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2018-07-12 05:39:28 PM  
I'll bear that in mind if I ever go back to using a server for my SQL applications.
 
2018-07-12 08:58:56 PM  
Why the hell not? They've been pushing everything to the goddamn cloud...why not add SQL Server into the mix?  It doesn't matter if the data is rife with PII, we'll trust somebody else's computer because they happen to dominate the paid advertising in all the industry mags.

Sorry, I don't mean to vent but I'm a little bitter abut this...and the (4+???) different programming models they've expected their developers to digest in order to work with the abomination known as SharePoint Enterprise Server....what are we up to now...2016...17?

I know!  It's SharePoint Server 20--we need another goddamn client API!!!!
 
2018-07-12 09:17:05 PM  

PainInTheASP: Why the hell not? They've been pushing everything to the goddamn cloud...why not add SQL Server into the mix?  It doesn't matter if the data is rife with PII, we'll trust somebody else's computer because they happen to dominate the paid advertising in all the industry mags.

Sorry, I don't mean to vent but I'm a little bitter abut this...and the (4+???) different programming models they've expected their developers to digest in order to work with the abomination known as SharePoint Enterprise Server....what are we up to now...2016...17?

I know!  It's SharePoint Server 20--we need another goddamn client API!!!!


I think ShartPoint Server has taken the place of 'oh, hell no!' formerly occupied by Exchange Server.

My sympathies.

\Have you tried a new version of Silverlight? That fixes things.
\\sometimes
 
2018-07-12 09:22:31 PM  
Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?
 
2018-07-12 09:28:42 PM  

RandolphCarter: PainInTheASP: Why the hell not? They've been pushing everything to the goddamn cloud...why not add SQL Server into the mix?  It doesn't matter if the data is rife with PII, we'll trust somebody else's computer because they happen to dominate the paid advertising in all the industry mags.

Sorry, I don't mean to vent but I'm a little bitter abut this...and the (4+???) different programming models they've expected their developers to digest in order to work with the abomination known as SharePoint Enterprise Server....what are we up to now...2016...17?

I know!  It's SharePoint Server 20--we need another goddamn client API!!!!

I think ShartPoint Server has taken the place of 'oh, hell no!' formerly occupied by Exchange Server.

My sympathies.

\Have you tried a new version of Silverlight? That fixes things.
\\sometimes


LOL.  And no, I've stayed the hell away from Silverlight...I saw that stinker for what it was when they released it.  So far, I've been able to keep everyone happy with server-side event receivers.  It's the only solution that I've found that is guaranteed to work 100% of the time as long as the code works.  Workflows? Yeah, right.  Workflows are great if you need to have something happen at some point in in the future...maybe.

Luckily I've been assured that they will support 2016 until until at least 2026, which gives me enough time to plan for early retirement.
 
2018-07-12 09:41:28 PM  
Bunch of nerds in this thread.
 
2018-07-12 09:44:03 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Bunch of nerds in this thread.


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2018-07-12 09:53:56 PM  
Well done subby.
 
2018-07-12 09:57:47 PM  
Azure is a shiat show of monstrous expense, outside of limited spin up/spin down workloads.
 
2018-07-12 10:03:26 PM  

PainInTheASP: Why the hell not? They've been pushing everything to the goddamn cloud...why not add SQL Server into the mix?  It doesn't matter if the data is rife with PII, we'll trust somebody else's computer because they happen to dominate the paid advertising in all the industry mags.

Sorry, I don't mean to vent but I'm a little bitter abut this...and the (4+???) different programming models they've expected their developers to digest in order to work with the abomination known as SharePoint Enterprise Server....what are we up to now...2016...17?

I know!  It's SharePoint Server 20--we need another goddamn client API!!!!


Aren't you getting paid well for this?

/stop biatching and enjoy your stock options
 
2018-07-12 10:10:59 PM  
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/ Cloud apps and cloud services are wonderful for some purposes.
// And not for others.
/// And sometimes it's a coin-flip
 
2018-07-12 10:12:20 PM  

gingerjet: PainInTheASP: Why the hell not? They've been pushing everything to the goddamn cloud...why not add SQL Server into the mix?  It doesn't matter if the data is rife with PII, we'll trust somebody else's computer because they happen to dominate the paid advertising in all the industry mags.

Sorry, I don't mean to vent but I'm a little bitter abut this...and the (4+???) different programming models they've expected their developers to digest in order to work with the abomination known as SharePoint Enterprise Server....what are we up to now...2016...17?

I know!  It's SharePoint Server 20--we need another goddamn client API!!!!

Aren't you getting paid well for this?

/stop biatching and enjoy your stock options


LOL.  Lowly programmer in the education field.  Stock options.

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2018-07-12 10:25:22 PM  
Is Sybase still around?
 
2018-07-12 10:29:01 PM  

simplicimus: Is Sybase still around?


Real databases run on Oracle.
 
2018-07-12 10:34:28 PM  
That's awesome! I can buy my Datacenter license, use it both on-prem and on Azure, save myself a buttload of cash, and transition to the cloud once my dev team's done coding at home.

I'm not locked in, I can cancel at any time, and I save anywhere from 40 to 70+ percent, depending on how I manage my implementation. My business remains flexible, I save money, and I get dedicated instances.

So, how is this bad, again?
 
2018-07-12 10:39:25 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: simplicimus: Is Sybase still around?

Real databases run on Oracle.


I know. But that bastardized SQL irritates me.
 
2018-07-12 10:41:30 PM  
Yup, what a real Paradox this is.
 
2018-07-12 10:42:43 PM  
I have a feeling our information protection teams will have a strong opinion on whether we should keep key PHI/PII functions on SQL
 
2018-07-12 10:42:51 PM  

PainInTheASP: Workflows? Yeah, right. Workflows are great if you need to have something happen at some point in in the future...maybe.


*clutches chest* My... my heart! *thud*

I used to work for Nintex.
 
2018-07-12 10:46:43 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: simplicimus: Is Sybase still around?

Real databases run on Oracle Informix.


Careful with those typos....

Several versions of MS SQL Server were based off of Sybase. I have no idea if any of that code is still part of the product.
 
2018-07-12 10:47:37 PM  

FormlessOne: PainInTheASP: Workflows? Yeah, right. Workflows are great if you need to have something happen at some point in in the future...maybe.

*clutches chest* My... my heart! *thud*

I used to work for Nintex.


I'm sorry bit it's true.  99% does not equal 100%.

/Server load is not an excuse.
 
2018-07-12 10:53:42 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?


Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?
 
2018-07-12 11:11:08 PM  

Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?


Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)
 
2018-07-12 11:13:24 PM  

RandolphCarter: itcamefromschenectady: simplicimus: Is Sybase still around?

Real databases run on Oracle Informix.

Careful with those typos....

Several versions of MS SQL Server were based off of Sybase. I have no idea if any of that code is still part of the product.


I used a driver called "Sybase" to talk to MS SQL Server for years...so they must have a lot in common.
 
2018-07-12 11:20:34 PM  
All our stuff is still BTRIEVE, is this deal a good reason to upgrade?
 
2018-07-12 11:22:51 PM  

hashtag.acronym: Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?

Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)


I hate to explain a joke, but... There was another thread in which people wanted to argue about whether initialisms are a subset of acronyms or not. And "SQL" is sometimes pronounced as "Ess Que Ell" and sometimes as "Sequel". So I was hoping to get some controversy going.
 
2018-07-12 11:39:06 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: hashtag.acronym: Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?

Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)

I hate to explain a joke, but... There was another thread in which people wanted to argue about whether initialisms are a subset of acronyms or not. And "SQL" is sometimes pronounced as "Ess Que Ell" and sometimes as "Sequel". So I was hoping to get some controversy going.


Oh, like stupid people who pronounce Wi-Fi as "wiffy"...like "whiff" with a "y" at the end.
 
2018-07-13 12:05:20 AM  

simplicimus: itcamefromschenectady: simplicimus: Is Sybase still around?

Real databases run on Oracle.

I know. But that bastardized SQL irritates me.


Sybase is still around, it's where I'm currently making a living.  it was bought by SAP several years ago to backend their systems, since it's cheaper to by an entire company than it is to license Oracle.
 
2018-07-13 12:11:53 AM  
licensing... the ban of software, and it doesn't matter what OS or cloud you are using.
 
kab
2018-07-13 12:18:23 AM  
but... but ... da clowd!!!

/if you don't think the next step is making consumers pay based on per-minute usage,you're on crack.
 
2018-07-13 12:43:09 AM  

RandolphCarter: I think ShartPoint Server has taken the place of 'oh, hell no!' formerly occupied by Exchange Server.


I do small shop IT for a bunch of small businesses. I made the mistake of rolling out Sharepoint for one of them and couldn't move them to Google Apps fast enough once I realized how much of  a PITA it is.

Most SQL work can either be handled just fine with a FOSS database engine or with a free SQL Instance, but my own company has one application that needs SQL Enterprise features. We looked at pricing and Google/Microsoft/Amazon were nuts for the combination of our dataset and requirements. As I understand it, the developers I work with decided to go with an older SQL Server release with less expensive licensing requirements so they could kick the can down the road for a couple more years.

None of these things exist to do customers a favor. Especially not for small shops with real, if limited needs.
 
2018-07-13 12:44:16 AM  
 
2018-07-13 12:51:45 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: hashtag.acronym: Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?

Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)

I hate to explain a joke, but... There was another thread in which people wanted to argue about whether initialisms are a subset of acronyms or not. And "SQL" is sometimes pronounced as "Ess Que Ell" and sometimes as "Sequel". So I was hoping to get some controversy going.


Other way around, actually. Acronyms are a subset of initialisms. An acronym is an initialism that is spoken as a word. So for the purists who say that it's only an acronym if its spoken as a word, it's an acronym if you pronounce it sequel, but not if you pronounce it ess-q-ell.

I heard something (probably apocryphal) a long time ago that Structured Query Language is actually a "backronym." The story was that when IBM created the language, they called their new language SEQUEL (possibly to position it as the replacement for QUEL), only to discover that SEQUEL was trademarked by another company. So they just removed the vowels and made it all uppercase, so it became SQL. Then, somebody came up with Structured Query Language to justify the letters used for the language name. Supposedly, to avoid lawsuits, IBM said that it should be pronounced ess-q-ell.
 
2018-07-13 02:37:55 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: simplicimus: Is Sybase still around?

Real databases run on Oracle.


Then on DB2 when it's time to play up with the big boys.
 
2018-07-13 03:34:11 AM  

gietmay: itcamefromschenectady: hashtag.acronym: Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?

Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)

I hate to explain a joke, but... There was another thread in which people wanted to argue about whether initialisms are a subset of acronyms or not. And "SQL" is sometimes pronounced as "Ess Que Ell" and sometimes as "Sequel". So I was hoping to get some controversy going.

Other way around, actually. Acronyms are a subset of initialisms. An acronym is an initialism that is spoken as a word. So for the purists who say that it's only an acronym if its spoken as a word, it's an acronym if you pronounce it sequel, but not if you pronounce it ess-q-ell.


It is not universally accepted that acronyms are initialisms. There are two different ways to look at it:

1) Consider things like Benelux or sonar, which are called acronyms, but are not initialisms, because they have more than just the first letters of words.

2) From the Wikipedia page on acronyms, they have a source that considers initialisms a subset of acronyms:
"A clearer distinction has also been drawn, by Pyles & Algeo (1970),[2] who divided acronyms as a general category into word acronyms pronounced as words, and initialisms sounded out as letters."

On the other hand, you may read that "initialism" as a term preceded "acronym" historically, so should be the more encompassing term.

Also,
"Some people feel strongly that acronym should only be used for terms like NATO, which is pronounced as a single word, and that initialism should be used if the individual letters are all pronounced distinctly, as with FBI. Our research shows that acronym is commonly used to refer to both types of abbreviations." - Merriam-Webster
 
2018-07-13 05:35:17 AM  
I'm really tired of the software subscription model and I'm really scared it will drift into the already handsy game market.

I need two licenses just for Acrobat Pro. It's a load of crap. Now you want me to pay for it annually? Adobe is a pack of thieves.

/cute you shoved things that used to be modal menus into the UI
//oops, that made them less usable
///fixed some bugs, but not for prior versions
 
2018-07-13 07:37:19 AM  
I'm staring at that server licensing myself and groaning at the overly complicated nature of it when it comes to virtual windows servers.  You can't just buy a license for the VM's OS...no oh no, you have to license the entire host cluster it could potentially run on, at a per-socket (and soon per-core) basis.  So even if I only have a couple windows VMs sprinkled across a vast cluster ESX hosts that's mainly running linux VMs I have to license each freakin host.  Me thinks I'll be splitting the cluster and park the windows ones in a little corner.

I remember when VMware tried to license per core...it did not go well for them and they reversed course.
 
2018-07-13 09:10:26 AM  
No, MySQL!
 
2018-07-13 11:17:42 AM  

BumpInTheNight: I'm staring at that server licensing myself and groaning at the overly complicated nature of it when it comes to virtual windows servers.  You can't just buy a license for the VM's OS...no oh no, you have to license the entire host cluster it could potentially run on, at a per-socket (and soon per-core) basis.  So even if I only have a couple windows VMs sprinkled across a vast cluster ESX hosts that's mainly running linux VMs I have to license each freakin host.  Me thinks I'll be splitting the cluster and park the windows ones in a little corner.

I remember when VMware tried to license per core...it did not go well for them and they reversed course.


How exactly does that work?  the vm notices when it switches host/cpu/cores?
 
2018-07-13 01:22:10 PM  

BafflerMeal: BumpInTheNight: I'm staring at that server licensing myself and groaning at the overly complicated nature of it when it comes to virtual windows servers.  You can't just buy a license for the VM's OS...no oh no, you have to license the entire host cluster it could potentially run on, at a per-socket (and soon per-core) basis.  So even if I only have a couple windows VMs sprinkled across a vast cluster ESX hosts that's mainly running linux VMs I have to license each freakin host.  Me thinks I'll be splitting the cluster and park the windows ones in a little corner.

I remember when VMware tried to license per core...it did not go well for them and they reversed course.

How exactly does that work?  the vm notices when it switches host/cpu/cores?


From how it was explained to me there's a new licensing engine coming along with some tool that will survey things to validate conformance.  This my personal conjecture here but picture something like volume licensing renewal phone-homes that's also scanning your hypervisors for compliance...honestly it just sounds like a shiat-show.
 
2018-07-13 01:24:05 PM  

BumpInTheNight: BafflerMeal: BumpInTheNight: I'm staring at that server licensing myself and groaning at the overly complicated nature of it when it comes to virtual windows servers.  You can't just buy a license for the VM's OS...no oh no, you have to license the entire host cluster it could potentially run on, at a per-socket (and soon per-core) basis.  So even if I only have a couple windows VMs sprinkled across a vast cluster ESX hosts that's mainly running linux VMs I have to license each freakin host.  Me thinks I'll be splitting the cluster and park the windows ones in a little corner.

I remember when VMware tried to license per core...it did not go well for them and they reversed course.

How exactly does that work?  the vm notices when it switches host/cpu/cores?

From how it was explained to me there's a new licensing engine coming along with some tool that will survey things to validate conformance.  This my personal conjecture here but picture something like volume licensing renewal phone-homes that's also scanning your hypervisors for compliance...honestly it just sounds like a shiat-show.


Yeah, that sounds terrible.  Haven't had to mess with that in two years or so, but may be moving back into it soon.  Does not sound fun.
 
2018-07-13 01:29:33 PM  

BafflerMeal: BumpInTheNight: BafflerMeal: BumpInTheNight: I'm staring at that server licensing myself and groaning at the overly complicated nature of it when it comes to virtual windows servers.  You can't just buy a license for the VM's OS...no oh no, you have to license the entire host cluster it could potentially run on, at a per-socket (and soon per-core) basis.  So even if I only have a couple windows VMs sprinkled across a vast cluster ESX hosts that's mainly running linux VMs I have to license each freakin host.  Me thinks I'll be splitting the cluster and park the windows ones in a little corner.

I remember when VMware tried to license per core...it did not go well for them and they reversed course.

How exactly does that work?  the vm notices when it switches host/cpu/cores?

From how it was explained to me there's a new licensing engine coming along with some tool that will survey things to validate conformance.  This my personal conjecture here but picture something like volume licensing renewal phone-homes that's also scanning your hypervisors for compliance...honestly it just sounds like a shiat-show.

Yeah, that sounds terrible.  Haven't had to mess with that in two years or so, but may be moving back into it soon.  Does not sound fun.


It has certainly caused me to question exactly how many MS servers I still need to run and specifically stink-eye any vendors who's software can only run on them...*gives glare at Solarwinds & Veeam etc*
 
2018-07-13 03:43:34 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: hashtag.acronym: Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?

Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)

I hate to explain a joke, but... There was another thread in which people wanted to argue about whether initialisms are a subset of acronyms or not. And "SQL" is sometimes pronounced as "Ess Que Ell" and sometimes as "Sequel". So I was hoping to get some controversy going.


If it helps any, I once saw a job posting for a "Sequel" programmer.
 
2018-07-13 07:24:59 PM  
Every software company is going to subscription based pricing, and as for my personal/home use it will be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, which results in me going to Linux and open source. With all the minor software products I use, plus the usual MS Windows/Office including Project and Visio, the subscription costs will add up to a few hundred or several hundred dollars per year. I'm not buying on to that BS.
 
2018-07-13 11:25:42 PM  

itcamefromschenectady: hashtag.acronym: Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?

Is wondering the same thing.
(yes, it is an acronym, and, yes, my username will check out)

I hate to explain a joke, but... There was another thread in which people wanted to argue about whether initialisms are a subset of acronyms or not. And "SQL" is sometimes pronounced as "Ess Que Ell" and sometimes as "Sequel". So I was hoping to get some controversy going.


Duck season!
 
2018-07-14 08:51:48 AM  

Gonz: itcamefromschenectady: Hey everybody...is SQL an acronym?

Structured Query Language. 

Is there a joke I'm missing?


I thought SQL stood for Shiat Qutta Luck.

/Oh and I think there's something wrong with your display driver
 
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