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2018-07-12 04:08:01 PM  
The other reason you shouldn't "find your passion" is that in practice, it means being at work all the time.

If you to to college and dispassionately choose a random major that yields a good career, like accounting, then you're going to have an arbitrary job that ends at 5pm that effectively funds whatever lifestyle you want to have off the clock.  You'll never proudly identify as an accountant, you'll identify as a parent or an avid spelunker or whatever it is people become when they aren't obsessed with their purpose in life.

On the other hand, you go to college and choose the major you're passionate about at the age of 18, like theater or anthropology, it means that your career is going to take complete priority over the rest of your life.  You will move across the country because there is a job doing what you do, you will make crap wages so that you can really be a paleontologist, and you'll be proofreading papers at midnight on a sunday because your job is something that you really are and it never turns off.
 
2018-07-12 04:42:18 PM  
<shrug>  My passion at 18 was to sing opera.  After getting a voice performance degree, I went to Library School to make decent money.  I love my job, and haven't sung in years.  Go figure.
 
2018-07-12 05:07:15 PM  
Mike Rowe approves.
 
2018-07-12 05:12:52 PM  
In the latest Chris Rock special he said something like "no one dreams of working in HR." Pretty much this.
 
2018-07-12 05:13:19 PM  
Flashdance still holds up. Beals and the stunt dancers are still sexy despite the clothing choices.

The key scenes make for a great post-bar YouTube dance party.
 
2018-07-12 05:14:16 PM  
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2018-07-12 05:14:48 PM  
♫♪... when we're dancing on the ceiling!♪♫

/sharp left turn
 
2018-07-12 05:17:51 PM  
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2018-07-12 05:20:24 PM  
Apparently the author's passion is a lot of words.
 
2018-07-12 05:20:33 PM  
It always bugged me when people told me I needed to love my job. I need to do good work at my job. I need to be pleasant to be around, so I am not that annoying co-worker no one wants to deal with. I need to show up on time. I do not need to love my job.
 
2018-07-12 05:24:26 PM  
Uh-huh.  Maybe I just don't want to load all the extra tracking and scripts that come with your article.

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2018-07-12 05:24:56 PM  
Follow you passion. However, don't quit your day job.
 
2018-07-12 05:28:02 PM  
When I was maybe 10 or 11, I disassembled a digital (flipping numbers, not LEDs) clock/radio that my mom had thrown away.  I admired the clock mechanism with a little disappointment that it wasn't more complicated, then turned my attention to the radio circuit board.  I'd torn many things apart before, but this time - while bending a ceramic disc capacitor back and forth until its 2 leads broke - I thought clearly to myself, "some day, I will know how all this works."

Well, I do.  But also along the way I discovered computers.  And in a lovely marriage of mechanics, electronics and computers, I've made my career since age 17 in and around the disciplines involved in automation.  And I'm at least mildly passionate about at least some of these things almost all the time.

But even so, sometimes when I find myself crawled up inside a dirty machine in a hot factory in some Trump-hole country because, though I supposedly the programmer I am also the only person who can troubleshoot the problem - well it does become hard to find the pulse on that passion.
 
2018-07-12 05:28:24 PM  

Xcott: If you to to college and dispassionately choose a random major that yields a good career, like accounting, then you're going to have an arbitrary job that ends at 5pm that effectively funds whatever lifestyle you want to have off the clock.


If you hate your 9-5 job to the point of dreading going to work every day, then you don't have a good career.
 
2018-07-12 05:31:19 PM  

harlock: Uh-huh.  Maybe I just don't want to load all the extra tracking and scripts that come with your article.

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FF w/ ublock origin and Disconnect plugins works just fine.
 
2018-07-12 05:35:05 PM  
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"Nobody's gonna put a medal on us. But get this straight - one job's as important as the next."

- The Hill (1965)
 
2018-07-12 05:35:25 PM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Apparently the author's paycheck is by the word.

 
2018-07-12 05:35:27 PM  

Spermbot: Xcott: If you to to college and dispassionately choose a random major that yields a good career, like accounting, then you're going to have an arbitrary job that ends at 5pm that effectively funds whatever lifestyle you want to have off the clock.

If you hate your 9-5 job to the point of dreading going to work every day, then you don't have a good career.


Agreed.  As an architect, I won't get rich, but I'm not watching the clock, either.  The work/life balance is still a challenge, however.
 
2018-07-12 05:35:30 PM  

harlock: [img.fark.net image 850x650]


"Looks like you are offline"? Did they have a mailman deliver that page to you?
 
2018-07-12 05:36:29 PM  
Whatever. Swing dancing is my passion and now it's my job. I worked hard to get to where I am and I love every minute of it. I teach, perform and choreograph so I'm quite fulfilled on all fronts, including the bank.

If it ever gets old, I'll go back to teaching English and dialect coaching. I didn't hate that either.
 
2018-07-12 05:38:36 PM  

Spermbot: Xcott: If you to to college and dispassionately choose a random major that yields a good career, like accounting, then you're going to have an arbitrary job that ends at 5pm that effectively funds whatever lifestyle you want to have off the clock.

If you hate your 9-5 job to the point of dreading going to work every day, then you don't have a good career.


And if you love your midnight to 7:30 am (part time no benefits) sweeping floors at Walmart do you have a good career or a bad career?
 
2018-07-12 05:39:18 PM  
No, work in something you're good at. I don't particularly care for what I do for a living, but I'm good at it and have been able to live relatively comfortably for 25 years and raise a family and build for retirement. I enjoy working on 2.3 turbo Fords, but I ain't retiring on that.
 
2018-07-12 05:40:28 PM  
Following your passion is like taking a run at someone who is way out of your league.   You might fall on your face, but you might also win the lottery.

Fortune favors the bold.
 
2018-07-12 05:42:25 PM  

studebaker hoch: Fortune favors the bold.


You just got farkied.
 
2018-07-12 05:45:59 PM  

SansNeural: When I was maybe 10 or 11, I disassembled a digital (flipping numbers, not LEDs) clock/radio that my mom had thrown away.  I admired the clock mechanism with a little disappointment that it wasn't more complicated, then turned my attention to the radio circuit board.  I'd torn many things apart before, but this time - while bending a ceramic disc capacitor back and forth until its 2 leads broke - I thought clearly to myself, "some day, I will know how all this works."

Well, I do.  But also along the way I discovered computers.  And in a lovely marriage of mechanics, electronics and computers, I've made my career since age 17 in and around the disciplines involved in automation.  And I'm at least mildly passionate about at least some of these things almost all the time.

But even so, sometimes when I find myself crawled up inside a dirty machine in a hot factory in some Trump-hole country because, though I supposedly the programmer I am also the only person who can troubleshoot the problem - well it does become hard to find the pulse on that passion.


While I don't share your specific knowledge and experience, I do know that being knowledgeable about a given process has it's own "I'm good at my job" kind of positive vibe.
It's good enough for me anyway.

An ex-gf of mine used to tell me that, at one point when she was a little girl, she told her dad that when she grew up she wanted to be a stripper. Her dad replied "then be the best stripper you can be."
 
2018-07-12 05:46:15 PM  

studebaker hoch: Following your passion is like taking a run at someone who is way out of your league.   You might fall on your face, but you might also win the lottery.

Fortune favors the bold.


Winning the lottery?  Nah.  You might get laid.  Or you might get beat up by her jealous boyfriend.
 
kab
2018-07-12 05:47:57 PM  
Part of the appeal of a passion is not associating reliance or catering to it.

Hence, old news.
 
2018-07-12 05:48:22 PM  
That's because our society only gives a fark about money. Happiness isn't a metric you can use in Excel so it's completely dismissed if not ridiculed. Things like arts and sciences aren't funded anymore unless it's capable of giving an immediate, measurable return.

If we paid as much attention to the "pursuit of happiness" bit as we did in trying to justify us being a "Christian nation" we'd have the kind of healthcare and support for people to try new things, and study fundamental science.

Instead we have a yuge chunk of society who's come to power thinking Trump is what success looks like, and that the only thing that matters is "winning," regardless of reality. We've taken the greediest, most humorless, and unimaginative people possible and not just held their hate and ignorance up as an ideal, but we've given them carte blanche to run things.

Until we can get that changed and value things like art, science, and knowledge, you are going to be seriously disadvantaged in following your passion instead of surviving long enough to enjoy your passion if possible.

/end rant
 
2018-07-12 05:49:06 PM  
If your passion and your job that pays okay intersects for you than my hats off to you.  For me, it doesn't work.  I tried my passion for a few years and found it hard to find work, or work that pays enough to survive on.  Forget it.  While pursuing that supposed passion, I learned that I actually had another passion - I don't enjoy being poor. In other words, getting a regular paycheck > pursuing a passion.

Went back to my stable job working for the man.  It ain't exciting but  I also don't worry as much anymore either.
 
2018-07-12 05:52:52 PM  

studebaker hoch: Following your passion is like taking a run at someone who is way out of your league.   You might fall on your face, but you might also win the lottery.

Fortune favors the bold.


Sure but this isn't the movies. This isn't hitting on the hottest girl in the club.  Falling on your face in real life may mean poverty, bankruptcy and many other unpleasant things.  You think you're the lucky one of a hundred?   A thousand?
 
2018-07-12 05:53:27 PM  
That's how I got stuck dancing for my life.
 
2018-07-12 05:56:39 PM  
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2018-07-12 06:06:04 PM  
I'm glad I didn't take the "follow your passion advice".  Even though I liked doing artsy things when I was in high school, I failed art class because I was terrible at doing them to someone else's specifications.  So when people said I should major in art since I liked it so much, I felt like that was just going to take something I liked and turn it into a chore.

So instead I decided to major in something that I could tolerate doing for 8 hours a day that would also pay me enough to do the things I wanted to do on my own time.  So now I'm a software engineer and do art in my free time, and it's worked out pretty well.
 
2018-07-12 06:06:48 PM  
nothing kills my interest in my passions more than feeling obligated to profit off of them. Completely ruins my desires when you have to cave to popularity for sales.
 
2018-07-12 06:07:05 PM  

grokca: That's how I got stuck dancing for my life.


/pictures a dude with two revolvers firing shots at your feet
 
2018-07-12 06:09:19 PM  
I love my work. Those who do not should be jealous. I am very lucky that way.

But I don't think this is how it should always be. My bro is a musician. Very talented. Tried making money off of it, didn't enjoy it. Works as a bartender, which he is good at, and makes the music he wants to make.

I would say for a career less follow your passion and more follow your talents. Doing what you are good at can be very rewarding. If your talents are accounting, do accounting, if it is people, do people work, if you're organized and efficient and like order and neat forms, go work HR or whatever.
 
2018-07-12 06:12:08 PM  
I do not live to work.   I work to live.
 
2018-07-12 06:12:46 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: Spermbot: Xcott: If you to to college and dispassionately choose a random major that yields a good career, like accounting, then you're going to have an arbitrary job that ends at 5pm that effectively funds whatever lifestyle you want to have off the clock.

If you hate your 9-5 job to the point of dreading going to work every day, then you don't have a good career.

And if you love your midnight to 7:30 am (part time no benefits) sweeping floors at Walmart do you have a good career or a bad career?


job ≠ career
 
2018-07-12 06:14:50 PM  

studebaker hoch: Following your passion is like taking a run at someone who is way out of your league.   You might fall on your face, but you might also win the lottery.

Fortune favors the bold.


Is THAT how the phrase "starving artist" entered the vernacular?
 
2018-07-12 06:21:49 PM  

Spermbot: If you hate your 9-5 job to the point of dreading going to work every day, then you don't have a good career.


But what does that have to do with anything?  People who choose accounting because "it's a good job" are not going to dread going to work every day, even though the job isn't some soul-affirming lifelong passion.  It's more likely they will enjoy work if they chose a college major specifically for the marketability of the degree in a job market.

Meanwhile, a job that follows your passion is still going to be lots of paperwork and crap that you'd rather not do, because the whole point of a job is that you have to pay people to do it.  It's a little sad to see dedicated and talented intellectuals go all the way to a PhD and a faculty position and then find out they have to spend 6 years writing grant applications.
 
2018-07-12 06:24:51 PM  
Find what makes you a lot of money. Then continue your passion for drinking.
 
2018-07-12 06:27:09 PM  

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This is what robots are for.
 
2018-07-12 06:34:42 PM  
I am one of those people with a short attention span, where the thing that I am passionate about changes every six to twelve months.  If I followed my passion I'd be well into my 15th to 20th career direction right now.

So I do a job that I've become pretty good at over the years.  It's never the same thing from day to day so I don't get bored  There are days I look forward to going in and days that I dread getting out of bed.  All in all I figure it's not a bad gig.
 
kab
2018-07-12 06:39:12 PM  
studebaker hoch:
Fortune favors the bold.

Statistically, bankruptcy favors the bold.   But if motivational posters are your thing, go with it.
 
2018-07-12 06:42:21 PM  

Xcott: People who choose accounting because "it's a good job" are not going to dread going to work every day, even though the job isn't some soul-affirming lifelong passion.


I assume you can back this up with evidence, even anecdotal.  Oh wait, this is Fark, so you're just making shiat up.  You can be good at a profession and still hate doing it.  Think about all the frustrated artists in user interface design and commercial graphic design.
 
2018-07-12 06:44:23 PM  

whitroth: Follow you passion. However, don't quit your day job.


Dad?
 
2018-07-12 06:51:44 PM  

Spermbot: Xcott: People who choose accounting because "it's a good job" are not going to dread going to work every day, even though the job isn't some soul-affirming lifelong passion.

I assume you can back this up with evidence, even anecdotal.  Oh wait, this is Fark, so you're just making shiat up.  You can be good at a profession and still hate doing it.  Think about all the frustrated artists in user interface design and commercial graphic design.


Well, accountants might not hate the actual accounting. They can easily hate crappy clients, toxic coworkers, demeaning superiors, whatever.

Most every job I dreaded was because of the people, not the job. No, that isn't everyone's dread, but it is pretty common a reason to dislike your daily work life.
 
2018-07-12 07:00:12 PM  

Spermbot: I assume you can back this up with evidence, even anecdotal. Oh wait, this is Fark, so you're just making shiat up. You can be good at a profession and still hate doing it. Think about all the frustrated artists in user interface design and commercial graphic design.


You're debunking your own argument:  artists who end up in graphic design are not an example of people who dispassionately choose a "career oriented" major such as accounting.  Rather, they are a classic example of people shunted into a square job based on a college major that followed from their "passion" in life.

I think it's pretty obvious that if you base your choice of major on a bunch of research into average job satisfaction, pay and benefits, job security and availability, you're more likely to like your job and have a happy life versus someone who dives into psychology or theater regardless of career prospects, because it was totally what they were into at the age of 18.
 
2018-07-12 07:12:14 PM  
My passion is to be a mindless cog in a bureaucratic machine with a good salary, benefits, and pension.
 
2018-07-12 07:15:12 PM  
The truth is, most jobs are boring. Many are shiatty and pay accordingly. If you don't absolutely hate going to work every day and make decent bank, that's a win. I don't love my job, but I don't hate it.

Many of the people who have jobs they "love" are in those jobs because they married a rich guy or are the offspring of a rich guy. The rest have jobs they love that don't pay very well. Which is fine, but if you want to make a decent living, you're probably gonna have to do something that is not terribly exciting. But shiat needs to get done. There aren't that many ice cream tasting jobs out there.

If you can find a job you genuinely love that also pays pretty well, good for you. Most people aren't able to do that. If work was so farking great, the rich would have kept it all to themselves.
 
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