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2018-07-11 12:09:39 PM  
 When I write, I'm usually a pantser, in that I just sit down and start typing with no idea where I'm going.  Take a high level idea, get a couple of characters and have them interact within the scope of that idea, lay out a bunch of threads that you don't really know where they might lead . . . and usually it all comes together in the end.  I've actually surprised myself with things that seemed brilliantly planned and executed after the fact, when really I just kind of bumbled into them.

In one project I have going now, I'm at 53K words and my pants apparently came off.   I have a character that's implied to be extremely important the central mystery, and I have a character preventing the protagonist from finding out why that character's important, and I have a bunch of leads that show it's all building to a head . . . and I have no goddamn idea what that character actually has to do with anything.  It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in fail.

I'm sure I'll think of something at some point, some way to tie all the threads together, but in the meantime I'm shelving that one again and working on the next title.  Which I'm plotting all the freaking way out before I write any of it.  I've learned my lesson.

As to this week's progress: ~6K words in first pass/outline for the new idea.

We're still all working away on the anthology, also, so if you've got that submission almost ready to go, let us see it!

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2018-07-11 12:45:13 PM  
I'm writing a screenplay (I so used to make fun of those people but they were also usually neckbeard assholes anyway) based on a treatment that my mom sent me.

It's actually not bad (her story) but just because I know a little about making movies and had to take a few screenwriting classes for the degree, I don't know much beyond a decent flair for dialogue. My worst fear being a movie nerd is leaving plot holes.

But you guys are probably talking about writing novels and things like that.
 
2018-07-11 12:47:36 PM  
I jumped from disaster fiction to urban fantasy I guess it would be considered. The early stages have been slow and frustrating, but I have the overall arc plotted out over 3 books and I'm working on piecing everything else together.

I have never had more fun writing two characters as I have the protag and antag of this story.
 
2018-07-11 12:52:12 PM  
There's a Nero Wolfe novel Plot It Yourself in which the detective disparages novels where the novelist just starts typing and finds out what the book is about as it goes along.  Some years later, Rex Stout revealed that he was a just start typing kind of writer. Which might explain why the murderer was always the first character introduced after the client.**

**mostly true generalization alert.
 
2018-07-11 01:12:02 PM  
I'm still working on "Left Beyond".

You can find it here. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwi​ki.php/​FanFic/LeftBeyond
 
2018-07-11 01:54:49 PM  

toraque: When I write, I'm usually a pantser, in that I just sit down and start typing with no idea where I'm going.  Take a high level idea, get a couple of characters and have them interact within the scope of that idea, lay out a bunch of threads that you don't really know where they might lead . . . and usually it all comes together in the end.  I've actually surprised myself with things that seemed brilliantly planned and executed after the fact, when really I just kind of bumbled into them.

In one project I have going now, I'm at 53K words and my pants apparently came off.   I have a character that's implied to be extremely important the central mystery, and I have a character preventing the protagonist from finding out why that character's important, and I have a bunch of leads that show it's all building to a head . . . and I have no goddamn idea what that character actually has to do with anything.  It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in fail.

I'm sure I'll think of something at some point, some way to tie all the threads together, but in the meantime I'm shelving that one again and working on the next title.  Which I'm plotting all the freaking way out before I write any of it.  I've learned my lesson.

As to this week's progress: ~6K words in first pass/outline for the new idea.

We're still all working away on the anthology, also, so if you've got that submission almost ready to go, let us see it!

What is Everybody Panic: The 2018 Fark Fiction Anthology, you ask?  Good Question!

The Fark Fiction Anthology is an annual event, now in its third year, where our team of crack judges and editors collect the best short fiction from the brilliant minds here on Fark.  The entries selected by the judges are published on Amazon and Kindle Unlimited in both trade paperback and ebook formats, with all proceeds going to benefit St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital, who has never actually given me permission to use their name but accepts the money anyway.

Think y ...


Thinking of trying to throw something together from my unfinished projects pile... Are there any particular groupings that are low on submissions?
 
2018-07-11 02:14:35 PM  

Nogrhi: Thinking of trying to throw something together from my unfinished projects pile... Are there any particular groupings that are low on submissions?


We're still open in all categories and genres, but humor at the moment is probably the lightest, with mystery/suspense coming in second.
 
2018-07-11 02:26:47 PM  
I'm working on my horror novel HELL TIME again after shelving it for several months. I needed the break.

My short horror story "Can You See It?" is ready but the submission call doesn't open until next week. I knew about this one for awhile and prepared a story for it ahead of time.

I need to release my collection of erotic fairy tales soon but I'm stalling. I have no idea how to promote this in any effective way. I'm afraid the book will tank as soon as it's out the gate. Anyone here have promotion/marketing tips for erotica (or any genre for that matter) that works?
 
2018-07-11 02:27:18 PM  

toraque: Nogrhi: Thinking of trying to throw something together from my unfinished projects pile... Are there any particular groupings that are low on submissions?

We're still open in all categories and genres, but humor at the moment is probably the lightest, with mystery/suspense coming in second.


Thank you.  I will see if I can manage to pull something together.
 
2018-07-11 02:50:45 PM  
Sort of a "And Now For Something Completely Different" moment in this thread, but this psuedo-essay got some appreciation over in the Nassar/Sandusky thread, so I thought I'd share here.  Cleaned up a bit for presentability among writers.
. . .

Many of the fiercest "advocates" of child victims trying to win the "who cares the most" competition don't really care about the kids.  Or at least, the concern is badly misplaced.  I should know; I've been there, and others paid dearly for it.  I've not been abused myself, as far as I know, but knew friends who were hurt and I was mad, mad, MAD that they were hurt.  Wanted to KILL those responsible.  In the meantime I missed all the signs that they needed support.  One eventually committed suicide.  Good going, me, some friend you are!  You literally devoted more attention to an abuser than a friend who needed help, all the way to the latter's grave!

So that's how I learned this lesson, over my friend's dead body, because I'm that stupid, but it means I can relate.  It's their way of caring, and to be fair, it's rooted in a sincere effort to be the good guys.  They just don't see how their priorities are messed up, because they're too preoccupied with what people deserve.  Children don't deserve to be abused, of course, but there's nothing to be done about what's already happened; but we sure can show the bad guys hell!  Americans are obsessed with the concept of giving people what they deserve, and if they lack such agency, it drops off their list of priorities.  So despite being all about "for the children", since they can't un-abuse children, this quest to avenge them winds up not being about children at all.  You see folks on the Internet figuratively grabbing their torches and shotguns and demanding molesters be kept in small cages with some mythical Bubba creature who's 300 pounds of fast-twitch muscle, in prison with a life sentence for. . . Something, but in a very convenient coincidence, right now only wants to kill abusers.  Bubba will sort things out so they don't have to, and this will somehow, magically, make the children all better.  Shuffle the kids off to therapy, in the meantime; I'm sure there are enough therapists and funding to go around, even though no one we've elected to Congress is working to expand our mental health infrastructure.  We're Tough On Crime, though!  We spend a LOT of money trying to put people in prison, and expect our mental healthcare professionals to just make do when caring for the victims.  Resource-wise, criminals >> victims, because it shows how much We Care about the victims.  Priorities!

Anyway.  I caused a lot of trouble for the last people who should've put up with it, for thinking the same way.  I expressed how much I cared with anger directed at people they just wanted to get away from, when all they needed was for me to simply care.  Realizing that afterwards was horrible.  These days I try to put the victim first   It's nice to see the guilty punished, but when people confide in me that they've been hurt, I interpret that as a signal that they need me.  Not my desire for revenge or whatnot, but my support.  It's very, very difficult for someone who isn't a narcissist to ask for help, so it's crucial to not betray that fleeting moment with an urge to pick up a sword and march off to war in the opposite direction.  Now I get a lot of crap for it because these priorities directly compete with the righteously angry "for the children" crusade for attention and resources.  But, I can hope some folks will learn before they get their friends killed in their eagerness to prove how Good they are.
 
2018-07-11 05:38:40 PM  

Mugato: .But you guys are probably talking about writing novels and things like that.


A year and a half ago, one of my New Year's resolutions was to start contributing to this thread even though I mostly write scripts.  Just assume part of being a script-writer means knowing when to barge into polite society without an invite.

Didn't do any writing this week, but I read the action lines in a friend's group reading.  Thinking about shelving the current novel and just writing the next.  The structure for the new one is much more fragmented, which might be better for my brain at the moment.  Also thinking about starting the next pilot.  It'd be nice to not be in such a writing flurry next year, come Fellowship season.

Good news-wise, I found out Tuesday that a script of mine was chosen to be part of a public reading series.  Double-plus good:  The series bounces around locations but this time it'll be at the one near to both a subway stop *and* the absolute best place to buy whiskey in Los Angeles:  K&L Wines.  Triple-plus good:  I was in a BevMo when I got the news.

(NARRATOR:  "And there was much rejoicing.")

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2018-07-11 07:34:35 PM  
I just realized that my FFA2018 submission is going to be clocking in at around 14k words, so I I'm either going to be spending the remainder of the month editing, or write something shorter. (Or steal an old one from my blog?)
 
2018-07-11 10:46:37 PM  
Working frantically to edit some sense into my current draft to get it ready by the deadline
 
2018-07-12 08:42:08 PM  
Still plugging away at my anthology submission, amid starting a new job, and also jumping through hoops to attend a new college this fall. Gonna fetch me some book-larnin, and go for an English degree.

But speaking of writing from ignorance:
When I was taking a College Newspaper class, I edited an article for a very charming and hardworking young lady just out of high school. She had interviewed one of the new instructor on campus, with a quote about starting their career in a Kwanzaa Hut. I don't know much about that holiday, I was trying to figure out what such a thing was, and I realized the professor had probably said Quonset Hut. So I had to delicately ask this young lady, without insulting her intelligence, if she might have misheard an antiquted term for an archaic building form. She was actually grateful I had caught this inaccuracy that SpellCheck did not. Even better, when I paid a visit to my teacher a year later, this same young lady was Editor-In-Chief.

And then some other stuff happened, and here we are.
 
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