:18:44 PM  

Telos: MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.

You do understand that 90% of driving is mainly local? Like, you're saying it's impractical because it doesn't handle the edge case of people who want to go on 300 mile road trips while it is insanely practical for what most people actually use...

And if you are going on a road trip, you use a supercharging station and have lunch.


That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard (but, to be fair, it sounds like you might be the type who doesn't get out much). That 90% of driving is local has no bearing on anything. The point is that with those cars you pretty much lose the option to do certain things like, for instance, traveling to areas that do not have superchargers. Either that or the trip has to be based upon the location of regular chargers which, given the time they take to charge, then lengthen the duration of the trip significantly.

You would have been better off just saying something like "Well, people who can afford a Tesla can also afford non-electric cars for those kinds of trips" and left it at that.
 
2018-07-20 02:37:32 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Telos: MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.

You do understand that 90% of driving is mainly local? Like, you're saying it's impractical because it doesn't handle the edge case of people who want to go on 300 mile road trips while it is insanely practical for what most people actually use...

And if you are going on a road trip, you use a supercharging station and have lunch.

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard (but, to be fair, it sounds like you might be the type who doesn't get out much).


Oh just shut up. I think elon musk is a thin-skinned, overbearing buffoon with delusions of grandeur and I don't have an electric car but I haven't driven over 300 miles in a day more than a dozen times the last decade.

That 90% of driving is local has no bearing on anything.

That number is actually low and there's tons of data to support it.

The point is that with those cars you pretty much lose the option to do certain things like, for instance, traveling to areas that do not have superchargers.

And with sedans you can't pick up a load of gravel and single cab pickups can't take five people to a swine auction. There are a fark ton of charging stations on the most traveled routes in the US. For when there isn't, you'll have to find another option. Just like the car people with no truck and the truck people with no car. Life is full of choices yet our species endures.

You would have been better off just saying something like "Well, people who can afford a Tesla can also afford non-electric cars for those kinds of trips" and left it at that.

You'd have been better off not posting. Electric cars (and places to charge them) will explode over the next five years whether you like it or not.
 
2018-07-20 02:45:05 PM  

Loki009: As for his comments, he clearly has some personal issues. There is no question that he had a less than stable upbrining and was teased and such growing up and doesnt have the best developed social skills. ... I suspect this was likely personal to him as his first son died at a young age. And then after spending his time, energy and resources to do anything he was able to at the time to help he received a lot of negative reaction, including from this diver that he was trying to help. That being said, he really needs to find someone to work with him on these issues and I hope he learns a lesson from this and moderates his impulsiveness going forward.


Oh for fark's sake fark this. He's a farking 47 year old billionaire! He doesn't need to be coddled like an angsty white male teenager.
If he can't be a decent human being he should delete his account and stop being an ass on Twitter.

If this behavior was coming from anyone else they would be excoriated. But this guy is totally going to "get us to Mars." Yeah right.
 
2018-07-20 02:48:05 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.


Despite your insistence that you drive 400 miles at a time each day, the average American drives 13,500 miles a year, or 37 miles a day.

Range anxiety doesn't comport with the data. At worse your once a year road trip may require a 30 to 75 minute stop to recharge the car, but if you were driving 400 miles in a single day (6 to 7 hours), wouldn't you break it up with a 1 hour rest in the middle?

And, EV makes the most sense for people who live in urban areas where they're likely to drive even fewer miles, but waste lots of gas idling in traffic - EV uses very little energy when the car is not moving.
 
2018-07-20 02:48:29 PM  

JohnBigBootay: but I haven't driven over 300 miles in a day more than a dozen times the last decade.


The fact that you can't afford or don't have the option to take long trips has nothing to do with anything. The fact remains that the option of long-distance driving over a short period of time is no longer available with those types are vehicles.

And you're not fooling anyone; you won't be buying a Tesla (or any other new electric vehicle) anytime soon anyhow.
 
2018-07-20 02:52:20 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: The fact that you can't afford or don't have the option to take long trips has nothing to do with anything.


I take probably a dozen a year. Look up jackass - I'm in the plane.
 
2018-07-20 02:55:17 PM  

thornhill: MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.

Despite your insistence that you drive 400 miles at a time each day, the average American drives 13,500 miles a year, or 37 miles a day.

Range anxiety doesn't comport with the data. At worse your once a year road trip may require a 30 to 75 minute stop to recharge the car, but if you were driving 400 miles in a single day (6 to 7 hours), wouldn't you break it up with a 1 hour rest in the middle?

And, EV makes the most sense for people who live in urban areas where they're likely to drive even fewer miles, but waste lots of gas idling in traffic - EV uses very little energy when the car is not moving.


You know that I never said I drove 400 miles per day. But when I go to the mountains from where I live I can cover that 550 miles in about 7-8 hours only filling up for gas one time mid-trip (my car gets about 40mpg). There several charging stations en route (I checked) but few to none closer to the destination. It seems to me that folks who cream over Teslas are not saying "this car isn't for everything"; rather, they don't acknowledge the limitations (and likely aren't the type to enjoy long, scenic car rides anyhow).
 
2018-07-20 03:03:59 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Telos: MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.

You do understand that 90% of driving is mainly local? Like, you're saying it's impractical because it doesn't handle the edge case of people who want to go on 300 mile road trips while it is insanely practical for what most people actually use...

And if you are going on a road trip, you use a supercharging station and have lunch.

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard (but, to be fair, it sounds like you might be the type who doesn't get out much). That 90% of driving is local has no bearing on anything. The point is that with those cars you pretty much lose the option to do certain things like, for instance, traveling to areas that do not have superchargers. Either that or the trip has to be based upon the location of regular chargers which, given the time they take to charge, then lengthen the duration of the trip significantly.

You would have been better off just saying something like "Well, people who can afford a Tesla can also afford non-electric cars for those kinds of trips" and left it at that.


Except no, you're acting like a minority of drivers should be the measure of what is practical. I don't know anyone who goes on long road trips like that. The people I know that travel extensively fly, and when they do drive it's to places well within that 300 mile range.

It's not even just that you're talking about people that take 300+ mile road trips... it's 300+ mile road trips specifically to places with no supercharging stations. Which, looking at the coverage map basically means North Dakota.

So yes, it's not practical if you're a North Dakotan who likes to take 300+ mile long road trips.

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2018-07-20 03:12:46 PM  

Telos: MelGoesOnTour: Telos: MelGoesOnTour: To be honest, I *still* don't see what the appeal of a Tesla is (and I'm not a hater, either). The range is awful, somewhere in the 250 miles area, but even at 300 miles it's not great. There are not tons of charging stations located all over the place and in some areas there are none (which would limit your destinations). Charging time for a full-charge is about 10 hours; so much for a long road trip in just a couple of days. So, unless the car is intended mainly for local use only, Telsa's really seem to be the most impractical car ever.

You do understand that 90% of driving is mainly local? Like, you're saying it's impractical because it doesn't handle the edge case of people who want to go on 300 mile road trips while it is insanely practical for what most people actually use...

And if you are going on a road trip, you use a supercharging station and have lunch.

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard (but, to be fair, it sounds like you might be the type who doesn't get out much). That 90% of driving is local has no bearing on anything. The point is that with those cars you pretty much lose the option to do certain things like, for instance, traveling to areas that do not have superchargers. Either that or the trip has to be based upon the location of regular chargers which, given the time they take to charge, then lengthen the duration of the trip significantly.

You would have been better off just saying something like "Well, people who can afford a Tesla can also afford non-electric cars for those kinds of trips" and left it at that.

Except no, you're acting like a minority of drivers should be the measure of what is practical. I don't know anyone who goes on long road trips like that. The people I know that travel extensively fly, and when they do drive it's to places well within that 300 mile range.

It's not even just that you're talking about people that take 300+ mile road trips... it's 300+ mile road tr ...


I'm done arguing with fanboys. But, you're right, Teslas are flying off the shelves and everyone has two in their garage because they are so great and no one ever drives more than 37 miles per day and never will.
 
2018-07-20 03:19:32 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: I'm done arguing with fanboys. But, you're right, Teslas are flying off the shelves and everyone has two in their garage because they are so great and no one ever drives more than 37 miles per day and never will.


Yeah. They are. Tesla can't keep up with production. But you're right, it's a totally impractical car because people in North Dakota won't be able to go on 300 mile road trips.
 
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