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2018-07-12 05:17:04 PM  
Giggity tag must have been carjacked
 
2018-07-12 06:12:38 PM  
He's an entreprenuer.
 
2018-07-12 06:26:25 PM  
That wasn't a bad article. Can't really muster much sympathy for the dealerships. Once it's sold it's really none of their business if it gets resold.
 
2018-07-12 06:30:36 PM  
I know how I'm paying for that new Barrett.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2018-07-12 06:32:45 PM  
I've never had to sign a non-export agreement. I must be buying low class cars.
 
2018-07-12 06:35:01 PM  

ZAZ: I've never had to sign a non-export agreement. I must be buying low class cars.


Nobody's paying top dollar for an American Honda.
 
2018-07-12 06:35:49 PM  
What is with that Range Rover commercial? 30 seconds of barking dogs.
 
2018-07-12 06:40:16 PM  
Quite frankly only criminals here are the car companies
 
2018-07-12 06:44:06 PM  
I read that article out loud with a southern drawl. Give it a try, it's fun!
 
2018-07-12 06:45:55 PM  
Heck, I'd hire attorneys to buy the cars, handle the paperwork and title them in the name of a blind trust and never reveal my identity directly.

Because I did that with my last car while I was fighting GM in court with a lemon law case, and came across a deal too good to pass up.
 
2018-07-12 06:46:35 PM  
I have a perfect work around for this. You pay for the luxury vehicle, but I get to will drive them around for a month before you export them and buy me the next one.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, just to make it look more legit.

/eip
//call me
///can we start with an Aston Martin?
 
2018-07-12 06:48:03 PM  

astelmaszek: Quite frankly only criminals here are the car companies


I'm pretty sure the guys taking the cars off of our straw buyers' hands are criminals - just a wild-ass guess.  Smugglers have never been the biggest bunch of creampuffs, historically.
 
2018-07-12 06:49:37 PM  
Hmmm, fascinating.
 
2018-07-12 06:52:48 PM  

Schlubbe: I have a perfect work around for this. You pay for the luxury vehicle, but I get to will drive them around for a month before you export them and buy me the next one.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, just to make it look more legit.

/eip
//call me
///can we start with an Aston Martin?


With the "usual refinements?"
 
2018-07-12 06:53:18 PM  
Rare "reference to the odometer rollback scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off" trifecta in play.
 
2018-07-12 07:08:22 PM  

awruk!: Schlubbe: I have a perfect work around for this. You pay for the luxury vehicle, but I get to will drive them around for a month before you export them and buy me the next one.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, just to make it look more legit.

/eip
//call me
///can we start with an Aston Martin?

With the "usual refinements?"


Their choice - I can't imagine the base model DB11 would be too awful
 
2018-07-12 07:08:27 PM  

hissatsu: That wasn't a bad article. Can't really muster much sympathy for the dealerships. Once it's sold it's really none of their business if it gets resold.


They only care because the manufacturers care, and can squash them like a bug.

A sale is a sale for the dealer.
 
2018-07-12 07:08:51 PM  

awruk!: Schlubbe: I have a perfect work around for this. You pay for the luxury vehicle, but I get to will drive them around for a month before you export them and buy me the next one.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, just to make it look more legit.

/eip
//call me
///can we start with an Aston Martin?

With the "usual refinements?"


"Handsome Rob" agrees.

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2018-07-12 07:10:15 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I read that article out loud with a southern drawl. Give it a try, it's fun!


That's how I speak so every article is read in that accent.

Or I read in Morgan Freeman.

Now y'all are reading this in Morgan Freeman's voice.
 
2018-07-12 07:13:13 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: astelmaszek: Quite frankly only criminals here are the car companies

I'm pretty sure the guys taking the cars off of our straw buyers' hands are criminals - just a wild-ass guess.  Smugglers have never been the biggest bunch of creampuffs, historically.


Its not smuggling. Its companies doing shady BS like minimum advertised pricing or region locking. All the paperwork is legal and proper. You can legally sxport whatever you want if you pay duties and customs fees. All they can do is refuse to do business with you IF and when they catch you.

/I bought a GMC 2500 tooled around with it for 4 months and shipped it to my neighbor, who lives in norway for $10k more than I paid for it. The $65k truck will cost him about $80k to import as a used vehicle. If he bought it in norway it would've been closer to $140k due to taxes and fees.
//use a broker. Its worth the money.
///thats the only car ive ever exported and i didnt do it explicitly for flipping. Just a good opprotunity to help a friend.
 
2018-07-12 07:18:05 PM  
Can I grey market the movie rights?
 
2018-07-12 07:24:08 PM  
This article right after a Cameron Frye headline? We have a Ferris Bueller odometer trifecta in play.
 
2018-07-12 07:27:30 PM  
" hotter than two hamsters farting in a wool sock "

Snert.
 
2018-07-12 07:28:43 PM  
Ferris Bueller odometer rollback scene comment trifecta complete!
 
2018-07-12 07:31:05 PM  
Aside from the shadiness and the lack of details, that article was an interesting read.
 
2018-07-12 07:32:07 PM  

Schlubbe: awruk!: Schlubbe: I have a perfect work around for this. You pay for the luxury vehicle, but I get to will drive them around for a month before you export them and buy me the next one.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, just to make it look more legit.

/eip
//call me
///can we start with an Aston Martin?

With the "usual refinements?"

Their choice - I can't imagine the base model DB11 would be too awful


Not the Aston Martin anymore, but still had the usual refinements...

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2018-07-12 07:36:03 PM  
You mean there are actual car dealers that don't try to steal your identity to help fund their penchant for smoking oxy pills?
 
2018-07-12 07:57:22 PM  
Great now everyone knows just because one guy gets spiteful when he's cut off.
 
2018-07-12 07:57:47 PM  
Murder Inc 1960
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2018-07-12 08:05:02 PM  

awruk!: Schlubbe: I have a perfect work around for this. You pay for the luxury vehicle, but I get to will drive them around for a month before you export them and buy me the next one.

It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, just to make it look more legit.

/eip
//call me
///can we start with an Aston Martin?

With the "usual refinements?"


I'm not sure they are true smugglers. I'm fairly positive the cars get exported, legally on a certificate, 25% import duty gets paid in China, cars are not stolen. They are simply exploiting Range Rovers insane pricing in China that has nothing to do with the import duty. 25% import duty does not normally triple a price of a car.
 
2018-07-12 08:10:20 PM  
I wonder....If you did this just once a year it could easily pay for a nice two-week vacation anywhere in the world every year.
 
2018-07-12 08:28:41 PM  
This article probably killed the commission for doing it.

Now there's gonna be thousands of people lining up to flip cars, and the commission will drop to $50, and with the time you put in it'll be less than minimum wage.
 
2018-07-12 08:35:02 PM  

aseras: Just a good opprotunity to help a friend.


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2018-07-12 08:50:30 PM  
That was very interesting.

Kind of curious how the TSA guy found the check though.

"When I got to the front of the security line with no luggage and a six-figure cashier's check, the TSA agent had some questions."
 
2018-07-12 09:07:58 PM  
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Wonder if this would work on fleet deals.
 
2018-07-12 09:08:44 PM  

edmo: That was very interesting.

Kind of curious how the TSA guy found the check though.

"When I got to the front of the security line with no luggage and a six-figure cashier's check, the TSA agent had some questions."


They show up/stand out on the X-ray.
 
2018-07-12 09:08:54 PM  
It's like the gig economy but for criminals

Where's the crime ?
How is this different from getting j-spec cars in North America ?
 
2018-07-12 09:09:43 PM  

Facts_are_for_losers: aseras: Just a good opprotunity to help a friend.

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I didnt skim jack. That was the deal we settled on and was actually less than what he offered. It wasnt just sell truck, pocket money either. I had to do a farkton of paperwork and certifications and inspections. Lots of hours on the phone with lawyers and brokers. 10k is about right.

Anyways, dudes a billionaire. He can afford to throw me some bones. He couldve bought 50 of them full price. Buying my truck saved him 60% off and made me money. Its a win win.
 
2018-07-12 09:23:26 PM  
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2018-07-12 09:50:10 PM  
So basically China puts high enough tarifs on things so that this makes more sense than just buying the cars from the manufacturers (I don't blame manufacturers for not wanting to set up shop in China.  China tends to steal intellectual property.)  But then China's other hand realizes that people really want these cars so they make it easy to import them as long as it's not the manufacturer importing them.  I suspect the manufacturers are upset because they aren't getting the markup that the Chinese market gets and are worried that the Chinese government might crack down on them for the exports that they make above board.  So in the end the whole thing is more difficult because China's government is having a moment of multiple personality disorder.

I need more math.  How much does it cost to buy a car straight from the manufacturer... how much of that goes to the manufacturer and how much of that is paid as a tariff.  Does the manufacturer make more selling to the Chinese market directly and they are upset someone is getting around that?  Or are they under pressure from the Chinese government not to allow imports because the Chinese government doesn't want a ton of imports if they don't get to do more of the manufacturing?
 
2018-07-12 09:59:20 PM  

aseras: Anyways, dudes a billionaire. He can afford to throw me some bones. He couldve bought 50 of them full price. Buying my truck saved him 60% off and made me money. Its a win win.


Why does a billionaire care about saving a few ten thousand on a pickup truck?
 
2018-07-12 10:09:33 PM  

DarkVader: This article probably killed the commission for doing it.

Now there's gonna be thousands of people lining up to flip cars, and the commission will drop to $50, and with the time you put in it'll be less than minimum wage.


This isn't the first article I've seen about this either.  Other articles made it seem more illegal though, painting the export companies as predatory and the typical straw buyer as a schlub.  The paperwork you sign at the dealership that says you won't sell it probably is legally binding. Even if it it is totally legal to do this,  im guessing since Im reading it the market has long since died.
 
2018-07-12 10:13:12 PM  

ZAZ: I've never had to sign a non-export agreement. I must be buying low class cars.


Sort of like multi-unit products with individual portions labelled "not labelled for resale", and people resell them anyway.
 
2018-07-12 10:14:18 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: The paperwork you sign at the dealership that says you won't sell it probably is legally binding.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsc​i​onability
 
2018-07-12 10:25:18 PM  

mrmopar5287: Just another Heartland Weirdass: The paperwork you sign at the dealership that says you won't sell it probably is legally binding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsci​onability


Doesn't appear to rise to that level, but Im not an attorney.  Any examples of this as it applies to exporting cars?
 
2018-07-12 10:29:09 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: Hmmm, fascinating.


Yes.  Jersey. EIP.
 
2018-07-12 10:29:42 PM  

mrmopar5287: aseras: Anyways, dudes a billionaire. He can afford to throw me some bones. He couldve bought 50 of them full price. Buying my truck saved him 60% off and made me money. Its a win win.

Why does a billionaire care about saving a few ten thousand on a pickup truck?


How do you think he got to be a billionaire?

/ kidding
// but being frugal is a good way to save the money necessary to invest to make more money
 
2018-07-12 10:31:58 PM  

mrmopar5287: aseras: Anyways, dudes a billionaire. He can afford to throw me some bones. He couldve bought 50 of them full price. Buying my truck saved him 60% off and made me money. Its a win win.

Why does a billionaire care about saving a few ten thousand on a pickup truck?


He liked it and we are neighbors. He's driven it and was used to it. I spent Christmas and New Years with them. I rewired his house when it got struck by lightning last summer.

He asked if he could buy it, and we got talking. He'd have to special order one to Norway and no idea what He'd get. The taxes and fees are nearly 100% of the cost of a new truck, especially trucks and commercial vehicles. A $65k truck with a V8 in the US is > $250k in Norway. The only exceptions are electric cars which are tax free until 2020. Hence why they are so popular there. Importing a used truck is an easy way to wipe a substantial portion of it away.

He didn't get to be a billionaire by being loose with his money.
 
2018-07-12 10:43:23 PM  

aseras: He'd have to special order one to Norway and no idea what He'd get.


Isn't a special order picking out exactly what you want?
 
2018-07-12 11:05:39 PM  

mrmopar5287: aseras: He'd have to special order one to Norway and no idea what He'd get.

Isn't a special order picking out exactly what you want?


Yes, but if you don't know what you want the amount of choice can be almost paralyzing.

Give the wrong customers too much choice and they'll just walk away from the sale.
 
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