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6 days ago  
Y, God, Y??
 
6 days ago  
...and starring

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...as 'Ampersand'.
 
6 days ago  
This will be a tremendous saga
 
6 days ago  
Looking forward to them changing the ending. I can't say I was happy with that.
 
6 days ago  
Please don't suck.

/not getting my hopes up
 
6 days ago  
I like Ghus.
 
6 days ago  
Imogen Poots must have been teased unmercifully in grade and high school.
 
6 days ago  
The American Akira
Youtube jafd97yJFOI
 
6 days ago  

fusillade762: Looking forward to them changing the ending. I can't say I was happy with that.


'just because'

/Original ending by Kevin Smith
 
6 days ago  

fusillade762: Looking forward to them changing the ending. I can't say I was happy with that.


Yeah, this. Good comic, bad ending.

Also: I enjoyed Tatsuya Egawa's "Last Man" infinitely more than "Y:The last man".
 
6 days ago  
Should I be excited about this?


/DNRTFC
 
6 days ago  
Who's Dr Mann then?

Scarlett Johansson?
 
6 days ago  

fastibartslart: This will be a tremendous saga


It already is a tremendous saga. Television's just going to ruin it.
 
6 days ago  
I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?
 
6 days ago  

fastibartslart: This will be a tremendous saga


Unnecessary; Saga is already a perfectly fine saga.
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?


To me, yes and no. The premise is sound, and the second act, as the various factions vy for possession/control of Yorick and Ampersand, is beautiful. The ending is typical comic book pap, however. It can be improved.
 
6 days ago  

Wessoman: Herr Morgenstern: I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?

To me, yes and no. The premise is sound, and the second act, as the various factions vy for possession/control of Yorick and Ampersand, is beautiful. The ending is typical comic book pap, however. It can be improved.


Yeah, the premise and most of the execution was good.  But it pulled a 'Lost' ending.  Hard.
 
6 days ago  
WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR


That would either be amazing or godawful. There is no in between.

/journalistic ovaries!
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

That would either be amazing or godawful. There is no in between.

/journalistic ovaries!


Look, if we're gonna have edgelord misogyny all over TV anyway, the least we could do is have someone bellowing FILTHY ASSISTANTS! every few minutes.

// similar to Daredevil s2e2 with The Rooftop Scene, the part with the social worker ("Children are very simple, Mr.Jerusalem. Very easy devices to break, or assemble wrong.") should just be lifted directly off the page
 
6 days ago  

bonobo73: fastibartslart: This will be a tremendous saga

Unnecessary; Saga is already a perfectly fine saga.


I imagine Jeff Goldblum's voice as Prince Robot.
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR


After seeing how that hack Rogen ruined Preacher, why would anyone want to see another Vertigo book destroyed onscreen?

Comics are comics. They don't all have to be brought to life. There are more than enough examples now to show what a horrible idea that is. So quit asking for someone to take a healthy dump on more of them.
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR


Look around, the Beast is the President.

You're living in Transmetropolitan.
 
6 days ago  

Wessoman: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

Look around, the Beast is the President.

You're living in Transmetropolitan.


If that was the case, I'd be able to technologically improve myself - and being that I'm still sore from a workout on Tuesday, I am very much cognizant that I cannot upgrade myself to prevent that in the future.

// plus, we'd have at least one columnist/investigative journo worth a damn who wasn't a complete tool
// read it for the first time last year around the election - what struck me is that either 2016 candidate could be Beast or Smiler with very little alteration
 
6 days ago  

ElectricPeterTork: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

After seeing how that hack Rogen ruined Preacher, why would anyone want to see another Vertigo book destroyed onscreen?

Comics are comics. They don't all have to be brought to life. There are more than enough examples now to show what a horrible idea that is. So quit asking for someone to take a healthy dump on more of them.


OK, Debbie Downer...

// watch Daredevil again and tell me TV-comics adaptations are always bad
// I know, it's not Vertigo
// haven't seen past season 1 of Preacher, but despite the deviations from source, I rather liked it
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Wessoman: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

Look around, the Beast is the President.

You're living in Transmetropolitan.

If that was the case, I'd be able to technologically improve myself - and being that I'm still sore from a workout on Tuesday, I am very much cognizant that I cannot upgrade myself to prevent that in the future.

// plus, we'd have at least one columnist/investigative journo worth a damn who wasn't a complete tool
// read it for the first time last year around the election - what struck me is that either 2016 candidate could be Beast or Smiler with very little alteration


Hey man, I know our current objective reality isn't the best version of Transmetropolitan, but I am not sure that anybody else could release a better version that is this true to the original comics dystopian vision.
 
6 days ago  

BafflerMeal: Wessoman: Herr Morgenstern: I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?

To me, yes and no. The premise is sound, and the second act, as the various factions vy for possession/control of Yorick and Ampersand, is beautiful. The ending is typical comic book pap, however. It can be improved.

Yeah, the premise and most of the execution was good.  But it pulled a 'Lost' ending.  Hard.


And, if was said upthread, Kevin Smith penned it, he should turn in his hockey jersey in shame.
 
6 days ago  

Wessoman: Dr Dreidel: Wessoman: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

Look around, the Beast is the President.

You're living in Transmetropolitan.

If that was the case, I'd be able to technologically improve myself - and being that I'm still sore from a workout on Tuesday, I am very much cognizant that I cannot upgrade myself to prevent that in the future.

// plus, we'd have at least one columnist/investigative journo worth a damn who wasn't a complete tool
// read it for the first time last year around the election - what struck me is that either 2016 candidate could be Beast or Smiler with very little alteration

Hey man, I know our current objective reality isn't the best version of Transmetropolitan, but I am not sure that anybody else could release a better version that is this true to the original comics dystopian vision.


There is more to it than just Beast/Smiler - for the first few issues, I thought it was just background noise to go along with the general cacophany of life there (as opposed to Spider's mountain retreat).

I think a serialized show could do the same thing: spend a full season delving into the city and the various factions within (Fred Christ, the social workers, the upgraders, etc), and only show us Beast/Smiler posters and campaign ads until s2 when we actually get into investigating the murder.
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

That would either be amazing or godawful. There is no in between.

/journalistic ovaries!

Look, if we're gonna have edgelord misogyny all over TV anyway, the least we could do is have someone bellowing FILTHY ASSISTANTS! every few minutes.

// similar to Daredevil s2e2 with The Rooftop Scene, the part with the social worker ("Children are very simple, Mr.Jerusalem. Very easy devices to break, or assemble wrong.") should just be lifted directly off the page


Spider never really struck me as misogynistic, though I confess it's been a while since I read the comic. I know he treated his assistants terrible, but he did that with everyone. His big heart buried under a tough exterior of drugs, booze, and tattoos is what made me like him so much.

/but I could be forgetting stuff
//I'm open to correction
///Source gas!
 
6 days ago  
Tell me they got Shia Ladoof as the lead!
 
6 days ago  

OtherLittleGuy: BafflerMeal: Wessoman: Herr Morgenstern: I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?

To me, yes and no. The premise is sound, and the second act, as the various factions vy for possession/control of Yorick and Ampersand, is beautiful. The ending is typical comic book pap, however. It can be improved.

Yeah, the premise and most of the execution was good.  But it pulled a 'Lost' ending.  Hard.

And, if was said upthread, Kevin Smith penned it, he should turn in his hockey jersey in shame.


Oh he didn't.  I was just making a joke about the original ending of Clerks.  Smith couldn't find a way to end the story, so it was just an awful one.
 
6 days ago  

BafflerMeal: OtherLittleGuy: BafflerMeal: Wessoman: Herr Morgenstern: I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?

To me, yes and no. The premise is sound, and the second act, as the various factions vy for possession/control of Yorick and Ampersand, is beautiful. The ending is typical comic book pap, however. It can be improved.

Yeah, the premise and most of the execution was good.  But it pulled a 'Lost' ending.  Hard.

And, if was said upthread, Kevin Smith penned it, he should turn in his hockey jersey in shame.

Oh he didn't.  I was just making a joke about the original ending of Clerks.  Smith couldn't find a way to end the story, so it was just an awful one.


What, Dante getting shot in a robbery? What's not to like?
 
6 days ago  

Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

That would either be amazing or godawful. There is no in between.

/journalistic ovaries!

Look, if we're gonna have edgelord misogyny all over TV anyway, the least we could do is have someone bellowing FILTHY ASSISTANTS! every few minutes.

// similar to Daredevil s2e2 with The Rooftop Scene, the part with the social worker ("Children are very simple, Mr.Jerusalem. Very easy devices to break, or assemble wrong.") should just be lifted directly off the page

Spider never really struck me as misogynistic, though I confess it's been a while since I read the comic. I know he treated his assistants terrible, but he did that with everyone. His big heart buried under a tough exterior of drugs, booze, and tattoos is what made me like him so much.

/but I could be forgetting stuff
//I'm open to correction
///Source gas!


Not that Spider is misogynistic per se(though he is most definitely an edgelord), but he does clearly treat the women (his assistants, mostly) differently from the men he encounters. That, and they're both drawn busty and leggy and pretty (against, not a problem specific to Transmet, but still a problem).

The rest of the cast is even worse.

// also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot
 
6 days ago  

BafflerMeal: Wessoman: Herr Morgenstern: I confess, I've heard the title often but never read it. Is it really that good?

To me, yes and no. The premise is sound, and the second act, as the various factions vy for possession/control of Yorick and Ampersand, is beautiful. The ending is typical comic book pap, however. It can be improved.

Yeah, the premise and most of the execution was good.  But it pulled a 'Lost' ending.  Hard.


Personally I never got over the idiocy of the (acting) president calling in a foreign agent to find Yorik, and one from halfway around the world at that. How stupid can you get?
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

That would either be amazing or godawful. There is no in between.

/journalistic ovaries!

Look, if we're gonna have edgelord misogyny all over TV anyway, the least we could do is have someone bellowing FILTHY ASSISTANTS! every few minutes.

// similar to Daredevil s2e2 with The Rooftop Scene, the part with the social worker ("Children are very simple, Mr.Jerusalem. Very easy devices to break, or assemble wrong.") should just be lifted directly off the page

Spider never really struck me as misogynistic, though I confess it's been a while since I read the comic. I know he treated his assistants terrible, but he did that with everyone. His big heart buried under a tough exterior of drugs, booze, and tattoos is what made me like him so much.

/but I could be forgetting stuff
//I'm open to correction
///Source gas!

Not that Spider is misogynistic per se(though he is most definitely an edgelord), but he does clearly treat the women (his assistants, mostly) differently from the men he encounters. That, and they're both drawn busty and leggy and pretty (against, not a problem specific to Transmet, but still a problem).

The rest of the cast is even worse.

// also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot


For me, it's a lot like Doctor Who, where in the Doctor treats his (overwhelmingly) female companions like they're idiots. He doesn't single them out for it, it's just that they're the ones we see him interact with the most. The truth is, the Doctor treats everyone like they're stupid, or at least dumber than him, and that's because they are.

/and now I need to re-read Transmet to see if I'm right
//not the worst way to spend a day off
///glad I have the graphic novel
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: WHAR TRANSMETROPOLITAN WHAR

That would either be amazing or godawful. There is no in between.

/journalistic ovaries!

Look, if we're gonna have edgelord misogyny all over TV anyway, the least we could do is have someone bellowing FILTHY ASSISTANTS! every few minutes.

// similar to Daredevil s2e2 with The Rooftop Scene, the part with the social worker ("Children are very simple, Mr.Jerusalem. Very easy devices to break, or assemble wrong.") should just be lifted directly off the page

Spider never really struck me as misogynistic, though I confess it's been a while since I read the comic. I know he treated his assistants terrible, but he did that with everyone. His big heart buried under a tough exterior of drugs, booze, and tattoos is what made me like him so much.

/but I could be forgetting stuff
//I'm open to correction
///Source gas!

Not that Spider is misogynistic per se(though he is most definitely an edgelord), but he does clearly treat the women (his assistants, mostly) differently from the men he encounters. That, and they're both drawn busty and leggy and pretty (against, not a problem specific to Transmet, but still a problem).

The rest of the cast is even worse.

// also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot


His ex-wife? The Smiler's campaign manager?
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot


I don't know. If it's just 'plot' that interests you rather than the little vignettes that make up the bulk of the run than we liked transmet for very different reasons. As far as 'plot' there are only about 5 or 6 characters that really drive things.
 
6 days ago  

Subtonic: Dr Dreidel: also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot

I don't know. If it's just 'plot' that interests you rather than the little vignettes that make up the bulk of the run than we liked transmet for very different reasons. As far as 'plot' there are only about 5 or 6 characters that really drive things.


And none of them are women. Random chance puts the odds of that at .5^6= 0.015625, just over 1.5%.

So forgive me if I feel like that's a probably-intentional oversight, and worthy of correction.

// I liked the books
// the vignettes are nice (but again, lots of them focus on demeaning/demeaned women like sex workers and/or abuse victims - which isn't exactly the kind of female representation I'm hoping for)
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Subtonic: Dr Dreidel: also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot

I don't know. If it's just 'plot' that interests you rather than the little vignettes that make up the bulk of the run than we liked transmet for very different reasons. As far as 'plot' there are only about 5 or 6 characters that really drive things.

And none of them are women. Random chance puts the odds of that at .5^6= 0.015625, just over 1.5%.

So forgive me if I feel like that's a probably-intentional oversight, and worthy of correction.

// I liked the books
// the vignettes are nice (but again, lots of them focus on demeaning/demeaned women like sex workers and/or abuse victims - which isn't exactly the kind of female representation I'm hoping for)


I haven't read them in a while so I'll not bring statistics into things, but if anything fewer women running the show would be consistent with actual reality. I don't get your point about how depressing the stories were, you knew what kind of book you were reading, there is little to zero positive story arcs in it.

I never got a misogynistic vibe out of it.  Whatever, my $0.02.
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel:

// also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot


Vita Severn was literally the catalyst for the fight between Spider and The Smiler.
 
6 days ago  

RevMercutio: Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel: Herr Morgenstern: Dr Dreidel:

// also, apart from their buddy in the broadcast booth, I'm not remembering a single female character (apart from Filthy Assistants) who contributes to the plot

Vita Severn was literally the catalyst for the fight between Spider and The Smiler.


Isn't she the murder victim?

// also not quite the representation we're looking for, in terms of active participation in the plot
 
6 days ago  
There was not nearly enough male representation in Y: The Last Man.  For this point alone, it was misandrist through and through with no redeeming value.

I am in no way overly transfixed on this aspect of the comics.
 
6 days ago  

Subtonic: There was not nearly enough male representation in Y: The Last Man.  For this point alone, it was misandrist through and through with no redeeming value.

I am in no way overly transfixed on this aspect of the comics.


Look - my family is 3 dudes, my dad, and my mom. If we made a movie about us, it would make sense that the casting be 4 dudes and 1 woman. Similarly, in a story about all the men dying, it's totally cool for there to be 1 dude (and a male monkey).

If you're writing a story about a futureworld that women definitely live in (and in roughly the same proportions as they do here & now, 50/50) and for no reason other than "random chance" there are no (live) women driving the action and no (live, significant) female characters who aren't sex workers or abuse victims (or comically leggy and be-boobed "badass" stereotypes), that oversight deserves a mention.

For a counter-example, Handmaid's Tale was able to show us an on-paper misogynistic world where men aren't all rapists or abusers (and many aren't even handsome avatars of virility). Some character nuance that isn't based on sex or sexuality can go a long way in world-building (and as a bonus, doesn't contribute to the larger body of art that relegates women primarily to those two roles).

I'm not blaming Bendis for this, nor am I saying the work as a whole is crap as a result. I'm saying that it suffers from the same problems as so many GNs do (and films, and TV shows, etc).

// mild criticism from a fan of the work?!
// THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: I'm not blaming Bendis Ellis/Robertsonfor this, nor am I saying the work as a whole is crap as a result. I'm saying that it suffers from the same problems as so many GNs do (and films, and TV shows, etc).


Serves me right for not double-checking.
 
6 days ago  
I really hope FX nails this. I loved this series (yes, even the ending). I had tears in my eyes when a certain character bit it. I don't ever remember crying reading a comic book.
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: Subtonic: There was not nearly enough male representation in Y: The Last Man.  For this point alone, it was misandrist through and through with no redeeming value.

I am in no way overly transfixed on this aspect of the comics.

Look - my family is 3 dudes, my dad, and my mom. If we made a movie about us, it would make sense that the casting be 4 dudes and 1 woman. Similarly, in a story about all the men dying, it's totally cool for there to be 1 dude (and a male monkey).

If you're writing a story about a futureworld that women definitely live in (and in roughly the same proportions as they do here & now, 50/50) and for no reason other than "random chance" there are no (live) women driving the action and no (live, significant) female characters who aren't sex workers or abuse victims (or comically leggy and be-boobed "badass" stereotypes), that oversight deserves a mention.

For a counter-example, Handmaid's Tale was able to show us an on-paper misogynistic world where men aren't all rapists or abusers (and many aren't even handsome avatars of virility). Some character nuance that isn't based on sex or sexuality can go a long way in world-building (and as a bonus, doesn't contribute to the larger body of art that relegates women primarily to those two roles).

I'm not blaming Bendis for this, nor am I saying the work as a whole is crap as a result. I'm saying that it suffers from the same problems as so many GNs do (and films, and TV shows, etc).

// mild criticism from a fan of the work?!
// THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Sounds like you're cherry picking. You can ascribe a negative aspect to ANY character if you pick them apart. Filthy assistants? Too good looking. Vita? She was inconsequential. Give me an example of a properly feminist protagonist that meets your standards in comics.
 
6 days ago  
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// disclaimer: haven't read it, but my comics-appreciating friends tell me it's not that kind of problematic (reading wiki, it does appear to be like Y in reverse, though - engineered to be largely about women)
// but the problem I'm describing is (as I mentioned) endemic to comics in general - so of course it's hard to find examples that don't fit the bill
// having, say, ONE female character who does not resemble either Barbie or Amanda Waller (the physical extremes) would be a great start
 
6 days ago  

Dr Dreidel: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x384]

// disclaimer: haven't read it, but my comics-appreciating friends tell me it's not that kind of problematic (reading wiki, it does appear to be like Y in reverse, though - engineered to be largely about women)
// but the problem I'm describing is (as I mentioned) endemic to comics in general - so of course it's hard to find examples that don't fit the bill
// having, say, ONE female character who does not resemble either Barbie or Amanda Waller (the physical extremes) would be a great start


Yeah. You had a whole roster from the title this very thread is about to choose from and you go for an obscure title you never even read. This was a softball and ya whiffed it. WHIFFED IT!
 
6 days ago  
It was good until we found out why all the males died. It was so mind-numbingly stupid it ruined every thing that came before it.
 
6 days ago  

Not_Todd: It was good until we found out why all the males died. It was so mind-numbingly stupid it ruined every thing that came before it.


It was a lot more creative than some generic plague attacking the y chromosome. I liked it.
 
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