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2018-07-17 02:58:54 AM  
He is mathematically better. Batting Practice during primetime doesn't change your batting average.

Bryce Harper is good, but he's overrated. He's not the second coming of Babe Ruth. Altuve and Betts are definitively better players. And... math proves it.
 
2018-07-17 06:59:48 AM  
Opie's daughter plays baseball?
 
2018-07-17 07:59:36 AM  
I'm not a GM, the whole comparing players on different teams for bragging rights is not remotely interesting to me.  I've always felt that was a loser discussion for fans of bad teams.  "I don't care about the final score, my guy had the longest home run!"  Great, get back to me when they decide wins and losses on that stat.

The most interesting things I learned about Mookie this year.  Mookie is not his real first name.  It took a little kid doing asking the question, and his response of "No, my parents did not name me Mookie!"  I think this says something about my level of questioning the world, I'm not sure.

He was off the charts on the pitch identification/reaction time test (which is obvious if you ever saw anyone try to sneak a fastball by him.)
 
2018-07-17 08:04:07 AM  
probably?

betts goes out and plays the game.  harper is too busy worrying about his hair and biatching about the unwritten rules

betts has 30.6 WAR in 5 years
harper has 26.1 WAR in 7 years and almost 40% more PA

/clown question, subby
 
2018-07-17 08:07:12 AM  
Hopefully Harper's HR Derby win will up his value at the trade deadline.

Nats aren't going to make the 2018 playoffs and I don't see Harper signing with them at the end of the season.
 
2018-07-17 08:09:09 AM  
mookie is a way better bowler as well.  how many 300 games does harper have?
 
2018-07-17 08:29:49 AM  
Kevin from Dorchester here, Why isn't Mike Greenwell on the Hall of Fame?
 
2018-07-17 08:31:13 AM  
He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.
 
2018-07-17 08:31:45 AM  
The answer is clearly Mike Trout
 
2018-07-17 08:33:21 AM  
*shakes fist*
 
2018-07-17 08:36:20 AM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.


Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.
 
2018-07-17 08:36:26 AM  

Dick Gozinya: *shakes fist*


Heh.
 
2018-07-17 08:41:45 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.


I agree on all three, though the Nationals have only gone to the playoffs in three of Harper's six full seasons (and it looks like the Nats may not go anywhere this postseason).

Someone is going to throw a ridiculous amount of money at Harper, and they're almost certain to regret it.
 
2018-07-17 08:50:06 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.


And Harper is comfortably at 657th between Oyster Burns and Mike Scoscia on the career WAR list (Trout is 115).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/le​a​ders/WAR_bat_career.shtml
 
2018-07-17 08:53:22 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.


And 4) For 90% of the baseball-watching public, his games aren't on until 10:00 PM, so nobody ever actually sees him play.
 
2018-07-17 08:55:12 AM  

Travis_Bickle: Kevin from Dorchester here, Why isn't Mike Greenwell on the Hall of Fame?


Because Troy O'Leary was better, numbnuts.
 
2018-07-17 08:55:50 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And 4) For 90% of the baseball-watching public, his games aren't on until 10:00 PM, so nobody ever actually sees him play.


I thought about writing that, but the biggest team in the NBA plays in Oakland and I figured it would hurt my argument. I agree with you, though.
 
2018-07-17 08:58:29 AM  

johnny_vegas: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And Harper is comfortably at 657th between Oyster Burns and Mike Scoscia on the career WAR list (Trout is 115).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/lea​ders/WAR_bat_career.shtml


I really have nothing to add here except that this tidbit about Oyster Burns amused me immensely:

Burns, nicknamed "Oyster" because he sold shellfish in the off-season, was described as a "loudmouth" and having "an irritating voice and personality".[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_​B​urns
 
2018-07-17 09:14:09 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: RumsfeldsReplacement: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And 4) For 90% of the baseball-watching public, his games aren't on until 10:00 PM, so nobody ever actually sees him play.

I thought about writing that, but the biggest team in the NBA plays in Oakland and I figured it would hurt my argument. I agree with you, though.


Yes, but the biggest team in the NBA also wins championships and has a roster full of superstars. They aren't just one guy (Trout) and one other guy that is overhyped and now hurt (Ohtani) and, as another poster said, never makes the playoffs.
 
2018-07-17 09:33:16 AM  
Can't believe people still get excited over this event. It's without a doubt one of the most boring sporting events ever. i'd rather watch the dunk contest.
 
2018-07-17 09:38:27 AM  
I became a Mookie Betts fan last night when that idiot reporter asked him why he wasn't in the Home Run Derby and his answer was "I'm not a home run hitter. They just happen to go over the wall." Best answer ever.
 
2018-07-17 09:40:36 AM  

johnny_vegas: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And Harper is comfortably at 657th between Oyster Burns and Mike Scoscia on the career WAR list (Trout is 115).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/lea​ders/WAR_bat_career.shtml


I caught a case of the oyster burns once.
 
2018-07-17 09:40:49 AM  

doubled99: Can't believe people still get excited over this event. It's without a doubt one of the most boring sporting events ever. i'd rather watch the dunk contest.


Sounds like the MLB needs to take a page from the NHL and let the batters wear funny costumes or hold the bat the wrong way or do a silly dance before swinging, you know, just to spice it up like they do in the breakaway competition now....

/the whole All-Star event is boring in any sport.
 
2018-07-17 09:44:58 AM  

I sound fat: johnny_vegas: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And Harper is comfortably at 657th between Oyster Burns and Mike Scoscia on the career WAR list (Trout is 115).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/lea​ders/WAR_bat_career.shtml

I caught a case of the oyster burns once.


Username checks out
 
2018-07-17 09:46:46 AM  

Travis_Bickle: Kevin from Dorchester here, Why isn't Mike Greenwell on the Hall of Fame?


maybe he's afraid of heights
 
2018-07-17 09:48:47 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Travis_Bickle: Kevin from Dorchester here, Why isn't Mike Greenwell on the Hall of Fame?

maybe he's afraid of heights


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2018-07-17 10:00:30 AM  

I sound fat: johnny_vegas: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And Harper is comfortably at 657th between Oyster Burns and Mike Scoscia on the career WAR list (Trout is 115).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/lea​ders/WAR_bat_career.shtml

I caught a case of the oyster burns once.


Sounds like you dangled your worm in the wrong clam.
 
2018-07-17 10:30:13 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.


It's kind of strange how baseball players just aren't as famous in general as they were 20 years ago. Bonds, Griffey, Jeter, McGwire, Pedro, Piazza, on and on... those guys were celebrities. Non-fans knew who they were. Today, Mike Trout has a realistic path to winding up as the greatest player in the history of the game, and he's not even really a household name. Nor is Betts or Harper or Kershaw or any of the most accomplished active players. Maybe Aaron Judge will be the one to reverse that trend.
 
2018-07-17 10:34:24 AM  
Part of that is because baseball as an institution demands that players have zero personality, zero fun, zero ego, or else you're a Bad Teammate who Doesn't Play The Game The Right Way and Disrespects The Sport and Isn't Serious About Winning
 
2018-07-17 10:37:35 AM  

johnny_vegas: Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

And Harper is comfortably at 657th between Oyster Burns and Mike Scoscia on the career WAR list (Trout is 115).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/lea​ders/WAR_bat_career.shtml


The active list is even more revealing. Among guys within a season of Harper's 7, you notice he's a shade behind Anthony Rizzo (8 seasons), a notch behind Kyle Seager (8), and just ahead of Starling Marte (7), Matt Carpenter (8) and Ryan Dozier (7).  Good players all, but not generally spoken of with the reverence saved for Harper.
 
2018-07-17 10:43:24 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Part of that is because baseball as an institution demands that players have zero personality, zero fun, zero ego, or else you're a Bad Teammate who Doesn't Play The Game The Right Way and Disrespects The Sport and Isn't Serious About Winning


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2018-07-17 10:55:05 AM  
bat flip? uh oh somone's getting thrown at. act like you've been there, clown
 
2018-07-17 01:34:32 PM  
I'm still disappointed that another HR Derby has gone by and the winner didn't say "Straight ball I hit very much" in the interview portion.  It's like they don't even watch baseball movies.
 
2018-07-17 01:38:38 PM  
That was a really insecure opinion piece, which I guess is par for the course for local sports radio.  I don't think any serious baseball fan would dispute that Betts is a much better player than Harper right now.  But, yeah, it is very much the "when are you a free agent" game.  Harper's eligible for free agency this year and will almost certainly hit the market.  Betts is not a free agent this year and probably won't be even when he's eligible. And then to say that prospective Harper suitors should wait for Betts to hit the market? That's goofy.  I would consider it highly unlikely the Red Sox will let him hit free agency if he keeps this up.  How could any reasonable GM say, "I'll wait 2 years for a player who may not become available, and I'll enter into a bidding war with Boston at that point?"
 
2018-07-17 01:52:04 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm still disappointed that another HR Derby has gone by and the winner didn't say "Straight ball I hit very much" in the interview portion.  It's like they don't even watch baseball movies.


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2018-07-17 02:52:08 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Part of that is because baseball as an institution demands that players have zero personality, zero fun, zero ego, or else you're a Bad Teammate who Doesn't Play The Game The Right Way and Disrespects The Sport and Isn't Serious About Winning


There's a difference between having fun and being a colossal dick.  Yes, baseball has far too many traiditionalist bullshiat "unwritten" conduct requirements.  But there are a lot of guys that have fun, and are goofy and irreverent as can be, but aren't treated like bad teammates or told they're being disrespectful.

They're the ones not being petulant dicks.
 
2018-07-17 02:54:47 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Part of that is because baseball as an institution demands that players have zero personality, zero fun, zero ego, or else you're a Bad Teammate who Doesn't Play The Game The Right Way and Disrespects The Sport and Isn't Serious About Winning


You say all that like it's a bad thing and/or not true.
 
2018-07-17 03:03:21 PM  

Khellendros: ElwoodCuse: Part of that is because baseball as an institution demands that players have zero personality, zero fun, zero ego, or else you're a Bad Teammate who Doesn't Play The Game The Right Way and Disrespects The Sport and Isn't Serious About Winning

There's a difference between having fun and being a colossal dick.  Yes, baseball has far too many traiditionalist bullshiat "unwritten" conduct requirements.  But there are a lot of guys that have fun, and are goofy and irreverent as can be, but aren't treated like bad teammates or told they're being disrespectful.

They're the ones not being petulant dicks.


This is all my opinion here, but I think the biggest difference between baseball and most other popular sports in the US is, they make an effort for kids to enjoy it. I rarely see a ballplayer hand an adult a ball, or go out of their way to sign an autograph for an adult. That sort of thing.

I think it's a good thing that baseball players in general, and the institution of baseball still wants the players to be seen as, and act like role models. Play tough, but don't gloat. Be competitive, but don't let it go to your head. Being good is great, but if you get too cocky you might see too many fastballs coming inside. Treat people with a modicum of respect. Don't act like babies. Etc.

I think those are good things. More sports should have more of those "unwritten rules"  that the Elwood guy talks about like they make MLB and the institution a bunch of beta cucks. Maybe MLB would be more popular if they shanked the guy at first and did a dance for every xBH. Maybe it would make as much as money and be as popular as the NFL. Oh, wait...
 
2018-07-17 03:41:35 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Bryce Harper is good, but he's overrated.


This thread was done in 1.

Wave Of Anal Fury: Someone is going to throw a ridiculous amount of money at Harper, and they're almost certain to regret it.


Like the Red Sox did with panda.
 
2018-07-17 03:51:44 PM  

Khellendros: But there are a lot of guys that have fun, and are goofy and irreverent as can be, but aren't treated like bad teammates or told they're being disrespectful.

They're the ones not being petulant dicks.


ok, who. If baseball actually has guys whose personalities are celebrated, name them
 
2018-07-17 03:52:08 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.

Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.


Working against Trout is the fact that most of his games start after much of the national media on the east coast is calling it a night. Other than that, he's the best player of his generation, bar none.
 
2018-07-17 03:56:07 PM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: He's had 2 good seasons out of 6 1/2 seasons, and in two of those seasons, apparently spent a significant part of the season on the DL, according to his games played stat.  Take out those two good seasons (.330 and .319 averages), and he's a remarkably pedestrian .255 career hitter (simple average of season batting averages).  Even with those two seasons included, his career average is .277.

Mike Trout, in a comparable amount of time, has compiled a .306 career batting average, with significantly more playing time (1022 GP compared to Bryce's 862), with higher 162-game averages for both HR and RBI.  And despite all the talk about Harper being walked to avoid pitching to him, Trout has more walks than Harper, in absolute number (655 to 533), intentional (78 to 66) and in the 162-game average (104 to 100).

If I'm paying someone big bucks to someone, it's going to go to Mike Trout.


Mike Trout is a very interesting player.

He is proof that one player does not make a baseball team (unlike basketball or football), considering he's the probably best player in the game and has played in three post season games total.

He really likes playing with The Angels, who really like not making the playoffs.
 
2018-07-17 03:59:18 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Khellendros: But there are a lot of guys that have fun, and are goofy and irreverent as can be, but aren't treated like bad teammates or told they're being disrespectful.

They're the ones not being petulant dicks.

ok, who. If baseball actually has guys whose personalities are celebrated, name them


I don't think having celebrated personalities is anyone's goal. But, I think Adrian Beltre is a ballplayer that is a better than average player, has fun, is well-liked, and seems to be a generally nice guy.  That's just one example.
 
2018-07-17 04:10:01 PM  

Super Chronic: Incorrigible Astronaut: Trout should be a way, WAY bigger deal than he is, and he would be if this was 20 years ago or more. He has three problems right now: 1) He plays for a team that doesn't go to the playoffs, 2) Baseball's not talked about on the national stage as much as the NFL and NBA are, and 3) He's not exactly a boastful guy/character.

It's kind of strange how baseball players just aren't as famous in general as they were 20 years ago. Bonds, Griffey, Jeter, McGwire, Pedro, Piazza, on and on... those guys were celebrities. Non-fans knew who they were. Today, Mike Trout has a realistic path to winding up as the greatest player in the history of the game, and he's not even really a household name. Nor is Betts or Harper or Kershaw or any of the most accomplished active players. Maybe Aaron Judge will be the one to reverse that trend.


Trout keeps an intentionally low profile.  In fact, if you Google Mike Trout, half the results on the first page are news articles about his low profile.
 
2018-07-17 04:15:19 PM  
That's nice, there are a dozen people in this country who could identify a photo of Adrian Beltre as Adrian Beltre
 
2018-07-17 04:22:17 PM  

ElwoodCuse: That's nice, there are a dozen people in this country who could identify a photo of Adrian Beltre as Adrian Beltre


I know what he looks like mainly because he pitches the 5 Hour energy drink.  Harper pitches T-Mobile.  Trout doesn't have any real big time endorsements.  Again, semi-intentional low profile.
 
2018-07-17 04:24:09 PM  

ElwoodCuse: That's nice, there are a dozen people in this country who could identify a photo of Adrian Beltre as Adrian Beltre


and promoting a few 'personalities' as the face of a sport usually ends up being bad for the sport as a whole.  this isn't wwe
 
2018-07-17 04:41:58 PM  

ElwoodCuse: That's nice, there are a dozen people in this country who could identify a photo of Adrian Beltre as Adrian Beltre


Ok, who. Besides you thinks baseball needs to have celebrated personalities?
 
2018-07-17 05:51:14 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Khellendros: But there are a lot of guys that have fun, and are goofy and irreverent as can be, but aren't treated like bad teammates or told they're being disrespectful.

They're the ones not being petulant dicks.

ok, who. If baseball actually has guys whose personalities are celebrated, name them


Pete Rose!

/wait...
 
2018-07-17 06:46:24 PM  

Super Chronic: Maybe Aaron Judge will be the one to reverse that trend.


He could be the next Michael Strahan.
 
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