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(Reason Magazine)   Starbucks' efforts to help the environment by eliminating straws reaches its logical conclusion as they unveil a new sippy lid thingie that uses more plastic than the old lid and straw put together   ( reason.com) divider line
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2018-07-15 08:36:16 PM  
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2018-07-15 09:18:20 PM  
FTA:

By adopting a myopic focus on banning straws, environmentalists, city councils, and conscious capitalists are, at best, having no significant impact on the overall problem of marine plastic waste. At worst, they are pushing expensive prohibitions on consumer choice that are counter-productive-at least in the case of Starbucks' ban-and come with all sorts of unintended consequences.

Ah yes, the classic "if it won't solve the problem 100% it isn't worth doing at all".


Good job, Reason. Once again you are the dog with the really itchy ass, who drags said ass across a current issue.

Top shelf.
 
2018-07-15 09:29:18 PM  
I liked how this movement has somehow become anti disabled persons due to stroke victims needing them. Yet somehow forgetting they produce both paper and steel straws .
 
2018-07-15 09:29:50 PM  

Rev.K: FTA:

By adopting a myopic focus on banning straws, environmentalists, city councils, and conscious capitalists are, at best, having no significant impact on the overall problem of marine plastic waste. At worst, they are pushing expensive prohibitions on consumer choice that are counter-productive-at least in the case of Starbucks' ban-and come with all sorts of unintended consequences.

Ah yes, the classic "if it won't solve the problem 100% it isn't worth doing at all".


Good job, Reason. Once again you are the dog with the really itchy ass, who drags said ass across a current issue.

Top shelf.


They use the same reasoning to defend gun rights.  "We couldn't stop *this* shooting with a law, so gun control is stupid."
 
2018-07-15 09:31:52 PM  
I've always hated Reason. They are staffed by a bunch of hang-wringing, sh*theeled conservatives who claim to be independents, but slob the knob of big business any chance they get.

Yet somehow over the last little while they have become even worse.
 
2018-07-15 09:32:04 PM  
*hand
 
2018-07-15 09:40:12 PM  
A-list celebrities from Calvin Harris to Tom Brady

If those people are "A-list" I'd hate to see the D-list.
 
2018-07-15 10:44:56 PM  

Rev.K: FTA:

By adopting a myopic focus on banning straws, environmentalists, city councils, and conscious capitalists are, at best, having no significant impact on the overall problem of marine plastic waste. At worst, they are pushing expensive prohibitions on consumer choice that are counter-productive-at least in the case of Starbucks' ban-and come with all sorts of unintended consequences.

Ah yes, the classic "if it won't solve the problem 100% it isn't worth doing at all".


Good job, Reason. Once again you are the dog with the really itchy ass, who drags said ass across a current issue.

Top shelf.


Well if it detracts from doing actual things and lets slactivists pretend they are helping, yes.
 
2018-07-15 10:47:44 PM  
Maybe I'm one of the very few people that do this, but after the occasions when I get a drink in a plastic cup from Starbucks or McDonald's the cup and lid go into my recycle bin. They're coded as PET(E) #1 for recycling and can be easily disposed of that way.
 
2018-07-15 10:49:31 PM  
Our curbside recycling program is pickier and pickier with what they will actually accept.  Last months victim was pizza boxes.  No pizza boxes accepted.
 
2018-07-15 11:30:17 PM  

advex101: Our curbside recycling program is pickier and pickier with what they will actually accept.  Last months victim was pizza boxes.  No pizza boxes accepted.


They should never have taken those. The grease messes things up.
 
2018-07-15 11:37:19 PM  

advex101: Our curbside recycling program is pickier and pickier with what they will actually accept.  Last months victim was pizza boxes.  No pizza boxes accepted.


Nowhere I have lived ever accepted hem. They were always compost because of al the grease and stuff in them.
 
2018-07-15 11:45:00 PM  
Bucatini noodles... your're welcome

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2018-07-15 11:52:17 PM  

thurstonxhowell: advex101: Our curbside recycling program is pickier and pickier with what they will actually accept.  Last months victim was pizza boxes.  No pizza boxes accepted.

They should never have taken those. The grease messes things up.


Really all paper should just be composted.
 
2018-07-15 11:54:00 PM  
I like straws. They work best for snorting my drugs.
 
2018-07-15 11:57:17 PM  
Everyone used paper straws when I was a kid. Any reason we can't go back to those?
 
2018-07-15 11:58:55 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Everyone used paper straws when I was a kid. Any reason we can't go back to those?


Because people are idiots and have forgotten that those exist.
 
2018-07-15 11:58:56 PM  

668NeighborOfTheBeast: I like straws. They work best for snorting my drugs.


They're trying to ban straws, they're going cashless... it's all a conspiracy to crack down on drug snorting! Not easy to snort through a rolled-up credit card.
 
2018-07-16 12:02:49 AM  
I stopped reading once I realized that the author of TFA seems to think that all plastics are of the same density and they can therefore made assumptions on plastic use based solely on weight differences.

/Yes, I realize I should have never started reading an article on Reason to begin with.
 
2018-07-16 12:04:56 AM  

Shazam999: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Everyone used paper straws when I was a kid. Any reason we can't go back to those?

Because people are idiots and have forgotten that those exist.


"In addition, Starbucks will begin offering straws made from alternative materials - including paper or compostable plastic - for Frappuccino blended beverages, and available by request for customers who prefer or need a straw."
 
2018-07-16 12:07:39 AM  
If you want to ban something that's destroying the environment, the logical place to start would be lawnmowers.
 
2018-07-16 12:11:06 AM  

Teufelaffe: Shazam999: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Everyone used paper straws when I was a kid. Any reason we can't go back to those?

Because people are idiots and have forgotten that those exist.

"In addition, Starbucks will begin offering straws made from alternative materials - including paper or compostable plastic - for Frappuccino blended beverages, and available by request for customers who prefer or need a straw."


Yeah thanks?  So what?  There's a ton of places that have simply forgone the straw.  Like somehow the straw can only be made out of plastic...
 
2018-07-16 12:12:35 AM  
Seriously, Starbucks is still thing?
Yep, pay $5 for a coffee that can purchased elsewhere for under $2.
 
2018-07-16 12:21:02 AM  

Shazam999: Teufelaffe: Shazam999: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Everyone used paper straws when I was a kid. Any reason we can't go back to those?

Because people are idiots and have forgotten that those exist.

"In addition, Starbucks will begin offering straws made from alternative materials - including paper or compostable plastic - for Frappuccino blended beverages, and available by request for customers who prefer or need a straw."

Yeah thanks?  So what?  There's a ton of places that have simply forgone the straw.  Like somehow the straw can only be made out of plastic...


Well, that's a new one; I've never seen anyone go Not All Restaurants before.
 
2018-07-16 12:21:44 AM  

enry: Rev.K: FTA:

By adopting a myopic focus on banning straws, environmentalists, city councils, and conscious capitalists are, at best, having no significant impact on the overall problem of marine plastic waste. At worst, they are pushing expensive prohibitions on consumer choice that are counter-productive-at least in the case of Starbucks' ban-and come with all sorts of unintended consequences.

Ah yes, the classic "if it won't solve the problem 100% it isn't worth doing at all".


Good job, Reason. Once again you are the dog with the really itchy ass, who drags said ass across a current issue.

Top shelf.

They use the same reasoning to defend gun rights.  "We couldn't stop *this* shooting with a law, so gun control is stupid."


Prohibition will work THIS time!!!!
 
2018-07-16 12:28:19 AM  
The problem wasn't the plastic, submitter. That can be changed to materials that are more biodegradable.
The problem is sh*t like this (warning: graphic content):
Sea Turtle with Straw up its Nostril - 'NO' TO PLASTIC STRAWS
Youtube 4wH878t78bw

And the animals eat these pieces of floating junk by the ton and die.
Yup, good enough for me. Get rid of those straws.
 
2018-07-16 12:42:01 AM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe I'm one of the very few people that do this, but after the occasions when I get a drink in a plastic cup from Starbucks or McDonald's the cup and lid go into my recycle bin. They're coded as PET(E) #1 for recycling and can be easily disposed of that way.


Not in my neck of the woods. Those can't be recycled here and go in the trash.
 
2018-07-16 12:44:34 AM  

Tanqueray: If you want to ban something that's destroying the environment, the logical place to start would be lawnmowers.


Can we move leafblowers up there and make lawnmowers second?
 
2018-07-16 12:47:50 AM  
It weirds me out that people are so insistent that the problem is how much plastic is being used and not how that plastic ends up in the ocean to begin with. It's not like the shiat is migratory. Plastic is not naturally drawn to the sea. It ends up there because we (as in humans) are putting it there. Instead of worrying about how many grams of plastic there are in a Starbucks lid, we should be fixing the obviously broken system of disposal.
 
2018-07-16 12:48:20 AM  
You probably shouldn't be drinking things from Starbucks that require a straw.
 
2018-07-16 12:48:39 AM  

Carousel Beast: enry: Rev.K: FTA:

By adopting a myopic focus on banning straws, environmentalists, city councils, and conscious capitalists are, at best, having no significant impact on the overall problem of marine plastic waste. At worst, they are pushing expensive prohibitions on consumer choice that are counter-productive-at least in the case of Starbucks' ban-and come with all sorts of unintended consequences.

Ah yes, the classic "if it won't solve the problem 100% it isn't worth doing at all".


Good job, Reason. Once again you are the dog with the really itchy ass, who drags said ass across a current issue.

Top shelf.

They use the same reasoning to defend gun rights.  "We couldn't stop *this* shooting with a law, so gun control is stupid."

Prohibition will work THIS time!!!!


Except nobody's calling for prohibition.

/Apples and organges
//Clips and magazones?
 
2018-07-16 12:51:14 AM  

wildcardjack: You probably shouldn't be drinking things from Starbucks that require a straw.


I like my coffee thick

(the way I like my women)
 
2018-07-16 12:53:57 AM  

Teufelaffe: Shazam999: Teufelaffe: Shazam999: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Everyone used paper straws when I was a kid. Any reason we can't go back to those?

Because people are idiots and have forgotten that those exist.

"In addition, Starbucks will begin offering straws made from alternative materials - including paper or compostable plastic - for Frappuccino blended beverages, and available by request for customers who prefer or need a straw."

Yeah thanks?  So what?  There's a ton of places that have simply forgone the straw.  Like somehow the straw can only be made out of plastic...

Well, that's a new one; I've never seen anyone go Not All Restaurants before.


You might want to try going out once in a while. Many places simply don't give out any straws anymore. They didn't replace them with any alternatives. They simply stopped offering them.
 
2018-07-16 01:26:10 AM  

Marksrevenge: 668NeighborOfTheBeast: I like straws. They work best for snorting my drugs.

They're trying to ban straws, they're going cashless... it's all a conspiracy to crack down on drug snorting! Not easy to snort through a rolled-up credit card.


Nice! That was farking hilarious :)
 
2018-07-16 02:01:21 AM  

Somacandra: [img.fark.net image 425x393]


I get the point that "hey, if everybody does their tiny part, we can save the environment!" is ridiculous, but I think it's an important step in getting people to look at the larger picture.
 
2018-07-16 02:09:41 AM  

Somacandra: [img.fark.net image 425x393]


There is also the small matter that China currently produces about 90% of the plastic waste that's getting into the ocean. But hey, let's all be happy Starbucks is eliminating .001% of that waste.

Well, I mean to say they WANTED to eliminate .001%, but they've actually added another fraction of a percent. But hey, good intentions.
 
2018-07-16 02:13:11 AM  
I'm not at all surprised that the libertarian Republicans at Reason have multiple gram scales that measure out to two decimal places.

You know, for science. . .
 
2018-07-16 02:13:45 AM  

mrmopar5287: Maybe I'm one of the very few people that do this, but after the occasions when I get a drink in a plastic cup from Starbucks or McDonald's the cup and lid go into my recycle bin. They're coded as PET(E) #1 for recycling and can be easily disposed of that way.


I don't go to Starbucks very often, but I do guzzle soda all day every day. I got to Circle K or Kum n Go or 7-Eleven or whatever's nearby and get a soda, then reuse the cup, lid and straw (washing them every day or so) until the cup starts to leak or the lid splits or the straw cracks and then get a new one next time I refill it.

I think on average I need a new straw every 10 days or so, a new lid a little less often and a new cup maybe once every five or six weeks.

Baby steps.
 
2018-07-16 02:15:40 AM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: Seriously, Starbucks is still thing?
Yep, pay $5 for a coffee that can purchased elsewhere for under $2.


...and what's up with that airline food, AmIRight?
 
2018-07-16 02:17:19 AM  

enry: They use the same reasoning to defend gun rights.  "We couldn't stop *this* shooting with a law, so gun control is stupid."


Well, I think they have a point if the initial effort to reduce waste plastic actually creates MORE waste plastic.

And I'm not sure if it's possible to stick a straw through a new sippy-cup lid, but if it is I predict a lot of people are going to do just that and make the amount of plastic waste increase even more.

As for gun control, if some new gun control law not only failed to reduce gun crime but actually increased it, those who say the solution is worse than the problem will have a pretty good point.
 
2018-07-16 02:20:32 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: It weirds me out that people are so insistent that the problem is how much plastic is being used and not how that plastic ends up in the ocean to begin with. It's not like the shiat is migratory. Plastic is not naturally drawn to the sea. It ends up there because we (as in humans) are putting it there. Instead of worrying about how many grams of plastic there are in a Starbucks lid, we should be fixing the obviously broken system of disposal.


Once we eliminate the <10% of plastic waste the US is dumping in the ocean, we can start exporting smugness en masse to China and provoke them to tackle the other 90%.
 
2018-07-16 02:26:11 AM  

Sensei Can You See: enry: They use the same reasoning to defend gun rights.  "We couldn't stop *this* shooting with a law, so gun control is stupid."

Well, I think they have a point if the initial effort to reduce waste plastic actually creates MORE waste plastic.

And I'm not sure if it's possible to stick a straw through a new sippy-cup lid, but if it is I predict a lot of people are going to do just that and make the amount of plastic waste increase even more.

As for gun control, if some new gun control law not only failed to reduce gun crime but actually increased it, those who say the solution is worse than the problem will have a pretty good point.


You should count the number of times you say "if" and try again.
 
2018-07-16 02:48:11 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: It weirds me out that people are so insistent that the problem is how much plastic is being used and not how that plastic ends up in the ocean to begin with. It's not like the shiat is migratory. Plastic is not naturally drawn to the sea. It ends up there because we (as in humans) are putting it there. Instead of worrying about how many grams of plastic there are in a Starbucks lid, we should be fixing the obviously broken system of disposal.


90% of plastic waste that ends up in the ocean is coming from 10 rivers in Asia and Africa. We in the US don't need to address the problem, those countries contaminating their rivers do, and fixing the straw issue isn't going to do a thing about that.
 
2018-07-16 03:01:09 AM  

advex101: Our curbside recycling program is pickier and pickier with what they will actually accept.  Last months victim was pizza boxes.  No pizza boxes accepted.


Ban single-use pizza boxes!
 
2018-07-16 03:03:14 AM  

Shazam999: thurstonxhowell: advex101: Our curbside recycling program is pickier and pickier with what they will actually accept.  Last months victim was pizza boxes.  No pizza boxes accepted.

They should never have taken those. The grease messes things up.

Really all paper should just be composted.


No, most paper shouldn't. Non-biodegradable emulsion polymers get added to most paper products.
 
2018-07-16 03:04:40 AM  

Teufelaffe: I stopped reading once I realized that the author of TFA seems to think that all plastics are of the same density and they can therefore made assumptions on plastic use based solely on weight differences.

/Yes, I realize I should have never started reading an article on Reason to begin with.


I stopped reading your post when you used Density and Weight interchangeably.
 
2018-07-16 03:26:31 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: It weirds me out that people are so insistent that the problem is how much plastic is being used and not how that plastic ends up in the ocean to begin with. It's not like the shiat is migratory. Plastic is not naturally drawn to the sea. It ends up there because we (as in humans) are putting it there. Instead of worrying about how many grams of plastic there are in a Starbucks lid, we should be fixing the obviously broken system of disposal.


You can do both, but the easiest solution to a problem is to always reduce risk. Reducing risk leads to easier S.O.P..
 
2018-07-16 03:43:55 AM  

Sensei Can You See: mrmopar5287: Maybe I'm one of the very few people that do this, but after the occasions when I get a drink in a plastic cup from Starbucks or McDonald's the cup and lid go into my recycle bin. They're coded as PET(E) #1 for recycling and can be easily disposed of that way.

I don't go to Starbucks very often, but I do guzzle soda all day every day. I got to Circle K or Kum n Go or 7-Eleven or whatever's nearby and get a soda, then reuse the cup, lid and straw (washing them every day or so) until the cup starts to leak or the lid splits or the straw cracks and then get a new one next time I refill it.

I think on average I need a new straw every 10 days or so, a new lid a little less often and a new cup maybe once every five or six weeks.

Baby steps.


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2018-07-16 04:20:55 AM  

jjorsett: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: It weirds me out that people are so insistent that the problem is how much plastic is being used and not how that plastic ends up in the ocean to begin with. It's not like the shiat is migratory. Plastic is not naturally drawn to the sea. It ends up there because we (as in humans) are putting it there. Instead of worrying about how many grams of plastic there are in a Starbucks lid, we should be fixing the obviously broken system of disposal.

90% of plastic waste that ends up in the ocean is coming from 10 rivers in Asia and Africa. We in the US don't need to address the problem, those countries contaminating their rivers do, and fixing the straw issue isn't going to do a thing about that.


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2018-07-16 04:26:15 AM  

Somacandra: [img.fark.net image 425x393]


this. it's just a method to pretend that something is being done when in reality, the most that can be done is to simply find ways to help one another, instead of the nitpicking stuff.

yeah, that was hokey, I know.
 
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