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(The Raw Story)   Fox News viewers: How DARE Shep Smith tell us how President Trump is wrong about NATO. Wait, he's just telling us how NATO works and why it's important? THAT'S EVEN WORSE   ( rawstory.com) divider line
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2018-07-11 11:11:06 PM  
Shep Smith is the only intelligent voice on Fux Nuz. I suspect he's only allowed on air in order to keep the "News" moniker. And to stave off the "State Media" intimations.

/otherwise, I'll have his cheeks and forehead with a nice Chianti and fava beans...
 
2018-07-11 11:12:21 PM  
Apostate!  He should be hanged in Effigy -- a small town outside of Teaneck.
 
2018-07-11 11:19:10 PM  

Redh8t: Shep Smith is the only intelligent voice on Fux Nuz. I suspect he's only allowed on air in order to keep the "News" moniker. And to stave off the "State Media" intimations.

/otherwise, I'll have his cheeks and forehead with a nice Chianti and fava beans...


This is why I respect him least of all.
He is an enabler.
 
2018-07-11 11:36:19 PM  

Redh8t: Shep Smith is the only intelligent voice on Fux Nuz. I suspect he's only allowed on air in order to keep the "News" moniker. And to stave off the "State Media" intimations.

/otherwise, I'll have his cheeks and forehead with a nice Chianti and fava beans...


I suspect he's only allowed on air because he has photographic evidence of being Roger Ailes' naughty pool boy.
 
2018-07-11 11:54:21 PM  
Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?
 
2018-07-12 01:22:16 AM  

propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?


Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.
 
2018-07-12 01:44:45 AM  

blastoh: Redh8t: Shep Smith is the only intelligent voice on Fux Nuz. I suspect he's only allowed on air in order to keep the "News" moniker. And to stave off the "State Media" intimations.

/otherwise, I'll have his cheeks and forehead with a nice Chianti and fava beans...

This is why I respect him least of all.
He is an enabler.


I agree..
Fux offers just enough push back in order to justify the Fair & Balanced line..

/Welp, think I might just go punch meself in the dick...
 
2018-07-12 02:20:01 AM  
Some Fox News viewers were very angry about this basic history and statement of facts.

Conservatives love Russia now. I'm convinced they'd be advocating for us to join the Warsaw Pact if that was still a thing.
 
2018-07-12 02:20:42 AM  

Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.


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2018-07-12 03:14:24 AM  

fusillade762: Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.

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Instead of labeling the arm "Putin" they should have made the cufflink a russian flag.
 
2018-07-12 03:15:15 AM  
Republicans hate NATO now. The "I'm insane and none of this is happening" theory just keeps making more and more sense.
 
2018-07-12 03:15:53 AM  
Fox desperately wants to get rid of Shep, and has wanted him gone for years. But they can't get rid of him because he is their token liberal and as such is irreplaceable.
 
2018-07-12 03:16:00 AM  

propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?


In order to understand, you have to be a rabid angry "Patriot" who has no understanding of NATO and blindly listens to Trump.
To the rest of us, it can't be shown because it's a false narrative created by and angry, petty man.
 
2018-07-12 03:19:58 AM  
Trees voting for the Axe because handle is made of wood, the lot of them.
 
2018-07-12 03:21:57 AM  
 
2018-07-12 03:22:33 AM  

King Something: Fox desperately wants to get rid of Shep, and has wanted him gone for years. But they can't get rid of him because he is their token liberal and as such is irreplaceable.


The funny thing is, he's not really. Just seems to be on FOX. If he went elsewhere, he'd be on the right leaning side of the news team.
 
2018-07-12 03:25:54 AM  

Boo_Guy: fusillade762: Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.

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Instead of labeling the arm "Putin" they should have made the cufflink a russian flag.


Look, they're just trying to compete with Ben Garrison.
 
2018-07-12 03:27:26 AM  
One of the main advantages of NATO is often overlooked: The fact that it's gotten Europe to calm down and stop fighting each other like they had been for millennia. Both World Wars came out of Europe. The whole Soviet thing was an extra incentive.
 
2018-07-12 03:27:44 AM  

Boo_Guy: fusillade762: Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.

[img.fark.net image 600x455]

Instead of labeling the arm "Putin" they should have made the cufflink a russian flag.


No one would recognize it.
 
2018-07-12 03:28:12 AM  

Boo_Guy: fusillade762: Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.

[img.fark.net image 600x455]

Instead of labeling the arm "Putin" they should have made the cufflink a russian flag.


Still not nearly as over-labeled as a Ben Garrison cartoon.
 
2018-07-12 03:31:59 AM  

BafflerMeal: Boo_Guy: fusillade762: Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.

[img.fark.net image 600x455]

Instead of labeling the arm "Putin" they should have made the cufflink a russian flag.

No one would recognize it.


Yeah, remember when someone passed out Russian flags at CPAC and conservative idiots were waving them with glee?
 
2018-07-12 03:34:06 AM  

King Something: Fox desperately wants to get rid of Shep, and has wanted him gone for years. But they can't get rid of him because he is their token liberal and as such is irreplaceable.


Being to the left of Hitler does not make one liberal.
 
2018-07-12 03:34:19 AM  
Maybe we could start a campaign demanding that any country who's actually invoked the treaty (article 5) has to pay out 5 million to every other country in the org or be kicked out.

/ teeheehee
 
2018-07-12 03:39:03 AM  
NATO is about more than just contributing to its common budget, which pays for things like office buildings.  It's about each member nation contributing, or at least being able to contribute military might in addition to helping cover the regular administrative expenses.  That's its purpose, and the administrative expenses are just overhead.  When you've got countries like Germany with half their fighters and helicopters inoperable, five out of six submarines inoperable, and half of their tanks inoperable refusingto get their shiat together after repeated complaints then accusations of their taking a free ride at the expense of others aren't unfounded.

So get your shiat together, Germany.
 
2018-07-12 03:43:44 AM  

fusillade762: Boo_Guy: fusillade762: Dewey Fidalgo: propasaurus: Can someone show how NATO owes "us"?

Merkel should take BLOTUS to the 54 graves of Germans killed in their response for the US pulling the Article 5 trigger.

[img.fark.net image 600x455]

Instead of labeling the arm "Putin" they should have made the cufflink a russian flag.

Still not nearly as over-labeled as a Ben Garrison cartoon.


Needs a trump hand puppet label and probably some stupid smiling guy trying an explanation what it means along with a bunch of extra gibberish to fill up the blank space and some Hillary and Obama references for no reason
 
2018-07-12 03:47:44 AM  

Magnifico Giganticus: NATO is about more than just contributing to its common budget, which pays for things like office buildings.  It's about each member nation contributing, or at least being able to contribute military might in addition to helping cover the regular administrative expenses.  That's its purpose, and the administrative expenses are just overhead.  When you've got countries like Germany with half their fighters and helicopters inoperable, five out of six submarines inoperable, and half of their tanks inoperable refusingto get their shiat together after repeated complaints then accusations of their taking a free ride at the expense of others aren't unfounded.

So get your shiat together, Germany.


I would like to remind you of the last time Germany took the advice of a demagogue who wanted them to increase the size of their military.

\the world has been overly reliant on the US acting as world police
\\pity the UN can't do its job because of its design
 
2018-07-12 03:50:17 AM  

starsrift: Maybe we could start a campaign demanding that any country who's actually invoked the treaty (article 5) has to pay out 5 million to every other country in the org or be kicked out.

/ teeheehee


Sure, and while we're at it let's have all members facing a plausible threat from an undeterred foreign adversary pay protection money to the countries doing the protecting.  I'm sure the US, UK, and France would appreciate the extra money.  How does 10% of GDP sound?  5%?  After all, you've got a nice country there.  It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.  Things happen.  Cities burn.

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2018-07-12 03:53:43 AM  
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ― Harlan Ellison
 
2018-07-12 03:57:36 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Magnifico Giganticus: NATO is about more than just contributing to its common budget, which pays for things like office buildings.  It's about each member nation contributing, or at least being able to contribute military might in addition to helping cover the regular administrative expenses.  That's its purpose, and the administrative expenses are just overhead.  When you've got countries like Germany with half their fighters and helicopters inoperable, five out of six submarines inoperable, and half of their tanks inoperable refusingto get their shiat together after repeated complaints then accusations of their taking a free ride at the expense of others aren't unfounded.

So get your shiat together, Germany.

I would like to remind you of the last time Germany took the advice of a demagogue who wanted them to increase the size of their military.

\the world has been overly reliant on the US acting as world police
\\pity the UN can't do its job because of its design


I think in this case the roles are reversed.  Germany had better step up or the demagogue in the US will have us do it on their behalf.  And keep in mind that the US is currently not Germany's friend.  The people in charge here would just as soon see the continent speaking Russian as they would offer any actual resistance.
 
2018-07-12 04:01:02 AM  

Magnifico Giganticus: all members facing a plausible threat from an undeterred foreign adversary pay protection money to the countries doing the protecting.  I'm sure the US, UK, and France would appreciate the extra money.  How does 10% of GDP sound?  5%?  After all, you've got a nice country there.  It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.  Things happen.  Cities burn.


Let me get this straight. You want countries that are facing an undeterred foreign threat to pay protection money to the countries who are failing at deterrence? That's, um, a unique approach.

Also, does it count if the undeterred foreign threat is a fellow NATO member? Asking for a friend.
 
2018-07-12 04:01:18 AM  
How does one address an argument made by a person with the Twitter handle
"Liberals are the Devil"?
 
2018-07-12 04:05:14 AM  

vernonFL: How does one address an argument made by a person with the Twitter handle
"Liberals are the Devil"?


One does not.
 
2018-07-12 04:06:45 AM  
starsrift: Let me get this straight. You want countries that are facing an undeterred foreign threat to pay protection money to the countries who are failing at deterrence? That's, um, a unique approach.

Maybe I phrased that poorly, so let me try again.  Countries that are facing a foreign threat that is currently being deterred by others can pay protection money.  Step up or pay up.  Make sense?

Also, does it count if the undeterred foreign threat is a fellow NATO member? Asking for a friend.

Feel free to ask the Russians or the Chinese to come to your aid.  Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.  China is apparently trying to make friends in Europe these days, so if you want to go that route now's the time.  I hear North Korea sees itself as a global player now, so maybe ally with them.
 
2018-07-12 04:11:36 AM  

Magnifico Giganticus: starsrift: Let me get this straight. You want countries that are facing an undeterred foreign threat to pay protection money to the countries who are failing at deterrence? That's, um, a unique approach.

Maybe I phrased that poorly, so let me try again.  Countries that are facing a foreign threat that is currently being deterred by others can pay protection money.  Step up or pay up.  Make sense?

Also, does it count if the undeterred foreign threat is a fellow NATO member? Asking for a friend.

Feel free to ask the Russians or the Chinese to come to your aid.  Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.  China is apparently trying to make friends in Europe these days, so if you want to go that route now's the time.  I hear North Korea sees itself as a global player now, so maybe ally with them.


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2018-07-12 04:12:45 AM  
Okay. I started out making a silly joke in reference to the sheep-like and unquestioning nature of Fox News viewers. That's all it was.

Magnifico Giganticus: Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.


Somehow you've gone from there to here. And I just snipped everything out but this line, because this line in particular demonstrates that the point of conversing about international politics with you should be in an educational format, not discussion or contrast. Or that you're deep into your cups. Either way, it's an even sillier riff on a silly joke, and I've had done with it.

Cheers, my dude.
 
2018-07-12 04:15:10 AM  
Magnifico Giganticus: starsrift: Let me get this straight. You want countries that are facing an undeterred foreign threat to pay protection money to the countries who are failing at deterrence? That's, um, a unique approach.

Maybe I phrased that poorly, so let me try again.  Countries that are facing a foreign threat that is currently being deterred by others, and who are halfassing their own military readiness obligations to the alliance, can pay protection money.  Step up or pay up.  Make sense?

Also, does it count if the undeterred foreign threat is a fellow NATO member? Asking for a friend.

Feel free to ask the Russians or the Chinese to come to your aid.  Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.  China is apparently trying to make friends in Europe these days, so if you want to go that route now's the time.  I hear North Korea sees itself as a global player now, so maybe ally with them.


I forgot to add one more clause, which I've inserted and bolded above.  We need a better metric than percent of GDP spent on the military, but some member nations have pretty obviously been shirking their responsibilities to the alliance.
 
2018-07-12 04:16:30 AM  

vernonFL: How does one address an argument made by a person with the Twitter handle
"Liberals are the Devil"?


Someone with a handle such as that is not looking for an argument. They are looking for recruits to the cause.

You will get lecturing, hectoring, and abuse and that's about it.
 
2018-07-12 04:20:39 AM  
Amazing how Fox can change a good story with its comments at the bottom:

"TRUMP: MANY NATO COUNTRIES OWE THE US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY."

"TRUMP: MANY NATO COUNTRIES ARE NOT PAYING WHAT THEY SHOULD."

"PRESIDENT TRUMP: US, IS PROTECTING EVERYBODY IN NATO & IT'S VERY UNFAIR."

The screaming caps are theirs.
 
2018-07-12 04:20:56 AM  

Magnifico Giganticus: starsrift: Let me get this straight. You want countries that are facing an undeterred foreign threat to pay protection money to the countries who are failing at deterrence? That's, um, a unique approach.

Maybe I phrased that poorly, so let me try again.  Countries that are facing a foreign threat that is currently being deterred by others can pay protection money.  Step up or pay up.  Make sense?

Also, does it count if the undeterred foreign threat is a fellow NATO member? Asking for a friend.

Feel free to ask the Russians or the Chinese to come to your aid.  Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.  China is apparently trying to make friends in Europe these days, so if you want to go that route now's the time.  I hear North Korea sees itself as a global player now, so maybe ally with them.


You're just kinda throwing shiat at the wall to see what sticks, aren't you?
 
2018-07-12 04:24:28 AM  

starsrift: Okay. I started out making a silly joke in reference to the sheep-like and unquestioning nature of Fox News viewers. That's all it was.

Magnifico Giganticus: Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.

Somehow you've gone from there to here. And I just snipped everything out but this line, because this line in particular demonstrates that the point of conversing about international politics with you should be in an educational format, not discussion or contrast. Or that you're deep into your cups. Either way, it's an even sillier riff on a silly joke, and I've had done with it.

Cheers, my dude.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You never started making sense, so why should you do so now?  The world is not a kumbaya-singing happy place where we all hold hands and sing songs.  There are spheres of influence exerted by the major powers.  One of those powers is the US.  Another is China.  A third runner up is Russia.  So take your pick.  Or align with a minor power.  That was my point, which you seem to have intentionally misunderstood.  Suit yourself, but if I thought you were in charge of anything I'd be buying Russian phrase books.
 
2018-07-12 04:24:56 AM  

Langdon_777: Amazing how Fox can change a good story with its comments at the bottom:

"TRUMP: MANY NATO COUNTRIES OWE THE US A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY."

"TRUMP: MANY NATO COUNTRIES ARE NOT PAYING WHAT THEY SHOULD."

"PRESIDENT TRUMP: US, IS PROTECTING EVERYBODY IN NATO & IT'S VERY UNFAIR."

The screaming caps are theirs.


Oh I missed:

"GERMANY IS TOTALLY CONTROLLED BY RUSSIA."
 
2018-07-12 04:27:35 AM  
"TRUMP: GERMANY IS A CAPTIVE OF RUSSIA."

All these captions were totally different to what the story was saying.
 
2018-07-12 04:31:48 AM  
A guy comes on calling Trump on his bullshiat ands this is the caption at the bottom:

"TRUMP: NATO COUNTRIES PAYING RUSSIA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR OIL AND GAS."

Shep Smith is probably the best Fox has but they totally undermine any sensible thing he says to Fox viewers.
 
2018-07-12 04:34:19 AM  

propasaurus: Magnifico Giganticus: starsrift: Let me get this straight. You want countries that are facing an undeterred foreign threat to pay protection money to the countries who are failing at deterrence? That's, um, a unique approach.

Maybe I phrased that poorly, so let me try again.  Countries that are facing a foreign threat that is currently being deterred by others can pay protection money.  Step up or pay up.  Make sense?

Also, does it count if the undeterred foreign threat is a fellow NATO member? Asking for a friend.

Feel free to ask the Russians or the Chinese to come to your aid.  Maybe India or Pakistan would like a new client state.  China is apparently trying to make friends in Europe these days, so if you want to go that route now's the time.  I hear North Korea sees itself as a global player now, so maybe ally with them.

You're just kinda throwing shiat at the wall to see what sticks, aren't you?


Not at all.  If countries owe their existence to their participation in a mutual defense treaty it's not "throwing shiat at the wall" to expect them to maintain their own military readiness.  And if countries think they're getting a raw deal from NATO well, there's the door.  An announcement one year in advance and they're out.  They might get lonely though, so I thought I'd list some other global and regional powers to cuddle with when it's cold at night.
 
2018-07-12 04:39:29 AM  

Langdon_777: A guy comes on calling Trump on his bullshiat ands this is the caption at the bottom:

"TRUMP: NATO COUNTRIES PAYING RUSSIA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR OIL AND GAS."

Shep Smith is probably the best Fox has but they totally undermine any sensible thing he says to Fox viewers.


They're not wrong that Europe imports a lot of natural gas from Russia, but it doesn't have to be that way.  LNG tankers are a thing.  But just watch the news next January.  I guarantee there'll be stories about gas shortages and Russian refusal to sell to country X because of {blahblahblah}.

So when it's cold out, and most of Europe is using Russian gas to keep from freezing, that does give Russia political leverage.
 
2018-07-12 04:47:51 AM  

Magnifico Giganticus: Langdon_777: A guy comes on calling Trump on his bullshiat ands this is the caption at the bottom:

"TRUMP: NATO COUNTRIES PAYING RUSSIA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR OIL AND GAS."

Shep Smith is probably the best Fox has but they totally undermine any sensible thing he says to Fox viewers.

They're not wrong that Europe imports a lot of natural gas from Russia, but it doesn't have to be that way.  LNG tankers are a thing.  But just watch the news next January.  I guarantee there'll be stories about gas shortages and Russian refusal to sell to country X because of {blahblahblah}.

So when it's cold out, and most of Europe is using Russian gas to keep from freezing, that does give Russia political leverage.


The gas is only a part of Germany's energy - closer to 25% than the 75% Trump claimed.  The gas part comes from private companies.  It is not really something the govt gets too involved in.

I wonder what % of Trump's apartments are owned by Russians ....
 
2018-07-12 04:52:52 AM  
facts anyone?
 
2018-07-12 05:14:43 AM  

KodosZardoz: One of the main advantages of NATO is often overlooked: The fact that it's gotten Europe to calm down and stop fighting each other like they had been for millennia. Both World Wars came out of Europe. The whole Soviet thing was an extra incentive.


By now most of the western part probably won't fight each other even if NATO didn't exist. But Eastern Europe and specially the Balkans could be at it. The NATO and EU expansion have been the key to stability across that area.
 
2018-07-12 05:17:46 AM  

Langdon_777: Magnifico Giganticus: Langdon_777: A guy comes on calling Trump on his bullshiat ands this is the caption at the bottom:

"TRUMP: NATO COUNTRIES PAYING RUSSIA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR OIL AND GAS."

Shep Smith is probably the best Fox has but they totally undermine any sensible thing he says to Fox viewers.

They're not wrong that Europe imports a lot of natural gas from Russia, but it doesn't have to be that way.  LNG tankers are a thing.  But just watch the news next January.  I guarantee there'll be stories about gas shortages and Russian refusal to sell to country X because of {blahblahblah}.

So when it's cold out, and most of Europe is using Russian gas to keep from freezing, that does give Russia political leverage.

The gas is only a part of Germany's energy - closer to 25% than the 75% Trump claimed.  The gas part comes from private companies.  It is not really something the govt gets too involved in.

I wonder what % of Trump's apartments are owned by Russians ....


Sure, that's completely true.  It's not even Germany that you see in the news facing Russian gas embargoes.  That's more Poland and Ukraine.  And they do have a habit of not paying their bills, so there's that.  And Germany has been making huge investments in offshore wind power generation.  I'm not sure how much of continental Europe's space heating is electric, but a lot of it in the UK is.

Anyway now I'm just kind of rambling, so I'll summarize.  Don't rely on untrustworthy people to keep your heat on in the depths of winter.  Don't rely on untrustworthy people to defend your country.
 
2018-07-12 05:18:56 AM  

Magnifico Giganticus: The world is not a kumbaya-singing happy place...


I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard a Republican Tough-Guy sneeringly say the word "kumbaya" as if it was an original, compelling comment.
 
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