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2018-07-11 11:38:05 AM  
There are enough decent people out there to stop Trump and his band of lunatics.  They just need to wake up.
 
2018-07-11 11:44:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: There are enough decent people out there

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2018-07-11 11:57:39 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Marcus Aurelius: There are enough decent people out there

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Present company excepted, of course!

/per the usual
 
2018-07-11 12:14:13 PM  
If you mess with families, you lose Utah. It's, like, their thing.
 
2018-07-11 12:19:08 PM  
Why would we link to the actual article itself when we could read what The Hill thinks of the article?
 
2018-07-11 12:36:57 PM  
Utah will still vote Republican every time, and every elected Republican will support this policy.

AdmirableSnackbar: Why would we link to the actual article itself when we could read what The Hill thinks of the article?


Looks like the original wants me to disable ad-block, so fark them.  Also, fark the Hill and their garbage right-wing editorial section.
 
2018-07-11 01:15:52 PM  
...you're not able to line your bird cage?
 
2018-07-11 02:22:56 PM  
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2018-07-11 02:45:31 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Why would we link to the actual article itself when we could read what The Hill thinks of the article?


The Salt Lake Tribune limits your number of visits for free to their website, like the Washington Post. After three or so visits, you have to pay or wait about 30 days to access the website again for free.

Perhaps Subby couldn't see the original piece and found it available here.

/I frequent the SLT as I lived in UT for 4+ years as active duty USAF and TDY defense contractor.
 
2018-07-11 03:52:39 PM  
Silly libs, Trump voters don't read the newspaper
 
2018-07-11 03:54:20 PM  

cousin-merle: Utah will still vote Republican every time, and every elected Republican will support this policy.

AdmirableSnackbar: Why would we link to the actual article itself when we could read what The Hill thinks of the article?

Looks like the original wants me to disable ad-block, so fark them.  Also, fark the Hill and their garbage right-wing editorial section.


Exactly.

They'll probably prop up a third party LDS candidate to satisfy their right wing urge and vote in sizeable quantities for him, but the state with still go R.
 
2018-07-11 03:55:24 PM  

AirForceVet: AdmirableSnackbar: Why would we link to the actual article itself when we could read what The Hill thinks of the article?

The Salt Lake Tribune limits your number of visits for free to their website, like the Washington Post. After three or so visits, you have to pay or wait about 30 days to access the website again for free.

Perhaps Subby couldn't see the original piece and found it available here.

/I frequent the SLT as I lived in UT for 4+ years as active duty USAF and TDY defense contractor.


Delete your cookies or get a VPN, ya bums.

/ I keed
 
2018-07-11 03:56:29 PM  

cousin-merle: Looks like the original wants me to disable ad-block, so fark them.  Also, fark the Hill and their garbage right-wing editorial section.


That's no problem for Copyright Infringement Man!

In Thailand, 12 children and their soccer coach made a wrong turn, got themselves trapped in a cave and quickly became the target of an all-hands-on-deck rescue effort mounted by national and provincial officials and eager volunteers from all over the world.

In the United States, 2,000 children - maybe 3,000 - and their parents found out that the rules for seeking asylum in what was the world's largest and proudest sanctuary got themselves trapped in the administration's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy and quickly became lost in a bureaucratic purgatory that, for some of them, may never end.

In Thailand, one of the divers taking part in the rescue attempt died when he ran out of oxygen during a dive aimed at bringing aid to the lost children.

In the United States, one of the lawyers representing the government begged off a weekend court hearing because she had "dog-sitting responsibilities that require me to go back to Colorado."

It brings to mind the aphorism attributed to Marshal Stalin, "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."

It can be hard for normal people to grasp that their own government - and its individual agents, officers and attorneys - is involved in a heartless and brainless effort to visit so much deliberate cruelty upon asylum-seeking families. We are separating the children from the parents, depositing them in different places, apparently in sometimes squalid, frightening and sealed-off facilities, expecting children as young as 1 year old to explain themselves and their situation in court and not allowing members of Congress or other independent overseers to check up on what is happening.

If you want to make people believe a lie, the experts taught us, make it big.

And, apparently, if you want to make people sit still for an atrocity, make it just big enough to have no personality, no individual human face.

And, of course, prepare the ground by spending years telling lies about how many people are crossing the border illegally, how many of them are gang members and drug dealers and rapists, basically dehumanizing them in the eyes of many Americans so we don't become concerned with those victimized in our name and with our money.

The government has been so closed-mouthed and so slow to move that it is difficult at this point to know what it true. But there is a flood of reports that parents are being sent back to their home nations without their children. That they were promised they would be reunited with their children if they agreed to that return but, in many cases, haven't been.

There are stories of children in detention facilities being ordered not to hug their siblings. Of 60 or more young girls being held in a windowless room with no bedding, no food for days and the air conditioning cranked up. Of parents being told that they were being sent back to their native countries but that their children were staying in the U.S. and being put up for adoption.

All this at a time when the president of the United States stirs up public mistrust, if not downright hatred, of the news organizations that are struggling daily to find out the truth about these children and what is happening to them.

This is the kind of behavior that, when carried out by non-superpowers, gets people hauled before the International Criminal Court or some special war crimes tribunal.

Here, all we can do is keep the story alive and hope that Congress - this one or the next - finds its voice and demands both answers and reparations to those damaged by this hateful public policy.
 
2018-07-11 03:58:23 PM  
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It's huge!
 
2018-07-11 03:58:29 PM  
... Republicans will continue to not give a shiat?
 
2018-07-11 03:59:32 PM  
Uh, subs, the GOP lost that paper back when they endorsed Hillary for the election...
 
2018-07-11 04:00:01 PM  
This is good. We only need about a dozen Republican Senators to convict Trump. Nudge his numbers down far enough in half a dozen red states and you get there.

And I'd bet this article knocks two or three points off of his approval among Republicans in Utah. You need to bring it down about thirty in my guesstimate to get the Senators to panic. It's a start.
 
2018-07-11 04:00:45 PM  
"It's a national disgrace and I'm really super sads I have to keep voting for Republicans!"
 
2018-07-11 04:01:32 PM  
The Tribune was written off as "godless liberal media" by Mormon true believers decades ago. That's why the Deseret News was founded. (It's called the Deseret Morning News now.) Get back to us once the D-News turns on Trump.
 
2018-07-11 04:02:43 PM  
I went ahead and went to the source to read the article on the Salt Lake Tribune's website, mainly because I'm feeling particularly masochistic today and wanted to see the comments section.

It was... reasonable. There were two or three deplorable jackasses who could barely articulate a thought, and they were being eviscerated and countered by rational people with good points. It was kind of like Fark, but not funny at all. Extremely refreshing, maybe people are hitting their breaking points with all this shiat.
 
2018-07-11 04:02:51 PM  

Hills-Sachs_Legion: The Tribune was written off as "godless liberal media" by Mormon true believers decades ago. That's why the Deseret News was founded. (It's called the Deseret Morning News now.) Get back to us once the D-News turns on Trump.


Came in to post exactly this.  An editorial like this is the Trib is not surprising in the least.
 
2018-07-11 04:03:14 PM  
*IN the Trib, dammit
 
2018-07-11 04:08:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There are enough decent people out there to stop Trump and his band of lunatics.  They just need to wake up.


Stop him how and when?  I'm sure his views on human rights and foreign policy will only improve over the next two and a half years. /S
 
2018-07-11 04:09:30 PM  
Utah is an illegal alien-friendly state.

Let Utah deal with them.
 
2018-07-11 04:13:26 PM  
Did they just realize this now?  Seriously?
 
2018-07-11 04:16:12 PM  

fernt: Utah is an illegal alien-friendly state.

Let Utah deal with them.


Um...
 
2018-07-11 04:26:55 PM  
And? Damn near every major newspaper in the country rejected Trump in 2016. GOP voters didn't give a shiat. They're not much into reading, "liberal media!", etc.

fernt: Utah is an illegal alien-friendly state.

Let Utah deal with them.


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2018-07-11 04:28:09 PM  
Deseret News is owned by the Mormon Church.  They are still fully on board with caging these children who are not 'white and delight some'.
 
2018-07-11 04:28:39 PM  
Okay, that's fine but it's the courts that say the kids can't be detained with their parents longer than 20 days.  Not Trump's fault.
 
2018-07-11 04:29:38 PM  
The orange Palpatine had numerous major newspaper editorial boards in red States turn against him. Alas, people still supported him.

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2018-07-11 04:33:28 PM  
Relax, they'll be sure to endorse people who will continue to protect Trump from impeachment in November.
 
2018-07-11 04:37:59 PM  
As I recall, with one or two exceptions every big city daily in the United States endorsed Clinton or anyone but Trump before the election. Conservative editorial boards that hadn't endorsed a Democrat in decades endorsed Clinton. But the fark your feelings idiot brigade had no use for elitist newspapers and their big words and dire warnings and such as.
 
2018-07-11 04:38:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There are enough decent people out there to stop Trump and his band of lunatics.  They just need to wake up.


I'm sure that once Romney is elected to the Senate, he will lead the fight--oh, wait...
 
2018-07-11 04:48:52 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: As I recall, with one or two exceptions every big city daily in the United States endorsed Clinton or anyone but Trump before the election. Conservative editorial boards that hadn't endorsed a Democrat in decades endorsed Clinton. But the fark your feelings idiot brigade had no use for elitist newspapers and their big words and dire warnings and such as.


Freedom means the freedom to be stupid.
 
2018-07-11 04:50:43 PM  

Meatsim1: Silly libs, Trump voters don't read the newspaper


There we go.
 
2018-07-11 04:52:33 PM  

Uzzah: cousin-merle: Looks like the original wants me to disable ad-block, so fark them.  Also, fark the Hill and their garbage right-wing editorial section.

That's no problem for Copyright Infringement Man!

In Thailand, 12 children and their soccer coach made a wrong turn, got themselves trapped in a cave and quickly became the target of an all-hands-on-deck rescue effort mounted by national and provincial officials and eager volunteers from all over the world.

In the United States, 2,000 children - maybe 3,000 - and their parents found out that the rules for seeking asylum in what was the world's largest and proudest sanctuary got themselves trapped in the administration's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy and quickly became lost in a bureaucratic purgatory that, for some of them, may never end.

In Thailand, one of the divers taking part in the rescue attempt died when he ran out of oxygen during a dive aimed at bringing aid to the lost children.

In the United States, one of the lawyers representing the government begged off a weekend court hearing because she had "dog-sitting responsibilities that require me to go back to Colorado."

It brings to mind the aphorism attributed to Marshal Stalin, "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."

It can be hard for normal people to grasp that their own government - and its individual agents, officers and attorneys - is involved in a heartless and brainless effort to visit so much deliberate cruelty upon asylum-seeking families. We are separating the children from the parents, depositing them in different places, apparently in sometimes squalid, frightening and sealed-off facilities, expecting children as young as 1 year old to explain themselves and their situation in court and not allowing members of Congress or other independent overseers to check up on what is happening.

If you want to make people believe a lie, the experts taught us, make it big.



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2018-07-11 05:01:35 PM  
Utah can and will be upset about all this but they'll still vote for almost entirely Republicans who will, in turn, vote to support this administration in everything they do.  So what I'm saying is those hypocritical assholes can go fark themselves
 
2018-07-11 05:26:56 PM  
Butter Emails
 
2018-07-11 05:42:51 PM  
It becomes fake news?
 
2018-07-11 06:04:46 PM  
The Tribune is the 'liberal' paper in the state.  I switched to the online version after KSL got too fascist.
 
2018-07-11 06:12:56 PM  
Mormons are different than the other Christian religions. They were persecuted by the US government in the 1830s and aren't accepted by evangelical churches as a legit religion. They were down with the GOP because its pro-life and anti-gay marriage, but their philosophy towards welfare and immigration is more in line with Democrats.

They're not embraced by politicians in the same way as evangelicals in the south or Catholics in the Northeast. They also grow their church membership through foreign missionary work, so tying themselves to a xenophobic president only would hurt their numbers.

They're essentially a centrist church.
 
2018-07-11 06:58:52 PM  

beakerxf: Mormons are different than the other Christian religions. They were persecuted by the US government in the 1830s and aren't accepted by evangelical churches as a legit religion. They were down with the GOP because its pro-life and anti-gay marriage, but their philosophy towards welfare and immigration is more in line with Democrats.

They're not embraced by politicians in the same way as evangelicals in the south or Catholics in the Northeast. They also grow their church membership through foreign missionary work, so tying themselves to a xenophobic president only would hurt their numbers.

They're essentially a centrist church.


They don't vote in anything resembling a centrist fashion. Utah is the reddest state in the union. Republican candidates (who aren't Trump) routinely pull in 65-70% of the vote in Utah. Democrats are lucky to break 30%.
 
2018-07-11 07:01:18 PM  
Tergiversada:

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That's great. A black girl holding up a sign asking if all lives matter. Apparently not.

"Nationally, black women terminate pregnancies at far higher rates than other women as well. In 2014, 36% of all abortions were performed on black women, who are just 13% of the female population. The little discussed flip side of "reproductive freedom" is that abortion deaths far exceed those via cancer, violent crime, heart disease, AIDS and accidents. Racism, poverty and lack of access to health care are the typical explanations for these disparities. But black women have much higher abortion rates even after you control for income. Moreover, other low-income ethnic minorities who experience discrimination, such as Hispanics, abort at rates much closer to white women than black women. Nationally, black women terminate pregnancies at far higher rates than other women as well. In 2014, 36% of all abortions were performed on black women, who are just 13% of the female population. The little discussed flip side of "reproductive freedom" is that abortion deaths far exceed those via cancer, violent crime, heart disease, AIDS and accidents. Racism, poverty and lack of access to health care are the typical explanations for these disparities. But black women have much higher abortion rates even after you control for income. Moreover, other low-income ethnic minorities who experience discrimination, such as Hispanics, abort at rates much closer to white women than black women."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-tal​k​-about-the-black-abortion-rate-1531263​697
 
2018-07-11 07:09:12 PM  

fernt: Tergiversada:

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That's great. A black girl holding up a sign asking if all lives matter. Apparently not.

"Nationally, black women terminate pregnancies at far higher rates than other women as well. In 2014, 36% of all abortions were performed on black women, who are just 13% of the female population. The little discussed flip side of "reproductive freedom" is that abortion deaths far exceed those via cancer, violent crime, heart disease, AIDS and accidents. Racism, poverty and lack of access to health care are the typical explanations for these disparities. But black women have much higher abortion rates even after you control for income. Moreover, other low-income ethnic minorities who experience discrimination, such as Hispanics, abort at rates much closer to white women than black women. Nationally, black women terminate pregnancies at far higher rates than other women as well. In 2014, 36% of all abortions were performed on black women, who are just 13% of the female population. The little discussed flip side of "reproductive freedom" is that abortion deaths far exceed those via cancer, violent crime, heart disease, AIDS and accidents. Racism, poverty and lack of access to health care are the typical explanations for these disparities. But black women have much higher abortion rates even after you control for income. Moreover, other low-income ethnic minorities who experience discrimination, such as Hispanics, abort at rates much closer to white women than black women."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-talk​-about-the-black-abortion-rate-1531263​697


..... amazing it's almost like if you systematically marginalize a group of people and make it hard for them to live a normal life and make it even harder for them get a job and raise children....

You know what it's just easier to say
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2018-07-11 07:41:18 PM  
beakerxf:

It took them way too long to give up the Curse of Ham B.S..  But ironically, there was a time when they were considered non-white.

https://thinkprogress.org/what-a-19th-​century-campaign-to-declare-mormons-no​n-white-tells-us-about-modern-islamoph​obia-231556790c58/
 
2018-07-11 07:42:54 PM  

kpaxoid: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: As I recall, with one or two exceptions every big city daily in the United States endorsed Clinton or anyone but Trump before the election. Conservative editorial boards that hadn't endorsed a Democrat in decades endorsed Clinton. But the fark your feelings idiot brigade had no use for elitist newspapers and their big words and dire warnings and such as.

Freedom means the freedom to be stupid.


"Freedom means you are free to be dumb."
 
2018-07-11 07:48:03 PM  

qorkfiend: beakerxf: Mormons are different than the other Christian religions. They were persecuted by the US government in the 1830s and aren't accepted by evangelical churches as a legit religion. They were down with the GOP because its pro-life and anti-gay marriage, but their philosophy towards welfare and immigration is more in line with Democrats.

They're not embraced by politicians in the same way as evangelicals in the south or Catholics in the Northeast. They also grow their church membership through foreign missionary work, so tying themselves to a xenophobic president only would hurt their numbers.

They're essentially a centrist church.

They don't vote in anything resembling a centrist fashion. Utah is the reddest state in the union. Republican candidates (who aren't Trump) routinely pull in 65-70% of the vote in Utah. Democrats are lucky to break 30%.


Abortion and LGBT issues are deal breakers. Take those out of the equation, Democrats would fare better. Those are two party planks centrists are only too happy to try to jettison when trying to peel off GOP voters.
 
2018-07-11 07:58:12 PM  

HighOnCraic: beakerxf:

It took them way too long to give up the Curse of Ham B.S..  But ironically, there was a time when they were considered non-white.

https://thinkprogress.org/what-a-19th-​century-campaign-to-declare-mormons-no​n-white-tells-us-about-modern-islamoph​obia-231556790c58/


Oh no doubt, they're a racist church. They are very pro-assimilation. They also have a huge non-white membership outside of Utah. That's why they finally had to open up the priesthood.

I'm no fan. Just saying that they're not evangelicals. They vote in ways that are unique to them.
 
2018-07-11 08:03:04 PM  
Is it really a comparison when you are looking at two oranges?
 
2018-07-11 08:11:05 PM  
Please. If Trump simply nominated a Mormon for SCOTUS, they'd start humping him and would forget everything.
 
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