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(BBC-US)   Oldest copy of Homer discovered. Quality of the drawing and the animation nowhere near as good as the regular series, but still funnier than any of the episodes aired after Conan quit as a writer   ( bbc.com) divider line
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2018-07-10 07:58:31 PM  
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2018-07-10 08:19:09 PM  
Screw you, subby. Season 6 (1994-95) is the perfect Simpsons season.
 
2018-07-10 08:22:47 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Screw you, subby. Season 6 (1994-95) is the perfect Simpsons season.


Seasons 4-8 are the golden seasons, with some episodes from S9, but not enough to count it in with the others.
 
2018-07-10 08:47:33 PM  
Simpson, Homer Simpson. He's the greatest guy in his tor reee.
 
2018-07-10 08:52:22 PM  
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First I read
 
2018-07-10 08:55:08 PM  
"It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.
 
2018-07-10 08:56:38 PM  

SwiftFox: [i.pinimg.com image 230x252]
First I read


Now I want doughnuts.
 
2018-07-10 08:57:47 PM  
Currently binge watching every season of The Simpsons on Plex, so I'm getting a very faint kick out of this thread.
 
2018-07-10 08:59:40 PM  

SonOfSpam: SwiftFox: [i.pinimg.com image 230x252]
First I read

Now I want doughnuts.


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2018-07-10 08:59:43 PM  
Copy of Homer:
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2018-07-10 09:00:39 PM  

SonOfSpam: "It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.

Found near the ruined Temple of Zeus in the ancient city of Olympia, the tablet has been dated to Roman times.

Clay tablet writing is 7,000 years old, so there might have been older written copies of Homer.
 
2018-07-10 09:01:05 PM  

SwiftFox: [i.pinimg.com image 230x252]
First I read


This is the cover that I thought of:

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(If you can't read it, the label on the pedestal reads "Homer", with "Price" handwritten underneath it.)
 
2018-07-10 09:02:20 PM  

farker down under: Simpson, Homer Simpson. He's the greatest guy in his tor reee.


From the, town of Spring field,
 
2018-07-10 09:07:56 PM  
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2018-07-10 09:13:23 PM  
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2018-07-10 09:13:43 PM  
No it isn't, this is the oldest copy found IN GREECE. (maybe). .
 
2018-07-10 09:14:16 PM  
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2018-07-10 09:14:47 PM  
Turkey takes it by force and reduces it to dust....
 
2018-07-10 09:18:24 PM  

RJReves: [i.redd.it image 850x807]


Now with animated goodness
The Simpsons Tracey Ullman Compilation 1
Youtube WOG1d-wyQAQ
 
2018-07-10 09:23:55 PM  

RJReves: RJReves: [i.redd.it image 850x807]

Now with animated goodness[YouTube video: The Simpsons Tracey Ullman Compilation 1]


I dont know if Id call that goodness.
 
2018-07-10 09:25:16 PM  

Dedmon: farker down under: Simpson, Homer Simpson. He's the greatest guy in his tor reee.

From the, town of Spring field,


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"WILLLLLMAAAAA!!!"
 
2018-07-10 09:26:22 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: RJReves: RJReves: [i.redd.it image 850x807]

Now with animated goodness[YouTube video: The Simpsons Tracey Ullman Compilation 1]

I dont know if Id call that goodness.


Now with animated...
 
2018-07-10 09:32:42 PM  
It's hard for anything to look good on NTSC.
 
2018-07-10 09:34:17 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Copy of Homer:
[static3.srcdn.com image 720x368]


Copy of a copy of Homer
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2018-07-10 09:43:57 PM  
Mine's older...well you must admit - it looks a lot like him, but the comic itself would be more suited to Ned Flanders.
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2018-07-10 09:46:25 PM  
Wasn't Eumaeus the swineherd in Ithaca who kept Odysseus's dog Argos for him?


/off to Google.
 
2018-07-10 09:46:58 PM  

WordsnCollision: Dedmon: farker down under: Simpson, Homer Simpson. He's the greatest guy in his tor reee.

From the, town of Spring field,

[img.fark.net image 466x319]

"WILLLLLMAAAAA!!!"


Seasons 5 and 6 were probably the best years of our lives.
 
2018-07-10 09:52:14 PM  

WelldeadLink: SonOfSpam: "It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.

Found near the ruined Temple of Zeus in the ancient city of Olympia, the tablet has been dated to Roman times.
Clay tablet writing is 7,000 years old, so there might have been older written copies of Homer.


Greek writing predates Homer so sure.  Still, if 7,000 years is the limit, it'd be pretty amazing if there was a written account of the Trojan war 3,800 years before it actually happened.
 
2018-07-10 09:52:38 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Wasn't Eumaeus the swineherd in Ithaca who kept Odysseus's dog Argos for him?


/off to Google.


Falco - Rock Me Amadeus
Youtube cVikZ8Oe_XA
 
2018-07-10 09:55:53 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Wasn't Eumaeus the swineherd in Ithaca who kept Odysseus's dog Argos for him?


/off to Google.


Oooh I found the gem that inspired the infamous Futurama episode with Fry's dog.  Eumaeus wasn't holding old Argos....this is what happened to Odysseus's dog

As they were speaking, a dog that had been lying asleep raised his head and pricked up his ears. This was Argos, whom Odysseus had bred before setting out for Troy, but he had never had any enjoyment from him. In the old days he used to be taken out by the young men when they went hunting wild goats, or deer, or hares, but now that his master was gone he was lying neglected on the heaps of mule and cow dung that lay in front of the stable doors till the men should come and draw it away to manure the great close; and he was full of fleas. As soon as he saw Odysseus standing there, he dropped his ears and wagged his tail, but he could not get close up to his master. When Odysseus saw the dog on the other side of the yard, dashed a tear from his eyes without Eumaios seeing it, and said:
'Eumaios, what a noble hound is that is over yonder on the manure heap: his build is splendid; is he as fine a fellow as he looks, or is he only one of those dogs that come begging about a table, and are kept merely for show?'
'This dog,' answered Eumaios, 'belonged to him who has died in a far country. If he were what he was when Odysseus left for Troy, he would soon show you what he could do. There was not a wild beast in the forest that could get away from him when he was once on its tracks. But now he has fallen on evil times, for his master is dead and gone, and the women take no care of him. Servants never do their work when their master's hand is no longer over them, for Zeus takes half the goodness out of a man when he makes a slave of him.'
So saying he entered the well-built mansion, and made straight for the riotous pretenders in the hall. But Argos passed into the darkness of death, now that he had fulfilled his destiny of faith and seen his master once more after twenty years.

-Homer, Odyssey, Book 17, lines 290-327

/Who's a good boy?
//Argos!
///a better dog than mine, for sure
 
2018-07-10 10:07:01 PM  

SonOfSpam: "It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.


Why do people assume oral traditions are so flawed? Is that surprising that people who literally nothing to do once the sun went down got good at rote memorization?

It's not that difficult to find Muslims which have memorized all of the Quran.
 
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2018-07-10 10:17:33 PM  
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2018-07-10 10:22:20 PM  

DanInKansas: SonOfSpam: "It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.

Why do people assume oral traditions are so flawed? Is that surprising that people who literally nothing to do once the sun went down got good at rote memorization?

It's not that difficult to find Muslims which have memorized all of the Quran.


Also, textual criticism is a thing. (That's where you compare different manuscripts to identify errors, editing, or changes outright.)

I really wish people knew something about historians and theologians before shiatting on them.
 
2018-07-10 10:27:44 PM  

RJReves: RJReves: [i.redd.it image 850x807]

Now with animated goodness


It's hard to believe the Simpsons has been on the air since 1987.
 
2018-07-10 10:33:56 PM  

Dedmon: farker down under: Simpson, Homer Simpson. He's the greatest guy in his tor reee.

From the, town of Spring field,


He's about to hit a chestnut tree...
tree...Ahhhhhhh!
 
2018-07-10 10:37:31 PM  

WelldeadLink: Clay tablet writing is 7,000 years old, so there might have been older written copies of Homer.


Indeed, very possibly there were, maybe even contemporary to Homer himself. We know that the Epic of Gilgamesh, which predates Homer by a millennium, was so commonly written in clay that it was a standard writing practice exercise for schoolboys, so it wouldn't be surprising to find Homer in Mycenean Linear B one day.

On the other hand, the examples we know of Linear B and what we infer of undeciphered Linear A suggest that it was used only for mundane administrative purposes. So it's possible that it just never occurred to the Myceneans to write down stories and poems.

And then the eastern Mediterranean suffered the collapse of Mycenaean civilization followed by a couple of centuries of an illiterate dark before the emergence of Hellenistic culture. So it's pretty damn remarkable that the poetry of Homer survived as oral tradition across that period.
 
2018-07-10 10:53:53 PM  

SwiftFox: [i.pinimg.com image 230x252]
First I read


My kids are now adults and have long outgrown the books we used to read to them when they were young.  Over the years the Mrs and I have gone through our library and donated various kids books to the local elementary school & what not.  The one book, however, that I refuse to let go of is this one.  The doughnut machine, the giant ball of twine, those stories are ageless.
 
2018-07-10 11:06:54 PM  

czetie: so it wouldn't be surprising to find Homer in Mycenean Linear B one day.


Considering that all scholars date the Homeric corpus after the Bronze Age Collapse and hence after Linear B disappeared, that would be very unlikely.
 
2018-07-10 11:10:34 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: WelldeadLink: SonOfSpam: "It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.

Found near the ruined Temple of Zeus in the ancient city of Olympia, the tablet has been dated to Roman times.
Clay tablet writing is 7,000 years old, so there might have been older written copies of Homer.

Greek writing predates Homer so sure.  Still, if 7,000 years is the limit, it'd be pretty amazing if there was a written account of the Trojan war 3,800 years before it actually happened.


Just look for tablets written in wibbily wobbly script.
 
2018-07-10 11:24:20 PM  

Pieru: Dedmon: farker down under: Simpson, Homer Simpson. He's the greatest guy in his tor reee.

From the, town of Spring field,

He's about to hit a chestnut tree...
tree...Ahhhhhhh!



Had to keep scrolling to here for closure, then back up to finish the rest of the thread.
 
2018-07-10 11:30:29 PM  

knight_on_the_rail: WelldeadLink: SonOfSpam: "It would have been handed down in an oral tradition for hundreds of years before the tablet was inscribed."

Much like the Bible, or "the infallible word of God." No way any of it ever got misrepeated or incorrectly transcribed.

Found near the ruined Temple of Zeus in the ancient city of Olympia, the tablet has been dated to Roman times.
Clay tablet writing is 7,000 years old, so there might have been older written copies of Homer.

Greek writing predates Homer so sure.  Still, if 7,000 years is the limit, it'd be pretty amazing if there was a written account of the Trojan war 3,800 years before it actually happened.


Archaeologists actually found a historical reenactment that went terribly wrong; the real battle was much older...
 
2018-07-11 12:07:17 AM  
It was so old Tracey Ullman was still not when it was made.
 
2018-07-11 12:24:43 AM  
was Homer's recipe of all ready pie crust, Tom Collins Mix, and cloves included?
 
2018-07-11 12:30:07 AM  
Sounds gay to me.
 
2018-07-11 12:40:50 AM  
I heard the Odyssey wasn't written by Homer, but by another guy with the same name
 
2018-07-11 12:50:40 AM  
It was written by his twin brother Hummer---why else would you make up such a crazy story to convince your wife why you were gone so long---they try to explain the glitter/ B.O./ vanilla/ sweaty sex smell.
 
2018-07-11 01:44:41 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Bonzo_1116: Wasn't Eumaeus the swineherd in Ithaca who kept Odysseus's dog Argos for him?


/off to Google.

Oooh I found the gem that inspired the infamous Futurama episode with Fry's dog.  Eumaeus wasn't holding old Argos....this is what happened to Odysseus's dog

As they were speaking, a dog that had been lying asleep raised his head and pricked up his ears. This was Argos, whom Odysseus had bred before setting out for Troy, but he had never had any enjoyment from him. In the old days he used to be taken out by the young men when they went hunting wild goats, or deer, or hares, but now that his master was gone he was lying neglected on the heaps of mule and cow dung that lay in front of the stable doors till the men should come and draw it away to manure the great close; and he was full of fleas. As soon as he saw Odysseus standing there, he dropped his ears and wagged his tail, but he could not get close up to his master. When Odysseus saw the dog on the other side of the yard, dashed a tear from his eyes without Eumaios seeing it, and said:
'Eumaios, what a noble hound is that is over yonder on the manure heap: his build is splendid; is he as fine a fellow as he looks, or is he only one of those dogs that come begging about a table, and are kept merely for show?'
'This dog,' answered Eumaios, 'belonged to him who has died in a far country. If he were what he was when Odysseus left for Troy, he would soon show you what he could do. There was not a wild beast in the forest that could get away from him when he was once on its tracks. But now he has fallen on evil times, for his master is dead and gone, and the women take no care of him. Servants never do their work when their master's hand is no longer over them, for Zeus takes half the goodness out of a man when he makes a slave of him.'
So saying he entered the well-built mansion, and made straight for the riotous pretenders in the hall. But Argos passed into the darkness of death, now that he had fulfilled his destiny of faith and seen his master once more after twenty years.
-Homer, Odyssey, Book 17, lines 290-327

/Who's a good boy?
//Argos!
///a better dog than mine, for sure


It shows how mankind and dog have had a special, unique emotional bond for ages.

We've probably been who's a good boying since before recorded history.
 
2018-07-11 02:33:58 AM  

The Soupman Cumeth: Bonzo_1116: Bonzo_1116: Wasn't Eumaeus the swineherd in Ithaca who kept Odysseus's dog Argos for him?


/off to Google.

Oooh I found the gem that inspired the infamous Futurama episode with Fry's dog.  Eumaeus wasn't holding old Argos....this is what happened to Odysseus's dog

As they were speaking, a dog that had been lying asleep raised his head and pricked up his ears. This was Argos, whom Odysseus had bred before setting out for Troy, but he had never had any enjoyment from him. In the old days he used to be taken out by the young men when they went hunting wild goats, or deer, or hares, but now that his master was gone he was lying neglected on the heaps of mule and cow dung that lay in front of the stable doors till the men should come and draw it away to manure the great close; and he was full of fleas. As soon as he saw Odysseus standing there, he dropped his ears and wagged his tail, but he could not get close up to his master. When Odysseus saw the dog on the other side of the yard, dashed a tear from his eyes without Eumaios seeing it, and said:
'Eumaios, what a noble hound is that is over yonder on the manure heap: his build is splendid; is he as fine a fellow as he looks, or is he only one of those dogs that come begging about a table, and are kept merely for show?'
'This dog,' answered Eumaios, 'belonged to him who has died in a far country. If he were what he was when Odysseus left for Troy, he would soon show you what he could do. There was not a wild beast in the forest that could get away from him when he was once on its tracks. But now he has fallen on evil times, for his master is dead and gone, and the women take no care of him. Servants never do their work when their master's hand is no longer over them, for Zeus takes half the goodness out of a man when he makes a slave of him.'
So saying he entered the well-built mansion, and made straight for the riotous pretenders in the hall. But Argos passed into the darkness of death, now that he had fulfilled his destiny of faith and seen his master once more after twenty years.
-Homer, Odyssey, Book 17, lines 290-327

/Who's a good boy?
//Argos!
///a better dog than mine, for sure

It shows how mankind and dog have had a special, unique emotional bond for ages.

We've probably been who's a good boying since before recorded history.


We have. There's a grave of a Neanderthal boy who was buried with his puppy.
 
2018-07-11 10:36:34 AM  
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2018-07-11 11:02:41 AM  
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