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2018-07-11 06:10:14 PM  
"The purpose of the 1996 Act was to inject competition to the incumbent markets of companies like AT&T and Verizon," Ernesto Falcon, a legislative counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told Engadget.

I'm usually a fan of the EFF but I gotta question their judgement on this claim.
 
2018-07-11 06:15:42 PM  
Keep doing this sh*t, motherf*ckers. The backlash, when/if it finally comes, is going to be epic.
 
2018-07-11 06:18:23 PM  

themindiswatching: Keep doing this sh*t, motherf*ckers. The backlash, when/if it finally comes, is going to be epic.


They're not doing this to the rubes.  They're doing this to us.  I'm not planning on taking it quietly.
 
2018-07-11 06:19:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: themindiswatching: Keep doing this sh*t, motherf*ckers. The backlash, when/if it finally comes, is going to be epic.

They're not doing this to the rubes.  They're doing this to us.  I'm not planning on taking it quietly.


I was talking in general terms. It's not just Pai who's corrupt, you know.
 
2018-07-11 06:20:53 PM  

themindiswatching: Marcus Aurelius: themindiswatching: Keep doing this sh*t, motherf*ckers. The backlash, when/if it finally comes, is going to be epic.

They're not doing this to the rubes.  They're doing this to us.  I'm not planning on taking it quietly.

I was talking in general terms. It's not just Pai who's corrupt, you know.


Pai has been bought and paid for.  Now AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon expert THEIR payday.

This is going to suck.
 
2018-07-11 06:21:41 PM  
Expect, that is.
 
2018-07-11 06:25:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: themindiswatching: Marcus Aurelius: themindiswatching: Keep doing this sh*t, motherf*ckers. The backlash, when/if it finally comes, is going to be epic.

They're not doing this to the rubes.  They're doing this to us.  I'm not planning on taking it quietly.

I was talking in general terms. It's not just Pai who's corrupt, you know.

Pai has been bought and paid for.  Now AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon expert THEIR payday.

This is going to suck.


Of course. I'd like to think that when we're finally free of the Trump regime, we'll go so far to the left that even Norway thinks we've gone too far.

/that's going to require people voting, though.
 
2018-07-11 06:27:14 PM  

fusillade762: "The purpose of the 1996 Act was to inject competition to the incumbent markets of companies like AT&T and Verizon," Ernesto Falcon, a legislative counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told Engadget.

I'm usually a fan of the EFF but I gotta question their judgement on this claim.


That was the intent.  Reality..well....
 
2018-07-11 06:27:25 PM  

fusillade762: "The purpose of the 1996 Act was to inject competition to the incumbent markets of companies like AT&T and Verizon," Ernesto Falcon, a legislative counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told Engadget.

I'm usually a fan of the EFF but I gotta question their judgement on this claim.


Apparently, the writer does not view the Telecommunications Act as being designed to consolidate the competition into the oligopoly it already is.  Apparently, AT&T took the break up of Ma Bell personally.
 
2018-07-11 08:55:43 PM  
If the internet is entirely controlled by Comcast and AT&T, then that's it. Game over. The game may be over already.n But that would seal the deal for sure.
 
2018-07-11 08:55:54 PM  
I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?
 
2018-07-11 08:56:42 PM  

Scanty Em: If the internet is entirely controlled by Comcast and AT&T, then that's it. Game over. The game may be over already.n But that would seal the deal for sure.


Nah. Nationalization of the internet is the next logical step.
 
2018-07-11 08:58:29 PM  
USTelecom argues ...that there's already a competitive marketplace...

False. End of debate.

/ well, if you're not a crook like every single person in the Trump administration, anyway
 
2018-07-11 08:59:18 PM  
Sad eye, Ajit Pai. Horrible horrible. Needs to die.
 
2018-07-11 09:04:49 PM  
I worked for Verio in the 1990s, they were the largest ISP in the US and the largest hosting company in the world.(I should have never left because when they sold to NTT I could have retired with my options).

Telecom's did not view the internet as a viable business model.  They would gladly rent you a circuit, a T1, but you had to get the bandwidth from someone, and that is where all the ISP's came in.

For example in New Orleans when we sold a dsl line, we had called Bell South, gave them the phone number of the client, Bell South would roll a truck, install the NID, let us know, then we would send a guy out with a dsl modem, and install it.  We would charge 30 bucks a month, and kick Bell South 5 on the back end.  1.5 megs, but hey that was killer then.  And we did it with all the baby bells all over the country, you literally did not have a Telecom selling internet service.

You had guys getting a T1, bandwidth from someone, and setting up modem banks in their garages.

Then 2000, dotcom days roll around, and the telecoms see their is money to be made, so they start rolling out their on services and bundling. Triple play for the bells.  Home Phone, Internet, and Direct TV, they did not know direct, but sold it.

Smaller ISPs offered more bang for the buck, so the Telcos starting pricing them out of the market.

I worked for Bell South in Jacksonville, in one of the main offices downtown.  Their entire backbone for most of the SE was there.  2006.  My apartment was 3 blocks a way.

As an employee I got free DSL.  6 megs, the fastest they offered.  They called it "extreme" . I literally could only get about 2 megs down.  They told it was not possible to get any faster.

So I canceled my "free" dsl, and kept the free phone line from them.  I called Speak Easy in California, and they sent a local contractor out, and for 50 bucks a month I was getting 10 symmetrical, over the same farking circuit from across the country, when I could not get 2 when I could hit the backhaul with a rock from my apartment window.
 
2018-07-11 09:06:09 PM  
I'm not sure anyone knows what the actual purpose of the 1996 Act was, but it gave the richest among us the best chance to conglomerate media power, allowing them to disseminate their self-serving messages unchecked.

/what the hell else was 'removing sane limitations on media ownership' supposed to have resulted in?
 
2018-07-11 09:10:57 PM  
This is going to end up having richer communities building their own fiber networks while poorer communities sit and spin.
 
2018-07-11 09:11:18 PM  
I work for Charter so I'm getting a kick, etc. We are growing like crazy
 
2018-07-11 09:12:34 PM  
Incoming "defenders of freedom" who will inform us of how good of an idea this is in a free market if you ignore the fact that we don't have a free market here...that lacking is an inconsequential fact when you stop to think about what a good idea it would be if you could choose internet like you choose laundry detergent. Or we actually DO have a free market cause where they live there's totally like 6 different ISPs (where I live there's 2. That's it. The city was bought out into agreeing to a contract literally forbidding any other ISPs. But, you know, in some big cities there's like a handful, so there's that!), so there's no reason the rest of the country can't be like their ISP paradise. Or fine we don't have a free market, but it's only America's own dumb fault for not voting better in these political races financed by companies like AT&T and Comcast. Oh goody which way are we celebrating the growing oligarchy today?
 
2018-07-11 09:24:16 PM  
Wow FARK. You've gone like three hours in an article about Ajit Pai without a "Well he is an Obama appointee." I'm proud of you guys.
 
2018-07-11 09:27:41 PM  
The vast majority of humans are what I categorize as "not people that I wish were assassinated". Pai is not a member of that group.
 
2018-07-11 09:28:07 PM  
In civilized countries, you pay an internet service provider a monthly fee and they will provide internet service.

In America, you pay an internet service provider a monthly fee and they might provide internet service, if they feel like it.
 
2018-07-11 09:30:40 PM  

shinji3i: Wow FARK. You've gone like three hours in an article about Ajit Pai without a "Well he is an Obama appointee." I'm proud of you guys.


The scary thing is that he was probably the least bad option the Republicans offered up.
 
2018-07-11 09:33:22 PM  

talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?


The only true freedom is for the wealthy to do what they want, whenever they want, and take whatever they want. And we are free to take their offer or leave it.

Don't you feel the freedom?
 
2018-07-11 09:34:59 PM  

LittleSmitty: I work for Charter so I'm getting a kick, etc. We are growing like crazy


And jacking up prices.  My parents' phone/tubes/digital combo just went up 10% this last bill.
 
2018-07-11 09:36:42 PM  
The invisible hand will take care of this
 
2018-07-11 09:38:41 PM  

LittleSmitty: I work for Charter so I'm getting a kick, etc. We are growing like crazy


An old friend of mine built out charters backbone he had phd in marine biology and was a math whiz, and in the 90s decided to get into technology, so he took a job with a tech company I bought gear from.  I ordered a 15 grand hp server(dual pentium pros) and he showed up at my office with a Carrera Cabriolet with it in the back seat, top down, ray bans on.

He later got a job with a small Louisiana ISP and got me hired, and we parted ways, then a few years later I emailed him for a letter of recommendation and he was the main charter dude this was like in 2000.
 
2018-07-11 09:48:36 PM  

skozlaw: USTelecom argues ...that there's already a competitive marketplace...

False. End of debate.

/ well, if you're not a crook like every single person in the Trump administration, anyway


gameshowhost: I'm not sure anyone knows what the actual purpose of the 1996 Act was, but it gave the richest among us the best chance to conglomerate media power, allowing them to disseminate their self-serving messages unchecked.

/what the hell else was 'removing sane limitations on media ownership' supposed to have resulted in?


gameshowhost: LittleSmitty: I work for Charter so I'm getting a kick, etc. We are growing like crazy

And jacking up prices.  My parents' phone/tubes/digital combo just went up 10% this last bill.


"A single piddling act-one that was hardly presented to the public and passed with overwhelming support in both the House and the Senate-has put thousands of people out of work, destroyed entire industries, and cost you thousands of dollars for shiatty internet and substandard cell service."
 
2018-07-11 09:52:36 PM  
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2018-07-11 09:53:43 PM  
Why wouldn't they do this? It'll be much fewer telecoms that they won't be regulating.
 
2018-07-11 09:57:49 PM  

IAmRight: talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?

The only true freedom is for the wealthy to do what they want, whenever they want, and take whatever they want. And we are free to take their offer or leave it.

Don't you feel the freedom?


I taste the freedom, it tastes like... gun oil?
 
2018-07-11 09:59:15 PM  
We all know long haul Copper is going away, so something like this is GOING to happen at some point. Unless they come up with a way to share a cable/fiber connection like they do electric lines, where multiple companies can share the same lines.

5G will probably be the saving grace, where people aren't dependent on copper-to-house connections for their DSL connections.
 
2018-07-11 10:04:53 PM  

talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?


Because neither your community nor the small local ISPs are writing massive checks to campaigns.
 
2018-07-11 10:05:48 PM  

BaleenMoe: The invisible hand will take care of this


Only if it's wrapped around Pai's neck
 
2018-07-11 10:09:01 PM  
As someone currently on a 5 Mbps DSL feed from CenturyLink, I'm really getting a kick, etc...

/They told me 40 Mbps service was available a few months ago
//But they keep pushing back ,y install date
///I'm pretty sure they're liars
 
2018-07-11 10:18:54 PM  

themindiswatching: Keep doing this sh*t, motherf*ckers. The backlash, when/if it finally comes, is going to be epic.


And it won't matter; once the competing companies have been destroyed, they don't come back.
 
2018-07-11 10:23:32 PM  

theflatline: LittleSmitty: I work for Charter so I'm getting a kick, etc. We are growing like crazy

An old friend of mine built out charters backbone he had phd in marine biology and was a math whiz, and in the 90s decided to get into technology, so he took a job with a tech company I bought gear from.  I ordered a 15 grand hp server(dual pentium pros) and he showed up at my office with a Carrera Cabriolet with it in the back seat, top down, ray bans on.

He later got a job with a small Louisiana ISP and got me hired, and we parted ways, then a few years later I emailed him for a letter of recommendation and he was the main charter dude this was like in 2000.


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2018-07-11 10:31:46 PM  
My internet is out and they said won't be back on till Friday
So not really getting a kick
 
2018-07-11 10:40:17 PM  

talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?


Because freedom, or something.
 
2018-07-11 10:46:56 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: This is going to end up having richer communities building their own fiber networks while poorer communities sit and spin.


Not exactly.  Meanwhile, I'm paying AT&T upwards of $70/mo. for 18 farking down, because I have the audacity to live in an older middle class suburb.
 
2018-07-11 10:47:54 PM  

talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?


Because there's no one to shake down for bribes campaign donations.
 
2018-07-11 10:55:21 PM  

enry: fusillade762: "The purpose of the 1996 Act was to inject competition to the incumbent markets of companies like AT&T and Verizon," Ernesto Falcon, a legislative counsel for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told Engadget.

I'm usually a fan of the EFF but I gotta question their judgement on this claim.

That was the intent.  Reality..well....


It'll also require people not easing up on voting after one election because they think the danger has passed, or they want to "send a message" because everything didn't turn into ice cream crapping unicorns  quickly enough.

Look at 2010. It took two years for people to forget that the last time the GOP had control they ignored very specific intel that led to the largest terrorist attack on our soil in History, undid a bunch of regs that helped fuel the biggest recession since 1929, and got us into two perpetual wars that we will be paying an economic and social price for until most of us are dead. See also, 2016.
 
2018-07-11 10:56:21 PM  

talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?


Because it makes it harder for them to f&ck you.
 
2018-07-11 10:56:56 PM  

wyltoknow: Incoming "defenders of freedom" who will inform us of how good of an idea this is in a free market if you ignore the fact that we don't have a free market here...that lacking is an inconsequential fact when you stop to think about what a good idea it would be if you could choose internet like you choose laundry detergent. Or we actually DO have a free market cause where they live there's totally like 6 different ISPs (where I live there's 2. That's it. The city was bought out into agreeing to a contract literally forbidding any other ISPs. But, you know, in some big cities there's like a handful, so there's that!), so there's no reason the rest of the country can't be like their ISP paradise. Or fine we don't have a free market, but it's only America's own dumb fault for not voting better in these political races financed by companies like AT&T and Comcast. Oh goody which way are we celebrating the growing oligarchy today?


Detractors will readily agree that a free market doesn't exist, but they will explicitly point to 'stifling regulations' as the reason. (More realistically, the talking point is that the cost of adhering to regulations prevents competitors from entering the market. It is used in every industry.)
 
2018-07-11 10:57:12 PM  

shinji3i: Wow FARK. You've gone like three hours in an article about Ajit Pai without a "Well he is an Obama appointee." I'm proud of you guys.


Did you know that the KKK was comprised of Democrats and that the GOP is the party of Lincoln? Wake up, sheeple.
 
2018-07-11 10:57:16 PM  
My only two choices in the northern suburbs of Atlanta are ATT and Comcast. I got tired of ATT's poor products and services and moved over to Comcast 6 weeks ago. Frying pan verses the fire. For the last six weeks Comcast has refused to repair the box at the curb in front of the house so their Xfinity TV service would work. Dozens of calls and missed appointments later, they finally fixed the problem at the pedestal a few days ago by replacing a component. A service call that took all of 15 minutes. I am now being charged $60 for the repair of their broken equipment. In addition, according to Comcast's website, I am supposed to get a $20 credit for missed scheduled appointments, of which I have several.  So, with these missed appointments and six weeks of no TV service, I figured I was due some "credits". I went to the local Comcast store (which is where, god forbid, you can sign up for their cell phone service) and reviewed the billing and credits due. According to the customer service rep, they can only apply one credit at a time and it may take several days for it to appear in my account. For each additional credit, I have to come in or call to request it and I have to keep checking to see if it has been applied. In the mean time, I owe them the full fee for services never provided, otherwise, I will be billed a late fee. At this point, I am convinced the "C" in CIA stands for Comcast and that they are engaged in one giant psyop program against the American people.
 
2018-07-11 11:01:24 PM  

gameshowhost: LittleSmitty: I work for Charter so I'm getting a kick, etc. We are growing like crazy

And jacking up prices.  My parents' phone/tubes/digital combo just went up 10% this last bill.


Like i tell customers, that is beyond my control. I hear you though, they are raising prices. Gotta pay for all the upgrades. Base internet is now 100 mb and they are adding Gigabit services and expanding into mobile services

/my services are free. Internet, phone and every cable channel
 
2018-07-11 11:02:18 PM  

IAmRight: talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?

The only true freedom is for the wealthy to do what they want, whenever they want, and take whatever they want. And we are free to take their offer or leave it.

Don't you feel the freedom?


I dunno what you're talking about but I really like George Michael's "Freedom '90." It's a sexy song that also unequivocally states his desire to be free as an artist, and to state his maturity.

Is that the freedom you're talking about?

/yeah yeah!
 
2018-07-11 11:05:07 PM  

dickfreckle: IAmRight: talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?

The only true freedom is for the wealthy to do what they want, whenever they want, and take whatever they want. And we are free to take their offer or leave it.

Don't you feel the freedom?

I dunno what you're talking about but I really like George Michael's "Freedom '90." It's a sexy song that also unequivocally states his desire to be free as an artist, and to state his maturity.

Is that the freedom you're talking about?

/yeah yeah!


On this joke text I suddenly recall the refrain, "All we have to do now. Is take these lies and make them true somehow.

Huh.

/yeah yeah
 
2018-07-11 11:05:19 PM  

clkeagle: talan123: I'm hooked up through a fiber to the house owned by the community that leases it local ISP's without any bandwidth limits and this in a state that demands net neutrality.

Why does the GOP hate this?

Because neither your community nor the small local ISPs are writing massive checks to campaigns.


You want to know the truly frightening thing about this?

It was the GOP that did it.

In the 1990's, the local politicians wanted to upgrade our infrastructure from suck to doesn't completely suck and wanted fiber going to the houses so they could stop paying people to go read the meters.  So they tried to get bids from the ISP to connect up 12,000 houses and couldn't get one under $1 Billion dollars.  So after about a decade of court lawsuits and building we got it.

The Democrats fought the GOP tooth and nail over it too.  It was so bizarre.  Ten years go by and it is the complete opposite again.  So I am always reminded that... "Politicians are dirty diapers, they should be changed as soon as you smell them."
 
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