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2018-07-11 03:45:56 AM  
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
 
2018-07-11 03:53:40 AM  

fusillade762: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!


good news everyone, im a horses butt.wmv
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2018-07-11 05:47:20 AM  
Black Jack and hookers.
 
2018-07-11 07:40:30 AM  

fusillade762: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!


Its a suppository!
 
2018-07-11 07:59:12 AM  
He'll sell millions of them to internet fanboys, futurists and other morons who think, for example, that TED talks are science.
 
2018-07-11 09:10:36 AM  
Honestly. I'm starting to wonder if this Elon fellow might be mentally unstable.
 
2018-07-11 09:12:52 AM  
I don't think I will ever understand the Musk hate.
 
2018-07-11 09:28:21 AM  
You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.
 
2018-07-11 09:40:40 AM  
So he found a use for spent oxygen tanks?
 
2018-07-11 09:41:26 AM  

bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.


It must be frustrating when your home planet is only a quick 15 zorcons from here, you can't leave because your mission isn't over yet, but you can barely stand to be among these stupid, uncooperative, form-locked hairless apes any longer.
 
2018-07-11 09:55:00 AM  

bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.


Urectum?
 
2018-07-11 09:58:52 AM  

bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.


You gotta hand it to him: with more resources available to him than most small countries and with a world of problems in desperate need of solutions, he ordered the best minds money can buy to build him something utterly useless, which was delivered too late to be of any use, and which may or may not have worked as intended.

Now, sure, someday someone might find something useful to do with the Aqua-Muskmobile. And if someone happens to find a way in which this latest attention stunt actually helps someone somewhere, great. The person who figures that out will have done humanity a favour by re-purposing a billionaire's toy into an actual tool. But Elon? He already got what he paid for.

See, with the magic of modern engineering technology, his crack team of engineers successfully managed to insert Elon Musk's name in a rapidly moving international news story, despite most scientific observers believing that Musk-insertion required a Musk-friendly informational environment such as rocketry, automobiles, or workers' rights. But only Musk -- latter-day Edison that he is -- would have had the foresight to realise this news story could be reverse-engineered into an engineering story, and then to use that story to drive an audacious PR story about the superiority of Musk's engineering.

Sucks that those selfish Thai divers had to go and steal Elon's credit by actually saving the kids though.
 
2018-07-11 10:00:54 AM  
Mount a flamethrower on it and you can sell it to the navy...or NRA members.
 
2018-07-11 10:12:18 AM  

Bowen: Honestly. I'm starting to wonder if this Elon fellow might be mentally unstable.


Read more of what he actually writes, and less of what news outlets tell you he writes. More than half the stories about him seem to be purposefully misleading.
 
2018-07-11 10:22:23 AM  

pkjun: bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.

You gotta hand it to him: with more resources available to him than most small countries and with a world of problems in desperate need of solutions, he ordered the best minds money can buy to build him something utterly useless, which was delivered too late to be of any use, and which may or may not have worked as intended.

Now, sure, someday someone might find something useful to do with the Aqua-Muskmobile. And if someone happens to find a way in which this latest attention stunt actually helps someone somewhere, great. The person who figures that out will have done humanity a favour by re-purposing a billionaire's toy into an actual tool. But Elon? He already got what he paid for.

See, with the magic of modern engineering technology, his crack team of engineers successfully managed to insert Elon Musk's name in a rapidly moving international news story, despite most scientific observers believing that Musk-insertion required a Musk-friendly informational environment such as rocketry, automobiles, or workers' rights. But only Musk -- latter-day Edison that he is -- would have had the foresight to realise this news story could be reverse-engineered into an engineering story, and then to use that story to drive an audacious PR story about the superiority of Musk's engineering.

Sucks that those selfish Thai divers had to go and steal Elon's credit by actually saving the kids though.


The officials said it might be months before they could get anybody out. Elon Musk delivered a solution on the very eve of their rescue, which went from months to days - if they hadn't rushed the rescue operation, there is a very good chance Musk's team would have been involved and probably helped considerably. As for the device being useless? I doubt it... I'm sure there will be uses for it in the future.

So tell us, where did Elon touch you as a child, any way?
 
2018-07-11 10:23:12 AM  
pkjun:

You gotta hand it to him: with more resources available to him than most small countries and with a world of problems in desperate need of solutions, he ordered the best minds money can buy to build him something utterly useless, which was delivered too late to be of any use, and which may or may not have worked as intended.

its literally a piece of tubing from one of the rockets, an oxygen tank and purge valve so it doesn't become a pipe bomb with a dead person inside, it probably cost less than a few thousand dollars.
 
2018-07-11 10:23:32 AM  

Xarian0: Bowen: Honestly. I'm starting to wonder if this Elon fellow might be mentally unstable.

Read more of what he actually writes, and less of what news outlets tell you he writes. More than half the stories about him seem to be purposefully misleading.


Yes, it's perfectly stable to spend his time whining to the media that they were wrong to call the Thai guy in charge of the rescue operation (the one who vetoed his unasked-for submarine before successfully overseeing the actual rescue) by the title "rescue chief" in a headline, because in Musk's mind the actual "subject matter expert" was a British diver he had been emailing who had participated in the operation but who was not actually in charge of anything.

Complaining that the guy in charge of the rescue was undeserving of the title "rescue chief" would definitely be the top priority for a stable and serious person who only wanted to help, and does not at all make him sound like a spoiled mantoddler upset that people were congratulating the mean old man who wouldn't let him play with his fun new toy.
 
2018-07-11 10:26:47 AM  
Any mention of Elon Musk sure riles up the seething losers who've accomplished nothing with their lives.
 
2018-07-11 10:31:12 AM  

LesserEvil: The officials said it might be months before they could get anybody out. Elon Musk delivered a solution on the very eve of their rescue, which went from months to days - if they hadn't rushed the rescue operation, there is a very good chance Musk's team would have been involved and probably helped considerably. As for the device being useless? I doubt it... I'm sure there will be uses for it in the future.

So tell us, where did Elon touch you as a child, any way?


Musk cultists are weird. Interrupt their hymn-singing to point out that he did not actually do anything useful and they insinuate that the only reason a person wouldn't fall over themselves praising a celebrity-billionaire for his ineffective PR stunt must be a deep personal hatred for said celebrity-billionaire.

Like, no. He didn't help. He doesn't get the credit for helping. It's weird that he's got a chorus of fanboys insisting that he be given credit anyway. It's as simple as that.

I just don't get the Musklove. He's a rich guy who pays smart guys to figure out ways for poor guys to build stuff for other rich guys. The world has a lot of those. But as soon as one of them starts quoting Rick and Morty, all of a sudden we must open our hearts and praise his name for his works are mighty and beneficent.
 
2018-07-11 10:32:44 AM  
Voyage to the bottom of Donald Trump's colon!
 
2018-07-11 10:38:17 AM  

jaytkay: Any mention of Elon Musk sure riles up the seething losers who've accomplished nothing with their lives.


Yeah. I think they stan so hard for him because he makes them feel that watching cartoons and posting memes is a viable career path to becoming a cool billionaire engineer too.
 
2018-07-11 10:39:10 AM  

pkjun: bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.

You gotta hand it to him: with more resources available to him than most small countries and with a world of problems in desperate need of solutions, he ordered the best minds money can buy to build him something utterly useless, which was delivered too late to be of any use, and which may or may not have worked as intended.

Now, sure, someday someone might find something useful to do with the Aqua-Muskmobile. And if someone happens to find a way in which this latest attention stunt actually helps someone somewhere, great. The person who figures that out will have done humanity a favour by re-purposing a billionaire's toy into an actual tool. But Elon? He already got what he paid for.

See, with the magic of modern engineering technology, his crack team of engineers successfully managed to insert Elon Musk's name in a rapidly moving international news story, despite most scientific observers believing that Musk-insertion required a Musk-friendly informational environment such as rocketry, automobiles, or workers' rights. But only Musk -- latter-day Edison that he is -- would have had the foresight to realise this news story could be reverse-engineered into an engineering story, and then to use that story to drive an audacious PR story about the superiority of Musk's engineering.

Sucks that those selfish Thai divers had to go and steal Elon's credit by actually saving the kids though.


Did Elon kick your puppy or something?
 
2018-07-11 10:40:27 AM  
Its funny how quickly Elon Musk went from lauded hero to buffoonish ass here on Fark. Only other person i can think that had a Fark fall-from-grace as quick is Sarah Palin. Remember how there would be threads about some "hot" Ukrainian politician chick and everyone here would respond with "What about that hot Alaska governor? I'd eat a mile of her shiat just to see where it came from!" And then she got the VP nomination and suddenly everyone here was all "I can see Russia from my house! What a moran!"

Welcome to Fark, I guess. Home of the most fickle people ever.
 
2018-07-11 10:43:35 AM  

pkjun: bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.

You gotta hand it to him: with more resources available to him than most small countries and with a world of problems in desperate need of solutions, he ordered the best minds money can buy to build him something utterly useless, which was delivered too late to be of any use, and which may or may not have worked as intended.

Now, sure, someday someone might find something useful to do with the Aqua-Muskmobile. And if someone happens to find a way in which this latest attention stunt actually helps someone somewhere, great. The person who figures that out will have done humanity a favour by re-purposing a billionaire's toy into an actual tool. But Elon? He already got what he paid for.

See, with the magic of modern engineering technology, his crack team of engineers successfully managed to insert Elon Musk's name in a rapidly moving international news story, despite most scientific observers believing that Musk-insertion required a Musk-friendly informational environment such as rocketry, automobiles, or workers' rights. But only Musk -- latter-day Edison that he is -- would have had the foresight to realise this news story could be reverse-engineered into an engineering story, and then to use that story to drive an audacious PR story about the superiority of Musk's engineering.

Sucks that those selfish Thai divers had to go and steal Elon's credit by actually saving the kids though.


I for one wish he would stop trying to invent things and stop trying to use his resources to promote new ideas.

We would all be better off if he just used his wealth to buy sports franchises and flip real estate properties.
 
2018-07-11 10:48:30 AM  

pkjun: LesserEvil: The officials said it might be months before they could get anybody out. Elon Musk delivered a solution on the very eve of their rescue, which went from months to days - if they hadn't rushed the rescue operation, there is a very good chance Musk's team would have been involved and probably helped considerably. As for the device being useless? I doubt it... I'm sure there will be uses for it in the future.

So tell us, where did Elon touch you as a child, any way?

Musk cultists are weird. Interrupt their hymn-singing to point out that he did not actually do anything useful and they insinuate that the only reason a person wouldn't fall over themselves praising a celebrity-billionaire for his ineffective PR stunt must be a deep personal hatred for said celebrity-billionaire.

Like, no. He didn't help. He doesn't get the credit for helping. It's weird that he's got a chorus of fanboys insisting that he be given credit anyway. It's as simple as that.

I just don't get the Musklove. He's a rich guy who pays smart guys to figure out ways for poor guys to build stuff for other rich guys. The world has a lot of those. But as soon as one of them starts quoting Rick and Morty, all of a sudden we must open our hearts and praise his name for his works are mighty and beneficent.


Do you know a billionaire who has done more to push us forward scientifically? Paypal was neat, and useful. Most people would have stopped there and slept on their money mattress, but Musk seems to want to improve the world. SpaceX, Tesla, Hyperloop... all things that have great implications for our society.

Sure, you can criticize Tesla for their delays and slow production... but do you know other billionaires that have given away proprietary technology so competitors could make competing products?

Even in this he tried to help, if you see the emails (posted in another thread) the actual leader of the dive team asked him to keep working on the sub just in case, and he did. Did he get some publicity out of it? Maybe. At this point does he need publicity? No, not really. He's already a household name.
 
2018-07-11 10:50:11 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Its funny how quickly Elon Musk went from lauded hero to buffoonish ass here on Fark. Only other person i can think that had a Fark fall-from-grace as quick is Sarah Palin. Remember how there would be threads about some "hot" Ukrainian politician chick and everyone here would respond with "What about that hot Alaska governor? I'd eat a mile of her shiat just to see where it came from!" And then she got the VP nomination and suddenly everyone here was all "I can see Russia from my house! What a moran!"

Welcome to Fark, I guess. Home of the most fickle people ever.


It sounds like no one ever said she wasn't hot. They just said she was dumb. Dumb and hot is a thing, you know.

Do you think it's unreasonable to be against a dumb hot person becoming Vice POTUS?
 
2018-07-11 10:52:03 AM  
Yeah, it's an excellent tool for publicity whoring.  The kids were mostly out of the cave, and he's pushing press releases on the thing.  I'm Batman!
 
2018-07-11 10:56:35 AM  

pkjun: LesserEvil: The officials said it might be months before they could get anybody out. Elon Musk delivered a solution on the very eve of their rescue, which went from months to days - if they hadn't rushed the rescue operation, there is a very good chance Musk's team would have been involved and probably helped considerably. As for the device being useless? I doubt it... I'm sure there will be uses for it in the future.

So tell us, where did Elon touch you as a child, any way?

Musk cultists are weird. Interrupt their hymn-singing to point out that he did not actually do anything useful and they insinuate that the only reason a person wouldn't fall over themselves praising a celebrity-billionaire for his ineffective PR stunt must be a deep personal hatred for said celebrity-billionaire.

Like, no. He didn't help. He doesn't get the credit for helping. It's weird that he's got a chorus of fanboys insisting that he be given credit anyway. It's as simple as that.

I just don't get the Musklove. He's a rich guy who pays smart guys to figure out ways for poor guys to build stuff for other rich guys. The world has a lot of those. But as soon as one of them starts quoting Rick and Morty, all of a sudden we must open our hearts and praise his name for his works are mighty and beneficent.


I just don't get all the muskhate. The guy is trying to do some good in the world, and has accomplished... quite a lot, really. You want to know something else? People who attempt to do a lot of things, also fail at a lot of things... but people who attempt nothing succeed at nothing.

Feel free to crap on it all you want, but don't be surprised when people call you out on it. I'd rather spend a little effort defending a guy who is at least trying to make the world a better place, than be bitter and angry, and spending all my effort to take a big fat dump on that same guy because... reasons.
 
2018-07-11 11:01:22 AM  

Telos: Did Elon kick your puppy or something?


No. I have no strong feelings about Elon Musk. Genuinely? I just don't get it. Musk sells a handful of super-expensive toys to the rich and idle daydreams to everyone else, and he's got a weird circle of internet fanboys who treat him like he's an alien god come to save us from our sins, and who form an angry shieldwall around anyone who speaks poorly of him.

It just feels like a PT Barnum thing to me. He sells you the fantasy. He makes you believe the impossible. He dazzles and smiles and promises you won't believe your own eyes. You go home with your head in the stars. Then you wake up, go back to your normal life, and he packs up the tent and moves on to the next show.

But there have been a lot of people who have gotten rich selling Americans sizzle. And most of them don't get stanned across the Internet 24/7.
 
2018-07-11 11:10:33 AM  

Telos: Do you know a billionaire who has done more to push us forward scientifically? Paypal was neat, and useful. Most people would have stopped there and slept on their money mattress, but Musk seems to want to improve the world. SpaceX, Tesla, Hyperloop... all things that have great implications for our society.


The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funded significantly more useful research than Musk has ever dreamed of funding. But they try to actually research boring stuff like vaccines, medical technology, sanitation and hygiene infrastructure, and agricultural technology, because they want to do lame shiat like save lives and improve human welfare.

Whereas Elon? Elon's doing the stuff that matters. From building cool cars that go fast, to shooting cool cars into space, to shooting cool cars through tunnels, Elon pushes humanity towards a future of faster, shootier cars, and isn't that what really counts?

Look, man. I don't begrudge the dude for spending his money on the stuff he wants to spend his money on. Dude wants to build fast, shooty cars? Cool. More power to him. I admire him for pursuing what he finds valuable.

But it doesn't make him a philanthropist. It makes him a guy who loves fast shooty cars and has the resources to make faster and shootier cars than ever before.

Even in this he tried to help, if you see the emails (posted in another thread) the actual leader of the dive team asked him to keep working on the sub just in case, and he did. Did he get some publicity out of it? Maybe. At this point does he need publicity? No, not really. He's already a household name.

I posted the emails above as well. He was not corresponding with "the actual leader," because the actual leader was the person who told him thank you very much, but you cannot test your rush-job submarine on children, and we've got it from here, thanks.He was corresponding with a British diver who was part of the dive team but who was not in charge of the operation.

Also, of course he needs publicity. His entire business model requires constant publicity, because his entire business model right now is dependent on an endless stream of venture capital. Tesla Motors is his most profitable venture and it loses a billion and a half dollars every year.
 
2018-07-11 11:14:17 AM  
Meh.  Musk has done tons of good stuff.  This one didn't work out, but put it in a storage locker and it might be useful later.

Even if Tesla is a bust, they proved that electric cars work, and don't have to be ugly, and is leading to a paradigm shift across the industry. He also built INFRASTRUCTURE to support the damn things, which really didn't exist at all prior to Tesla.

And space x is furthering humanity, science, and defense more than any single company on the planet.

He might be a douche, who knows, and he frequently sets unattainable timelines and goals, but I don't think that makes anything a failure, especially if he does eventually deliver on them.
 
2018-07-11 11:40:41 AM  

Dick Gozinya: Its funny how quickly Elon Musk went from lauded hero to buffoonish ass here on Fark. Only other person i can think that had a Fark fall-from-grace as quick is Sarah Palin. Remember how there would be threads about some "hot" Ukrainian politician chick and everyone here would respond with "What about that hot Alaska governor? I'd eat a mile of her shiat just to see where it came from!" And then she got the VP nomination and suddenly everyone here was all "I can see Russia from my house! What a moran!"

Welcome to Fark, I guess. Home of the most fickle people ever.


I smarted, then funnied, then created an alt to call you an asshole in an unrelated thread.
 
2018-07-11 12:13:49 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Yeah, it's an excellent tool for publicity whoring.  The kids were mostly out of the cave, and he's pushing press releases on the thing.  I'm Batman!


That's a scandal! We'll call it Elon-gate!
 
2018-07-11 12:29:34 PM  

yeegrek: Ker_Thwap: Yeah, it's an excellent tool for publicity whoring.  The kids were mostly out of the cave, and he's pushing press releases on the thing.  I'm Batman!

That's a scandal! We'll call it Elon-gate!


Let's not extend this story more than we need to.
 
2018-07-11 12:31:19 PM  
"I have no strong feelings about Elon Musk."

/vomits a small novel across multiple posts
 
2018-07-11 12:32:37 PM  

pkjun: The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funded significantly more useful research than Musk has ever dreamed of funding. But they try to actually research boring stuff like vaccines, medical technology, sanitation and hygiene infrastructure, and agricultural technology, because they want to do lame shiat like save lives and improve human welfare.

Whereas Elon? Elon's doing the stuff that matters. From building cool cars that go fast, to shooting cool cars into space, to shooting cool cars through tunnels, Elon pushes humanity towards a future of faster, shootier cars, and isn't that what really counts?

Look, man. I don't begrudge the dude for spending his money on the stuff he wants to spend his money on. Dude wants to build fast, shooty cars? Cool. More power to him. I admire him for pursuing what he finds valuable.

But it doesn't make him a philanthropist. It makes him a guy who loves fast shooty cars and has the resources to make faster and shootier cars than ever before.


OK now, there's no question Bill Gates is doing a lot for humanity. Remember when he was actually a CEO though? When all he did was try to control the computing world and stifle innovation? Elon now is better than Gates was at the same point in their career.

But hey, as long as you're ignoring his push for electric cars that has dramatically changed the automobile market by making them viable then yeah, go ahead and call them "fast shooty cars." Because it doesn't come off as childish or disingenuous at all. Reducing our usage of fossil fuels does nothing to save lives or improve human welfare, right? Just like enabling space travel won't have any benefits, right?
 
2018-07-11 12:46:51 PM  

LesserEvil: pkjun: LesserEvil: The officials said it might be months before they could get anybody out. Elon Musk delivered a solution on the very eve of their rescue, which went from months to days - if they hadn't rushed the rescue operation, there is a very good chance Musk's team would have been involved and probably helped considerably. As for the device being useless? I doubt it... I'm sure there will be uses for it in the future.

So tell us, where did Elon touch you as a child, any way?

Musk cultists are weird. Interrupt their hymn-singing to point out that he did not actually do anything useful and they insinuate that the only reason a person wouldn't fall over themselves praising a celebrity-billionaire for his ineffective PR stunt must be a deep personal hatred for said celebrity-billionaire.

Like, no. He didn't help. He doesn't get the credit for helping. It's weird that he's got a chorus of fanboys insisting that he be given credit anyway. It's as simple as that.

I just don't get the Musklove. He's a rich guy who pays smart guys to figure out ways for poor guys to build stuff for other rich guys. The world has a lot of those. But as soon as one of them starts quoting Rick and Morty, all of a sudden we must open our hearts and praise his name for his works are mighty and beneficent.

I just don't get all the muskhate. The guy is trying to do some good in the world, and has accomplished... quite a lot, really. You want to know something else? People who attempt to do a lot of things, also fail at a lot of things... but people who attempt nothing succeed at nothing.

Feel free to crap on it all you want, but don't be surprised when people call you out on it. I'd rather spend a little effort defending a guy who is at least trying to make the world a better place, than be bitter and angry, and spending all my effort to take a big fat dump on that same guy because... reasons.


He's a pretty standard billionaire actually. The pay at Tesla is average garbage: https://www.glassdoor.com/Sa​lary/Tesla​-Salaries-E43129.htm
working conditions are terrible: http://www.businessinsider.​com/tesla-f​actory-workers-detail-grueling-conditi​ons-fremont-2017-5

He guts his companies to keep his stock inflated by firing his workforce (because it isn't profitable and will miss production deadlines): https://mobile.nytimes.co​m/2018/06/12/​business/tesla-staff-cuts.html

Yet, he's personally profited billions? Without a single profitable company.. Elon, like every other billionaire, made his choices. He is absolutely a sociopath, at an increasing degree, every day.

There was a hole in the market for electric, self-driving, future cars.  Wall Street is betting on him, he isn't doing anything spectacular. He CERTAINLY isn't doing it for the planet.
 
2018-07-11 12:52:26 PM  
Elon didn't save the cave kids, therfore he is a nazi!
 
2018-07-11 12:55:58 PM  

10up: Elon, like every other billionaire, made his choices. He is absolutely a sociopath, at an increasing degree, every day.


Most likely.  He probably also has type II bipolar disorder.  But at least he's a lot more entertaining than Steve Jobs and less dangerous than the Kochs, the Waltons, or anyone at Goldman Sachs.
 
2018-07-11 01:08:59 PM  
Why not use these tubes for flying in commercial jets? No more need for the tiny lavatory and can be made stackable to optimize every bit of space in the aircraft.
 
2018-07-11 01:25:02 PM  
Ignoring the Musk love and hate....

That cylinder would get people killed. It is too long and rigid to navigate the tight spots and twists found in that cave. If brought into the cave it would likely get stuck in one of those two tight underwater spots and become difficult to remove - dooming those deeper in the cave. If loaded with a kid it could face a similar snag on the way out, killing the passenger.
Obviously the simplest solution had the best shot, buddying the kids with experts and having the diver carry the kids air while following a pre-roped path.
 
2018-07-11 01:29:31 PM  

pkjun: bcroz: You've gotta hand it to the guy and his team.  They put something together in almost no time what so ever that could have worked and has future uses.   Someday a space ship is going to land and take him back to whatever planet he is from.

You gotta hand it to him: with more resources available to him than most small countries and with a world of problems in desperate need of solutions, he ordered the best minds money can buy to build him something utterly useless, which was delivered too late to be of any use, and which may or may not have worked as intended.

Now, sure, someday someone might find something useful to do with the Aqua-Muskmobile. And if someone happens to find a way in which this latest attention stunt actually helps someone somewhere, great. The person who figures that out will have done humanity a favour by re-purposing a billionaire's toy into an actual tool. But Elon? He already got what he paid for.

See, with the magic of modern engineering technology, his crack team of engineers successfully managed to insert Elon Musk's name in a rapidly moving international news story, despite most scientific observers believing that Musk-insertion required a Musk-friendly informational environment such as rocketry, automobiles, or workers' rights. But only Musk -- latter-day Edison that he is -- would have had the foresight to realise this news story could be reverse-engineered into an engineering story, and then to use that story to drive an audacious PR story about the superiority of Musk's engineering.

Sucks that those selfish Thai divers had to go and steal Elon's credit by actually saving the kids though.


and then he had the audacity to shiat all over the guy who was in charge of the rescue because they didn't use his stupid submarine.  He needs a mental health check.

also... did you see the "submarine"?  It looks like a single man sub (those exist) with oxygen tanks strapped to the outside.  Is it really an engineering marvel?
 
2018-07-11 01:43:42 PM  

10up: He's a pretty standard billionaire actually. The pay at Tesla is average garbage: https://www.glassdoor.com/Sal​ary/Tesla-Salaries-E43129.htm
working conditions are terrible: http://www.businessinsider.c​om/tesla-factory-workers-detail-grueli​ng-conditions-fremont-2017-5

He guts his companies to keep his stock inflated by firing his workforce (because it isn't profitable and will miss production deadlines): https://mobile.nytimes.com​/2018/06/12/business/tesla-staff-cuts.​html

Yet, he's personally profited billions? Without a single profitable company.. Elon, like every other billionaire, made his choices. He is absolutely a sociopath, at an increasing degree, every day.

There was a hole in the market for electric, self-driving, future cars.  Wall Street is betting on him, he isn't doing anything spectacular. He CERTAINLY isn't doing it for the planet.


Oh no, the pay is average!?! How dare he pay the prevailing wages of an industry!

I have heard work conditions are bad, although not compared to Amazon and I know people who have worked for Elon that liked working there so that's a bit of a mixed bag.

Guts his companies? He shrank the company by 9%, of salaried employees rather than the actual manufacturing workers. Trimming middle management isn't automatically bad, and I'm betting he's under tremendous pressure from investors to start getting profitable.

Now, can you explain releasing the battery patents for competitors to use in your "typical evil billionaire" characterization? Because I can't. Most billionaires would guard that shiat using sharks with fricken laser beams so they could corner the market. Releasing them almost makes it seem like he wants to see our society move towards renewable energy... kinda like he said in the article you linked.

Weird.
 
2018-07-11 01:50:08 PM  

pkjun: The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funded significantly more useful research than Musk has ever dreamed of funding


Well, that settles it. Only one organization can do good. Bill and Melinda Gates filled that spot, thus Elon Musk does not do good.

Q.E.D.!!!
 
2018-07-11 01:54:16 PM  

jaytkay: pkjun: The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funded significantly more useful research than Musk has ever dreamed of funding

Well, that settles it. Only one organization can do good. Bill and Melinda Gates filled that spot, thus Elon Musk does not do good.

Q.E.D.!!!


I was asked to name a billionaire who had done more for research. I did.

If you don't like the answer to the question, ask different questions.
 
2018-07-11 01:54:26 PM  

LL316: I don't think I will ever understand the Musk hate.


He built his 'empire' on government subsidies, not by being a profitable company.
He has not done anything innovative beyond paypal (became super wealthy with paypal, and still needed government welfare), yet fan bois and the media act as though he's some sort of tech messiah, like how they used to lick Steve Jobs anus. They both took existing technologies and popularized them, they didn't create anything.

Aaaaand, Hyperloop.
 
2018-07-11 02:11:51 PM  

jaytkay: Any mention of Elon Musk sure riles up the seething losers who've accomplished nothing with their lives.


Yeah.  They love that Musk guy.  I can't understand what kind of loser falls in love with a CEO.
 
2018-07-11 02:42:08 PM  

pkjun: Telos: Did Elon kick your puppy or something?

No. I have no strong feelings about Elon Musk. Genuinely? I just don't get it. Musk sells a handful of super-expensive toys to the rich and idle daydreams to everyone else, and he's got a weird circle of internet fanboys who treat him like he's an alien god come to save us from our sins, and who form an angry shieldwall around anyone who speaks poorly of him.

It just feels like a PT Barnum thing to me. He sells you the fantasy. He makes you believe the impossible. He dazzles and smiles and promises you won't believe your own eyes. You go home with your head in the stars. Then you wake up, go back to your normal life, and he packs up the tent and moves on to the next show.

But there have been a lot of people who have gotten rich selling Americans sizzle. And most of them don't get stanned across the Internet 24/7.


To your point, the fanboys CONTINUE TO SAY "why do you hate him" when your point has.continuously been "meh."

He fast-tracked a heavy underwater panic tube and people think he created the means to save these kids ala the 33 Chilean miners. You're not wrong, it  is bizarre.
 
2018-07-11 03:46:21 PM  
If I found out after the fact that he anonomously sent men and engineers and equipment and money to some remote locale to assist in a rescue I'd take my hat off. In the meantime, no, I'm not impressed that he spent the billionaire equivalent of pocket change to insert himself into the middle of the biggest news story of the moment. He's self serving and waaaaay too thin-skinned. One can, if one wants, do this kind of shiat without wailing about it incessantly on Twitter. There will be plenty of people trailed in caves and mines in the near future. Let's see if he wants to chip in without tooting his own horn about it.
 
2018-07-11 03:50:32 PM  

puffy999: pkjun: Telos: Did Elon kick your puppy or something?

No. I have no strong feelings about Elon Musk. Genuinely? I just don't get it. Musk sells a handful of super-expensive toys to the rich and idle daydreams to everyone else, and he's got a weird circle of internet fanboys who treat him like he's an alien god come to save us from our sins, and who form an angry shieldwall around anyone who speaks poorly of him.

It just feels like a PT Barnum thing to me. He sells you the fantasy. He makes you believe the impossible. He dazzles and smiles and promises you won't believe your own eyes. You go home with your head in the stars. Then you wake up, go back to your normal life, and he packs up the tent and moves on to the next show.

But there have been a lot of people who have gotten rich selling Americans sizzle. And most of them don't get stanned across the Internet 24/7.

To your point, the fanboys CONTINUE TO SAY "why do you hate him" when your point has.continuously been "meh."

He fast-tracked a heavy underwater panic tube and people think he created the means to save these kids ala the 33 Chilean miners. You're not wrong, it  is bizarre.


No, he claims he's "meh" then writes a three paragraph rant filled with obvious hatred.
 
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