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2018-07-12 09:58:15 AM  

mrshowrules: Haters going to hate

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Ben Carson is a competent brain surgeon. Would you trust him with your water supply?
 
2018-07-12 09:59:03 AM  

NEDM: drew8895: Farking Clown Shoes: I hope he can help put out that raging dumpster fire in the White House, too, while he's at it.

He can navigate his submarine directly through Melanie's escape tunnel.

Musk for pres? 2020 Musk vs. Oprah? Who do I vote for?

Oprah, because the South African national is ineligible to run for President.


But Obama ran in 08 even reelect him.
 
2018-07-12 10:03:10 AM  
"Because once you have a submarine, anything is possible "

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2018-07-12 10:10:21 AM  

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Ben Carson is a competent brain surgeon. Would you trust him with your water supply?


Elon Musk is successful across diverse areas of science and entrepreneurship.   If I knew I was going to draw a random problem from a bag and had to pick 1 person beforehand to deal with it.  Musk would be on my short list.
 
2018-07-12 10:10:28 AM  
This dude is attention whore personified.
 
2018-07-12 10:11:02 AM  

This text is now purple: mrshowrules: Not sure how relevant but

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His previous girlfriend:
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Which was the one who kept posting videos of his "non-autonomous guidance system" as an autonomous guidance system?


I'd nail with or without a guidance system.
 
2018-07-12 10:11:43 AM  

ThreadSinger: alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.

This must be really important to you, having posted this here and on Ars Technica.


Yeah because I live there.
 
2018-07-12 10:13:01 AM  
Did he want to buy Flint as well?  I'm sure no one in Michigan would object to that.   I wouldn't.
 
2018-07-12 10:13:43 AM  

Corn_Fed: ThreadSinger: alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.

This must be really important to you, having posted this here and on Ars Technica.

Why do you not want factual information to be posted?


Why do you not like the whole truth posted? Is it because you're scared of your own reality being torn down?
 
2018-07-12 10:18:17 AM  

mrshowrules: This text is now purple: mrshowrules: Haters going to hate

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Ben Carson is a competent brain surgeon. Would you trust him with your water supply?

Elon Musk is successful across diverse areas of science and entrepreneurship.   If I knew I was going to draw a random problem from a bag and had to pick 1 person beforehand to deal with it.  Musk would be on my short list.


It wouldn't work. Musk is not a inventor he's a businessman who has other people do things for him once he gets the he gets the cash.
 
2018-07-12 10:27:23 AM  
I wish I could afford a luxury submarine. I would barely use it to traffic drugs.
 
2018-07-12 10:38:59 AM  

alice_600: ThreadSinger: alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.

This must be really important to you, having posted this here and on Ars Technica.

Yeah because I live there.


So Obama-appointed Gina McCarthy resigned for no particular reason?

The Virginia Tech researchers who originally found the high lead levels (and tried to publish them), indicated that the failure was at the local, state, and federal levels.

/If we relied on Democratic appointees alone, the public still wouldn't know about the lead problem.
 
2018-07-12 10:43:37 AM  

alice_600: mrshowrules: This text is now purple: mrshowrules: Haters going to hate

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Ben Carson is a competent brain surgeon. Would you trust him with your water supply?

Elon Musk is successful across diverse areas of science and entrepreneurship.   If I knew I was going to draw a random problem from a bag and had to pick 1 person beforehand to deal with it.  Musk would be on my short list.

It wouldn't work. Musk is not a inventor he's a businessman who has other people do things for him once he gets the he gets the cash.


I assume he would hire the right people to do the job.  He's good at that.  If I had to pick one person to solve a random problem and they had to work alone with no help - I'd pick someone like Jason Momoa in case it involved lifting or axe throwing.
 
2018-07-12 10:46:26 AM  

eiger: This dude is attention whore personified.


True but that is not what pisses people off.  He's like the poster child of pissing of anti-intellectuals.  He has an optimism about the future and thinks intellectualism and technology can help.  That pisses off certain people for some reason.
 
2018-07-12 10:49:38 AM  

Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.


FOR THE LOVE OF FSM THIS.
 
2018-07-12 11:09:58 AM  

Brat E. Pants: Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.

FOR THE LOVE OF FSM THIS.


He called you an asshole.
 
2018-07-12 11:29:28 AM  

Dave2042: Yes he's a dickhead, but can we stick to hating him for real stuff that he actually does wrong?


Why would you say that?   He uses his superpowers for good!

All he's trying to do is return to his home planet, using stone knives and bare skin.
 
2018-07-12 11:31:35 AM  
Elon "Bruce Wayne" Musk
 
2018-07-12 11:41:15 AM  

WTFDYW: He can't keep his cars from catching fire. He's not doing shiat for Flint.


Do you normally walk into a room asshole first?
 
2018-07-12 12:01:27 PM  

srb68: Elon "Bruce Wayne" Musk


The more general consensus is that Musk is Tony Stark - not Bruce Wayne.
 
2018-07-12 12:03:20 PM  

mrshowrules: True but that is not what pisses people off. He's like the poster child of pissing of anti-intellectuals. He has an optimism about the future and thinks intellectualism and technology can help. That pisses off certain people for some reason.


A more likely reason is that many of his ideas are pretty stupid.  He's certainly a visionary with ideas ranging achievable to wishful thinking. But even a visionary needs to run their ideas through some kind of sanity filter and not just blurt them out.
 
2018-07-12 12:08:43 PM  

drew8895: Oh let him fly his submarine into Flint and do it! Don't be a hater. Who else is going to do it after four years have gone by.


Fly his submarine? What is this, Final Fantasy? Does Cid work for him?
 
2018-07-12 12:29:33 PM  
If he actually follows through with this, that will be cool. Has he, yet?

People announce shiat all the time. Announcing you're going to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

Let us know when he actually does it. Until then, it's just PR.
 
2018-07-12 12:32:09 PM  

Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.


Yeah, we should demonize the democrats who created the situation...
 
2018-07-12 12:34:00 PM  
If we have reached the point the we the society that needs a water supply, can only think to beg for some wealthy outsider to come save us.
If we the society of people make ourselves so powerless to see to any of our basic needs of life on our own, and we can only image our own lives as a means to provide profit to someone else.

Then we deserve the enslavement we ask for, and death if we do not serve our masters well enough.
 
2018-07-12 12:56:42 PM  

CheatCommando: WTFDYW: He can't keep his cars from catching fire. He's not doing shiat for Flint.
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i believe the critic is the only voice left
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2018-07-12 01:10:15 PM  

drxym: mrshowrules: True but that is not what pisses people off. He's like the poster child of pissing of anti-intellectuals. He has an optimism about the future and thinks intellectualism and technology can help. That pisses off certain people for some reason.

A more likely reason is that many of his ideas are pretty stupid.  He's certainly a visionary with ideas ranging achievable to wishful thinking. But even a visionary needs to run their ideas through some kind of sanity filter and not just blurt them out.


Alexander Graham Bell tried to invent a machine that read people's thoughts. His dumb ideas are not why they dislike him.  They will like him more if he was a crazy/foolish inventor/entrepreneur.

Blurting out ideas first so other people in a team can consider them is actually a pretty smart process.  Discuss it afterwards.  Sometimes a foolish idea is only flawed in one and could be adjusted into a pretty good idea.
 
2018-07-12 01:19:33 PM  

alice_600: Dave2042: Yes he's a dickhead, but can we stick to hating him for real stuff that he actually does wrong?

I hate him and his PR campaign trying to make him seem like he's some goddamn Tony Stark.


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2018-07-12 01:28:13 PM  

LouisZepher: drew8895: Oh let him fly his submarine into Flint and do it! Don't be a hater. Who else is going to do it after four years have gone by.

Fly his submarine? What is this, Final Fantasy? Does Cid work for him?

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Here's hoping he don't suggest storing all of the worlds nuclear waste on the moon.
 
2018-07-12 01:53:37 PM  

dittybopper: Despite that fact, Democrats have been blaming the Republicans for the lead contamination crisis in Flint, MI.  Democrats were in charge, and didn't provide proper oversight and assure that corrosion inhibitors were used when they switched water supplies, and then proceeded to blame the *STATE* government for the problem, when in fact it was wholly a local issue.


Indeed, and it ought to be pointed out that the Flint Water Crises happened because the City of Detroit (also predominantly Black and Democrat like Flint) charges out the arse for water, since the city barely has any tax base and thus tries to rape surrounding communities to make up for it and since Flint also has barely any tax base, they couldn't pay the exorbitant fees so the city council decided to switch to the old and busted Flint water system, poisoning all kinda people in the process.

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2018-07-12 01:56:12 PM  

alice_600: mrshowrules: This text is now purple: mrshowrules: Haters going to hate

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Ben Carson is a competent brain surgeon. Would you trust him with your water supply?

Elon Musk is successful across diverse areas of science and entrepreneurship.   If I knew I was going to draw a random problem from a bag and had to pick 1 person beforehand to deal with it.  Musk would be on my short list.

It wouldn't work. Musk is not a inventor he's a businessman who has other people do things for him once he gets the he gets the cash.


Other than the half-dozen of things he has patents on (as in, his name is on the patent, not that he owns the rights).  And, you know, the first thing he did to make money was build a preview of modern directory systems; he wrote the initial code for it himself, then brought in his brother and a friend.  He's still listed a a co-creator on that one and two others; he's also got 3 design patents related to the Tesla.

Granted, he's mostly what I would call a hub: he has ideas and finds people to work with him to implement them.  That's a bit more than just being a good businessman, though.
 
2018-07-12 03:01:05 PM  

alice_600: I hate him and his PR campaign trying to make him seem like he's some goddamn Tony Stark.


Tony was an alcoholic and didn't give a rat's arse about philanthropy.

A far better comparison would be Adrian Veidt.

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2018-07-12 03:07:52 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Did he want to buy Flint as well?  I'm sure no one in Michigan would object to that.   I wouldn't.


I doubt he'd get much return on such an investment.  Flint is basically Michigan's version of Gary, Indiana.
 
2018-07-12 03:41:26 PM  

GrymRpr: LouisZepher: drew8895: Oh let him fly his submarine into Flint and do it! Don't be a hater. Who else is going to do it after four years have gone by.

Fly his submarine? What is this, Final Fantasy? Does Cid work for him?
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Here's hoping he don't suggest storing all of the worlds nuclear waste on the moon.


Is SHADO pronounced like SKIDO?
 
2018-07-12 04:42:34 PM  

LouisZepher: GrymRpr: LouisZepher: drew8895: Oh let him fly his submarine into Flint and do it! Don't be a hater. Who else is going to do it after four years have gone by.

Fly his submarine? What is this, Final Fantasy? Does Cid work for him?
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Here's hoping he don't suggest storing all of the worlds nuclear waste on the moon.

Is SHADO pronounced like SKIDO?


Shadow
 
2018-07-13 09:59:10 AM  

hariseldon: dittybopper: Despite that fact, Democrats have been blaming the Republicans for the lead contamination crisis in Flint, MI.  Democrats were in charge, and didn't provide proper oversight and assure that corrosion inhibitors were used when they switched water supplies, and then proceeded to blame the *STATE* government for the problem, when in fact it was wholly a local issue.

Indeed, and it ought to be pointed out that the Flint Water Crises happened because the City of Detroit (also predominantly Black and Democrat like Flint) charges out the arse for water, since the city barely has any tax base and thus tries to rape surrounding communities to make up for it and since Flint also has barely any tax base, they couldn't pay the exorbitant fees so the city council decided to switch to the old and busted Flint water system, poisoning all kinda people in the process.

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I know that Conservatives hate the truth and love to vote up each other's lies, but I am sick of your lying asses getting away with it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w​a​y/2016/04/20/465545378/lead-laced-wate​r-in-flint-a-step-by-step-look-at-the-​makings-of-a-crisis


MDEQ Director Dan Wyant and spokesperson Brad Wurfel resign, MLive reports. This comes a day after the Flint Water Advisory Task Force, created by the governor, releases a preliminary report on the crisis and concludes that primary responsibility rests with the MDEQ.
 
2018-07-13 10:33:07 AM  

GrymRpr: LouisZepher: drew8895: Oh let him fly his submarine into Flint and do it! Don't be a hater. Who else is going to do it after four years have gone by.

Fly his submarine? What is this, Final Fantasy? Does Cid work for him?
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Here's hoping he don't suggest storing all of the worlds nuclear waste on the moon.


I recognized that submarine.
 
2018-07-13 10:46:34 AM  

CheatCommando: hariseldon: dittybopper: Despite that fact, Democrats have been blaming the Republicans for the lead contamination crisis in Flint, MI.  Democrats were in charge, and didn't provide proper oversight and assure that corrosion inhibitors were used when they switched water supplies, and then proceeded to blame the *STATE* government for the problem, when in fact it was wholly a local issue.

Indeed, and it ought to be pointed out that the Flint Water Crises happened because the City of Detroit (also predominantly Black and Democrat like Flint) charges out the arse for water, since the city barely has any tax base and thus tries to rape surrounding communities to make up for it and since Flint also has barely any tax base, they couldn't pay the exorbitant fees so the city council decided to switch to the old and busted Flint water system, poisoning all kinda people in the process.

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I know that Conservatives hate the truth and love to vote up each other's lies, but I am sick of your lying asses getting away with it.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-wa​y/2016/04/20/465545378/lead-laced-wate​r-in-flint-a-step-by-step-look-at-the-​makings-of-a-crisis


MDEQ Director Dan Wyant and spokesperson Brad Wurfel resign, MLive reports. This comes a day after the Flint Water Advisory Task Force, created by the governor, releases a preliminary report on the crisis and concludes that primary responsibility rests with the MDEQ.


Also from MLive:
the city disregarded federal rules requiring it to seek out homes with lead plumbing for testing, potentially leading the city and state to underestimate for months the extent of toxic lead leaching into Flint's tap water

From the Virginia Tech researchers who first discovered the lead problem in Flint.
Del Toral, gagged and effectively placed under house arrest by EPA Region 5 Administrator and political appointee Susan Hedman . . . Hedman worked hand in hand with MDEQ to cover up Flint's water woes and evade accountability for the growing disaster. EPA knew about MDEQ's illegal actions since at least April 2015, and did nothing to protect Flint residents. EPA has also known about blatant misrepresentations on water lead safety since 2004 across the United States, and has repeatedly helped cover up more recent problems in other cities such as New Orleans.

/Quick side note: Officials in DC didn't do any better than the officials involved in Flint when it came to high lead levels in the water. This is relevant, because the Michigan officials cited the DC report:
When confronted with decades of peer reviewed articles demonstrating that lead in water exposures could cause lead poisoning, especially amongst infants less than 1 year old, Michigan health officials repeatedly cited new research by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) that indicated there was nothing to worry about.
The CDC had concluded that exposure to astronomical levels of lead in Washington D.C. drinking water, did not elevate the blood lead of any children over CDC levels of concern even in the "worst case" exposures. It took 6 years of volunteer work by scientists, D.C. citizens and a bi-partisan Congressional Investigation to reveal that this 2004 CDC report was "scientifically indefensible."
 
2018-07-13 01:05:02 PM  
IIRC SpaceX doesn't file patents on their inventions, because it would reveal them.
 
2018-07-13 04:43:37 PM  
hariseldon: City of Detroit (also predominantly Black and Democrat like Flint) charges out the arse for water, since the city barely has any tax base and thus tries to rape surrounding communities to make up for it and since Flint also has barely any tax base, they couldn't pay the exorbitant fees so the city council decided to switch to the old and busted Flint water system, poisoning all kinda people in the process.

CheatCommando: I know that Conservatives hate the truth and love to vote up each other's lies, but I am sick of your lying asses getting away with it.

MDEQ Director Dan Wyant and spokesperson Brad Wurfel resign, MLive reports. This comes a day after the Flint Water Advisory Task Force, created by the governor, releases a preliminary report on the crisis and concludes that primary responsibility rests with the MDEQ.


Like I said; the root problem was the City of Detroit gouging surrounding communities for water because it's a Democrat run third-world shiat hole.

FTFA:
June 2012-April 2013: Flint Looks For Cheaper Water
Flint officials explore whether the city can save money by switching from its current provider, the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department (DWSD). City and state officials weigh an alternative: Flint could build its own pipeline to connect to the Karegnondi Water Authority (KWA). That option was projected to save the region $200 million over 25 years, according to City Council meeting minutes.


In addition to NPR conveniently failing to mention the outrageous costs of being on Detroit's water system, it doesn't bother informing readers that the City of Detroit actually sued Flint when they wanted to leave Detroit's water system.

I live in Warren MI (which borders the city of Detroit) and we built our own water treatment plant years ago and my monthly water is bill is under $15.00.  Meanwhile, residents of neighboring communities still tied to Detroit's water system are paying over $100 per month.
 
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