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2018-07-11 10:34:36 PM  
Old, disheveled and socialist?
 
2018-07-11 10:39:28 PM  
I wish they'd all adopt his fund raising ideals.
 
2018-07-11 10:40:50 PM  

knbber2: Old, disheveled and socialist?


Not a short-fingered vulgarian?
 
2018-07-11 10:42:19 PM  
No thanks.
 
2018-07-11 10:44:55 PM  

null: Subby sounds like a Hillary/Establishment Dem Comrade, da?  Must want more ineffective Dems who are Really Republican-lite when it comes down to brass tacks.


Do you go to some sort of class for this?

Impressive...
 
2018-07-11 10:54:08 PM  
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2018-07-11 10:55:12 PM  
A leftist party.  How awful.  The only reason to be against this is because you're still stanning for Hillary.
 
2018-07-11 11:06:07 PM  

null: SuperTramp: null: Subby sounds like a Hillary/Establishment Dem Comrade, da?  Must want more ineffective Dems who are Really Republican-lite when it comes down to brass tacks.

Do you go to some sort of class for this?

Impressive...

Nope.  We've got a couple folks here on Fark who are hell-bent on telling us how evil Bernie is and how anyone who dares to profess a preference for a Bernie-like politician over a Hillary-like politician is 100% a Trumper or Russian Agent, and they take it to that extreme or beyond, every single time.  It is my postulation that if you're Putin or any other ex-KGB person trained in psy-ops and fomenting dissent, and you want to divide a body of people, you don't just attack from one angle, you attack from many angles so that all paths lead to victory, or at least you don't bet everything on a single strategy succeeding.  Therefore, in addition to obvious "Bernie Bro" shiat, why not troll the other side, posing as absolutely obnoxious Hillary/establishment Dem supporters who keep saying that any sort of progressive/populist movement on the Left is doomed to failure because reasons and therefore we have to keep supporting incumbent Dems forever because reasons?

/I also think the Russian troll ops are playing the other side, and attacking the Left from the Right, hence the bullshiat about how Obama was a weak mom-jeans wearing wuss while Putin is a big strong bare-chested bear rider, and how any Republicans who sided with Obama on anything had to be voted out, etcetera.  Hell don't forget the Russians hacked both the DNC and RNC and probably have profiles on all the incumbents as well as the top prospects to win primaries, and they know exactly who they want on which team and why.


Dear null,

You need 8 hours' sleep every night, a vitamin/mineral supplement that accompanies a balanced diet heavy on vegetables/legumes, and some Allman Brothers, man.
 
2018-07-11 11:09:49 PM  
No need to worry, Demodummies.  It's reported that Hillary is on the way to lead the party to another resounding defeat.
 
2018-07-11 11:15:33 PM  
Centrist Dems helped create the atmosphere that allowed der Trumpenfuhrer to become President.

It's that simple.
 
2018-07-11 11:21:55 PM  
 
2018-07-11 11:28:57 PM  
MEANWHILE...
Democratic Socialists are winning elections that they aren't even running in.
 
2018-07-12 01:02:40 AM  
If we could get a candidate with the progressive policy ideas of Bernie combined with the breadth of knowledge, wonkiness, and polish of Hillary, we'd have a killer candidate.
 
2018-07-12 01:29:53 AM  
I'll vote for him. Better someone who takes a stand for something - a stand for the people - than some focus-grouped twit.
 
2018-07-12 03:57:26 AM  
27 percent responded "not sure."

Polling 101: never phrase what should be the "no opinion" option as "not sure" or "I don't know." The latter two polarize the poll by pushing neutral/moderate respondents to not look indecisive/uninformed.
 
2018-07-12 05:22:47 AM  
I want them all to be more like me.
 
2018-07-12 05:23:19 AM  

2chinz: I'll vote for him. Better someone who takes a stand for something - a stand for the people - than some focus-grouped twit.


We tried a FGT. She lost to Trump.
 
2018-07-12 05:23:27 AM  
Thanks, Drumpf... To the left, to the left, to the left we go.  If only, good luck.
 
2018-07-12 05:24:40 AM  
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2018-07-12 05:25:18 AM  
The simple fact is that on any international democratic standard most dem politicians would be considered to be right wing.  The party and the country has moved so far right that few can even see the centre, let alone the left.

It is time for the democrates to move back to the left, to offer people something that will actually help them and make their lives better.

To go to the next election campaigning on the same ole same ole, will mean that the right wins, because if people want right wing politicians, then they will vote repug.
 
2018-07-12 05:28:59 AM  
This whole idea of wanting candidates who are more ______ is stupid. It's not going to happen on it's own. If you want it, do it.
 
2018-07-12 05:30:19 AM  
So candidates who are more to the left, passionate, and unafraid plainly call out GOP/corporate bullshiat?

Makes sense to me.
 
2018-07-12 05:32:02 AM  

knbber2: Old, disheveled and socialist?


Actually care about something other than their donors.
 
2018-07-12 05:32:23 AM  
Whatever works to get the country away from trump and the GOP.
 
2018-07-12 05:32:44 AM  
Understand that it is a slippery slope, and the propaganda coming from Faux is sadly, mighty.  Old f*cks are tanatlizied, what with having their ignorance stroked.  Vote!,
 
2018-07-12 05:32:52 AM  
Except for the losing part.
I want to see a slate of younger, browner candidates. Really set themselves apart from the Republicans.
 
2018-07-12 05:34:36 AM  
We've got enough old white men running this country. Bernie is on the right side of the issues but he's not the kind of candidate that is going to inspire huge turnout to vote. Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary. You need a good blend of youth, charisma, and unabashed idealism to get people on board if you want to win the hearts of the Democrat voters.
 
2018-07-12 05:37:53 AM  
Sure, I'd like to have someone with whom I agree with roughly 90% of the time. That said, I'm not going to be too upset if the person I get is someone with whom I agree roughly 75% of the time, and I'm sure as hell not going to try to "send a message" by helping the guy who just wants to see everything I love burn to the ground.
 
2018-07-12 05:41:30 AM  
God. Get a life, virgins.

Whoever gets the most votes from their constituents in the primary is the one that should represent them.

Orange, green, blue, motherfarkin cuckoo', who gives a shiat.
 
2018-07-12 05:41:50 AM  

Shaggy_C: We've got enough old white men running this country. Bernie is on the right side of the issues but he's not the kind of candidate that is going to inspire huge turnout to vote. Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary. You need a good blend of youth, charisma, and unabashed idealism to get people on board if you want to win the hearts of the Democrat voters.


And before anyone else jumps on this point: Yes, hillary did beat bernie in the primary. By 3 million votes. That's just how it is.
 
2018-07-12 05:43:29 AM  
I'd like more leftist candidates in places they can win. I'm not sure "be like Bernie" is a great national strategy though.
 
2018-07-12 05:43:45 AM  

Catlenfell: Except for the losing part.
I want to see a slate of younger, browner candidates. Really set themselves apart from the Republicans.


As someone always in search of lulz, I do look forward to a return to the endless flood of images turning Democratic candidates into terror-loving, bearded Imams, bone through the nose witch doctors, and not so subtle jabs about them playing basketball with giant afros (Side note: are we allowed to say "afro" for the hair style still? This feels a bit like an antiquated 'folksy racist' term. Maybe "big curly hair" is more PC in the modern era?)
 
2018-07-12 05:49:10 AM  
I'll take whichever candidate "motivates" lazy-ass democratic voters to actually get out and vote for once. I wonder how many of the folks pining for more Bernie like candidates stayed home and contributed to his primary loss. Dems need to be team players, whether we get a leftie's lefty or someone slightly left of Joe Manchin, go check the box... The alternative is a minimum of 2 more years of this shiatshow, and if you support that you're not progressive or a Democrat.

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2018-07-12 05:54:13 AM  

NobleHam: I'd like more leftist candidates in places they can win. I'm not sure "be like Bernie" is a great national strategy though.


I think more leftist candidates can be very successful even in red states if they find a good way to frame their message. When polled about specific policies Americans consistently show support for more progressive ideas (especially on economic issues). But Republicans just go "oogah boogah communism" and the candidates espousing those policies keep losing.

The US is a country of democratic socialists in denial.
 
2018-07-12 06:00:47 AM  
Honestly, I just want a Democrat who talks to Republicans the way Republicans talk to everybody else.
 
2018-07-12 06:01:02 AM  

Shaggy_C: We've got enough old white men running this country. Bernie is on the right side of the issues but he's not the kind of candidate that is going to inspire huge turnout to vote. Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary.


QFT.

If the Democrats can find some young, charismatic socialists with diverse backgrounds and run them in primaries, then great. I hope they win.

If the Democrats shrug and lazily rally behind the guy who only managed to turn out 78% as much of the base as Clinton did, well, that would be a mistake. "He was in 2nd place last time so now it's his turn" is a way of thinking that hasn't produced a winning candidate since 1980, but it *has* produced the last three losing nominees.
 
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2018-07-12 06:07:40 AM  
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2018-07-12 06:14:57 AM  
Hell yes, many of us do.

It's time to really enact change and get people involved in the party. I'm going to be working pretty damned hard for Ned Lamont to become governor here in CT. After doing all my research, I really like what he stands for.

One of my favorite things I saw in his platform was ensuring affordable healthcare and protections from the ACA in CT - and ending BS like going to a hospital where you are covered, but being seen by an "out of network" doctor.  I am in a fight with my insurance over a lab bill - I had a mole removed, the doctor (in network) sent it to the lab she uses - which is out of network  - and I got the bill.  This has happened to me before. As if I take the sample, personally, to a lab? The doctor puts it in a tube and sends it out. I never see or touch it. How can one be in network and one out of network?

CT is so screwed up, anyway, and I am so deep in debt and financial problems, let them come after me. The can have the $14.56 I have to my name because I've been pawning anything I can.
 
2018-07-12 06:17:28 AM  

Shaggy_C: We've got enough old white men running this country. Bernie is on the right side of the issues but he's not the kind of candidate that is going to inspire huge turnout to vote. Bernie couldn't even beat Hillary. You need a good blend of youth, charisma, and unabashed idealism to get people on board if you want to win the hearts of the Democrat voters.


I don't think "old, male and white" was what they had in mind when they asked democrats if they want their candidates to be more like Bernie Sanders.
 
2018-07-12 06:19:11 AM  
By 'More progressive and less worried about trying to appease' then yes.
By 'Old white men who unwittingly manage to attract a bunch of internet jerkoffs who share almost none of their principals, and who in the end get used as a vehicle for attacking their own side by the worst of the other side' then no.
 
2018-07-12 06:19:16 AM  

shpritz: NobleHam: I'd like more leftist candidates in places they can win. I'm not sure "be like Bernie" is a great national strategy though.

I think more leftist candidates can be very successful even in red states if they find a good way to frame their message. When polled about specific policies Americans consistently show support for more progressive ideas (especially on economic issues). But Republicans just go "oogah boogah communism" and the candidates espousing those policies keep losing.

The US is a country of democratic socialists in denial.


White voters are in favour of social programs until you remind them that black people will also benefit from those programs. This isn't just historical observation; this is proven in controlled psychological studies.

But racist voters get even more racist if you bring up racism as a problem.

Democrats cannot successfully run on economic justice until they either figure out how to respond to Republican race-baiting, figure out how to make white voters less racist, or figure out how to build an electoral coalition without the majority of white voters.
 
2018-07-12 06:20:34 AM  

pkjun: If the Democrats can find some young, charismatic socialists with diverse backgrounds and run them in primaries, then great. I hope they win.


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2018-07-12 06:21:51 AM  
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2018-07-12 06:28:31 AM  

null: I need my union (AFSCME) to be strong. That went down the shiatter because the Dems, including Obama, didn't stare down Yertle McTurtle and force him to break and hold hearings for Garland.


So it's Democrat's fault that they didn't do something they had absolutely no power to do?

null: I need a Secretary of Education who believes in public schools and actual education, not charter schools which teach that Jesus rode on dinosaurs. The Dems managed to get Murkowski and Collins on board but Pence broke the tie because the Dems couldn't get anyone else to get on board, not Flake, not McCain.


And it's also Democrat's fault that Republicans are Republican?

SuperTramp: Dear null,

You need 8 hours' sleep every night, a vitamin/mineral supplement that accompanies a balanced diet heavy on vegetables/legumes, and some Allman Brothers, man.


I don't know that vitamins and some rest are going to do enough to help this guy.  This guy has had a brain enema.
 
2018-07-12 06:28:52 AM  

Shaggy_C: ...giant afros (Side note: are we allowed to say "afro" for the hair style still? This feels a bit like an antiquated 'folksy racist' term. Maybe "big curly hair" is more PC in the modern era?)


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2018-07-12 06:32:15 AM  
Well there was a useless poll.

Would it have killed you to be a bit more specific?  More like Bernie how?  His positions, his age, his whatever?  I guarantee you that if nothing else, the liberals and the conservatives who responded to that poll were answering different questions.
 
2018-07-12 06:41:24 AM  
Democrats want and need someone they can get excited about.

sorry Bernie haters, he was someone people got excited about.  Again, nobody wants milquetoast anymore.
 
2018-07-12 06:43:47 AM  

pkjun: shpritz: NobleHam: I'd like more leftist candidates in places they can win. I'm not sure "be like Bernie" is a great national strategy though.

I think more leftist candidates can be very successful even in red states if they find a good way to frame their message. When polled about specific policies Americans consistently show support for more progressive ideas (especially on economic issues). But Republicans just go "oogah boogah communism" and the candidates espousing those policies keep losing.

The US is a country of democratic socialists in denial.

White voters are in favour of social programs until you remind them that black people will also benefit from those programs. This isn't just historical observation; this is proven in controlled psychological studies.

But racist voters get even more racist if you bring up racism as a problem.

Democrats cannot successfully run on economic justice until they either figure out how to respond to Republican race-baiting, figure out how to make white voters less racist, or figure out how to build an electoral coalition without the majority of white voters.


I have decided to refrain from electoral triangulation, as I believe that's a big part of what got us here.  In fact, I think it's the BIGGEST part of what got us here that we have personal control over.

Present the best vision you have for people.  Stop assuming you can predict their behavior.  And for gods' sakes stop assuming their motivations for that behavior.

Give it a try.  Seriously.  Just once.
 
2018-07-12 07:01:13 AM  
What you mean "we" Kemosabe? He wasn't really suggesting anything that the rest of Europe wasn't already doing very successfully.
 
2018-07-12 07:01:43 AM  

BeesNuts: pkjun: shpritz: NobleHam: I'd like more leftist candidates in places they can win. I'm not sure "be like Bernie" is a great national strategy though.

I think more leftist candidates can be very successful even in red states if they find a good way to frame their message. When polled about specific policies Americans consistently show support for more progressive ideas (especially on economic issues). But Republicans just go "oogah boogah communism" and the candidates espousing those policies keep losing.

The US is a country of democratic socialists in denial.

White voters are in favour of social programs until you remind them that black people will also benefit from those programs. This isn't just historical observation; this is proven in controlled psychological studies.

But racist voters get even more racist if you bring up racism as a problem.

Democrats cannot successfully run on economic justice until they either figure out how to respond to Republican race-baiting, figure out how to make white voters less racist, or figure out how to build an electoral coalition without the majority of white voters.

I have decided to refrain from electoral triangulation, as I believe that's a big part of what got us here.  In fact, I think it's the BIGGEST part of what got us here that we have personal control over.

Present the best vision you have for people.  Stop assuming you can predict their behavior.  And for gods' sakes stop assuming their motivations for that behavior.

Give it a try.  Seriously.  Just once.


It would be nice if Democrats tried to affect public opinion instead of whining that a liberal idea isn't popular enough to support. Remember when Obama said "hey, you know there's really nothing bad about gay people getting married and there are a lot of good reasons to make it legal" and in weeks something that had just under 50% approval jumped to like 60%?

If Dems made good arguments about what they want to do and why and what the benefits will be to everyone they could drive public opinion the way Republicans do. That's what we need from all future Democratic candidates.
 
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