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2018-07-12 07:47:25 AM  
Where's all the black inventors? Maybe they can invent some awesome stuff.
 
2018-07-12 08:02:41 AM  
So, if he raises the Fitz and doesn't salvage the 26,000 tons of iron ore there will be heck to pay according to some terms by a couple of steel firms in Cleveland.

/Whatcha got there?
//Iron ore
///Iron ore what?
/V Iron ore
V  You know how this ends
V/ Twenty minutes from now
 
2018-07-12 08:08:07 AM  

Dave2042: Yes he's a dickhead, but can we stick to hating him for real stuff that he actually does wrong?


If the reaction of Fark to Donald Trump is any indication, the answer is an emphatic "No, we can not".
 
2018-07-12 08:08:37 AM  

Vtimlin: fusillade762: WTFDYW: He can't keep his cars from catching fire. He's not doing shiat for Flint.

a driver is 5 times more likely to experience a fire in a conventional gas-powered car than in an electric car

Of course, there are 1000000x more gas powered cars.


I'm not a rocket surgeon, but I'm pretty sure that's not how statistics work.
 
2018-07-12 08:10:10 AM  

Vtimlin: alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.

Darnell Early was apointed by Jennifer Granholm (D).


Snyder still started this mess with the emergency managers he appointed.
 
2018-07-12 08:11:30 AM  
Haters gonna hate.  Keep doing you, Elon.
 
2018-07-12 08:11:56 AM  

Boojum2k: alice_600: Dave2042: Yes he's a dickhead, but can we stick to hating him for real stuff that he actually does wrong?

I hate him and his PR campaign trying to make him seem like he's some goddamn Tony Stark.

[img.fark.net image 425x283]As far as the Thai are concerned, he IS Iron Man.

/On the wrong side of the universe during the climactic battle. . .


All he did was smile for the camera and show off his NAMBLA submarines.
 
2018-07-12 08:13:06 AM  

Riche: What?!? The guy is just offering water filters to people who can show they need them. Jeez.

[img.fark.net image 541x531]


This.  "Ooh, everything is going to be fixed in a year...or three...maybe four, he should just butt out."  Well, guessing the people at the shiat end of the list who are going to be waiting 4 years PROBABLY are the ones who qualify as needing a water filter.

Jesus fark people.  Judging by all of the links (and the duplicate 5 threads up from this one) someone is REALLY invested in telling people that rich people shouldn't ever do anything for anyone and we should all just know our place and be patient.
 
2018-07-12 08:13:35 AM  

Munden: Haters gonna hate.  Keep doing you, Elon.


I rather he go away. He's just another Edison disguised as Nicolas Tesla.
 
2018-07-12 08:16:55 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Riche: What?!? The guy is just offering water filters to people who can show they need them. Jeez.

[img.fark.net image 541x531]

This.  "Ooh, everything is going to be fixed in a year...or three...maybe four, he should just butt out."  Well, guessing the people at the shiat end of the list who are going to be waiting 4 years PROBABLY are the ones who qualify as needing a water filter.

Jesus fark people.  Judging by all of the links (and the duplicate 5 threads up from this one) someone is REALLY invested in telling people that rich people shouldn't ever do anything for anyone and we should all just know our place and be patient.


Everyone the past three years of this mess has by now a water filter. What's going on now is the wait and no I don't need a rich guy to help us.
 
2018-07-12 08:19:20 AM  

MrScruffles: What I want to know is how the Flint Michigan officials haven't been voted out.  Did the water contaminate their brain to the point of no longer being able to vote?  Maybe I'm wrong, but this issue has been going on for years now hasn't it?


Take a look at the politics of the Flint, MI area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint,_​M​ichigan#Politics

Most politicians are affiliated with the Democratic party despite the city's elections being nonpartisan.[85] In 2006, Flint was the 10th most liberal city in the United States, according to a nationwide study by the non-partisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research which examined the voting patterns of 237 cities with a population over 100,000. Flint placed just after San Francisco (9) and before Seattle (16) and New York City (21).[93]

Despite that fact, Democrats have been blaming the Republicans for the lead contamination crisis in Flint, MI.  Democrats were in charge, and didn't provide proper oversight and assure that corrosion inhibitors were used when they switched water supplies, and then proceeded to blame the *STATE* government for the problem, when in fact it was wholly a local issue.

This is the sort of thing you get when you have a political monoculture (either left or right, Democrat or Republican).  You get corruption, finger-pointing, and no one has any incentive to actually fix the problem (or prevent it in the first place) because they don't have to worry about the "other side" using it as a campaign issue and losing elections, because the morons keep re-electing them.
 
2018-07-12 08:22:33 AM  

alice_600: LowbrowDeluxe: Riche: What?!? The guy is just offering water filters to people who can show they need them. Jeez.

[img.fark.net image 541x531]

This.  "Ooh, everything is going to be fixed in a year...or three...maybe four, he should just butt out."  Well, guessing the people at the shiat end of the list who are going to be waiting 4 years PROBABLY are the ones who qualify as needing a water filter.

Jesus fark people.  Judging by all of the links (and the duplicate 5 threads up from this one) someone is REALLY invested in telling people that rich people shouldn't ever do anything for anyone and we should all just know our place and be patient.

Everyone the past three years of this mess has by now a water filter. What's going on now is the wait and no I don't need a rich guy to help us.


You do realize we're not talking about a 1 gallon Brita?  If no one at all anywhere in the city needs it, well all well and good, then.  They don't.  Not sure how the offer is a problem, but if it's not needed it's not needed.  Hell of thing to speak for every other single person and tell him to fark off if any of them do, though.
 
2018-07-12 08:23:01 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Who are you working for? Is it Big Oil? Big Water? Big Lead? Mr. Big? Mr. Mister?


I didn't realise I could be paid for trolling Musk fans :)
 
2018-07-12 08:24:57 AM  

Vtimlin: alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.

Darnell Early was apointed by Jennifer Granholm (D).


I can't call you a liar, but you are lying by omission. Granholm appointed him to the state Natural Resource Commission in 2005. He didn't have anything to do with Flint until 2011 when he was appointed by Snyder (R) to the Flint Review Board. He then went on to become the Emergency Manager in 2013.

The actual decision to switch from DWSD to KWA (the decision which ultimately poisoned Flint's water supply) was made by Ed Kurtz.. Who has since gone on record to say his job "did not include ensuring safe drinking water." He was a real PoS.
 
2018-07-12 08:25:02 AM  
It's nice that he's simply offering to buy filtration systems instead of demoing some branded gadget.

Still though, we shouldn't really get comfortable waiting for Musk ex Machina to arrive and solve problems, we should be forcing local politicians to drink the unfiltered water until they provide a solution for the problem they caused.
 
2018-07-12 08:29:01 AM  

dittybopper: MrScruffles: What I want to know is how the Flint Michigan officials haven't been voted out.  Did the water contaminate their brain to the point of no longer being able to vote?  Maybe I'm wrong, but this issue has been going on for years now hasn't it?

Take a look at the politics of the Flint, MI area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint,_M​ichigan#Politics

Most politicians are affiliated with the Democratic party despite the city's elections being nonpartisan.[85] In 2006, Flint was the 10th most liberal city in the United States, according to a nationwide study by the non-partisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research which examined the voting patterns of 237 cities with a population over 100,000. Flint placed just after San Francisco (9) and before Seattle (16) and New York City (21).[93]

Despite that fact, Democrats have been blaming the Republicans for the lead contamination crisis in Flint, MI.  Democrats were in charge, and didn't provide proper oversight and assure that corrosion inhibitors were used when they switched water supplies, and then proceeded to blame the *STATE* government for the problem, when in fact it was wholly a local issue.

This is the sort of thing you get when you have a political monoculture (either left or right, Democrat or Republican).  You get corruption, finger-pointing, and no one has any incentive to actually fix the problem (or prevent it in the first place) because they don't have to worry about the "other side" using it as a campaign issue and losing elections, because the morons keep re-electing them.


It's weird that you're leaving out the actions of the state government that lead to this result and their efforts to cover it up.
 
2018-07-12 08:29:50 AM  

Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.


The solution is Flint is simple, it's just prohibitively expensive.

You need to repipe the interior of half the houses in flint, because either the pipes themselves or (much more commonly) their solder joints contain lead.

It's mostly not an issue with the lead in the source water or leeching from the municipal piping.

Repiping is simple. It's just about $20-30k per house.
 
2018-07-12 08:31:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

Who are you working for?  Is it Big Oil? Big Water? Big Lead?  Mr. Big?  Mr. Mister?


Do you think you have to pay mediocrities to rag on men who have actually accomplished something?
 
2018-07-12 08:32:36 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: alice_600: LowbrowDeluxe: Riche: What?!? The guy is just offering water filters to people who can show they need them. Jeez.

[img.fark.net image 541x531]

This.  "Ooh, everything is going to be fixed in a year...or three...maybe four, he should just butt out."  Well, guessing the people at the shiat end of the list who are going to be waiting 4 years PROBABLY are the ones who qualify as needing a water filter.

Jesus fark people.  Judging by all of the links (and the duplicate 5 threads up from this one) someone is REALLY invested in telling people that rich people shouldn't ever do anything for anyone and we should all just know our place and be patient.

Everyone the past three years of this mess has by now a water filter. What's going on now is the wait and no I don't need a rich guy to help us.

You do realize we're not talking about a 1 gallon Brita?  If no one at all anywhere in the city needs it, well all well and good, then.  They don't.  Not sure how the offer is a problem, but if it's not needed it's not needed.  Hell of thing to speak for every other single person and tell him to fark off if any of them do, though.


It will be years before all of the lines are replaced and the city is ending it's free bottled water program as we speak.  But y'know fark more help.  Alice is good.
 
2018-07-12 08:33:23 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: alice_600: LowbrowDeluxe: Riche: What?!? The guy is just offering water filters to people who can show they need them. Jeez.

[img.fark.net image 541x531]

This.  "Ooh, everything is going to be fixed in a year...or three...maybe four, he should just butt out."  Well, guessing the people at the shiat end of the list who are going to be waiting 4 years PROBABLY are the ones who qualify as needing a water filter.

Jesus fark people.  Judging by all of the links (and the duplicate 5 threads up from this one) someone is REALLY invested in telling people that rich people shouldn't ever do anything for anyone and we should all just know our place and be patient.

Everyone the past three years of this mess has by now a water filter. What's going on now is the wait and no I don't need a rich guy to help us.

You do realize we're not talking about a 1 gallon Brita?  If no one at all anywhere in the city needs it, well all well and good, then.  They don't.  Not sure how the offer is a problem, but if it's not needed it's not needed.  Hell of thing to speak for every other single person and tell him to fark off if any of them do, though.


Neoliberalism is characterized by austerity measures that are so drastic they convince people they have to do the things themselves that they were paying taxes for.

As a result, they praise Musk for doing what we should have had done already. And people filling in their own road potholes are heroes because it absolves the State from failing its citizens. That is what I'm against when it comes to Flint.
 
2018-07-12 08:34:56 AM  

dittybopper: If the reaction of Fark to Donald Trump is any indication, the answer is an emphatic "No, we can not".


So now you are comparing a man who has actually accomplished real things in his life with Donald Trump?
Do you think people should hold accomplished men and hollow frauds in the same level of esteem?
Donald Trump has never had a real job, or been in a real fight. He is not a man, by any reasonable definition, at all, let alone an accomplished one
Comparing him to Musk insults Musk, and human intelligence in general.
 
2018-07-12 08:36:12 AM  
Bezos should run for president in 20'.
For shiats and giggles
 
2018-07-12 08:37:35 AM  

This text is now purple: Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.

The solution is Flint is simple, it's just prohibitively expensive.

You need to repipe the interior of half the houses in flint, because either the pipes themselves or (much more commonly) their solder joints contain lead.

It's mostly not an issue with the lead in the source water or leeching from the municipal piping.

Repiping is simple. It's just about $20-30k per house.


Ever heard of PEX? Plumbers hate it cause it seriously takes 1/10th the labor for a considerably more reliable product, especially with the modern expansion fittings that never fail as opposed to old compression ones. Materials are about 1/4 cost of copper too.
 
2018-07-12 08:39:03 AM  

jso2897: dittybopper: If the reaction of Fark to Donald Trump is any indication, the answer is an emphatic "No, we can not".

So now you are comparing a man who has actually accomplished real things in his life with Donald Trump?
Do you think people should hold accomplished men and hollow frauds in the same level of esteem?
Donald Trump has never had a real job, or been in a real fight. He is not a man, by any reasonable definition, at all, let alone an accomplished one
Comparing him to Musk insults Musk, and human intelligence in general.


You just proved ditty's point.
 
2018-07-12 08:41:03 AM  

astelmaszek: This text is now purple: Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.

The solution is Flint is simple, it's just prohibitively expensive.

You need to repipe the interior of half the houses in flint, because either the pipes themselves or (much more commonly) their solder joints contain lead.

It's mostly not an issue with the lead in the source water or leeching from the municipal piping.

Repiping is simple. It's just about $20-30k per house.

Ever heard of PEX? Plumbers hate it cause it seriously takes 1/10th the labor for a considerably more reliable product, especially with the modern expansion fittings that never fail as opposed to old compression ones. Materials are about 1/4 cost of copper too.


You still need to rip out all the old piping (unlike electrical, the volume it takes up can't be neglected) and rehook all the fixturing, as well as run new piping up through blind holes behind walls -- unless you want to tear the walls down to make access.

About half the price is for carpentry and masonry, not plumbing or materials.
 
2018-07-12 08:44:55 AM  

lindseyp: Gas-powered cars also have a tendency to explode, not just burn.


The burning battery problem has been fixed.  The new lithium polymer batteries won't have that problem.
 
2018-07-12 08:53:22 AM  

astelmaszek: This text is now purple: Mitch Mitchell: I don't live in Flint, and neither do most of you other assholes, but don't demonize those that are trying to help.

The solution is Flint is simple, it's just prohibitively expensive.

You need to repipe the interior of half the houses in flint, because either the pipes themselves or (much more commonly) their solder joints contain lead.

It's mostly not an issue with the lead in the source water or leeching from the municipal piping.

Repiping is simple. It's just about $20-30k per house.

Ever heard of PEX? Plumbers hate it cause it seriously takes 1/10th the labor for a considerably more reliable product, especially with the modern expansion fittings that never fail as opposed to old compression ones. Materials are about 1/4 cost of copper too.


This DIY guy right here loves the stuff. I can see why they hate it.
 
2018-07-12 08:53:41 AM  

Rapmaster2000: drxym:Mr. Mister?


Everybody wants to rule the world
 
2018-07-12 09:04:26 AM  
Farking Clown Shoes:

He can navigate his submarine directly through Melanie's escape tunnel.

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-07-12 09:07:08 AM  

Just Arrived: Ever heard of PEX? Plumbers hate it cause it seriously takes 1/10th the labor for a considerably more reliable product, especially with the modern expansion fittings that never fail as opposed to old compression ones. Materials are about 1/4 cost of copper too.

This DIY guy right here loves the stuff. I can see why they hate it.


I'm curious to see how it holds up over time. Aluminum wiring and CSST gas lines were regarded as a panacea for a time, but aluminum is no longer code compliant and CSST is no longer in some areas (like mine).
 
2018-07-12 09:10:44 AM  
And to answer the second part of the headline -- as an engineering problem, the Fitz could be raised. It's a solvable problem.

However, it's also a grave site, so it's illegal to raise or salvage.
 
2018-07-12 09:13:54 AM  
How's Elon  doing in Puerto Rico?
 
2018-07-12 09:13:58 AM  

This text is now purple: And to answer the second part of the headline -- as an engineering problem, the Fitz could be raised. It's a solvable problem.

However, it's also a grave site, so it's illegal to raise or salvage.


And as an added complication, the wreck field straddles an international border. Part lies in US water and part lies in Canadian waters, and Michigan, Ontario, American, and Canadian laws differ regarding what you can and cannot do to the remains.
 
2018-07-12 09:14:11 AM  

alice_600: Munden: Haters gonna hate.  Keep doing you, Elon.

I rather he go away. He's just another Edison disguised as Nicolas Tesla.


I don't particularly care if his motives are altruistic or self serving. When wealthy people want to help, and actually go through the motions of delivering on that help, there's little reason to turn their offers down.  The people in need aren't exactly in a position to choose their saviors.
Why should they?  To support the notion that only a government is allowed to help them?

Governments are just as self serving as the wealthy if not more so. In many cases a government is incapable of fulfilling its promises, despite having plenty of resources and time to do so, simply because it's more interested in milking a problem than solving it.
I mean, flint's water has been a problem for multiple election cycles and it shouldn't even be a discussion at this point. The fact that Elon even has a faucet left to put a filter on is a shame on every local official.

Maybe he's only doing it to feel good, but that is his right. Four years into an ongoing disaster he should be given every brownie point he earns for putting a final end to it.
 
2018-07-12 09:14:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's nice that he's simply offering to buy filtration systems instead of demoing some branded gadget.

Still though, we shouldn't really get comfortable waiting for Musk ex Machina to arrive and solve problems, we should be forcing local politicians to drink the unfiltered water until they provide a solution for the problem they caused.


I think the takeaway should be more 'as rich as he is, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the US budget.  shiat ain't hard, it just needs to be done.'  It's not a replacement for government doing it's job, it's a scathing indictment.
 
2018-07-12 09:18:57 AM  

Rapmaster2000: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

Who are you working for?  Is it Big Oil? Big Water? Big Lead?  Mr. Big?  Mr. Mister?


Maybe they carry a laser down the roads they must travel.
 
2018-07-12 09:27:19 AM  

lindseyp: Gas-powered cars also have a tendency to explode, not just burn.


Explode?  

Gasoline doesn't work that way.
 
2018-07-12 09:31:04 AM  

WTFDYW: He can't keep his cars from catching fire. He's not doing shiat for Flint.

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2018-07-12 09:34:11 AM  

This text is now purple: jso2897: dittybopper: If the reaction of Fark to Donald Trump is any indication, the answer is an emphatic "No, we can not".

So now you are comparing a man who has actually accomplished real things in his life with Donald Trump?
Do you think people should hold accomplished men and hollow frauds in the same level of esteem?
Donald Trump has never had a real job, or been in a real fight. He is not a man, by any reasonable definition, at all, let alone an accomplished one
Comparing him to Musk insults Musk, and human intelligence in general.

You just proved ditty's point.


Ivanka's still not going to sleep with you, you know.
 
2018-07-12 09:34:26 AM  

dittybopper: MrScruffles: What I want to know is how the Flint Michigan officials haven't been voted out.  Did the water contaminate their brain to the point of no longer being able to vote?  Maybe I'm wrong, but this issue has been going on for years now hasn't it?

Take a look at the politics of the Flint, MI area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint,_M​ichigan#Politics

Most politicians are affiliated with the Democratic party despite the city's elections being nonpartisan.[85] In 2006, Flint was the 10th most liberal city in the United States, according to a nationwide study by the non-partisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research which examined the voting patterns of 237 cities with a population over 100,000. Flint placed just after San Francisco (9) and before Seattle (16) and New York City (21).[93]

Despite that fact, Democrats have been blaming the Republicans for the lead contamination crisis in Flint, MI.  Democrats were in charge, and didn't provide proper oversight and assure that corrosion inhibitors were used when they switched water supplies, and then proceeded to blame the *STATE* government for the problem, when in fact it was wholly a local issue.

This is the sort of thing you get when you have a political monoculture (either left or right, Democrat or Republican).  You get corruption, finger-pointing, and no one has any incentive to actually fix the problem (or prevent it in the first place) because they don't have to worry about the "other side" using it as a campaign issue and losing elections, because the morons keep re-electing them.


Lying right-wingers will lie. The Flint water crisis was caused by state officials (NOT local), all solidly Republican.
 
2018-07-12 09:34:57 AM  

dailygrinds: lindseyp: Gas-powered cars also have a tendency to explode, not just burn.

That statement seems dubious. I've witnessed the tendency of many cars to experience oxidation, but never at a rate that could be characterized as either combustion or explosion.

I present to you: Cars on fire, part one.
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2018-07-12 09:36:04 AM  

alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.


This must be really important to you, having posted this here and on Ars Technica.
 
2018-07-12 09:40:42 AM  

mr lawson: alice_600: Dave2042: Yes he's a dickhead, but can we stick to hating him for real stuff that he actually does wrong?

I hate him and his PR campaign trying to make him seem like he's some goddamn Tony Stark.

why do you hate him?
You work for an oil company or something?


I hate him because he lies to investors, treats his workers like garbage, builds crappy cars, refused to use the car charger standard that literally every other plug-in car in the US uses, built a giant charging network that other cars can't use - even if they pay for it - in an attempt to create a monopoly on car charging and thus on electric cars, and for making pretend that he's helping by doing absolutely nothing - both in Thailand and here in Flint.

He committed nothing in both cases. He knew the minisub idea wouldn't be practical. He knows that Flint's water has met Federal guidelines for a WHILE now. But he gets people thinking that he's done something.
 
2018-07-12 09:41:54 AM  

ThreadSinger: alice_600: drxym: Replacing the pipes is the proper way to fix the problem for everyone, not sticking water filters onto the end of the pipes for the handful who ask for it. Besides, the problem is apparently nearly resolved. Seems like just another ill-thought out publicity stunt by Musk who has been on a roll with them recently.

This is why I don't like Musk.His massive ego is not helpful. It seems like all of the Silicon Valley has a Hero complex. If he wants to prove hes the good guy he should just leave things be. Nice gesture, and all but it's a short-term fix that treats the symptoms rather than the cause. What needs to happen is that thousands of miles of old pipe needs to be replaced, from mains all the way to interior fixtures. Children and families need funding for long term care from special education to medical and psychiatric care for the symptoms of lead poisoning for the rest of their lives. This will all take time and reopening old wounds won't help calm uneasy nerves.

So before we go all blaming the DEMS this problem was caused by the GOP-appointed Emergency Manager who was put in place to replace the elected city officials due to financial mismanagement. They're the ones who decided that saving a few shekels by switching water supplies would be the city's salvation; they're also the ones who saved a few more shekels by skipping the anti-corrosion water treatment that kept the existing lead pipe surfaces from leaching lead into the water in the first place.

There are certainly other players in this tragedy, but this one lies squarely on the state GOP and what's turning out to be a very, very bad policy of exerting centralized control over what were formerly locally elected positions.

This must be really important to you, having posted this here and on Ars Technica.


Why do you not want factual information to be posted?
 
2018-07-12 09:43:44 AM  

toomanyofthem: Vtimlin: fusillade762: WTFDYW: He can't keep his cars from catching fire. He's not doing shiat for Flint.

a driver is 5 times more likely to experience a fire in a conventional gas-powered car than in an electric car

Of course, there are 1000000x more gas powered cars.

I'm not a rocket surgeon, but I'm pretty sure that's not how statistics work.


If I have 10 electric cars and 5000000 gasoline cars and the drivers in the gasoline cars experience more fires doesn't it make sense?  I dont know, if you said 1% of EVs burn as opposed to 5% of gasoline vehicles maybe I would agree.  I dont care, dont dislike EVs or Mr. Musk.  Hes doing something good, carry on.
 
2018-07-12 09:44:56 AM  

BafflerMeal: alice_600: Again Flints water crisis is ending It just needs time to replace all the pipes in Flint so go away we're getting there we don't need you coming in and pretending to help.

Please explain how it is ending and how people don't need good water until it does especially considering the free bottled water program is being cut off?  What would you suggest for the next few years that it will take to replace 'all the pipes'?


The water has passed Federal standards for over two years.
 
2018-07-12 09:46:30 AM  
Haters going to hate

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2018-07-12 09:47:56 AM  
Once you have a submarine, the sky's the limit!
 
2018-07-12 09:52:51 AM  
Not sure how relevant but

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His previous girlfriend:
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2018-07-12 09:57:34 AM  

mrshowrules: Not sure how relevant but

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His previous girlfriend:
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Which was the one who kept posting videos of his "non-autonomous guidance system" as an autonomous guidance system?
 
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