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2018-07-16 03:22:58 PM  
Wasn't that already proven 20 or 30 years ago?
 
2018-07-16 03:49:34 PM  
Of course it's a bloody fake (no pun intended).

In modern times the real mystery has always been its real origin and how it was prepared.
 
2018-07-16 04:04:15 PM  
Still going to be a pseudo tourist trap no matter how fake it is.
 
2018-07-16 04:47:25 PM  
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2018-07-16 05:04:32 PM  
What about all those foreskins? They're still real, right?
 
2018-07-16 06:45:35 PM  
Considering some of the other things Catholics believe, an old used towel seems pretty benign
 
2018-07-16 07:04:08 PM  

MasterAdkins: Wasn't that already proven 20 or 30 years ago?


Yes.

It's a 14th Century painting
 
2018-07-16 07:10:42 PM  
At least I've still got my my Bible signed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and Don Cornelius
 
2018-07-16 07:20:26 PM  
Forens ruin everything
 
2018-07-16 08:04:14 PM  

PreMortem: Still going to be a pseudo tourist trap no matter how fake it is.


This. Carbon dating proved, and proved again, that it was made between 1200 and 1400 CE. So the only point in any "new research" is to get it back in the news, remind people that it exists, and give those tourist dollars a boost. Especially if the "new research" is wishy washy crap about the probable hand position of a victim of crucifixion.
 
2018-07-16 09:05:37 PM  
I've seen TV, those so called forensics people are all Satan worshippers.

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Mr. Coffee Nerves: At least I've still got my my Bible signed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and Don Cornelius


Stan Lee can be a dick about signing things sometimes.
 
2018-07-16 10:44:18 PM  
So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?
 
2018-07-16 10:44:37 PM  
Someone should have Harry Dresden check it out.
 
2018-07-16 10:46:53 PM  

mjjt: What about all those foreskins? They're still real, right?


For those who might be wondering just WFT you are talking about:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/fa​i​thbased/2006/12/fore_shame.html
 
2018-07-16 10:46:58 PM  
Is there a way to electronically shock people who submit headlines that have been run centuries  ago?

Literally centuries  ago. This is like walking up and saying "holy crap I went to Egypt and saw this big pyramidal thing!"

Just asking for a friend.
 
2018-07-16 10:48:06 PM  
Don't you people know anything???

God planted the forensics on the Shroud in order to test our faith.
 
2018-07-16 10:49:26 PM  
Of course, WFT = what freaky thing

But you've probably never heard of it.
 
2018-07-16 10:52:41 PM  
But it's a genuine fake!
 
2018-07-16 10:52:47 PM  

seelorq: mjjt: What about all those foreskins? They're still real, right?

For those who might be wondering just WFT you are talking about:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/fai​thbased/2006/12/fore_shame.html


Maybe he just smote it from existence with his Jesus powers? I mean, if I were Jesus I'd be mighty embarrassed if people were parading around the leftovers of my junk like that.
 
2018-07-16 11:00:07 PM  

froheadedyeti: Someone should have Harry Dresden check it out.


He'll get to it right after Peace Talks.
 
2018-07-16 11:01:05 PM  
Yeah, they weren't all that up on 3d projection modeling.

Because if you wrap a flat sheet around a face and project the image, you don't get a nice face back.

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2018-07-16 11:02:18 PM  

Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?


photon explosion Jesus would be a good band name but I'm not sure what genre.
 
2018-07-16 11:04:02 PM  
Is that pre or post Trump fake?
 
2018-07-16 11:05:12 PM  
I'd like to think it was thrown out and some feral cat ate it. And that, consequently, there is a line of feral cats whose DNA was fundamentally altered and they just don't stay dead. Cats have nine lives right? What if it wan't just nine, but that the word "nine" is some corruption for the ancient Aramaic term for "unkillable" or "forever resurrecting," which means that somewhere out there is a line of unstoppable cats that can raise the dead and walk on water, which comes in handy when you like to eat fish but farking hate swimming.
 
2018-07-16 11:07:01 PM  

jaggspb: Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?

photon explosion Jesus would be a good band name but I'm not sure what genre.


Christian Rock/Dubstep-EDM
Think Stryper meets Skrillex
 
2018-07-16 11:08:30 PM  
....and that was for you Bief Whistle
 
2018-07-16 11:08:38 PM  

snowjack: PreMortem: Still going to be a pseudo tourist trap no matter how fake it is.

This. Carbon dating proved, and proved again, that it was made between 1200 and 1400 CE. So the only point in any "new research" is to get it back in the news, remind people that it exists, and give those tourist dollars a boost. Especially if the "new research" is wishy washy crap about the probable hand position of a victim of crucifixion.


The biggest issue with the damn thing is that if you wrap a piece of cloth around someone's face and the image transfers on to the cloth, the result looks very distorted when you flatten it out.

It's basic geometry that anyone who does texture maps for games knows, but people in the Middle Ages who hadn't quite grokked two-point perspective wouldn't consider to be important.
 
2018-07-16 11:13:55 PM  

Mugato: image.wikifoundry.com


I don't own a TV, perhaps you could provide more evidence supporting your theory.
 
2018-07-16 11:17:39 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: At least I've still got my my Bible signed by Matthew, Mark, Luke and Don Cornelius


Don't forget Thomas, Marcion, Basilides, Mary, Judas, Philip, Eve, Cerinthus, Apelles, Valentinus, Andrew, Barnabus, Bartholomew, Hesychius, Lucius, Merinthus, Nicodemus, Joseph, James, and <gasp> John! And of course Jesus' wife.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​Gospels
 
2018-07-16 11:17:43 PM  

HighwayBill: Mugato: image.wikifoundry.com

I don't own a TV, perhaps you could provide more evidence supporting your theory.


Well they're also sodomites. This is her with her co-star.

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2018-07-16 11:19:20 PM  

jaggspb: Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?

photon explosion Jesus would be a good band name but I'm not sure what genre.


I'm thinking Dubstep
 
2018-07-16 11:25:46 PM  

Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?


Apropos of I'm-not-sure-what, Velikovsky!

And "Immanuel" is considered a prophecy of Jesus. Coincidence? I think NOT!
 
2018-07-16 11:30:44 PM  

MasterAdkins: Wasn't that already proven 20 or 30 years ago?


Exactly what I thought, the bigger issue is who was it and how was it made.
 
2018-07-17 12:12:36 AM  
Duh. Harry Dresden learned that in one of his novels.
 
2018-07-17 12:21:43 AM  

jaggspb: Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?

photon explosion Jesus would be a good band name but I'm not sure what genre.


Christian Dubstep?
 
2018-07-17 12:22:51 AM  

Chris Crude: jaggspb: Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?

photon explosion Jesus would be a good band name but I'm not sure what genre.

Christian Rock/Dubstep-EDM
Think Stryper meets Skrillex


Dammit!
*Shakes obligatory fist*
 
2018-07-17 12:24:27 AM  
I thought it had been conclusively proven years ago that he shroud was the result of supernatural UV rays emanating from Jesus' body before he was resurrected:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc​i​ence/scientists-say-turin-shroud-is-su​pernatural-6279512.html
 
2018-07-17 12:28:47 AM  
At the risk of appearing to be a bigger idiot than I usually am, I have a question that I've always wondered but never really looked into and why go to Google when I can ask here?

Is there any historical evidence for Jesus having existed? Not so much the son of God or anything like that, but was there an actual entity named Jesus (not the bowling ball licker fellow)? I realize the Bible talks about him a fair bit but that entire argument aside, I mean something from Roman government documents or contemporary sources non-religious in nature. Anything judged legitimate that mentions Jesus at all, or is everything based on the Bible?
 
2018-07-17 12:34:04 AM  

Mad_Radhu: snowjack: PreMortem: Still going to be a pseudo tourist trap no matter how fake it is.

This. Carbon dating proved, and proved again, that it was made between 1200 and 1400 CE. So the only point in any "new research" is to get it back in the news, remind people that it exists, and give those tourist dollars a boost. Especially if the "new research" is wishy washy crap about the probable hand position of a victim of crucifixion.

The biggest issue with the damn thing is that if you wrap a piece of cloth around someone's face and the image transfers on to the cloth, the result looks very distorted when you flatten it out.

It's basic geometry that anyone who does texture maps for games knows, but people in the Middle Ages who hadn't quite grokked two-point perspective wouldn't consider to be important.


LO! Miracles upon miracles!
 
2018-07-17 12:37:05 AM  
Leonard Nimoy, "In Search of..."

4.07-The Shroud Of Turin-In Search of...
Youtube 0NwjKYDX8dU
 
2018-07-17 12:40:25 AM  
If you can't prove God is real you can't prove his son's shirt is fake.
 
2018-07-17 12:41:53 AM  

Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?


Now that's a name I've not seen on Fark in a long time.
 
2018-07-17 12:42:17 AM  

WoodyHayes: I realize the Bible talks about him a fair bit but that entire argument aside, I mean something from Roman government documents or contemporary sources non-religious in nature. Anything judged legitimate that mentions Jesus at all, or is everything based on the Bible?


Even the Gospels aren't contemporary with Jesus. They were written 40-90 years after he left the scene.

The biggest piece of non-Biblical, semi-contemporaneous proof of Jesus' existence is the writings of Flavius Josephus, around 90 AD. Writing about Jewish observances, Jospephus makes a passing reference to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James." Scholars believe this reference is authentic. He also has a lengthier passage talking about the crucifixion, but scholars tend to believe that this one was a later addition to Josephus' writings by Christian partisans.

For the most part, however, there aren't many non-religious documents from the first couple of centuries referencing Jesus. Then again, there aren't many non-religious documents from the first couple of centuries referencing most people.
 
2018-07-17 12:47:09 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?

Now that's a name I've not seen on Fark in a long time.


In my brain "Urantia book" is always printed in green text.
 
2018-07-17 01:51:08 AM  
Even when I was a kid and first heard of this thing I wondered how do you prove who it is even if you assume the shroud is genuinely from the right time and place?

It would be like someone saying "Jesus drank from this chalice" and they had a chalice that has been proven to be from that time and place. How do you prove that anyone, much less Jesus, drank from it?

This falls into the category of 'people believe what they want to believe' as far as I'm concerned. In today's world we have video depicting events and people still can't agree on what is depicted in the video. How do you look at some cloth and get the whole story from it?
 
2018-07-17 01:57:40 AM  

jaggspb: Zafler: So, no photon explosion Jesus or Urantia book corrections addressing this?

photon explosion Jesus would be a good band name but I'm not sure what genre.


Space Pope Rock.
 
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2018-07-17 02:08:29 AM  

Birnone: How do you look at some cloth and get the whole story from it?


Do you mean that the Shroud of Turin's history isn't made of whole cloth?
 
2018-07-17 02:21:15 AM  

mjjt: What about all those foreskins? They're still real, right?


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2018-07-17 02:27:22 AM  

PirateKing: Yeah, they weren't all that up on 3d projection modeling.

Because if you wrap a flat sheet around a face and project the image, you don't get a nice face back.

[img.fark.net image 501x353]


This right here! I went to Summer Day camp when I was nine we did a transfer picture like that and then made masks. Fast forward many years when I see the first thing on 'the shroud', I see a picture of the face in a close up and my mind screams, "Fake! It would look like (the picture you posted above)that!" But peeps gonna believe because, I have no idea why they do. . .
 
2018-07-17 02:31:17 AM  

PirateKing: Yeah, they weren't all that up on 3d projection modeling.

Because if you wrap a flat sheet around a face and project the image, you don't get a nice face back.

[img.fark.net image 501x353]


I made one of those using an HP 4c about 20 years ago.
 
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