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(Politico)   What the NY Magazine got right and wrong about its grand roll-up of Trump's 30+ years of Russia connections. TLDR: Mostly right, some wandering into right field, and all of the relationships in one place   ( politico.com) divider line
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2018-07-11 11:13:43 AM  
 
2018-07-11 11:15:24 AM  
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2018-07-11 11:20:01 AM  

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Look, this list of connections and already admitted crimes committed is just a lot of coincidences.  Just because there are certainly even more coincidences about GOP/Trump collusion that aren't public yet doesn't mean they aren't coincidences.

Its like when you get drunk and accidentally sleep with a woman who isn't your wife.  And then another one.  And then your neighbor's wife.  And some prostitutes.  And your co-worker.  And juggle two mistresses.  TOTAL ACCIDENTS.  NOT MY FAULT.
 
2018-07-11 11:26:46 AM  
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2018-07-11 11:37:35 AM  
Of course, there's no assessment in either piece as to whether a sufficient number of Americans who participate in our domestic political processes (by voting or otherwise) give enough of a damn about any of this to result in any change to our domestic political course.

Noctusxx: [img.fark.net image 640x478]


This is looking like there's nothing "light" about it.
 
2018-07-11 12:01:21 PM  
A lot of people don't want to believe -- or even contemplate -- the idea that the United States would elect, as President, someone who was in cahoots with the Russians, and I understand that. It is a deeply upsetting prospect.

Unfortunately for all of us, the evidence we do have all points towards that being the case.

People being people, there is, and will continue to be, a lot of people who refuse to acknowledge the situation we are clearly in. These are mostly people who are in one way or another partially responsible for this state of affairs. That's understandable.

I am curious to see what Mueller will bring to the table. It might be compelling enough to snap America out of its denial, but it might not. We'll see.
 
2018-07-11 12:03:25 PM  
Doesn't matter.
We are boned.

Roughly half the country would actually rather be a client state of Russia than live harmoniously with people whose skin color doesn't pass the paper bag test, while the other half wants to be Scandinavian.

The THIRD half just wants to know what time the Bachelorette starts.

I'm somewhat hopeful for the midterms, and 2020, but removing the Trump Tumor will still leave the patient stricken with the Orange cancer for a long time.
 
2018-07-11 12:16:29 PM  

sirrerun: Doesn't matter.
We are boned.

Roughly half the country would actually rather be a client state of Russia than live harmoniously with people whose skin color doesn't pass the paper bag test, while the other half wants to be Scandinavian.

The THIRD half just wants to know what time the Bachelorette starts.

I'm somewhat hopeful for the midterms, and 2020, but removing the Trump Tumor will still leave the patient stricken with the Orange cancer for a long time.


^ This guy gets it.

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2018-07-11 12:34:29 PM  
It is impossible to see the total picture and reach the conclusion that there is an innocent explanation behind it all.

No one thinks there's an innocent explanation behind it all.

Our war now is with the people who don't care.
 
2018-07-11 02:44:56 PM  
To summarize: Trump is too dumb to be an agent of Russia. Instead, he is the property of Russia.
 
2018-07-11 02:45:48 PM  
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2018-07-11 03:24:16 PM  

sirrerun: The THIRD half just wants to know what time the Bachelorette starts.


There's a whole lot of bread-and-circuses been going on in this country for the last 40 years.
 
2018-07-11 03:24:50 PM  
God damn, Americans are stupid.
 
2018-07-11 03:26:37 PM  
Instead of being in debt to Russian gangsters, now he's in debt to the Russian state.
 
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2018-07-11 03:26:55 PM  
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2018-07-11 03:27:31 PM  

Catlenfell: Instead of being in debt to Russian gangsters, now he's in debt to the Russian state.


Distinction without a difference. You may as well claim he's in debt to the Russian Orthodox Church.
 
2018-07-11 03:28:19 PM  

FrancoFile: sirrerun: The THIRD half just wants to know what time the Bachelorette starts.

There's a whole lot of bread-and-circuses been going on in this country for the last 40 years.


The Romans were at least smart enough to make the bread and circuses FREE.
 
2018-07-11 03:34:58 PM  
What about the big wad of cash Donald Trump lost in Cuba right before Vladimir Putin ran for President?
 
2018-07-11 03:35:17 PM  

Noctusxx: [img.fark.net image 850x503]


I think it would be simpler and completely accurate to have a picture of Trump, a strip of red duct tape, and a picture of Putin.
 
2018-07-11 03:36:00 PM  
Indeed, as Chait notes, if the Russians hadn't zeroed in on Trump-a man whose venality, vanity and vulgarity are like a menu of recruitable weaknesses-they'd have been guilty of intelligence malpractice.

The gilded fish in a barrel.
 
2018-07-11 03:36:01 PM  
I know there's a certain amount of corruption in the world. I accept that a lot of the time, it's not what you know, it's who you know. I understand there will be back-room deals, shady agreements, and wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say no more from the lowliest of power echelons to the highest, and I will never be privy to them because I'm not a power-broker, and I'm not in the game. Got it, understood, the way the world is and all.

On the other hand, I feel there is a social contract obligation not being met here, and that's not to rub my nose in it by exercising a modicum of discretion.
 
2018-07-11 03:39:15 PM  

palelizard: I know there's a certain amount of corruption in the world. I accept that a lot of the time, it's not what you know, it's who you know. I understand there will be back-room deals, shady agreements, and wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say no more from the lowliest of power echelons to the highest, and I will never be privy to them because I'm not a power-broker, and I'm not in the game. Got it, understood, the way the world is and all.

On the other hand, I feel there is a social contract obligation not being met here, and that's not to rub my nose in it by exercising a modicum of discretion.


Chase and Carnegie understood this. So did T. Roosevelt. There's nothing too bad about greasing wheels and palms. Shiat happens. But the blatant, "Fark you, and what are you ever going to do about it" will lead to heads on pikes, or the guillotine again. 

When people run out of farks to give, things get messy.
 
2018-07-11 03:40:41 PM  

Noctusxx: [img.fark.net image 640x478]


Espionage is a federal crime punishable by death.
 
2018-07-11 03:43:00 PM  

Noctusxx: [img.fark.net image 850x503]


[Charlie-Day-mailroom.jpg]
[Glenn-Beck-blackboard.jpg]
[Alex-Jones.jpg]

Not that there aren't documented associations between DT and his Merry Band of Colluders, but is there any way to make it less tin-foil-y?

// I'd guess not
// sigh... a well-sourced wall-O-truth always loses to "lol conspiracy nuts gonna nut conspiratorily"
 
2018-07-11 03:43:36 PM  
Trump is doing everything that Putin would like to do (destroying NATO, starting a trade war that will hurt the US and the west), and he is always saying how he wants to get along with Russia.  He refuses to say anything critical about Putin, including excusing his murdering people by saying the US isn't so great either.

The question is why?

It does seem like they have something on Trump.  Nothing else explains his behavior.
 
2018-07-11 03:44:18 PM  
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/More than just Russia
//Like Shark Week!
 
2018-07-11 03:44:51 PM  
Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.
 
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2018-07-11 03:56:19 PM  
 
2018-07-11 03:59:25 PM  

Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.


I wish they'd get the fark on with it. There's not going to be much left if they wait much longer before spilling it all.
 
2018-07-11 04:00:10 PM  
The sad thing is, the Trumpers are only going to keep getting more committed to him at this point, they've got too much invested to turn on him. The only way this has a happy ending is if he gets declawed in the midterms, loses re-election in 2020, and the truth comes out after that, at a time when he doesn't have the power to affect the narrative. And even then, the MAGAs will just go for the next huckster who plays to their outrage.
 
2018-07-11 04:00:52 PM  

Catlenfell: Instead of being in debt to Russian gangsters, now he's in debt to the Russian state.


From what I understand, they're the same thing.
 
2018-07-11 04:04:41 PM  

disco ball: Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.

I wish they'd get the fark on with it. There's not going to be much left if they wait much longer before spilling it all.


Part of me wonders if they are waiting for the meeting with Putin to get more dirt on Trump. There is no way those rooms in Helsinki aren't going to be bugged to the teeth.
 
2018-07-11 04:08:56 PM  

rbuzby: Trump is doing everything that Putin would like to do (destroying NATO, starting a trade war that will hurt the US and the west), and he is always saying how he wants to get along with Russia.  He refuses to say anything critical about Putin, including excusing his murdering people by saying the US isn't so great either.

The question is why?

It does seem like they have something on Trump.  Nothing else explains his behavior.


Well, that and dementia. Dementia explains some of his behavior. Specifically, the babbling like a farking idiot aspect.
 
2018-07-11 04:10:48 PM  
Seth Abramson.
Follow him on Twitter.

He connects the dots months in advance, then stews while waiting for media to sit on it. Dude is legit smart with impressive deduction skills.

(He's the one all TFers whine about long Twitter feeds.)
 
2018-07-11 04:17:08 PM  

Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.


I've been following that a bit.  https://www.emptywheel.net/2018​/07/10/​the-text-about-flynn-wasnt-the-substan​tial-role-in-the-russian-attack-it-jus​t-linked-the-grand-bargain-to-it/

Political analysts sure are following every word she types for hoping for clues.
 
2018-07-11 04:17:11 PM  

skyotter: God damn, Americans are stupid.


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2018-07-11 04:18:32 PM  

skyotter: God damn, Americans are stupid.


Yes, yes we are.
 
2018-07-11 04:27:24 PM  

the_innkeeper: palelizard: I know there's a certain amount of corruption in the world. I accept that a lot of the time, it's not what you know, it's who you know. I understand there will be back-room deals, shady agreements, and wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say no more from the lowliest of power echelons to the highest, and I will never be privy to them because I'm not a power-broker, and I'm not in the game. Got it, understood, the way the world is and all.

On the other hand, I feel there is a social contract obligation not being met here, and that's not to rub my nose in it by exercising a modicum of discretion.

Chase and Carnegie understood this. So did T. Roosevelt. There's nothing too bad about greasing wheels and palms. Shiat happens. But the blatant, "Fark you, and what are you ever going to do about it" will lead to heads on pikes, or the guillotine again. 

When people run out of farks to give, things get messy.


Actually there appears to be an inverse relationship between greased palms and general prosperity (this follows most cultures and nations, although there can be a fairly long delay between decadence and collapse).  A smart nation will come down hard on it.

Also, between the political and economic corruption, this seems to be the normal level in the US (check any 19th century description of politics.  Actually it still has a way to go down).  From the Great Depression to Reagan's election fear of a Communist revolution kept the kleptocrats in check, since then the gloves are back off and they are full at it.  They have just been keeping the increases as gradual as possible to prevent any real resistance.

They've been saying "fark you, what are you going to do about it" louder and louder since Reagan took office.  And who has answered?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/​t​rump-is-a-19th-century-president-facin​g-21st-century-problems/
 
2018-07-11 04:29:41 PM  

schnee: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

/More than just Russia
//Like Shark Week!


Where does that come from?  It looks like it is generated regularly.
 
2018-07-11 04:29:44 PM  

rbuzby: Trump is doing everything that Putin would like to do (destroying NATO, starting a trade war that will hurt the US and the west), and he is always saying how he wants to get along with Russia.  He refuses to say anything critical about Putin, including excusing his murdering people by saying the US isn't so great either.

The question is why?

It does seem like they have something on Trump.  Nothing else explains his behavior.


Expectation of a massive, Mother of All Bribes would explain his behavior. Something Rosneft-sized.
Considering what he's managed to shrug off, what's left that would shame him? His legion of Trumptards wouldn't be appalled by a damn pee tape.
 
2018-07-11 04:36:14 PM  
45 probably forgot all of whom he owed a debt or was connected. And instead of asking, he became President so investigative reporters would do the heaving lifting and find all of these connections on his behalf.
 
2018-07-11 04:36:54 PM  

BooksontheBrain: disco ball: Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.

I wish they'd get the fark on with it. There's not going to be much left if they wait much longer before spilling it all.

Part of me wonders if they are waiting for the meeting with Putin to get more dirt on Trump. There is no way those rooms in Helsinki aren't going to be bugged to the teeth.


Dirt is irrelevant if they don't extend his loans.  What type of dirt could you have on Trump, anyway?  The tapes *might* annoy his base, but they seem willing to forgive just about anything.  They might threaten to not extend his loans and record his simpering pleading, that would work.  Anything else would slide off teflon Don like absolutely everything else he's said or done.

Best guess is that Putin already owns Trump through control of his finances.  Kompromat might be the preferred way to control an asset, but in Trump's case controlling his finances is total control.  Follow the money.  It brought down Nixon, it will bring down Trump.
 
2018-07-11 04:44:20 PM  

BooksontheBrain: disco ball: Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.

I wish they'd get the fark on with it. There's not going to be much left if they wait much longer before spilling it all.

Part of me wonders if they are waiting for the meeting with Putin to get more dirt on Trump. There is no way those rooms in Helsinki aren't going to be bugged to the teeth.



One would hope that MI6 or GCHQ could do their FVEYs buddies a solid.
 
2018-07-11 05:03:56 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Noctusxx: [img.fark.net image 850x503]

[Charlie-Day-mailroom.jpg]
[Glenn-Beck-blackboard.jpg]
[Alex-Jones.jpg]

Not that there aren't documented associations between DT and his Merry Band of Colluders, but is there any way to make it less tin-foil-y?

// I'd guess not
// sigh... a well-sourced wall-O-truth always loses to "lol conspiracy nuts gonna nut conspiratorily"


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2018-07-11 05:28:36 PM  

SiriusClown: Dr Dreidel: Noctusxx: [img.fark.net image 850x503]

[Charlie-Day-mailroom.jpg]
[Glenn-Beck-blackboard.jpg]
[Alex-Jones.jpg]

Not that there aren't documented associations between DT and his Merry Band of Colluders, but is there any way to make it less tin-foil-y?

// I'd guess not
// sigh... a well-sourced wall-O-truth always loses to "lol conspiracy nuts gonna nut conspiratorily"

[static1.squarespace.com image 850x637]


How come there's no "I'm ERIC!" listed there? No Ivanka? They're balls deep in this mess too
 
2018-07-11 05:28:51 PM  
The evidence to bring down trump is the prize of a lifetime. The person who brings it to light will see their name in history books.
 
2018-07-11 05:37:35 PM  

Glicky: schnee: [img.fark.net image 850x637]

/More than just Russia
//Like Shark Week!

Where does that come from?  It looks like it is generated regularly.


I try to update it about weekly. You can take a look at https://schnee.github.io/tangled for a little more context. And notice the call for help - I could use some more people adding to the source document.
 
2018-07-11 05:49:22 PM  

Ginnungagap42: BooksontheBrain: disco ball: Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.

I wish they'd get the fark on with it. There's not going to be much left if they wait much longer before spilling it all.

Part of me wonders if they are waiting for the meeting with Putin to get more dirt on Trump. There is no way those rooms in Helsinki aren't going to be bugged to the teeth.


One would hope that MI6 or GCHQ could do their FVEYs buddies a solid.


They're in Helsinki and Supo has a lot of experience gathering Intelligence on Russian operatives.
 
2018-07-11 05:53:24 PM  

AntiM: Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.

I've been following that a bit.  https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/​07/10/the-text-about-flynn-wasnt-the-s​ubstantial-role-in-the-russian-attack-​it-just-linked-the-grand-bargain-to-it​/

Political analysts sure are following every word she types for hoping for clues.


Was texting with my Mom about this and we both have a hunch the the person who sent The Text is Greenwald.
 
2018-07-11 06:27:51 PM  

Nied: AntiM: Nied: Meanwhile former Intercept and HuffPo reporter Marcy Wheeler keeps dropping hints that she knows something absolutely huge.

I've been following that a bit.  https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/​07/10/the-text-about-flynn-wasnt-the-s​ubstantial-role-in-the-russian-attack-​it-just-linked-the-grand-bargain-to-it​/

Political analysts sure are following every word she types for hoping for clues.

Was texting with my Mom about this and we both have a hunch the the person who sent The Text is Greenwald.


That is disturbingly plausible.
 
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