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2018-07-18 09:58:49 PM  
Clearly they didn't install enough pennies.
 
2018-07-18 11:45:54 PM  
For the low price of $279 you can buy a silicone cooling sleeve which will hold a block of dry ice against the bottom of your laptop, enabling it to run unthrottled for up to 30 minutes at a time. Apple-certified dry ice refills are available on a subscription basis starting from $20/month.
 
2018-07-19 01:31:05 AM  
What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.
 
2018-07-19 01:36:40 AM  

WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.


Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.
 
2018-07-19 01:37:35 AM  

Ivo Shandor: For the low price of $279 you can buy a silicone cooling sleeve which will hold a block of dry ice against the bottom of your laptop, enabling it to run unthrottled for up to 30 minutes at a time. Apple-certified dry ice refills are available on a subscription basis starting from $20/month.


That walled garden does get old.
 
kab
2018-07-19 01:44:33 AM  

Ivo Shandor: For the low price of $279 you can buy a silicone cooling sleeve which will hold a block of dry ice against the bottom of your laptop, enabling it to run unthrottled for up to 30 minutes at a time. Apple-certified dry ice refills are available on a subscription basis starting from $20/month.


iIce?
 
2018-07-19 01:48:51 AM  

Linux_Yes: WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.

Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.


Much as I like Linux, IT DOESN'T RUN PREMIERE PRO - which is what was being benchmarked in TFA, and the audience this laptop is aimed at.

And I've tried just about every FOSS video editor. *Nothing* comes up to scratch. The day Adobe publish Creative Suite for Debian is the day I finally stop using it on Windows.
 
2018-07-19 01:49:22 AM  

Linux_Yes: WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.

Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.


Linux is only free if your time has no value.
 
2018-07-19 02:12:25 AM  
One data point.

Let's see some real-world benchmarks from more than one person with a Youtube channel to push before we get all upset now, eh?
 
2018-07-19 02:58:56 AM  

gingerjet: Linux is only free if your time has no value.


My brother got a new Chromebook, so he gave me his old one.  I love it.  It's not a replacement for my Windows 10 i7 laptop, but it fits a nice niche of something that's super portable and runs enough to be useful.  It's a nice thing to have in between a full powered laptop and a phone.

Worst case I can use it to remote access my laptop, one of my work desktops, etc.  But for 70% of what I use a computer for it's great.

You're partially right, but since Chromebooks are built on Linux it's not always a time waster.
 
2018-07-19 04:29:00 AM  

Linux_Yes: WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.

Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.


^^^^^^^^^^
Installed debian on a shiatty old netbook today to give to a friend. Can actually do things on it now instead of feeling the need to get up and make a sandwich between clicks and actions.
 
2018-07-19 04:43:22 AM  
I've got a loaded macbook from I think 2014. It's still pretty good, it took some adjustment getting used to how fast some actions were on it when I got it.

One of the only glitches with it is the cooling fan. It's quiet right now, and I've been doing real work for a couple hours. But when it fires up it's incredibly loud. And there's often no apparent CPU load that I'd expect to require such drastic cooling. It's a minor problem - and maybe for the best if the current model is more likely to throttle than put the fans into jet turbine mode.

It's a work computer - for home I'll stick with Windows. The cheap stuff is a much better value to me. I've pursued Linux builds a few times, but always got stuck in an ever-deepening hole of installing extra components, their dependencies, compilers to build those from source and so on. Last time I got to that point I just broke down and bought some more old-fashioned dram and that got Windows running well enough without any more fiddling.
 
2018-07-19 05:41:16 AM  
You're using it wrong.  It isn't for basic tasks.  It is to impress your friends and show them you are one of them.  One of them, one of them, one of them.....
 
2018-07-19 06:40:42 AM  

gingerjet: Linux_Yes: WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.

Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.

Linux is only free if your time has no value.


Odd since ive spent more time dicking with windos security and antivirus than i ever did with Linux. Apps conflicting with each other and turning off services that like to call home to redmond were never and issue on Linux. At least since abt 2008 or so. I hear MS is trying to make their command line service more functional. Linux has been point and click for years now.
 
2018-07-19 06:46:15 AM  
I literally just found an old netbook in an old moving box i had stored.

Can a Linux minded person give a link or suggestion for 'making it Linux'

I am not afraid of a bit of work, and like having an 'evening project' to tinker with.

/much obliged in advance!
 
2018-07-19 07:09:33 AM  
According to Lee, you can see the throttling begin after a few seconds of rendering in Adobe Premiere. It can't even maintain its base speed of 2.9GHz, he says, and forget about hitting that maximum turbo speed.

Okay, that's pretty bad.
 
2018-07-19 07:19:56 AM  

uttertosh: I literally just found an old netbook in an old moving box i had stored.

Can a Linux minded person give a link or suggestion for 'making it Linux'

I am not afraid of a bit of work, and like having an 'evening project' to tinker with.

/much obliged in advance!


1. Verify it can boot off a thumb drive
2. Find a new hard drive for it (optional)
3. Install one of the lightweight Ubuntus (I think I used Lubuntu, but it was ages ago)
4. Spend the next week trying to get the wifi to work
5. Probably buy a wifi dongle that is known to work with linux, since the netbook only has 802.11b
 
2018-07-19 07:23:23 AM  

uttertosh: I literally just found an old netbook in an old moving box i had stored.

Can a Linux minded person give a link or suggestion for 'making it Linux'

I am not afraid of a bit of work, and like having an 'evening project' to tinker with.

/much obliged in advance!


www.debian.org - download a 1-disc installation ISO (i.e. not the full 4-disc "everything but the kitchen sink" version, or the "minimal" version), burn it to disc (or USB stick), boot from that, and follow the prompts. You can mostly click "OK" or "Next" and you'll have a working* computer within 30-60 minutes. The nice part is - if you f@ck it up, you can start from scratch.

* Unless you need wi-fi. This is Linux's weakest point. Many wi-fi chipsets don't have "free/open source" binaries. You might have to download and install some intel/atheros wi-fi firmware to make it work. The installation is easy, but IME finding the right file isn't, sorry.

If your netbook has an ethernet port, USE THAT during installation and skip the wi-fi part of the network setup. Seriously, once you have a working internet connection, you can solve the rest of the issues that come with Linux on laptops.
 
2018-07-19 07:24:54 AM  

Linux_Yes: gingerjet: Linux_Yes: WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.

Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.

Linux is only free if your time has no value.

Odd since ive spent more time dicking with windos security and antivirus than i ever did with Linux. Apps conflicting with each other and turning off services that like to call home to redmond were never and issue on Linux. At least since abt 2008 or so. I hear MS is trying to make their command line service more functional. Linux has been point and click for years now.


Yeah win10 put a bash shell in terminal (ubuntu), much needed and pretty cool.

Also, my time is so valuable. *shiatposts on fark*

That's funny to me.
 
2018-07-19 07:26:44 AM  

Linux_Yes: gingerjet: Linux_Yes: WeedBong420: What a surprise, Apple putting out an overpriced piece of shiat.

Marketing Masters they are.

By A pc laptop and put Linux on it. Solve the problem and save some money too.

Linux is only free if your time has no value.

Odd since ive spent more time dicking with windos security and antivirus than i ever did with Linux. Apps conflicting with each other and turning off services that like to call home to redmond were never and issue on Linux. At least since abt 2008 or so. I hear MS is trying to make their command line service more functional. Linux has been point and click for years now.


Hmmmm - YMMV, but I gave up trying to install and compile OpenDCP on Debian. Talk about dependency hell. Turns out, Premiere Pro on Windows does the first and lengthy part of the conversion that Debian couldn't cope with (MPG frames to JPEG2000), and Windows OpenDCP can do the rest.
 
2018-07-19 07:27:32 AM  
Thanks loser0, and Ole, G!!! 🤩
 
2018-07-19 07:35:44 AM  

uttertosh: Thanks loser0, and Ole, G!!! 🤩


Cheers. I've got Debian working on 2 x Toshiba laptops and 1 x HP laptop, 1 x generic desktop, and 3 x virtual machines under Win 7, so I'm fairly confident about it these days :-)

Sometime in the next 6 months I'll {shudder} embrace Windows Hyper-V on a server. I can install various flavours of Windows AND Linux as VMs, so that's going to be fun!

P.S. I'm about to go to bed, but I'll check this thread tomorrow and if you have any issues, I'll send you my secret decoder ring email addy for further advice. Good luck.
 
2018-07-19 07:42:37 AM  

ol' gormsby: uttertosh: Thanks loser0, and Ole, G!!! 🤩

Cheers. I've got Debian working on 2 x Toshiba laptops and 1 x HP laptop, 1 x generic desktop, and 3 x virtual machines under Win 7, so I'm fairly confident about it these days :-)

Sometime in the next 6 months I'll {shudder} embrace Windows Hyper-V on a server. I can install various flavours of Windows AND Linux as VMs, so that's going to be fun!

P.S. I'm about to go to bed, but I'll check this thread tomorrow and if you have any issues, I'll send you my secret decoder ring email addy for further advice. Good luck.


Wow. :-)

Now thisis why I love fark. I quit work at midnight today and am very looking forward to trying my forray into The Future Of PC (tm) !!! ;-)
 
2018-07-19 07:51:49 AM  
I dislike Apple as much as the next guy, but before grabbing pitchforks, I would love to see more about details of the throttling, like actual cpu temps, actual speeds it's running at, etc. This article was pretty fluffy. I would also love to see them test a few laptops. One where the heatsink is loose could perform like this, but is it systemic or a one off?
 
2018-07-19 08:17:10 AM  
This sounds like one of those 'just solve it in software' debug issues Steve Jobs would have heads rolling for attempting.
 
2018-07-19 08:32:06 AM  

OccamsWhiskers: I've got a loaded macbook from I think 2014. It's still pretty good, it took some adjustment getting used to how fast some actions were on it when I got it.

One of the only glitches with it is the cooling fan. It's quiet right now, and I've been doing real work for a couple hours. But when it fires up it's incredibly loud. And there's often no apparent CPU load that I'd expect to require such drastic cooling. It's a minor problem - and maybe for the best if the current model is more likely to throttle than put the fans into jet turbine mode.


I can make my old MacBook Pro's fan come on at will. All I have to do is load Fark. For whatever reason, Fark thrashes my CPU. Also kills my iPhone 6's battery. It's as if Fark is mining bitcoin or something.

This is in plain Safari with no extensions.
 
2018-07-19 08:36:24 AM  
The real story here is that someone posts a YouTube video and it becomes gospel.

This is no different than when some random person on Reddit reports their new iPhone bent in half, and suddenly there are a slew of articles about the new iPhone's fatal bending flaw.
 
2018-07-19 08:47:44 AM  
The base configuration with the Core i7, 16GB of memory and 512GB of storage is $2,799. Bump that configuration up to the Core i9 and you're paying $3,099.;

Holy shiat...for a 15" laptop?

Apple really knows their customer base :P
 
2018-07-19 08:53:24 AM  

aaronx: This is in plain Safari with no extensions.


That's the reason.
 
2018-07-19 08:59:47 AM  

ol' gormsby: OpenDCP


Requirements
------------
The program requires the following libraries. The versions listed are the ones tested with OpenDCP.
Other versions may work, except where indicated.
Library Version Tested Minimum Required Website
------- -------------- ---------------- -------
AS-DCP File Access Library** 1.8.41 1.7.40 http://www.cinecert.com/asdcplib
OpenSSL 0.9.8 0.9.8 http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/cry​pto.html
LibXML2* 2.7.8 2.7.8 http://xmlsoft.org
LibXSLT* 1.1.26 1.1.26 http://xmlsoft.org
LibXMLSec* 1.2.16 1.2.16 http://www.aleksey.com/xmlsec
LibTIFF 3.9.4 http://www.libtiff.org
~ OpenJPEG** 1.4.0 1.3 http://www.openjpeg.org
QT4*** 4.8.0 4.7.0 http://qt.nokia.com

* Optional, if you want XML signatures
** OpenDCP .20 uses locally compile version of these libraries
*** Optional, if you want to compile the GUI

That isn't dependency hell.  The audio effects program I use, PulseEffects, has more dependencies than that.

Also, "pacaur -S opendcp-git" installs that program on my Linux box.
 
2018-07-19 10:03:23 AM  

hashtag.acronym: aaronx: This is in plain Safari with no extensions.

That's the reason.


Unhelpful.
 
2018-07-19 10:09:14 AM  

thornhill: The real story here is that someone posts a YouTube video and it becomes gospel.

This is no different than when some random person on Reddit reports their new iPhone bent in half, and suddenly there are a slew of articles about the new iPhone's fatal bending flaw.


https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-new​-​MacBook-Pro-15-is-just-slightly-faster​-than-the-MBP-15-2017-and-clearly-beat​en-by-the-XPS-15.317264.0.html

Some quick googling finds a number of alternative reports. A WHOLE lot of articles referencing the same Dave Lee youtube guy, but several others showing their own benchmarks as well.

It doesn't appear to be an isolated issue.
 
2018-07-19 10:15:13 AM  

aaronx: hashtag.acronym: aaronx: This is in plain Safari with no extensions.

That's the reason.

Unhelpful.


There are two things that are likely issues.

1. Ads. Ads are often a lot more heavy than they have a right to be.
2. Web sockets. Fark uses web sockets, and apple has been slow in supporting them properly. https://www.reddit.com/r/iO​SProgrammin​g/comments/52tyz5/ios_10_did_websocket​s_change/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4​7​807898/websocket-performance-issue-on-​ios-11
 
2018-07-19 10:17:24 AM  

kasmel: aaronx: hashtag.acronym: aaronx: This is in plain Safari with no extensions.

That's the reason.

Unhelpful.

There are two things that are likely issues.

1. Ads. Ads are often a lot more heavy than they have a right to be.
2. Web sockets. Fark uses web sockets, and apple has been slow in supporting them properly. https://www.reddit.com/r/iOS​Programming/comments/52tyz5/ios_10_did​_websockets_change/
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47​807898/websocket-performance-issue-on-​ios-11


Interesting. Thanks.
 
2018-07-19 10:18:56 AM  

kab: Ivo Shandor: For the low price of $279 you can buy a silicone cooling sleeve which will hold a block of dry ice against the bottom of your laptop, enabling it to run unthrottled for up to 30 minutes at a time. Apple-certified dry ice refills are available on a subscription basis starting from $20/month.

iIce?


No it's Apple Ice.
 
2018-07-19 10:20:26 AM  
The i9 is a 45W CPU which is a lot for a mobile, but my i7 laptop is 47W and manages to run (hot, 90C is not uncommon) with both single core turbo and multicore base speed even with 4 years of dust in there.  Good job Apple, form over function.
 
2018-07-19 10:27:23 AM  

ol' gormsby: uttertosh: Thanks loser0, and Ole, G!!! 🤩

Cheers. I've got Debian working on 2 x Toshiba laptops and 1 x HP laptop, 1 x generic desktop, and 3 x virtual machines under Win 7, so I'm fairly confident about it these days :-)

Sometime in the next 6 months I'll {shudder} embrace Windows Hyper-V on a server. I can install various flavours of Windows AND Linux as VMs, so that's going to be fun!

P.S. I'm about to go to bed, but I'll check this thread tomorrow and if you have any issues, I'll send you my secret decoder ring email addy for further advice. Good luck.


If you aren't tied to HyperV by some work requirement, I'd highly recommend Proxmox. Based on Debian and KVM, it is very polished, very fast, and packed with a lot of awesome features. (Html5 console FTW)
 
2018-07-19 10:28:02 AM  

kasmel: thornhill: The real story here is that someone posts a YouTube video and it becomes gospel.

This is no different than when some random person on Reddit reports their new iPhone bent in half, and suddenly there are a slew of articles about the new iPhone's fatal bending flaw.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-new-​MacBook-Pro-15-is-just-slightly-faster​-than-the-MBP-15-2017-and-clearly-beat​en-by-the-XPS-15.317264.0.html

Some quick googling finds a number of alternative reports. A WHOLE lot of articles referencing the same Dave Lee youtube guy, but several others showing their own benchmarks as well.

It doesn't appear to be an isolated issue.


Maybe it is true, but there is still a phenomenon of a random individual making a claim about an Apple product that gets amplified to a ridiculous degree by all of these small tech website, and they sometimes (often?) turnout to be not true.

And what's also a complete failure of journalistic standards is that none of these website or users even attempt to contact Apple for a comment. Maybe the problem can be fixed by changing a setting or an update will soon be released to address it. Or maybe Apple will just verify that it is a real problem.
 
2018-07-19 10:29:03 AM  
It's a 45W processor just like all the i7s offered in the 15 inch MacBook Pro since 2016. I imagine there's more to this story than "hurr durr Apple."

That said... they have been farking up a lot lately.
 
2018-07-19 10:32:28 AM  
High performance
Thin and sexy
Properly cooled

Pick 2
 
2018-07-19 10:42:49 AM  
$3000 for a laptop?
Who the fark buys these things?
 
2018-07-19 10:59:34 AM  

abhorrent1: $3000 for a laptop?
Who the fark buys these things?


If you were a true Apple fan you'd max it out for a perfectly reasonable $6700

Of course that also comes with a 4Tb SSD...

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-07-19 11:06:27 AM  

aaronx: hashtag.acronym: aaronx: This is in plain Safari with no extensions.

That's the reason.

Unhelpful.


A default browser, doesn't matter what OS or browser, with no plugins or extensions will run the worst on most web sites.  Ad blocking and script blocking extensions go a long way towards making sites run faster and with less load on the CPU.  Auto-play blockers help a lot, too.  Then you have "does it support all the technologies in use today" issues like Kasmel brought up.

Likwit: It's a 45W processor just like all the i7s offered in the 15 inch MacBook Pro since 2016. I imagine there's more to this story than "hurr durr Apple."

That said... they have been farking up a lot lately.


You can only go so thin before you have to skimp out on things like "heat syncs" & "number of usable ports".  Who needs those features?

My current processor is a 130W Xeon and is the fastest GHZ chip in its class*.  There is another, very slightly slower CPU that has two more cores (X5687 vs X5690).  According to benchmarks, the 90 is sightly hotter under load since it has two more cores.  My 4 core faster chip would be throttled less than the 6 core slower chip even though both are the same W.

Basically saying, there are more factors than wattage when it comes to CPU temps -- hell, "upgrading" the thermal paste to Arctic Silver dropped my at load temps by 20C and eliminated all thermal throttling from my system.

*not counting the two core 4.4 GHZ x5697....I'd love two of those since I have a dual cpu system that doesn't overclock....
 
2018-07-19 11:10:30 AM  

Vacation Bible School: abhorrent1: $3000 for a laptop?
Who the fark buys these things?

If you were a true Apple fan you'd max it out for a perfectly reasonable $6700

Of course that also comes with a 4Tb SSD...

[img.fark.net image 850x812]


$7368.9 after the $669.9 sales tax where I live.  Screw that.  I'm not paying the cost of a high end GPU in just tax.
 
2018-07-19 11:13:19 AM  
Checked Dell Premier, and saw that they have pulled the i9 from all laptops but the Alienware. This is likely due to thermal issues. Props to Dell for pulling it to work out redesigning thermal management rather than limiting CPU performance. However, if you still want a laptop that has something beyond an i7, the Precisions still have Xeons available.
 
2018-07-19 11:14:15 AM  

Vacation Bible School: If you were a true Apple fan you'd max it out for a perfectly reasonable $6700

Of course that also comes with a 4Tb SSD...

[img.fark.net image 850x812]


An external USB drive is $100. I can't imagine why anyone would pay $3,000+ for that storage as internal storage.
 
2018-07-19 11:14:16 AM  

thornhill: kasmel: thornhill: The real story here is that someone posts a YouTube video and it becomes gospel.

This is no different than when some random person on Reddit reports their new iPhone bent in half, and suddenly there are a slew of articles about the new iPhone's fatal bending flaw.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-new-​MacBook-Pro-15-is-just-slightly-faster​-than-the-MBP-15-2017-and-clearly-beat​en-by-the-XPS-15.317264.0.html

Some quick googling finds a number of alternative reports. A WHOLE lot of articles referencing the same Dave Lee youtube guy, but several others showing their own benchmarks as well.

It doesn't appear to be an isolated issue.

Maybe it is true, but there is still a phenomenon of a random individual making a claim about an Apple product that gets amplified to a ridiculous degree by all of these small tech website, and they sometimes (often?) turnout to be not true.

And what's also a complete failure of journalistic standards is that none of these website or users even attempt to contact Apple for a comment. Maybe the problem can be fixed by changing a setting or an update will soon be released to address it. Or maybe Apple will just verify that it is a real problem.


I agree with you in the abstract. Breathless repeating internet rumors is what the internet does. But, I saw it on the internet!
 
2018-07-19 11:18:16 AM  

Vacation Bible School: abhorrent1: $3000 for a laptop?
Who the fark buys these things?

If you were a true Apple fan you'd max it out for a perfectly reasonable $6700

Of course that also comes with a 4Tb SSD...

[img.fark.net image 850x812]


We did this in another thread.  Anyone buying a 4TB internal drive is a tool.  Don't say video editing.  Anyone editing that much 4K video isn't using a laptop GPU equivalent to the six year-old one in my gaming desktop.
 
2018-07-19 11:19:46 AM  

PTP_Professor: Checked Dell Premier, and saw that they have pulled the i9 from all laptops but the Alienware. This is likely due to thermal issues. Props to Dell for pulling it to work out redesigning thermal management rather than limiting CPU performance. However, if you still want a laptop that has something beyond an i7, the Precisions still have Xeons available.


That's because you shouldn't put high-end desktop and server grade CPUs in such a small form factor.  We're not talking about ARM processors here...and even those don't like it when you go too thin and even require better-than-OEM thermal paste once you get to a certain point (had to do it to my LG G3 to fix thermal throttling issues...figured "might as well" since I was replacing a broken screen and had access to it all).

People need to accept that at a certain level you require a functional brick because a piece of glass doesn't have the physical capability to handle it all.
 
2018-07-19 11:25:22 AM  

foo monkey: Vacation Bible School: abhorrent1: $3000 for a laptop?
Who the fark buys these things?

If you were a true Apple fan you'd max it out for a perfectly reasonable $6700

Of course that also comes with a 4Tb SSD...

[img.fark.net image 850x812]

We did this in another thread.  Anyone buying a 4TB internal drive is a tool.  Don't say video editing.  Anyone editing that much 4K video isn't using a laptop GPU equivalent to the six year-old one in my gaming desktop.


So I'm a tool because I'd like to upgrade my 2TB drive to a 4TB drive because I'm out of room due to having too many damn games and mods for the aforementioned games?
 
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