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2018-07-12 07:55:31 AM  
U.S. soybean exports to China* were already down 22 percent through the first five months of this year, and the great fear among growers is that they could end up permanently losing market share there as buyers there shift to other suppliers, particularly Brazil, while Trump's trade conflict wears on. The president wants the farm belt to believe he's coming to its rescue. Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it.

I think the author might want to interview a farmer or two before coming to that conclusion.
 
2018-07-12 08:11:21 AM  
Trump is gaslighting soybean farmers everyone.

FTFY subby.
 
2018-07-12 08:28:14 AM  
I first heard the term "gasligting" from Dennis Miller pre-batshiat crazy in a horror movie and I thought, "hey, a relatively obscure 1940s movie reference (he used to do references like that before his audience became illiterate pig farkers). Nowadays it's generally misused.

Having said that, soy farmers don't seem like the type that it'd be all that difficult to screw over.
 
2018-07-12 08:34:15 AM  
Trump found the perfect audience to gaslight, the evangelicals. They were brought up to to be gaslit, as in "god is going to send you to hell, but he loves you." It's just like the Gaslighting parent who says "this hurts me more than it does you."

Many bread basket farmers subscribe to evangelical beliefs.

Having said that, after awhile, the Gaslighting won't work any more when it comes to real world consequences like losing the farm, having a chronically hungry belly. Those real world consequences will have an impact.

The Gaslighting will continue to come into play if the republicans continue to scapegoat the immigrants. But after a while that might not work either as immigrants are the ones who actually do most of the farm hand work.

So it's going to suck for them in two ways. No markets to sell to and no immigrants to do the GRUNT work.

We live in interesting times.
 
2018-07-12 08:41:23 AM  
My girlfriend's uncle is in plastics and a lot of the manufacturing is done in China. His company has taken a huge nosedive in the past 3 months. Yesterday he and her dad were talking about how the tariffs were the right call because you "have to shake things up"

He's literally voting himself to death.
 
2018-07-12 08:46:25 AM  
This is fine because farmers usually have a cushion of money they can rely on if they have several lean years in a row.  This cushion is called, "Well, I'm bankrupt"...
 
2018-07-12 08:55:11 AM  
Maybe the corollary to "buy American" is "sell American"?

If you're a farmer or manufacturer and think about how limiting your market to the US would affect you, maybe you'll understand how the inverse affects buyers. Maybe we just don't need that many soybean farmers if we're going to be isolationist.
 
2018-07-12 09:22:13 AM  
And they'll still love him even after the banks take their farms. Because they're patriots.
 
2018-07-12 09:23:09 AM  

Ambivalence: Trump is gaslighting soybean farmers everyone.

FTFY subby.


Done.  End of thread.  Anything else we say would be a retread.
 
2018-07-12 09:23:17 AM  

itsdan: Maybe the corollary to "buy American" is "sell American"?

If you're a farmer or manufacturer and think about how limiting your market to the US would affect you, maybe you'll understand how the inverse affects buyers. Maybe we just don't need that many soybean farmers if we're going to be isolationist.


Big Ag will supply all our nutritional needs. Trust them.
 
2018-07-12 09:23:57 AM  
 "Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it."

Translation: "I have not been paying attention. At all."
 
2018-07-12 09:24:31 AM  

itsdan: Maybe the corollary to "buy American" is "sell American"?

If you're a farmer or manufacturer and think about how limiting your market to the US would affect you, maybe you'll understand how the inverse affects buyers. Maybe we just don't need that many soybean farmers if we're going to be isolationist.


They should develop Edamame Butter, and steal market share from the peanut farmers.


Yum, edamame butter and jellyfish sandwhiches!
 
2018-07-12 09:24:35 AM  
lol soyboys owned
 
2018-07-12 09:25:29 AM  
Nah, Trump is using farmers losses to gain deals for his daughter and himself in China.

Dictators do those kinds of things between themselves.
 
2018-07-12 09:25:47 AM  
"Trump is right on the narrow point that prices for soybeans have fallen by around half since 2012. But that really has nothing to do with trade barriers by other countries, as he suggests. Crop prices have plunged because of a worldwide boom in farming production that's led to a giant commodity glut."

And the soybean farmers should know this. So those who still support Shiathole fall into one or both of two groups.

1) They don't know this, because they are so stupid they can barely find their way out of the bathroom in the morning
2) They ignore it because they're in a cult

Either way, it's perfectly fine with me if they lose their farms and go on a downward spiral that leads to an early grave. The sooner they can no longer vote for shiatholes, the better.
 
2018-07-12 09:26:06 AM  

Astorix: Trump found the perfect audience to gaslight, the evangelicals. They were brought up to to be gaslit, as in "god is going to send you to hell, but he loves you." It's just like the Gaslighting parent who says "this hurts me more than it does you."

Many bread basket farmers subscribe to evangelical beliefs.

Having said that, after awhile, the Gaslighting won't work any more when it comes to real world consequences like losing the farm, having a chronically hungry belly. Those real world consequences will have an impact.

The Gaslighting will continue to come into play if the republicans continue to scapegoat the immigrants. But after a while that might not work either as immigrants are the ones who actually do most of the farm hand work.

So it's going to suck for them in two ways. No markets to sell to and no immigrants to do the GRUNT work.

We live in interesting times.


They can die off for all I care. As long as they don't try to migrate to the Northeast. The last thing we need is to get infected with their stupid.
 
2018-07-12 09:26:47 AM  
Trump is a con man and half of America is his mark.
 
2018-07-12 09:26:52 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: My girlfriend's uncle is in plastics and a lot of the manufacturing is done in China. His company has taken a huge nosedive in the past 3 months. Yesterday he and her dad were talking about how the tariffs were the right call because you "have to shake things up"

He's literally voting himself to death.


Stupid gonna stoop.
 
2018-07-12 09:27:02 AM  
Republicans need drink more soy lattes.
 
2018-07-12 09:27:26 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: "Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it."

Translation: "I have not been paying attention. At all."


I'd love it if there was some brand new evidence to support that claim, but I'm not seeing it.
 
2018-07-12 09:27:53 AM  
Well, with no Soybeans farms, we can turn all those out of work farm folk into soylent green to replace the lost protein.

Hey farmers, fark you.
 
2018-07-12 09:29:24 AM  
And they'll thank him for it and vote for him again. Take that, libulardos!
 
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2018-07-12 09:29:43 AM  

pueblonative: U.S. soybean exports to China* were already down 22 percent through the first five months of this year, and the great fear among growers is that they could end up permanently losing market share there as buyers there shift to other suppliers, particularly Brazil, while Trump's trade conflict wears on. The president wants the farm belt to believe he's coming to its rescue. Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it.

I think the author might want to interview a farmer or two before coming to that conclusion.


I came here to say this exact thing. Leaving exasperated.
 
2018-07-12 09:29:49 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: My girlfriend's uncle is in plastics and a lot of the manufacturing is done in China. His company has taken a huge nosedive in the past 3 months. Yesterday he and her dad were talking about how the tariffs were the right call because you "have to shake things up"

He's literally voting himself to death.


The only explanation I can think of is that uncle is either close to retirement and/or accomplished enough that he knows he can leave for the competition at any time, and doesn't care if his colleagues take the fall.
 
2018-07-12 09:31:42 AM  
Until an actual Asian person hands over a check to buy soybeans, most soybean farmers won't understand that's where his market is going to.
 
2018-07-12 09:33:22 AM  

Scanty Em: "Trump is right on the narrow point that prices for soybeans have fallen by around half since 2012. But that really has nothing to do with trade barriers by other countries, as he suggests. Crop prices have plunged because of a worldwide boom in farming production that's led to a giant commodity glut."

And the soybean farmers should know this. So those who still support Shiathole fall into one or both of two groups.

1) They don't know this, because they are so stupid they can barely find their way out of the bathroom in the morning
2) They ignore it because they're in a cult

Either way, it's perfectly fine with me if they lose their farms and go on a downward spiral that leads to an early grave. The sooner they can no longer vote for shiatholes, the better.


Bingo.
 
2018-07-12 09:33:54 AM  

I'm an Egyptian!: Astorix: Trump found the perfect audience to gaslight, the evangelicals. They were brought up to to be gaslit, as in "god is going to send you to hell, but he loves you." It's just like the Gaslighting parent who says "this hurts me more than it does you."

Many bread basket farmers subscribe to evangelical beliefs.

Having said that, after awhile, the Gaslighting won't work any more when it comes to real world consequences like losing the farm, having a chronically hungry belly. Those real world consequences will have an impact.

The Gaslighting will continue to come into play if the republicans continue to scapegoat the immigrants. But after a while that might not work either as immigrants are the ones who actually do most of the farm hand work.

So it's going to suck for them in two ways. No markets to sell to and no immigrants to do the GRUNT work.

We live in interesting times.

They can die off for all I care. As long as they don't try to migrate to the Northeast. The last thing we need is to get infected with their stupid.


Counterpoint:

Rural Pennsylvania
 
2018-07-12 09:35:07 AM  

Mugato: Nowadays it's generally misused.


It's misused in this article too.  Gaslighting is far more subtle than what Trump does.  Trump just lies.
 
2018-07-12 09:35:31 AM  
If you have been paying attention and reading articles related to this, you will note that soybean growers groups quoted in the paper all express their concern over trade, but refuse to criticize Trump (often adding a quote praising him).

They will get what they voted for. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
2018-07-12 09:37:39 AM  

pueblonative: U.S. soybean exports to China* were already down 22 percent through the first five months of this year, and the great fear among growers is that they could end up permanently losing market share there as buyers there shift to other suppliers, particularly Brazil, while Trump's trade conflict wears on. The president wants the farm belt to believe he's coming to its rescue. Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it.

I think the author might want to interview a farmer or two before coming to that conclusion.


Well, he just may. An October surprise in the form of price floors for soybeans and pork---with any surplus being bought by Uncle Sam and burnt at taxpayer expense---won't surprise me at all.

A shameless transfer of wealth to Trumpistanis, in other words. Heaven forbid consumers in urban Clintonia---least of all "urban" consumers---get cheap groceries.
 
2018-07-12 09:37:42 AM  

RexTalionis: If you have been paying attention and reading articles related to this, you will note that soybean growers groups quoted in the paper all express their concern over trade, but refuse to criticize Trump (often adding a quote praising him).

They will get what they voted for. Nothing more, nothing less.


It is easier to con people than to get them to admit that they got conned.  That is why there will always be conmen among us.
 
2018-07-12 09:39:51 AM  
Got news for ya soybean farmers - the Mandarin Maniac has been gaslighting the sh*t out of you since the summer of 2015... and you've been falling for it.

In this case you truly do reap what you sow.
 
2018-07-12 09:41:23 AM  

RexTalionis: If you have been paying attention and reading articles related to this, you will note that soybean growers groups quoted in the paper all express their concern over trade, but refuse to criticize Trump (often adding a quote praising him).

They will get what they voted for. Nothing more, nothing less.


Pretty much.

"Its terrible we're losing money, but Trump's doing the right thing, and we know he'll take care of us."
 
2018-07-12 09:41:38 AM  
Isn't it going to be awesome how the President will help to solve this crisis for the farmers that he himself manufactured?
 
2018-07-12 09:42:35 AM  
The president wants the farm belt to believe he's coming to its rescue. Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it.

Yes they will because her e-mails and the half black President and the Constitution and forced abortions and Pelosi wears stilettos from China and Democrats will socialize the entire Agriculture industry and it'll be like 1950's Soviet Russia because farmers will be forced to grow tater tots for export to Canada.
 
2018-07-12 09:43:46 AM  
What gaslighting might look like.
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2018-07-12 09:44:40 AM  
Trump:  The government will buy up those soybeans and turn them in to, I dunno, steel.  And that'll help the farmers and the steel industry.  Am I the greatest president or what?  This will all be paid for by the kids.  Don't worry about the kids.  They'll be fine.
 
2018-07-12 09:47:38 AM  

Mugato: I first heard the term "gasligting" from Dennis Miller pre-batshiat crazy in a horror movie and I thought, "hey, a relatively obscure 1940s movie reference (he used to do references like that before his audience became illiterate pig farkers). Nowadays it's generally misused.

Having said that, soy farmers don't seem like the type that it'd be all that difficult to screw over.


I live in WI, where soybeans are a major agricultural export. Soy farmers are like a lot of farmers, dumb as f&ck.
 
2018-07-12 09:48:34 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: Trump:  The government will buy up those soybeans and turn them in to, I dunno, steel.  And that'll help the farmers and the steel industry.  Am I the greatest president or what?  This will all be paid for by the kids.  Don't worry about the kids.  They'll be fine.


You know....this sounds like something a Trump supporter would say to the Daily Show after a rally.
 
2018-07-12 09:49:21 AM  
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Something tells me soy farmers know what's happened to the price of their product since Trump started his trade war.  I am sure they rationalize the assfarking their going to take by convincing themselves, "it's for the greater good."
 
2018-07-12 09:49:24 AM  

DORMAMU: I'm an Egyptian!: Astorix: Trump found the perfect audience to gaslight, the evangelicals. They were brought up to to be gaslit, as in "god is going to send you to hell, but he loves you." It's just like the Gaslighting parent who says "this hurts me more than it does you."

Many bread basket farmers subscribe to evangelical beliefs.

Having said that, after awhile, the Gaslighting won't work any more when it comes to real world consequences like losing the farm, having a chronically hungry belly. Those real world consequences will have an impact.

The Gaslighting will continue to come into play if the republicans continue to scapegoat the immigrants. But after a while that might not work either as immigrants are the ones who actually do most of the farm hand work.

So it's going to suck for them in two ways. No markets to sell to and no immigrants to do the GRUNT work.

We live in interesting times.

They can die off for all I care. As long as they don't try to migrate to the Northeast. The last thing we need is to get infected with their stupid.

Counterpoint:

Rural Pennsylvania


That's Pennsyltucky to you, bub,

The common clay
 
2018-07-12 09:52:19 AM  
Soybeans are a delicious side dish for an entree of faces. Nine out of ten leopards agree.
 
2018-07-12 09:52:31 AM  
Astorix:
Having said that, after awhile, the Gaslighting won't work any more when it comes to real world consequences like losing the farm, having a chronically hungry belly. Those real world consequences will have an impact.

Which will be the fault of liberals, immigrants, educated elitists and e-mails.
 
2018-07-12 09:55:18 AM  
I'm surprised it took Trump this long to blame everything-but-his-trade-war for the farmers' plight.
 
2018-07-12 09:56:07 AM  
Trump's policies have been a rousing success for farmers*.

*Living in Brazil
 
2018-07-12 09:56:15 AM  
And they still won't admit they made a mistake, f*ck 'em

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2018-07-12 09:56:30 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Mugato: I first heard the term "gasligting" from Dennis Miller pre-batshiat crazy in a horror movie and I thought, "hey, a relatively obscure 1940s movie reference (he used to do references like that before his audience became illiterate pig farkers). Nowadays it's generally misused.

Having said that, soy farmers don't seem like the type that it'd be all that difficult to screw over.

I live in WI, where soybeans are a major agricultural export. Soy farmers are like a lot of farmers, dumb as f&ck.


My grandmother regularly tells tales of her father the dairy Farmer, who was nearly ruined by safety regulations.

He had to put lights in his milking barn! He was told he couldn't just leave a pile cowshiat in there! The farm nearly closed!

And there's more.
 
2018-07-12 09:57:31 AM  

Colour_out_of_Space: Astorix:
Having said that, after awhile, the Gaslighting won't work any more when it comes to real world consequences like losing the farm, having a chronically hungry belly. Those real world consequences will have an impact.

Which will be the fault of liberals, immigrants, educated elitists and e-mails.


She is hungry... and blaming it on someone other than Trump...
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2018-07-12 09:58:04 AM  

pueblonative: U.S. soybean exports to China* were already down 22 percent through the first five months of this year, and the great fear among growers is that they could end up permanently losing market share there as buyers there shift to other suppliers, particularly Brazil, while Trump's trade conflict wears on. The president wants the farm belt to believe he's coming to its rescue. Somehow, I doubt farmers are going to buy it.

I think the author might want to interview a farmer or two before coming to that conclusion.


CBS did, this morning.

He was about as confident as I'd expect a man who is about to lose the family farm due to making a bad bet on a horse; supremely.
 
2018-07-12 10:00:34 AM  

misterdonkeywhole: cameroncrazy1984: My girlfriend's uncle is in plastics and a lot of the manufacturing is done in China. His company has taken a huge nosedive in the past 3 months. Yesterday he and her dad were talking about how the tariffs were the right call because you "have to shake things up"

He's literally voting himself to death.

Stupid gonna stoop.


It all comes down to Stigginit™ . So long as some non-Reel 'Murkin is gettin' stucked they will continue to vote against their own self interests.

" I'm gonna lose my house because of this but man did Trump stiggit to those chinamen! "
 
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