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2018-07-15 01:52:10 PM  
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TFA "At the same time, the company's plan could cause additional challenges for its disabled customers. Surely Starbucks can find a solution-perhaps keeping plastic straws in a dispenser near the counter, so disabled people can access them without having to ask. In an email, a Starbucks spokesperson would not say if it was reconsidering tweaks to its plan, but said the company "will continue to take an inclusive approach as we look ahead to our phased roll-out."

The environmental movement has an unfortunate history of ignoring the well-being of humans-particularly marginalized humans-for the sake of animals and "nature." That's changed a lot in the last decade, but the movement could still improve how it communicates its priorities. That doesn't require pitting groups of disadvantaged people against each other; it just requires recognizing that both exist.
 
2018-07-15 02:33:06 PM  
First they came for the cigarettes, but I said nothing because I don't smoke cigarettes.

Then they came for the sodas, but I said nothing because I don't drink sodas.

Then they came for the straws, and I said "Oh hellllll no!  They barely clean those glasses at restaurants/bars and the last times I but my lips on something that dirty was when I was dating Subby's mom".
 
2018-07-15 02:45:49 PM  
Bring your own?

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2018-07-15 02:57:12 PM  
Those asserting that a small supply of non-compostable straws would be only used by people who really need them are wrong.  People would make a personal exception for "just myself", like the ones in my supermarket who pass off their pets as service animals
 
2018-07-15 03:36:10 PM  
I don't really care if Starbucks doesn't have straws anymore, but ocean plastic simply isn't coming from Starbucks in the US. Something like 80% comes from Asian rivers (not my K-pop Weezer mash up band).
 
2018-07-15 03:36:59 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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Those things make me nervous. At least, I wouldn't let young kids use them.

Drinks often get carried around, especially by kids. Walking around with what amounts to a spear sticking out of your drink seems like a bad idea.
 
2018-07-15 03:37:40 PM  
I was unaware that staws were an environmental concern for people drinking their organic locally sourced free-range cage-free non-GMO coffee out of their reusable locally made cups filled with ice not made using a non-harmful environmentally friendly refrigerant.
 
2018-07-15 03:54:20 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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But but but disabled people...

/who probably plan according to their disabilities anyways and this is much ado about nothing
 
2018-07-15 03:58:04 PM  

Bowen: I don't really care if Starbucks doesn't have straws anymore, but ocean plastic simply isn't coming from Starbucks in the US. Something like 80% comes from Asian rivers (not my K-pop Weezer mash up band).


Also, this.

When I was in Cambodia, I learned that the locals think that plastic degrades after a few months. When I asked whether they noticed the trash piles were older than a few months....

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I also saw a literal wall of plastic in a dry river bed waiting for the monsoons in India.

Educating poor Asians that are polluting their rivers will take time. It will also take bringing them out of poverty so they actually give a fark. Which will take time too.
 
2018-07-15 03:58:07 PM  
The new lids use more plastic than the old lids with a straw.

Some 90% of ocean trash plastic isn't coming from the typical "Starbucks" consumer.
 
2018-07-15 04:00:27 PM  

realmolo: HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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Those things make me nervous. At least, I wouldn't let young kids use them.

Drinks often get carried around, especially by kids. Walking around with what amounts to a spear sticking out of your drink seems like a bad idea.


Also, people with MD and many other motor control disabilities need flexible, adjustable and sanitary straws in order to consume liquids at all. We carry around extras, but it's nice to have them available at local restaurants because running out can be sort of a hydration crisis.
 
2018-07-15 04:01:27 PM  
I hate straws. I almost never use them.  It drives me crazy when you're in a restaurant and the waiter will bring a damn straw with every drink order and every refill. Stop it.

Also, Starbucks can also help with the wasteful plastic by not putting a stopper in every cup that goes through the window.
 
2018-07-15 04:05:16 PM  
While I am glad to see some action finally being taken, I expect we are at least 10 years too late in these efforts.  Plastic pollution is so pervasive in the ocean that pretty much all the animals have ingested microplastics and many of them to the point they are unsafe to eat.  Once the ocean eco-system collapses it won't take long for life on the land to follow.  But hey, it was worth it for the minor convenience, right?

Don't have kids - the future of this planet is not going to be one you will want to live in.  And the future is coming real soon.
 
2018-07-15 04:07:17 PM  
As an idiot I'm offended by the notion that I have an opinion. How dare you!
 
2018-07-15 04:23:49 PM  

Samsquantch: Don't have kids - the future of this planet is not going to be one you will want to live in.  And the future is coming real soon.


Not saying you're wrong, but thanks for lifting the mood, Sunshine.
 
2018-07-15 04:26:53 PM  
My outrage isn't because of disabled people, it's because the morons at every starbucks I've been to, even in Seattle, can't be assed to learn to put a lid on a cold beverage right.  I like straws because I have to worry a bit less.

Admittedly, drive-through is better about it, but still.  Going through drive-through feels like just an added layer of jerkwad extravagance to the act of buying Starbucks.

/or maybe I should actually start using their BS terms for sizes instead of saying what size I actually want.
//maybe the Beasty Boys were on to something...
 
2018-07-15 04:37:05 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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Yep.

And they should also encourage people to bring their own mugs because the lids for hot beverages are plastic and the cups and lids for cold are also plastic.
 
2018-07-15 04:39:03 PM  
Oh, that's not what makes me an idiot.
 
2018-07-15 05:11:08 PM  
To do my part I'd stop going to Fourbucks, but I don't go there already, so I don't have that option.

/over-roasted, over-extracted
 
2018-07-15 05:18:49 PM  
This "ban" is worthless virtue signaling designed to appeal to fat ignorant western yuppies. Starbucks solution will actually generate MORE plastic waste. If westerners really care about plastic in the ocean, then ban plastic beverage bottles.

If every western company and country banned plastic straws, it would have no impact on plastic in the ocean because China, India, and south east Asia are responsible for the majority of the plastic that winds up in the ocean. And those people do not care about plastic in the ocean
 
2018-07-15 05:22:25 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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Oh, sure... and have the cops bust you for possession of drug paraphernalia.
 
2018-07-15 05:50:42 PM  

snowjack: The environmental movement has an unfortunate history of ignoring the well-being of humans-particularly marginalized humans-for the sake of animals and "nature."


Last I checked (and this is about the article), aren't human beings considered animals and are also a part of nature?
 
2018-07-15 06:26:14 PM  
"The environment doesn't talk back and tell you that you're doing it wrong."


Yeah, asshole, it just lets you keep f*cking up until it kills you. WTF kind of argument is this?
 
2018-07-15 06:50:29 PM  

Iczer: snowjack: The environmental movement has an unfortunate history of ignoring the well-being of humans-particularly marginalized humans-for the sake of animals and "nature."

Last I checked (and this is about the article), aren't human beings considered animals and are also a part of nature?


I normal usage, no.
 
2018-07-15 06:51:19 PM  
Starbucks banning straws is glorious. Every cup and lid they sell is disposable and they're worried about straws. Question: if they really give a fark about the environment why don't they sell coffee in re-usable washable mugs like my local coffee shop? And anyone who has some snarky answer about water can fark off.
 
2018-07-15 06:53:59 PM  

iamskibibitz: Starbucks banning straws is glorious. Every cup and lid they sell is disposable and they're worried about straws. Question: if they really give a fark about the environment why don't they sell coffee in re-usable washable mugs like my local coffee shop? And anyone who has some snarky answer about water can fark off.


What if I want/need it to go?
 
2018-07-15 07:11:51 PM  

VisualiseThis: iamskibibitz: Starbucks banning straws is glorious. Every cup and lid they sell is disposable and they're worried about straws. Question: if they really give a fark about the environment why don't they sell coffee in re-usable washable mugs like my local coffee shop? And anyone who has some snarky answer about water can fark off.

What if I want/need it to go?


Cup sharing program should work as well as it does for bikes
 
2018-07-15 07:33:47 PM  
It drives me bananas how absolutely conservative people are about anything that changes one iota of their lives. FFS people, this is why governments force change, and why so many self centered American hate government. "Don't tell me what to do, but please save me from my shortsightedness."
 
2018-07-15 08:21:49 PM  
When Waterworld hits, the floating plastic will be the only thing they have to cook over.
 
2018-07-15 10:11:48 PM  
This is the Papa John's of coffee. Overroasted tripe.
 
2018-07-15 10:13:31 PM  

realmolo: HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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Those things make me nervous. At least, I wouldn't let young kids use them.

Drinks often get carried around, especially by kids. Walking around with what amounts to a spear sticking out of your drink seems like a bad idea.


Well that and the topic is disabled people who can't use a paper straw because they flail around.
 
2018-07-15 10:14:57 PM  
I like straws.

I have my own theory about there no longer being straws. It's a "convenience" that the corporation can both save a few pennies on if they don't give, and another thing people can get used to not having..unless they buy them themselves, of course.

It's indicative of the entire culture becoming more insular and less giving as a whole, and by design.

it's the 'last straw'...
 
2018-07-15 10:16:09 PM  

Mrbogey: The new lids use more plastic than the old lids with a straw.

Some 90% of ocean trash plastic isn't coming from the typical "Starbucks" consumer.


Most ocean trash is fishing gear lost at sea. There isn't an ocean pollution problem.
 
2018-07-15 10:17:17 PM  

NASAM: I hate straws. I almost never use them.  It drives me crazy when you're in a restaurant and the waiter will bring a damn straw with every drink order and every refill. Stop it.

Also, Starbucks can also help with the wasteful plastic by not putting a stopper in every cup that goes through the window.


Unfortunately people who drink coffee at starbucks are too 'tarded and can't go without the stopper. They might spill on themselves and burn.
 
2018-07-15 10:22:54 PM  

Fano: VisualiseThis: iamskibibitz: Starbucks banning straws is glorious. Every cup and lid they sell is disposable and they're worried about straws. Question: if they really give a fark about the environment why don't they sell coffee in re-usable washable mugs like my local coffee shop? And anyone who has some snarky answer about water can fark off.

What if I want/need it to go?

Cup sharing program should work as well as it does for bikes


Ever seen two girls share one cup?
 
2018-07-15 10:24:18 PM  

Bearishlyphat: This "ban" is worthless virtue signaling designed to appeal to fat ignorant western yuppies. Starbucks solution will actually generate MORE plastic waste. If westerners really care about plastic in the ocean, then ban plastic beverage bottles.

If every western company and country banned plastic straws, it would have no impact on plastic in the ocean because China, India, and south east Asia are responsible for the majority of the plastic that winds up in the ocean. And those people do not care about plastic in the ocean


The majority of waste in the ocean is fishing gear either abandoned by third world fishermen or lost at sea from storms.

Nothing anyone in any developed nation does will impact the waste in the ocean to a measurable degree.
 
2018-07-15 10:35:05 PM  

Mme.Mersault: This is the Papa John's of coffee. Overroasted tripe.


Starbucks is the company that raised the bar on coffee quality. I frankly love their French Roast beans, and Costco sells them at a very inexpensive price.
 
2018-07-15 11:17:53 PM  
If you're disabled and need a straw, carry some with you. If you're a caretaker, carry some farking straws.

If you ask me which is more important, a sea turtle or a person, I'm just gonna point out there are 7 billion people and most sea turtles are endangered. I'm more worried about the turtles. People can deal. They won't die for lack of plastic straws.
 
2018-07-16 12:45:02 AM  

Harry_Seldon: It drives me bananas how absolutely conservative people are about anything that changes one iota of their lives. FFS people, this is why governments force change, and why so many self centered American hate government. "Don't tell me what to do, but please save me from my shortsightedness."


Exactly.

Look at the spread of STDs since we've rolled back laws against promiscuity. Sometimes we need the government to tell folks they can't do some things for their own good.
 
2018-07-16 01:03:38 AM  

Mrbogey: Harry_Seldon: It drives me bananas how absolutely conservative people are about anything that changes one iota of their lives. FFS people, this is why governments force change, and why so many self centered American hate government. "Don't tell me what to do, but please save me from my shortsightedness."

Exactly.

Look at the spread of STDs since we've rolled back laws against promiscuity. Sometimes we need the government to tell folks they can't do some things for their own good.


That really sucked when the government gave me Chlamydia.
 
2018-07-16 07:59:38 AM  

Tsam: Those asserting that a small supply of non-compostable straws would be only used by people who really need them are wrong.  People would make a personal exception for "just myself", like the ones in my supermarket who pass off their pets as service animals


I like straws I would take one and I'm not disabled, don't ask my wife that question though.
 
2018-07-16 09:29:12 AM  
This scientific paper's abstract says says TFA's author is an idiot, because 90% of the plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 10 river systems, 8 of which are in Asia (Yangze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Meghna, Pearl, Amur, and Mekong rivers), and 2 of which are in Africa (Nile and Niger rivers).

Banning plastic straws at Starbucks in the US is at best a symbolic gesture, and will have zero practical effect on the amount of plastic waste in the oceans.  It's a sham.
 
2018-07-16 09:42:18 AM  

dittybopper: This scientific paper's abstract says says TFA's author is an idiot, because 90% of the plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 10 river systems, 8 of which are in Asia (Yangze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Meghna, Pearl, Amur, and Mekong rivers), and 2 of which are in Africa (Nile and Niger rivers).

Banning plastic straws at Starbucks in the US is at best a symbolic gesture, and will have zero practical effect on the amount of plastic waste in the oceans.  It's a sham.


I hate to be pedantic, but it will have some effect on plastic waste, just so little as to be almost negligible. It most certainly is a dog and pony show, though.
 
2018-07-16 10:19:20 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Mrbogey: Harry_Seldon: It drives me bananas how absolutely conservative people are about anything that changes one iota of their lives. FFS people, this is why governments force change, and why so many self centered American hate government. "Don't tell me what to do, but please save me from my shortsightedness."

Exactly.

Look at the spread of STDs since we've rolled back laws against promiscuity. Sometimes we need the government to tell folks they can't do some things for their own good.

That really sucked when the government gave me Chlamydia.


I've been lucky enough to avoid Chlamydia so far, but I made sure to get checked after April 15 this year.
 
2018-07-16 11:01:11 AM  
Can we talk about the sheer idiocy of these straws?
A McDonalds near me started using them, and I only got about 1/4 of the way through my drink before the straw started to fall apart in my drink.
Mmmm, tea and cardboard, my favorite!

A straw made out of material that soaks up liquids is just dumb.
 
2018-07-16 11:15:15 AM  

dittybopper: This scientific paper's abstract says says TFA's author is an idiot, because 90% of the plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 10 river systems, 8 of which are in Asia (Yangze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Meghna, Pearl, Amur, and Mekong rivers), and 2 of which are in Africa (Nile and Niger rivers).

Banning plastic straws at Starbucks in the US is at best a symbolic gesture, and will have zero practical effect on the amount of plastic waste in the oceans.  It's a sham.


I agree with you. Let's start nowhere instead of somewhere.
 
2018-07-16 01:26:03 PM  

dittybopper: This scientific paper's abstract says says TFA's author is an idiot, because 90% of the plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 10 river systems, 8 of which are in Asia (Yangze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Meghna, Pearl, Amur, and Mekong rivers), and 2 of which are in Africa (Nile and Niger rivers).

Banning plastic straws at Starbucks in the US is at best a symbolic gesture, and will have zero practical effect on the amount of plastic waste in the oceans.  It's a sham.


Oh no, what if we accidentally make the world a better place for our children!
 
2018-07-16 03:35:17 PM  

sirgrim: dittybopper: This scientific paper's abstract says says TFA's author is an idiot, because 90% of the plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 10 river systems, 8 of which are in Asia (Yangze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Meghna, Pearl, Amur, and Mekong rivers), and 2 of which are in Africa (Nile and Niger rivers).

Banning plastic straws at Starbucks in the US is at best a symbolic gesture, and will have zero practical effect on the amount of plastic waste in the oceans.  It's a sham.

Oh no, what if we accidentally make the world a better place for our children!


Well, for the children don't have a motor control disease that requires a straw to drink liquids without dumping them everywhere, anyway. So, better for most of them.
 
2018-07-16 04:52:40 PM  

JohnBigBootay: dittybopper: This scientific paper's abstract says says TFA's author is an idiot, because 90% of the plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 10 river systems, 8 of which are in Asia (Yangze, Indus, Yellow, Hai, Meghna, Pearl, Amur, and Mekong rivers), and 2 of which are in Africa (Nile and Niger rivers).

Banning plastic straws at Starbucks in the US is at best a symbolic gesture, and will have zero practical effect on the amount of plastic waste in the oceans.  It's a sham.

I agree with you. Let's start nowhere instead of somewhere.


Exactly.  We're all farked.  We're helpless to change anything.  All other people are doing it worse than us so let's not do a damn thing and sit on are fat arses and mock every single noble act to better the world that crosses our eyes.  Besides all that "environmental" stuff is just stupid, liberal, hippy-dippy crap.

/am I doing it right?
 
2018-07-16 07:21:26 PM  

ColonelCathcart: HighlanderRPI: Bring your own?

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But but but disabled people...

/who probably plan according to their disabilities anyways and this is much ado about nothing


Everyone who buys stuff from Starbucks is disabled
 
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