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(The Sun)   A look inside Japan's super-secret big meanie murder jail, where they kill people with paltry excuses such as "They murdered 13 people in a subway with Sarin nerve gas" (possible nsfw content on page)   ( thesun.co.uk) divider line
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2018-07-11 04:15:52 PM  
They should do Battle Royale instead.
 
2018-07-11 05:49:15 PM  
Hanging snaps the neck?

Who knew?

Crickey, Sun, y'all motherf*ckers executes people by chopping off heads AND y'all hung motherf*ckers. The drama is mebbe a bit forced...
 
2018-07-11 07:02:11 PM  
The Asian country is one of only two first world democracies, along with the US, who kill their own citizens.

The way things are going before too long they'll be the only one.
 
2018-07-11 07:36:17 PM  
That's why I eat at Quiznos.
 
2018-07-11 07:46:35 PM  

fusillade762: The Asian country is one of only two first world democracies, along with the US, who kill their own citizens.

The way things are going before too long they'll be the only one.


Oh, we're going to keep killing our own citizens. Hells, we accept it in the arrest process, so do you really think that folks are flinching overly much at executions?
 
2018-07-11 08:16:39 PM  

hubiestubert: fusillade762: The Asian country is one of only two first world democracies, along with the US, who kill their own citizens.

The way things are going before too long they'll be the only one.

Oh, we're going to keep killing our own citizens. Hells, we accept it in the arrest process, so do you really think that folks are flinching overly much at executions?


No. I meant the "first world democracy" part.
 
2018-07-11 08:54:02 PM  
"Inside Japan's chilling death row prisons where inmates are executed with NO warning after decades waiting to die"

You know who else died without any warning? Their victims.
 
2018-07-11 08:54:21 PM  
Interesting that they have no idea when it's going to happen. I honestly didn't expect that from 'ol japan.
 
2018-07-11 09:00:46 PM  
Guess what % of those executed were Japanese. 100% Thats just racist.
 
2018-07-11 09:00:48 PM  
I do love the no warning execution part. Perfect punishment for a killer.
 
2018-07-11 09:03:37 PM  
They used Sarin on their fellow citizens.
No tears here.
 
2018-07-11 09:03:37 PM  

fusillade762: hubiestubert: fusillade762: The Asian country is one of only two first world democracies, along with the US, who kill their own citizens.

The way things are going before too long they'll be the only one.

Oh, we're going to keep killing our own citizens. Hells, we accept it in the arrest process, so do you really think that folks are flinching overly much at executions?

No. I meant the "first world democracy" part.


I thought you meant we'd run out of citizens in the US.
 
2018-07-11 09:04:11 PM  

hubiestubert: Hanging snaps the neck?


I grew up in a prison town where they hang 'em. We had this guy come in to school and explain the math. You had to have just right amount of drop---not too much! But also not too little because you don't want to take a mulligan at that. 
There was math, but I don't remember that because...math.
 
2018-07-11 09:04:16 PM  
"Unlike America where execution dates are set in advance, prisoners in Japan are executed with very little warning and are told they are going to die on the morning of their execution - usually about an hour before."

I guess the "unexpected hanging" paradox in real life doesn't work out with the guy walking on a technicality.
 
2018-07-11 09:04:21 PM  

The Derp Stops Here: Interesting that they have no idea when it's going to happen. I honestly didn't expect that from 'ol japan.


Actually, you're told the morning of the day when it happens, and you get a last meal and a chance to send final messages to loved ones.  And, even before that, you know that your appeals are done and it's going to happen.  So it's not like the Soviet Union or PRC waking you up in the middle of the night and dragging you out of your cell to shoot you in the back of the head.

I mean, it still strikes me as unnecessarily cruel (but I'm opposed to the death penalty in general), but saying there's "NO warning" like the Sun does isn't true either.
 
2018-07-11 09:06:25 PM  

Turnip_the_radio: hubiestubert: Hanging snaps the neck?

I grew up in a prison town where they hang 'em. We had this guy come in to school and explain the math. You had to have just right amount of drop---not too much! But also not too little because you don't want to take a mulligan at that. 
There was math, but I don't remember that because...math.


There's actually a movie called "Pierrepoint" about the one of the last guys to work as an executioner for the United Kingdom. He got so good at it he could just look at the condemned prisoner through the window of their cell and know exactly how long the rope needed to be to snap their neck.
 
2018-07-11 09:09:42 PM  

wax_on: "Inside Japan's chilling death row prisons where inmates are executed with NO warning after decades waiting to die"

You know who else died without any warning? Their victims.


Some murderers DO get angry with their victims first and say "I'm going to kill you!" before they actually do the deed.
 
2018-07-11 09:10:18 PM  

fusillade762: hubiestubert: fusillade762: The Asian country is one of only two first world democracies, along with the US, who kill their own citizens.

The way things are going before too long they'll be the only one.

Oh, we're going to keep killing our own citizens. Hells, we accept it in the arrest process, so do you really think that folks are flinching overly much at executions?

No. I meant the "first world democracy" part.


The USA is a representative republic.
 
2018-07-11 09:16:50 PM  

Turnip_the_radio: I grew up in a prison town where they hang 'em. We had this guy come in to school and explain the math. You had to have just right amount of drop---not too much! But also not too little because you don't want to take a mulligan at that. 
There was math, but I don't remember that because...math.


There is a table of figures to make it easy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O​fficial​_Table_of_Drops

Too short and you don't have to do it over. They just die from strangulation instead of a snapped neck.
 
2018-07-11 09:18:43 PM  
Three prison officers simultaneously press buttons to open the trap so it is not clear which one is responsible.
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There's a lot of timing involved.
 
2018-07-11 09:24:10 PM  

carnifex2005: I do love the no warning execution part. Perfect punishment for a killer.


Immanuel Kant would approve.
 
2018-07-11 09:25:52 PM  

jake_lex: Turnip_the_radio: hubiestubert: Hanging snaps the neck?

I grew up in a prison town where they hang 'em. We had this guy come in to school and explain the math. You had to have just right amount of drop---not too much! But also not too little because you don't want to take a mulligan at that. 
There was math, but I don't remember that because...math.

There's actually a movie called "Pierrepoint" about the one of the last guys to work as an executioner for the United Kingdom. He got so good at it he could just look at the condemned prisoner through the window of their cell and know exactly how long the rope needed to be to snap their neck.


They should have given the cult leader a choice. "Here, hold onto this weight and you'll die quickly of a broken neck, or don't, and you'll get to strangle slowly instead."
 
2018-07-11 09:26:26 PM  
mrmopar5287:The USA is a representative republic.

A representative republic is one kind of democracy.
 
2018-07-11 09:27:09 PM  

jake_lex: The Derp Stops Here: Interesting that they have no idea when it's going to happen. I honestly didn't expect that from 'ol japan.

Actually, you're told the morning of the day when it happens, and you get a last meal and a chance to send final messages to loved ones.  And, even before that, you know that your appeals are done and it's going to happen.  So it's not like the Soviet Union or PRC waking you up in the middle of the night and dragging you out of your cell to shoot you in the back of the head.

I mean, it still strikes me as unnecessarily cruel (but I'm opposed to the death penalty in general), but saying there's "NO warning" like the Sun does isn't true either.


Warning would imply a hope of avoidance. Sounds like they simply make a declaration.
 
2018-07-11 09:27:27 PM  

carnifex2005: I do love the no warning execution part. Perfect punishment for a killer.


Unless new evidence comes to light and the weren't guilty. Too bad, huh?
 
2018-07-11 09:28:14 PM  
Really, no one?
Cannibal the Musical - Hang the Bastard
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\cowbell solo!
 
2018-07-11 09:29:19 PM  

The Derp Stops Here: Interesting that they have no idea when it's going to happen. I honestly didn't expect that from 'ol japan.


I think they have a pretty good idea. When appeals are exhausted, they don't have long.

In this case it was when the last sarin cultists' appeals were completed. They wait until everyone involved is done.
 
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2018-07-11 09:29:55 PM  
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if hanging like this is 100% reliable in snapping the neck and killing the person near instantly? I tried to Google but got... Unpleasant results.

The answer to this question doesn't really reflect my views on death penalty, I honestly don't have a solid one, like I said, just curious.
 
2018-07-11 09:30:32 PM  

jake_lex: The Derp Stops Here: Interesting that they have no idea when it's going to happen. I honestly didn't expect that from 'ol japan.

Actually, you're told the morning of the day when it happens, and you get a last meal and a chance to send final messages to loved ones.  And, even before that, you know that your appeals are done and it's going to happen.  So it's not like the Soviet Union or PRC waking you up in the middle of the night and dragging you out of your cell to shoot you in the back of the head.

I mean, it still strikes me as unnecessarily cruel (but I'm opposed to the death penalty in general), but saying there's "NO warning" like the Sun does isn't true either.


I forget where (Taiwan?) they give you the choice of being shot behind the ear with a pistol or shot in the heart.
 
2018-07-11 09:32:41 PM  
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/obscure?
 
2018-07-11 09:33:36 PM  

151: Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if hanging like this is 100% reliable in snapping the neck and killing the person near instantly?


Pretty much if they tie the knot and use the correct drop for the person's weight.

Wikipedia - The Official Table of Drops, issued by the British Home Office, is a manual which is used to calculate the appropriate length of rope for long drop hangings.
 
2018-07-11 09:34:13 PM  

jaytkay: Pretty much if they tie the knot


Tie the knot correctly
 
2018-07-11 09:36:10 PM  
"Condemned inmates in the country are executed by hanging - where their neck is swiftly broken using a rope and a trap door."

Or so they'll have everyone believe at least. It seems the Japanese justice department prefers to be about as secretive as it can be about, well, everything here. From what I've understood to the point of preferring diet members to stay far away, thankyouverymuch. Keeping a few botched hangings hushed up may not be all that hard.


Mugato: carnifex2005: I do love the no warning execution part. Perfect punishment for a killer.

Unless new evidence comes to light and the weren't guilty. Too bad, huh?


What, you're saying courts may occasionally reach a false positive? Especially in a country with a mere 99.8% conviction rate? Nonsense, when have human beings ever been wrong about anything?
 
2018-07-11 09:36:22 PM  

mrmopar5287: fusillade762: hubiestubert: fusillade762: The Asian country is one of only two first world democracies, along with the US, who kill their own citizens.

The way things are going before too long they'll be the only one.

Oh, we're going to keep killing our own citizens. Hells, we accept it in the arrest process, so do you really think that folks are flinching overly much at executions?

No. I meant the "first world democracy" part.

The USA is a representative republic.


Take it up with The Sun. Their wording, not mine.
 
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2018-07-11 09:38:20 PM  

jaytkay: jaytkay: Pretty much if they tie the knot

Tie the knot correctly


Heh, didn't even notice the omission the first time around, but thanks for the info.

Now my stupid brain is going all sorts of weird places. A family Guy suicide episode..."but I tied the knot! It was supposed to work!"

I should go to sleep...
 
2018-07-11 09:39:20 PM  
Also hundreds were injured and thousands were sickened. Their goal was mass slaughter of ten of thousands of people. They built a lab capable of producing enough Sarin to wipe out millions.
 
2018-07-11 09:39:44 PM  
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2018-07-11 09:40:10 PM  

151: Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if hanging like this is 100% reliable in snapping the neck and killing the person near instantly?


Does it matter?
 
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2018-07-11 09:42:00 PM  

mrmopar5287: 151: Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if hanging like this is 100% reliable in snapping the neck and killing the person near instantly?

Does it matter?


Just out of curiosity.

i like to know things. No matter how weird, irrelevant, against or for my personal opinion on something, I just like knowing stuff. Sometimes it's helpful. Try it out.
 
2018-07-11 09:42:15 PM  

ltdanman44: [img.fark.net image 618x462]

/obscure?


No, because 1. Google Image Search and, more importantly, 2. "In the Pale Moonlight" was F#CKING AMAZING.
 
2018-07-11 09:44:22 PM  

mrmopar5287: 151: Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if hanging like this is 100% reliable in snapping the neck and killing the person near instantly?

Does it matter?


Well, kind of.

If it's done incorrectly, the condemned doesn't drop far enough, and strangles, so death can take several minutes, and it's a slow and excruciating death; or the drop can sever the head resulting in beheading and considerable trauma and shock to the witnesses.

And if your country is holding itself out as a moral and just nation, then both of those factors matter.
 
2018-07-11 09:46:23 PM  

jaytkay: I think they have a pretty good idea. When appeals are exhausted, they don't have long.


That's a different question. The thing the Japanese do is that once they have decided which day to kill someone, they don't let the inmate know until the morning of his last day. Not because that's when they decide, but because they simply don't feel like telling them before that. Whether or not they are quick about things after the last appeal, well, they were here. But as the article points out it may take well over a decade as well.


jaytkay: Pretty much if they tie the knot and use the correct drop for the person's weight.


If.

And even with the table of drops to help every now and then you get someone with an uncommonly strong or weak neck, resulting in a slow death to strangulation or the head being ripped off entirely.
 
2018-07-11 09:47:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: And if your country is holding itself out as a moral and just nation, then both of those factors matter.

they wouldn't be murdering unarmed confined people to begin with.
 
2018-07-11 09:52:02 PM  

151: Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if hanging like this is 100% reliable in snapping the neck and killing the person near instantly? I tried to Google but got... Unpleasant results.

The answer to this question doesn't really reflect my views on death penalty, I honestly don't have a solid one, like I said, just curious.


Hanging is not 100% reliable at breaking the neck. It's assumed that breaking the neck knocks the person out immediately, but AFAIK, no one's hooked an EEG up to a hanged person or anything. If you're just strangled by a short drop or a botched hanging, you lose consciousness after about 13 seconds or so, which probably feels like a long time.
 
2018-07-11 09:54:57 PM  

jake_lex: The Derp Stops Here: Interesting that they have no idea when it's going to happen. I honestly didn't expect that from 'ol japan.

Actually, you're told the morning of the day when it happens, and you get a last meal and a chance to send final messages to loved ones.  And, even before that, you know that your appeals are done and it's going to happen.  So it's not like the Soviet Union or PRC waking you up in the middle of the night and dragging you out of your cell to shoot you in the back of the head.

I mean, it still strikes me as unnecessarily cruel (but I'm opposed to the death penalty in general), but saying there's "NO warning" like the Sun does isn't true either.


The Japanese prison system isn't really meant to reform people. It's to shame and punish. Japanese are some of the most law abiding people in the world because of this, and because of that they have a low prison population. If any important person is facing the possibility of going to prison it's almost accepted they commit suicide to avoid the shame, which gives them a high rate of that. Just one of those cultural differences.
 
2018-07-11 09:56:40 PM  

UsikFark: If you're just strangled by a short drop or a botched hanging, you lose consciousness after about 13 seconds or so, which probably feels like a long time.


That may be the case if the noose squeezes your neck sufficiently. I guess a properly tied knot makes that likely, but if not then it can take much, much longer.
 
2018-07-11 09:58:59 PM  

Gyrfalcon: And if your country is holding itself out as a moral and just nation, then both of those factors matter.


I've been an advocate of switching to nitrogen asphyxiation. There can't be any protest against that being cruel and/or unusual.
 
2018-07-11 10:01:19 PM  
I think death by daki or otoro would have been more fitting...
 
2018-07-11 10:05:07 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: ltdanman44: [img.fark.net image 618x462]

/obscure?

No, because 1. Google Image Search and, more importantly, 2. "In the Pale Moonlight" was F#CKING AMAZING.


2 one and done characters stuck in my head from ds9.  Graython tolar, and that nomad trader selling poisoned perfume to odo.  I forget his name!
 
2018-07-11 10:06:02 PM  

Parrahs: UsikFark: If you're just strangled by a short drop or a botched hanging, you lose consciousness after about 13 seconds or so, which probably feels like a long time.

That may be the case if the noose squeezes your neck sufficiently. I guess a properly tied knot makes that likely, but if not then it can take much, much longer.


13 seconds is the estimate one scientist made based off videos of short drop hangings.
 
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