Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Wired)   Department of State: You wouldn't download a 3D-printed gun, would you? Judge: Fark you, he can and he will. And also, fark you, pay him   ( wired.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Firearm, Wilson, Defense Distributed, gun control, Gun politics in the United States, Gun, Weapon, Cody Wilson  
•       •       •

5262 clicks; posted to Geek » on 11 Jul 2018 at 4:07 AM (10 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



239 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2018-07-11 01:03:46 AM  
In a weird way this could end the NRA. They work for the gun manufacturers who could go bankrupt if people start making their own guns.
 
2018-07-11 01:10:06 AM  
"Radical libertarian"? Say what he is: Anarchist.
 
2018-07-11 01:12:14 AM  
the major upside to this project?  the trumpers won't be able to figure out how to make a 3d printer work properly.
 
2018-07-11 01:46:34 AM  

Weaver95: the major upside to this project?  the trumpers won't be able to figure out how to make a 3d printer work properly.


But a ton of them could probably just mill a real gun by hand.
 
2018-07-11 01:51:44 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: the major upside to this project?  the trumpers won't be able to figure out how to make a 3d printer work properly.

But a ton of them could probably just mill a real gun by hand.


would YOU trust a garage manufactured gun made by a red cap who barely made it out of high school and thinks book learnin' is for wimps?
 
2018-07-11 01:59:44 AM  

Weaver95: the major upside to this project?  the trumpers won't be able to figure out how to make a 3d printer work properly.


Their idea of 3D is Dollar General, Dollar Tree and Denny's
 
2018-07-11 02:12:16 AM  
You can find the chemical composition of every controlled substance on the internet and I assume one or more methods of manufacturing them.  Some will require some fairly expensive and specialized equipment to produce them and a shiat load of safety gear, but the expense would probably be less than what this guy has invested in his digital gun running operation.  But manufacturing and possession of those controlled substances still earn you a stretch in a PMITA prison.  There's nothing preventing the Feds from enacting similar laws imposing criminal sanctions for manufacturing firearms or possessing NFA type weapons, or for that matter adding additional categories of weapons to the NFA.

Strip away Wilson's hype and pretentious philosophical bullshiat and what he has done is akin to creating Meth Labs for Dummies, the digital edition,   The materials may be cheaper and more readily available and the process easier but that isn't going to make the feds give up on legal prohibitions and criminal sanctions for actually building and operating one,  Wilson won't be able to force a change in the Second Amendment to encompass an unlimited right to manufacture firearms without the required licenses or to require serial numbers and record books of them either.
 
2018-07-11 02:18:33 AM  

stan unusual: Strip away Wilson's hype and pretentious philosophical bullshiat and what he has done is akin to creating Meth Labs for Dummies, the digital edition,


no, what he's done is show people that our laws aren't really ready for or able to handle the technologies we're creating.  do we quash technological innovation in order to create the illusion of safety?  or do we let technology run its course and hope it doesn't end up killing someone in the process?

there are no easy or complete answers to those questions....but even that misses the point.  once something is created, its going to be used in ways its creators never intended.  our initial reaction to such a thing these days is to shut it down fast as possible, without stopping to consider the uses (positive and negative alike).  But you can't stuff the genie back in the bottle.  once a new technology exists, you can't make someone unlearn it.  it'll get out there in the wild and its going to go the places its going to go and that's just all there is to it.
 
2018-07-11 02:18:42 AM  
How long will it be before somebody can print a RPG  or antiaircraft missile?
 
2018-07-11 02:30:05 AM  

JonBuck: "Radical libertarian"? Say what he is: Anarchist.


The article did. Many times.
 
2018-07-11 03:36:59 AM  
Weaver95:

Where I grew up?  Can and have.

Hell, I think I know a gunsmith. Or at least a guy with enough spare parts to assemble something commercial grade with minimal tools.
 
2018-07-11 03:43:41 AM  
rare gun designs that use caseless ammunition

I think H&K tried that. Apparently the spent shells take a lot of heat with them when they eject and caseless guns tend to have really bad cookoff problems.
 
2018-07-11 03:49:40 AM  

fusillade762: rare gun designs that use caseless ammunition

I think H&K tried that. Apparently the spent shells take a lot of heat with them when they eject and caseless guns tend to have really bad cookoff problems.


I wonder how a gyrojet would hold up to repetitive fire. Someone needs to make a modern version
 
2018-07-11 04:12:23 AM  
This reminds me of when the US tried to make cryptography 'munitions'.  Farking stupid.
 
2018-07-11 04:17:50 AM  
"He's been shot by a Morgul gun."
 
2018-07-11 04:26:00 AM  

Weaver95: stan unusual: Strip away Wilson's hype and pretentious philosophical bullshiat and what he has done is akin to creating Meth Labs for Dummies, the digital edition,

no, what he's done is show people that our laws aren't really ready for or able to handle the technologies we're creating.  do we quash technological innovation in order to create the illusion of safety?  or do we let technology run its course and hope it doesn't end up killing someone in the process?

there are no easy or complete answers to those questions....but even that misses the point.  once something is created, its going to be used in ways its creators never intended.  our initial reaction to such a thing these days is to shut it down fast as possible, without stopping to consider the uses (positive and negative alike).  But you can't stuff the genie back in the bottle.  once a new technology exists, you can't make someone unlearn it.  it'll get out there in the wild and its going to go the places its going to go and that's just all there is to it.


Bowie as Nikola Tesla in 'The Prestige'
Youtube PF76qlwWM8s
 
2018-07-11 04:31:43 AM  
Also, given how the book "How to Lie with Statistics" was taken as an instructional text for the GOP, instead of a warning to people in the public (it should mandatory reading in every public school before one becomes a teenager), I'd be hesitant to release any new device or idea, particularly based on a weapon.
 
2018-07-11 04:34:29 AM  

2xhelix: Their idea of 3D is Dollar General, Dollar Tree and Denny's


Dollar General stores are springing up like wildfire in rural Oregon towns. I don't know what is behind it, but they're populating almost as quickly in this state as those collared doves which are taking over the US.
 
2018-07-11 04:37:42 AM  
Go from The Feed to The Seed.
 
2018-07-11 04:40:20 AM  
Courts have rarely supported the idea that if the government decides "there oughta be a law" that they can prosecute someone under a law that actually does not apply.

If this had happened a couple of decades earlier they would have charged the guy with "wire fraud", which the government defined as "anything we don't like that involves communications".  They used to try and prosecute people for having Internet archives of downloadable files that included copyright violations using that.  Then a judge said "that isn't 'fraud'".
 
2018-07-11 04:40:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: This reminds me of when the US tried to make cryptography 'munitions'.  Farking stupid.


That was one of his main arguments. This was a First Amendment issue way more than a Second.
 
2018-07-11 05:00:45 AM  
Weird ...what's stopping gun manufacturers from sueing this guy for copyright infringement?

He's completely scanning and distributing their gun designs from what it sounds like?
 
2018-07-11 05:07:14 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Weird ...what's stopping gun manufacturers from sueing this guy for copyright infringement?

He's completely scanning and distributing their gun designs from what it sounds like?


Those patents have expired. The AR 15 was invented in the 1950s, and the 1911._.well.
 
2018-07-11 05:37:51 AM  

puffy999: 2xhelix: Their idea of 3D is Dollar General, Dollar Tree and Denny's

Dollar General stores are springing up like wildfire in rural Oregon towns. I don't know what is behind it, but they're populating almost as quickly in this state as those collared doves which are taking over the US.


Dollar General is a throwback to the general stores of old.  They are convenient for "I need this now" type items.  Food Staples, paper goods, etc.  Anything can be bought on the internet, but the shipping time is inconvenient if you need a gallon of milk or toilet paper. Yeah, there is usually a Walmart around, but nobody wants to really go there if they just need a carton of eggs or a bag of sugar, and there is usually a Dollar General closer than a Walmart anymore due to their smaller footprint.
 
2018-07-11 05:50:00 AM  
Print out a knife.
 
2018-07-11 05:54:12 AM  

Coelacanth: How long will it be before somebody can print a RPG  or antiaircraft missile?


It's possible now. Making the launch tube for an RPG is pretty simple. The actual weapon part would be a bit more difficult, but not insurmountably so. Assembling all the components and building the explosive charges properly require a lot of specialized skills, but there are loads of pyrotechnicians in the US who could manage nicely.

One of the limiting factors (for most 3D printers) will be the size of the parts required. You aren't going to be able to just push a button on the screen and have a fully-formed-and-assembled firearm when the printer finishes running. The printer will make the individual parts of the firearm, which you would then have to de-burr and assemble. 3D printers which work by metal-deposition are also harder to find and much more expensive, so making barrels will remain the province of machinists for a while yet. TFA mentioned plugging the firearms program into a 3D printer or a CNC milling machine (or both, really). Pull up the file you want, connect the computer to the 3D printer for the weapon's furniture and non-metal parts, and plug into a CNC machine for the barrel and other "load-bearing" parts which can't (shouldn't) be made of anything but metal.

The previous limiting factor for making your own firearms (lathes, milling machines, and the skills to use them) are being removed by 3D printing. All of the really tough design work is done by the CAD/CAM program- all the operator needs to do is make a few selections and push the button to start everything. There is still the cost limit- CNC machines are not cheap- but that's gradually eroding as well as the technology progresses.
 
2018-07-11 05:56:37 AM  
It's a g-g-g-ghost!

img.fark.netView Full Size


*Trigger warning: Super Scary.
 
2018-07-11 06:06:50 AM  

Burr: puffy999: 2xhelix: Their idea of 3D is Dollar General, Dollar Tree and Denny's

Dollar General stores are springing up like wildfire in rural Oregon towns. I don't know what is behind it, but they're populating almost as quickly in this state as those collared doves which are taking over the US.

Dollar General is a throwback to the general stores of old.  They are convenient for "I need this now" type items.  Food Staples, paper goods, etc.  Anything can be bought on the internet, but the shipping time is inconvenient if you need a gallon of milk or toilet paper. Yeah, there is usually a Walmart around, but nobody wants to really go there if they just need a carton of eggs or a bag of sugar, and there is usually a Dollar General closer than a Walmart anymore due to their smaller footprint.


No. I mean, they are popping up in places that a national chain usually would be hesitant to touch due to low population. Brand new developments.

Honestly I wonder if this is about real estate, and these are basically "little box stores" doing what big box stores do.
 
2018-07-11 06:26:25 AM  
I don't know if the chicken or the egg came first, but I watched a documentary on Netflix about the 3D printer revolution, then saw all this pop up on my news last night.  The guy at the center of this lawsuit was on that documentary as well (they showed him test firing his 3D printed gun too).  He's a bit "out there".

It's called "Print the Legend" for anyone interested (it's a little long, and really delves into the startup aspects of two small companies in the space rather than the political implications of 3D printing weapons).  It is funny to see the CEO of MakerBot cringe when reporters ask hiim about 3D printed weapons however.

Personally, I wouldn't spend >$300 on a 3D printer then spend whatever on material and time to print out and assemble his one shot pistol that looked like a water gun and would probably fire a few times before needing replacement parts or just flat out failing (this is based on zero knowledge on my part about 3D printing or materials used).  I bought a nice enough (legal) handgun for less than that some 20 odd years ago, which is clip fed and (legally) holds 10 rounds which I can (legally) take to the range anytime I want (legally speaking).

They talk about printing out an AR-15.  So what.  If I needed one of those I would have already bought one.  I don't, and haven't.  Again, why would I spend potentially more money (you'd probably want a high end model 3D printer in this case) on a printer to make something I can already legally own and buy for cheaper.

After watching the program last night, I kept thinking "what thing that I absolutely need to make would justify me buying a 3D printer?".  I came up with nothing.  We used to use them at work for prototyping, but then the thing broke and no one cared enough to get it fixed (it seemed the value was not perceived by management).

Maybe I can leverage that mentality and pick one up cheap to tinker with (off to eBay!)
 
2018-07-11 06:30:08 AM  

Coelacanth: How long will it be before somebody can print a RPG  or antiaircraft missile?


That's not how that works. Yeah, they could print the round but, where would they get the explosive? You could 3D print a tank, but that doesn't make it functional.
 
2018-07-11 06:33:43 AM  

2xhelix: Weaver95: the major upside to this project?  the trumpers won't be able to figure out how to make a 3d printer work properly.

Their idea of 3D is Dollar General, Dollar Tree and Denny's


Close.

Dollar General, Denny's, and "Disability" payments...
 
2018-07-11 06:40:29 AM  

kevljo: After watching the program last night, I kept thinking "what thing that I absolutely need to make would justify me buying a 3D printer?".


My son in law has a 3D printer, and the first thing we did after he got it was make an erect penis.

So it's not a complete waste.
 
2018-07-11 06:41:09 AM  

Weaver95: stan unusual: Strip away Wilson's hype and pretentious philosophical bullshiat and what he has done is akin to creating Meth Labs for Dummies, the digital edition,

no, what he's done is show people that our laws aren't really ready for or able to handle the technologies we're creating.  do we quash technological innovation in order to create the illusion of safety?  or do we let technology run its course and hope it doesn't end up killing someone in the process?

there are no easy or complete answers to those questions....but even that misses the point.  once something is created, its going to be used in ways its creators never intended.  our initial reaction to such a thing these days is to shut it down fast as possible, without stopping to consider the uses (positive and negative alike).  But you can't stuff the genie back in the bottle.  once a new technology exists, you can't make someone unlearn it.  it'll get out there in the wild and its going to go the places its going to go and that's just all there is to it.


nearly ten yeas ago now, in the UK, there was massive growth in 'legal highs', in response to reduced availability of MDMA.

They were legal so far as they werent illegal, but they only werent illegal because they were brand new... with new compounds constantly being generated and made available.

Anyway, back then there was apparently a warehouse full (and it's multiple now) of little baggies of white powder that had been seized. There's isnt the resources to even begin to start testing and categorising.

tl;dr: the law's inability to keep up with technology is an issue across the board and is only going to get worse. We need a pragmatic but also creative solution, and that aint coming out of the UK or US any time soon.
 
2018-07-11 06:56:00 AM  
kevljo:
Personally, I wouldn't spend >$300 on a 3D printer then spend whatever on material and time to print out and assemble his one shot pistol that looked like a water gun and would probably fire a few times before needing replacement parts or just flat out failing (this is based on zero knowledge on my part about 3D printing or materials used).  I bought a nice enough (legal) handgun for less than that some 20 odd years ago, which is clip fed and (legally) holds 10 rounds which I can (legally) take to the range anytime I want (legally speaking).

They talk about printing out an AR-15.  So what.  If I needed one of those I would have already bought one.  I don't, and haven't.  Again, why would I spend potentially more money (you'd probably want a high end model 3D printer in this case) on a printer to make something I can already legally own and buy for cheaper.


3D printing is like CNC machining.  It's not ideal if you're making one or two.  But it's great if you're one man making a few thousand.
 
2018-07-11 06:58:49 AM  
This is great news. I mean, I think we can all come together and agree that what Americans need right now is easier access to untraceable firearms. I
 
2018-07-11 07:03:49 AM  
3D printing, CNC machining, repeating lathe, committing plans to written record... it was all heralded as allowing anyone to make anything regardless of skill or means for both good and bad.

You know how to make a gun? Go bag groceries for a week, take money, buy it. Failing that there was never any law about smacking hot steel into whatever shape you want including a gun. You're allowed to make your own stuff, go-to-the-store pervasive mentality not withstanding.

Although these guys are weird like teenagers rebelliously eating broccoli and daring what you're going to do about it. The bloody arm flag thing speaks to an imaginative worldview.

And OMG untraceable. Yeah watch me whittle an untraceable bear doll our of this wooden stick. No one cares. The biggest issue I could see is liability for design. One of these designs is going to be downloaded, built, and hurt the user because it blows up probably from construction on a poor quality printer.
 
2018-07-11 07:11:37 AM  
I can buy better guns at the gun store. Do you really want to be relying on that garage shiat when we are fighting over the rotting carcass of a possum in the ruins?
 
2018-07-11 07:14:27 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: This is great news. I mean, I think we can all come together and agree that what Americans need right now is easier access to untraceable firearms. I


That ship has long since sailed. There are between 250 million to 400 million firearms in the US. With the way things are going, you don't want to be the only one on you block without one.

/gun control is dead now because of the Supreme Court
 
2018-07-11 07:34:38 AM  
The Constitution is becoming obsolete.

The Founding Fathers could never imagine what we're dealing with now. These never thought "free speech" could actually be weaponized.

But between Russian bots weaponizing Facebook, of these gun-nuts with their  "code = speech, code = 3d printed gun, therefore 3d printed gun= free speech"  nonsense.

the same free speech argument could be used to chip away at IP law too you know. Who the hell is the NFL to tell me I'm not allowed to describe a football game?
 
2018-07-11 07:44:21 AM  

JonBuck: "Radical libertarian"? Say what he is: Anarchist.


No no no. If it's one thing the right has made clear, it's that you need to be politically correct and not hurt his confefe by calling him an anarchist.
 
2018-07-11 07:47:18 AM  
And code is not speech. Speech informs but doesn't actually do anything.
Code is a machine. it DOES things.

Therefore the (3d printer file) code is a gun. And should be legally be so.

/judge got it wrong.
//I'm a coder
/// and 3
 
2018-07-11 07:48:46 AM  
I'm an advocate of strong gun control, but this doesn't worry me much.

Even if 3D printers were as common as Inkjets, how many people are going to download and fire a gun designed by some rando on the internets? For all you know, it could have been designed by some sociopath and setup to intentionally asplode in your face. I suppose legitimate companies might start selling proven/tested designs, but CNC has been with us for a long time and AFAIK nobody is selling the files to machine a gun.
 
2018-07-11 07:53:28 AM  

Coelacanth: How long will it be before somebody can print a RPG  or antiaircraft missile?


uproxx.files.wordpress.comView Full Size
 
2018-07-11 07:56:57 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Therefore the (3d printer file) code is a gun. And should be legally be so.


Ok, then I'm going to go home and eat cook books for dinner
 
2018-07-11 07:59:11 AM  
No way to print out something that makes people not want to kill each other.
 
2018-07-11 08:04:33 AM  
I predict a big rise in serious injuries when some super geniuses tell themselves "how hard can it be"
 
2018-07-11 08:06:22 AM  
timeentertainment.files.wordpress.comView Full Size
Approves.
 
2018-07-11 08:12:20 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'm an advocate of strong gun control, but this doesn't worry me much.

Even if 3D printers were as common as Inkjets, how many people are going to download and fire a gun designed by some rando on the internets? For all you know, it could have been designed by some sociopath and setup to intentionally asplode in your face. I suppose legitimate companies might start selling proven/tested designs, but CNC has been with us for a long time and AFAIK nobody is selling the files to machine a gun.


Yet.
 
2018-07-11 08:13:26 AM  

EvilElecBlanket: /gun control is dead now because of the Supreme Court


Ah, yes, the target du jour these days...
 
2018-07-11 08:13:49 AM  

Coelacanth: How long will it be before somebody can print a RPG  or antiaircraft missile?


Not very long at all...if it's not already here:

https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature​/​print-missile
 
Displayed 50 of 239 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking

On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report