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2018-07-15 08:38:07 PM  
Too late. They done farked away the benefit of the doubt long ago. The Boy Who Cried Wolf, you know?
 
2018-07-15 08:45:15 PM  
Anyone who watches that video and thinks this wasn't a 100% justified shooting is so biased no shooting could ever be justified in their mind.

I can't imagine why the kid didn't just take the arrest. It's not like they hold you in county here for UUW anymore.
 
2018-07-15 09:11:33 PM  
It looks justified in this case from that video, he does look like he's going for his gun.

That's not to say there haven't been plenty of cases where the police have gone overboard, I'm just not seeing this as one of them.

The real tragedy is that this whole thing could've been avoided if he hadn't chosen to carry a gun.
 
2018-07-15 09:24:41 PM  
Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?
 
2018-07-15 09:32:08 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Anyone who watches that video and thinks this wasn't a 100% justified shooting is so biased no shooting could ever be justified in their mind.

I can't imagine why the kid didn't just take the arrest. It's not like they hold you in county here for UUW anymore.


UUW?
 
2018-07-15 09:32:19 PM  

edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?


When they show things they want you to see, sure.
 
2018-07-15 09:33:28 PM  

edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?


This will get a few bites. I wonder if it will be from SJWs, 2nd Amendment fanatics, PoliceCar12, or garden variety trolls.

/let's see what happens
 
2018-07-15 09:33:43 PM  
Remarkably, this time their cameras worked.
 
2018-07-15 09:33:46 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Giant Clown Shoe: Anyone who watches that video and thinks this wasn't a 100% justified shooting is so biased no shooting could ever be justified in their mind.

I can't imagine why the kid didn't just take the arrest. It's not like they hold you in county here for UUW anymore.

UUW?


Unlawful Use of a Weapon is the charge in Chicago for illegally carrying an otherwise legally owned gun.
 
2018-07-15 09:34:52 PM  
So I guess this means all of those other shootings were justified too. I feel sheepish now, but it's good to finally get closure.
 
2018-07-15 09:37:02 PM  

Lochsteppe: So I guess this means all of those other shootings were justified too. I feel sheepish now, but it's good to finally get closure.


That is obviously not the case, ding dong. What is your point?
 
2018-07-15 09:37:26 PM  

edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?


And the police are always so forthcoming with the unedited video.
 
2018-07-15 09:38:19 PM  

Texas Gabe: edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?

And the police are always so forthcoming with the unedited video.


Which edits in the video do you feel are obscuring the truth?

I'll wait.
 
2018-07-15 09:38:23 PM  
Well, this solves everything for all interested parties. What's up next?
 
2018-07-15 09:39:59 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?

When they show things they want you to see, sure.


That's pretty stupid to say since all videos are released now.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-07-15 09:40:02 PM  
It's interesting how when the police are in the right the cameras work fine, but then sometimes all 5 officers cameras mysteriously fail at the same time.... Hmmm.....
 
2018-07-15 09:40:16 PM  

undernova: Well, this solves everything for all interested parties. What's up next?


Ice Cream!
 
2018-07-15 09:40:21 PM  

undernova: Well, this solves everything for all interested parties. What's up next?


Still waiting on an update on that young girl Glenn Beck hasn't denied assaulting back in the 90's.
 
2018-07-15 09:40:32 PM  

Somacandra: Too late. They done farked away the benefit of the doubt long ago. The Boy Who Cried Wolf, you know?


Done in one.
 
2018-07-15 09:40:45 PM  
Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.
 
2018-07-15 09:40:56 PM  
Well this makes up for the other shootings...and the torture sites....and the blatant racism...
 
2018-07-15 09:41:01 PM  
The only reason that LEO murder of citizens becomes a rather big deal is because of these dirty liburls that take to the streets in anger each time it happens.  To me, that's heroic.  To anyone ascribing to fox news' bullshiat, it's anti-american anarchy.

Yet, one can't expect a mind vedoid of critcal reasoning skills to comprehend anything like this
 
2018-07-15 09:41:10 PM  

edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?


They're situationally sensitive - when the situation recorded works to support the cop, the video's both clear and quickly produced; otherwise, the cameras either turn themselves off, break themselves, don't record the situation, or lose the recorded video.

Yeah, he looks like he's going for his gun. No, it doesn't look like he was using it, given that his left hand was, the entire damned time, showing, palm out, as he spun to each cop - the type of gesture you'd use to say, "don't shoot me, I'm pulling my firearm out of my holster" - but given that he was carrying it illegally, that he refused to follow commands when the cops realized that he had a gun on him, and that he was looking to get some distance between him & the cops while trying to pull out his gun, there's little here to defend.

He blew the encounter, and it cost him his life. The cops did their job. I can't really fault the cops here, even if he had no intention of using his gun. The second the cops knew he had a gun is the second he should've stopped, followed commands, and realize that his life was in jeopardy because of his earlier idiocy.
 
2018-07-15 09:41:32 PM  

almejita: undernova: Well, this solves everything for all interested parties. What's up next?

Ice Cream!


I read that wrong.

Devil Worship!
 
2018-07-15 09:41:39 PM  

cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.


A white tweaker acting the same way in the same place at the same time would be just as ventilated.
 
2018-07-15 09:42:56 PM  
The thing that does bug me, though, is "would a white guy have been in the same jeopardy had he done the same thing?" I can't answer that question with a "yes," and that's, ultimately, the problem.
 
2018-07-15 09:43:02 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Texas Gabe: edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?

And the police are always so forthcoming with the unedited video.

Which edits in the video do you feel are obscuring the truth?

I'll wait.


I thought we were making valid points through sarcasm. The cameras tend to fail at convenient times and other times police departments are reluctant to release the full video - when it makes them look bad.

This isn't one of those times.
 
2018-07-15 09:43:11 PM  

Carousel Beast: Somacandra: Too late. They done farked away the benefit of the doubt long ago. The Boy Who Cried Wolf, you know?

Done in one.


Yeah Fark all police forever!
 
2018-07-15 09:44:00 PM  

Warthog: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

A white tweaker acting the same way in the same place at the same time would be just as ventilated.


Because I can:
Ramones Wart Hog Live.
Youtube MmZSeHLu8ew
 
2018-07-15 09:45:58 PM  

almejita: Warthog: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

A white tweaker acting the same way in the same place at the same time would be just as ventilated.

Because I can:
[YouTube video: Ramones Wart Hog Live.]


In 16 years of being registered under this handle, nobody has ever posted that.  And I've never heard it before.  Mind.  Blown.  I have theme music!
 
2018-07-15 09:48:15 PM  
Yeah looks like he pulled a LaVoy. Not that it matters exactly, he could have been laying down hands on head and could have met the same fate and the officer, at best, would only have been fired.  That fact is what people are really protesting.
 
2018-07-15 09:50:53 PM  
What I see is officers harassing and tussling with a man who did nothing wrong.
 
2018-07-15 09:51:12 PM  
the NRA is protesting on behalf of the deceased's god given right to carry those weapons.  They are dumbfounded and outraged!
 
2018-07-15 09:51:24 PM  

loral: KingBiefWhistle: edmo: Those cameras are damned reliable aren't they?

When they show things they want you to see, sure.

That's pretty stupid to say since all videos are released now.


...right. You're referring to Chicago's 2-year-old policy of "releasing relevant videos within 60 days," right? Because "relevant" is not "all," and that only applies to Chicago, and that's only because, after years of not doing so for controversial shootings which cost their cops lawsuits and jobs, including their previous chief, they're thinking that the only way to prevent full-on DOJ babysitting is to release as much as possible.

One of the very reasons the latest protests are occurring is that "releasing relevant video" isn 't the same as "stopping piss-poor police actions." Yes, they're now releasing relevant video, but, no, it's not slowing down the death toll.
 
2018-07-15 09:51:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The real tragedy is that this whole thing could've been avoided if he hadn't chosen to carry a gun.


This whole thing could have been avoided if police hadn't harassed a man who did nothing wrong.
 
2018-07-15 09:52:19 PM  

HypnozombieX: Yeah looks like he pulled a LaVoy. Not that it matters exactly, he could have been laying down hands on head and could have met the same fate and the officer, at best, would only have been fired.  That fact is what people are really protesting.


That's an amazing layering of hypotheticals on this case here.
 
2018-07-15 09:55:06 PM  
I wish people would care every time a black guy got shot.  No matter who is doing the shooting.
 
2018-07-15 09:55:16 PM  

Warthog: almejita: Warthog: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

A white tweaker acting the same way in the same place at the same time would be just as ventilated.

Because I can:
[YouTube video: Ramones Wart Hog Live.]

In 16 years of being registered under this handle, nobody has ever posted that.  And I've never heard it before.  Mind.  Blown.  I have theme music!


Ok no reason to get snotty

I also post Bad Religion to....someone of that name when i see them
It's what I do
 
TWX
2018-07-15 09:56:13 PM  

Xai: It's interesting how when the police are in the right the cameras work fine, but then sometimes all 5 officers cameras mysteriously fail at the same time.... Hmmm.....


Seems like a simple solution would be to tie on-duty qualified-immunity-protected actions to times when the body cameras are turned on. Body-camera on, officer may qualify for immunity. Body-camera off, officer does not qualify for immunity and the standard under which they're prosecuted is the same as any other regular schmuck.
 
2018-07-15 09:57:35 PM  

cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.


if white people behaved the way that young man did in that video they'd be just as dead in the street.
 
2018-07-15 09:58:55 PM  

TWX: Xai: It's interesting how when the police are in the right the cameras work fine, but then sometimes all 5 officers cameras mysteriously fail at the same time.... Hmmm.....

Seems like a simple solution would be to tie on-duty qualified-immunity-protected actions to times when the body cameras are turned on. Body-camera on, officer may qualify for immunity. Body-camera off, officer does not qualify for immunity and the standard under which they're prosecuted is the same as any other regular schmuck.


...but that should work both ways. There should be a very visible indicator - basically, an "on duty" light - attached to the body camera. That light's on? He's a cop, you're being recorded. That light's off? He's a citizen, you're not being recorded.
 
2018-07-15 09:59:12 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: UUW


*raises paw*

"what's this?"
 
2018-07-15 10:00:16 PM  

sprgrss: That's an amazing layering of hypotheticals on this case here.


Some people are digging pretty deep for a reason to be outraged, huh?
 
2018-07-15 10:00:42 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

if white people behaved the way that young man did in that video they'd be just as dead in the street.


Bullshiat, plain and simple.
 
2018-07-15 10:05:09 PM  

almejita: Warthog: almejita: Warthog: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

A white tweaker acting the same way in the same place at the same time would be just as ventilated.

Because I can:
[YouTube video: Ramones Wart Hog Live.]

In 16 years of being registered under this handle, nobody has ever posted that.  And I've never heard it before.  Mind.  Blown.  I have theme music!

Ok no reason to get snotty

I also post Bad Religion to....someone of that name when i see them
It's what I do


Not being snotty -- I'm genuinely appreciative and have never seen this before.  Thank you.
 
2018-07-15 10:09:40 PM  

Warthog: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

A white tweaker acting the same way in the same place at the same time would be just as ventilated.


Undoubtedly.  But we'd never be talking about that because it wouldn't be national news.
 
2018-07-15 10:11:22 PM  

FormlessOne: Giant Clown Shoe: cretinbob: Silly negroes, only white people can have guns.

if white people behaved the way that young man did in that video they'd be just as dead in the street.

Bullshiat, plain and simple.


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The 232 white people killed by police so far this year would disagree if they weren't so farking dead.
 
2018-07-15 10:11:39 PM  

undernova: Well, this solves everything for all interested parties.


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2018-07-15 10:12:28 PM  
fark em. It's not the police departments job to kill citizens. They will do anything to prevent the riots that they so richly deserve. People should be mad at cops. Not just Chicago. Everywhere. The justice system in our country is a scam to kill and extort the poorest in society. It starts at the top, but the jackbooted thugs in the street protect and reinforce it at every turn. People should be mad. The longer that we sit on the sides the worse it will become.
 
2018-07-15 10:12:40 PM  

TWX: Xai: It's interesting how when the police are in the right the cameras work fine, but then sometimes all 5 officers cameras mysteriously fail at the same time.... Hmmm.....

Seems like a simple solution would be to tie on-duty qualified-immunity-protected actions to times when the body cameras are turned on. Body-camera on, officer may qualify for immunity. Body-camera off, officer does not qualify for immunity and the standard under which they're prosecuted is the same as any other regular schmuck.


You've never worked a day in IT, have you?
 
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