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(The Hill)   In what certainly has NOTHING to do with the $30,000 per car price increase on their vehicles caused by retaliatory Chinese tariffs, Tesla announces plans to open a massive factory in China capable of cranking out 500,000 vehicles a year   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2018-07-10 10:29:30 AM  
I bet Trump will now figure out that Musk wasn't born in America and try to deport him
 
2018-07-10 10:30:29 AM  
Has Tesla ever made a half million cars a year?
 
2018-07-10 10:30:36 AM  
Have they ever made 5000 vehicles a year?
 
2018-07-10 10:31:13 AM  
The government of Shanghai said the factory will have a planned capacity of 500,000 vehicles per year, rivaling the company's production capacity at its lone U.S. factory, in Fremont, Calif.

Well, that one only makes a bout a dozen cars a year, so it's a low bar.
 
2018-07-10 10:33:32 AM  
Say, this trade war is quickly turning into quite the Chinese fire drill.
 
2018-07-10 10:34:44 AM  
I doubt Tesla makes more than 5 cars a year as it is.

/amidointhisrite
 
2018-07-10 10:36:26 AM  
China says they're going total electric vehicles by 2025, and Musk is going to cash in on this. I can't tell you the number of Tesla, of all makes, I saw in HK just a couple months back.
 
2018-07-10 10:39:54 AM  
China is going to be the new car manufacturing capital of the world, all thanks to the tireless efforts of Donald J. Trump.
 
2018-07-10 10:44:10 AM  
Tesla makes cars?
 
2018-07-10 10:44:32 AM  

simplicimus: Has Tesla ever made a half million cars a year?


Tesla is worth far more than all the tea in China, which is valued around $12 billion.
 
2018-07-10 10:51:00 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: China is going to be the new car manufacturing capital of the world, all thanks to the tireless efforts of Donald J. Trump.


You just might be onto something.
 
2018-07-10 10:55:29 AM  

crustysandman: China says they're going total electric vehicles by 2025


I don't think there's enough industrial capacity in the world to produce enough electric vehicles to replace ever car in China by 2025
 
2018-07-10 10:55:49 AM  
Since it's Tesla, I assume you meant 500,000 vehicles in the life time of the factory, or about 20 a year, right Subby?
 
2018-07-10 10:56:23 AM  
I wonder how this will affect Space-X's ability to land military contracts for the Space Force.
 
2018-07-10 11:02:31 AM  
Why are they even attempting to make 500,000 cars a year in China when Uber's flying taxi service will render all cars obsolete by 2020?
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2018-07-10 11:04:14 AM  
They are currently producing 5,000 vehicles per week, or 260,000 per year, so 500k/yr is a big, but far from impossible step. Given that the Chinese government is already banning gas/diesel vehicles in some areas with plans to ban them nationwide, it seems that Elon is planning ahead

To think all those vehicles could have been made in America if it wasn't for trump. So much winning...
 
2018-07-10 11:06:01 AM  
Most major automakers assembles or manufacture their autos in China for domestic market, so I don't want to interrupt the usual Trump hate fest, I mean I hate the guy too, but Tesla was going to build a plant there anyways at some point.
 
2018-07-10 11:06:53 AM  
Of course, the tariff on American cars imported into China was already 25%, so kicking it up to 40% isn't as shocking as you'd think.

On the other hand, the US car import tariff was 2.5%.

We've been in a trade war with China for decades, it's just that people are actually starting to notice.

(Europe, too - they're at 10%, plus other taxes per country.)
 
2018-07-10 11:10:44 AM  

Xai: They are currently producing 5,000 vehicles per week, or 260,000 per year, so 500k/yr is a big, but far from impossible step. Given that the Chinese government is already banning gas/diesel vehicles in some areas with plans to ban them nationwide, it seems that Elon is planning ahead

To think all those vehicles could have been made in America if it wasn't for trump. So much winning...


That is only Model 3 production.

Tesla still makes the S & X, about ~7,000 total cars per week
 
2018-07-10 11:12:20 AM  

HempHead: Xai: They are currently producing 5,000 vehicles per week, or 260,000 per year, so 500k/yr is a big, but far from impossible step. Given that the Chinese government is already banning gas/diesel vehicles in some areas with plans to ban them nationwide, it seems that Elon is planning ahead

To think all those vehicles could have been made in America if it wasn't for trump. So much winning...

That is only Model 3 production.

Tesla still makes the S & X, about ~7,000 total cars per week


And I swear, most of those are driven around the L.A. area.   It has to be one of the more popular names I see out here now, surpassing Chevy.
 
2018-07-10 11:13:51 AM  

cirby: We've been in a trade war with China for decades, it's just that people are actually starting to notice.


China was a closed market in 1949.  We've been breaking down their trade barriers ever since.  That's the real trade war - getting everyone to go along to get along.  It's been one hell of a struggle, too, with the worst part being the Chinese insistence of appropriating offshore technology as the price of admission.

Fast forward to today where we're in a world where China is the world's #1 exporter, and we decide now is a good time to go pissing in everyone's corn flakes?  We even spiked the TPP for good measure.
 
2018-07-10 11:17:16 AM  

raerae1980: And I swear, most of those are driven around the L.A. area.   It has to be one of the more popular names I see out here now, surpassing Chevy.


I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days.
 
2018-07-10 11:17:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: cirby: We've been in a trade war with China for decades, it's just that people are actually starting to notice.

China was a closed market in 1949.  We've been breaking down their trade barriers ever since.  That's the real trade war - getting everyone to go along to get along.  It's been one hell of a struggle, too, with the worst part being the Chinese insistence of appropriating offshore technology as the price of admission.

Fast forward to today where we're in a world where China is the world's #1 exporter, and we decide now is a good time to go pissing in everyone's corn flakes?  We even spiked the TPP for good measure.


You should read up on The Opium Wars.
 
2018-07-10 11:18:29 AM  

cirby: Europe, too - they're at 10%, plus other taxes per country


At the WTO it has been pointed out, rightly, that US companies enjoy plenty of government subsidies.
 
2018-07-10 11:19:14 AM  

FlashHarry: I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days


Hell, Hubby and I were considering buying a new Tesla, but we ended up buying a used vehicle instead.  Still, though, they look sweet as f*ck.   Maybe in a few more years....
 
2018-07-10 11:20:01 AM  

HempHead: You should read up on The Opium Wars.


I've read 3 books on the opium wars.

Also a good read: 400 Million Customers.
 
2018-07-10 11:21:21 AM  
Announced on the same day that Tesla closes a bunch of solar installation centres and ends its partnership with Home Depot for home solar and battery systems.

Gotta bury the bad news with stories about plans for the future.
 
2018-07-10 11:21:28 AM  
My friend in Reno just closed on his house this week. I told him, "Dude, the bubble always bursts. Wait."

Nope. Almost $700,000 and he's 25 minutes north out of town now.

He's house poor and the Gigafactory is going to be laying people off.
 
2018-07-10 11:22:16 AM  
Tesla has been planning a factory in China and one in Europe for years. Takes time and negotiations. Not like slapping software on the Internet overnight.
 
2018-07-10 11:24:22 AM  

Prey4reign: Say, this trade war is quickly turning into quite the Chinese fire drill.


BMW, who shockingly is the US ' largest auto Exporter, made nearly an identical announcement that they'll be shifting production of 520,000 cars from the SC plant to one in Shanghai
 
2018-07-10 11:37:32 AM  
It's true, Trump is creating thousands and thousands of new jobs. Too bad some aren't here in Murica.
 
2018-07-10 11:42:58 AM  

raerae1980: Still, though, they look sweet as f*ck.   Maybe in a few more years....


I honestly think my next car will be a Tesla.
 
2018-07-10 11:55:32 AM  

Xai: They are currently producing 5,000 vehicles per week, or 260,000 per year, so 500k/yr is a big, but far from impossible step. Given that the Chinese government is already banning gas/diesel vehicles in some areas with plans to ban them nationwide, it seems that Elon is planning ahead

To think all those vehicles could have been made in America if it wasn't for trump. So much winning...


That's only model 3. They are making the number of S/X
 
2018-07-10 11:56:32 AM  
Self driving.
 
2018-07-10 11:57:35 AM  

raerae1980: FlashHarry: I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days

Hell, Hubby and I were considering buying a new Tesla, but we ended up buying a used vehicle instead.  Still, though, they look sweet as f*ck.   Maybe in a few more years....


If I could go out and buy a Model 3 today, I probably would.

But I'm not waiting a year for my car.
 
2018-07-10 11:59:31 AM  

BalugaJoe: Self driving.


I finally get it! You're posting Ben Garrison cartoon captions!
 
2018-07-10 11:59:37 AM  
It is fun to watch, though, isn't it?

"I'MMA KEEP JOBS HERE WITH TARIFFS!", he bellows as companies simply open factories elsewhere to avoid both the results his stupid tariffs here at home and the retaliatory tariffs issued abroad. He's taken the single least productive action he could've, short of actually firing nukes at folks who make fun of him, and he's still crowing about it like he's accomplished something.

"YER ALL TRAITORS!", he screams, as companies keep shipping jobs & capacity to the countries that are actually doing business with them.

"I'MMA MAKE YOU PAY!", he blusters, as companies simply re-route around him like he's a dead router crammed into their business network.

He's a farking moron.
 
2018-07-10 12:09:36 PM  
I see like 5-6 3's a day here now in the Seattle area

Probably 1 out of every 30 cars is an S or X
 
2018-07-10 12:10:10 PM  

OkieDookie: Since it's Tesla, I assume you meant 500,000 vehicles in the life time of the factory, or about 20 a year, right Subby?


You're expecting the factory to be around and productive for 25,000 years?  I admire your optimism.
 
2018-07-10 12:14:41 PM  
Yeah, pretty stupid to concentrate your resources on what will be the largest economy in the world.
 
2018-07-10 12:15:55 PM  
 They've been looking to build in China for a few years now.
 
2018-07-10 12:42:57 PM  

foo monkey: I wonder how this will affect Space-X's ability to land military contracts for the Space Force.


The other real option is Jeff Bezos.  Sure, the idea is to have ULA (Boeing & Lockheed, essentially the official launcher of the Military Industrial Complex) gold plate everything, but expect to include every little advance in the contract or it ain't happening.  Musk is driving the future of space and only Bezos (another billion?  No problem) can catch him.

/Now we know the whole point of Telsa's "tent factories".
//he'll have them up and running before the tariffs hit
///at least for Tesla S production.  And avoiding those tariffs will be worth it.
/[bonus slashie] I'm sure the notion for a "Space Force" came from Russia.  Between having to ask the Russians nicely to put our astronauts in space and exactly who would profit from such pork, even Trump would have trouble taking such dead aim on his foot.
 
2018-07-10 12:54:42 PM  

Gubbo: raerae1980: FlashHarry: I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days

Hell, Hubby and I were considering buying a new Tesla, but we ended up buying a used vehicle instead.  Still, though, they look sweet as f*ck.   Maybe in a few more years....

If I could go out and buy a Model 3 today, I probably would.

But I'm not waiting a year for my car.


My good friend just finally got his and I got to ride in it and drive it for a bit.

I went from being thouroghly hyped to mildly disappointed.

The entire interface is mildly irritating. Like the touchscreen dashboard controlling literally everything. You had to select through sub menus in order to open the glovebox.

I know I sound like my dad but I much prefer cars with physical manual controls that give resistive feedback.

It feels like driving a phone app. It's shiny and cool and has a great font but the usability comes second st the expense of looking good.

I know it would drive me crazy with how unconventional the whole interior is. I expected an late 00s Apple like intuitive interface but this thing is just different for sake of impressing you.

I was impressed with its performance. Electric motors are the future. Took some getting used to the regenerative braking. I heard you can tweak that.
 
2018-07-10 01:15:13 PM  

Esc7: Gubbo: raerae1980: FlashHarry: I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days

Hell, Hubby and I were considering buying a new Tesla, but we ended up buying a used vehicle instead.  Still, though, they look sweet as f*ck.   Maybe in a few more years....

If I could go out and buy a Model 3 today, I probably would.

But I'm not waiting a year for my car.

My good friend just finally got his and I got to ride in it and drive it for a bit.

I went from being thouroghly hyped to mildly disappointed.

The entire interface is mildly irritating. Like the touchscreen dashboard controlling literally everything. You had to select through sub menus in order to open the glovebox.

I know I sound like my dad but I much prefer cars with physical manual controls that give resistive feedback.

It feels like driving a phone app. It's shiny and cool and has a great font but the usability comes second st the expense of looking good.

I know it would drive me crazy with how unconventional the whole interior is. I expected an late 00s Apple like intuitive interface but this thing is just different for sake of impressing you.

I was impressed with its performance. Electric motors are the future. Took some getting used to the regenerative braking. I heard you can tweak that.


I can live with the interface. Once I get the air conditioning set up and the stations/Bluetooth on and the mirrors right, I'm probably good.

My current car does have these huge chunky buttons that I love though. Cause when you hit them, you know you've hit them.
 
2018-07-10 01:21:22 PM  

Esc7: I went from being thouroghly hyped to mildly disappointed.

The entire interface is mildly irritating. Like the touchscreen dashboard controlling literally everything. You had to select through sub menus in order to open the glovebox.

I know I sound like my dad but I much prefer cars with physical manual controls that give resistive feedback.

It feels like driving a phone app. It's shiny and cool and has a great font but the usability comes second st the expense of looking good.

I know it would drive me crazy with how unconventional the whole interior is. I expected an late 00s Apple like intuitive interface but this thing is just different for sake of impressing you.

I was impressed with its performance. Electric motors are the future. Took some getting used to the regenerative braking. I heard you can tweak that.


I can't wait to be rear ended by a Tesla driver trying to open the cupholders using the touchscreen.  

I rented a Cadillac ATS and it was disturbing how long I had to take my eyes off the road just to change the bloody radio station.  

Complete bullshiat.

/Millennial, for the record
 
2018-07-10 01:26:28 PM  

Meatsim1: crustysandman: China says they're going total electric vehicles by 2025

I don't think there's enough industrial capacity in the world to produce enough electric vehicles to replace ever car in China by 2025


I think he means all NEW cars sold there will be lectric by 2025
 
2018-07-10 01:27:21 PM  

raerae1980: FlashHarry: I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days

Hell, Hubby and I were considering buying a new Tesla, but we ended up buying a used vehicle instead.  Still, though, they look sweet as f*ck.   Maybe in a few more years....


Well if you reserve on now it should be ready by then! ;)

/kidding
//a little
///finally got to order mine last week!
 
2018-07-10 01:29:15 PM  

Prey4reign: Say, this trade war is quickly turning into quite the Chinese fire drill.


The thing is America can't just throw its weight around against 2 billion people who can't be intimidated into doing anything.

It would be a comedy if this were a movie.  Being this is my nations largest trading partner, its kind of sad.

But nothing a trade deal with mainland Europe can't fix.  That way we can finally actually make a profit from the oil you guys just kind of buy and sell back to us at a huge markup.

Really Americans can eat it and come back to the table when they're ready to talk like adults.  Enough of this do what they say, that dosen't work in world trade agreements.  Its probably more worth it for Canada to sell its west coast resources to the pacific nations and use Quebec as a port to Europe.

I'll take German manufacturing over American any day.
 
2018-07-10 01:30:15 PM  

FlashHarry: raerae1980: And I swear, most of those are driven around the L.A. area.   It has to be one of the more popular names I see out here now, surpassing Chevy.

I see a ton of them around Omaha. Mostly Model S. I see almost as many Teslas as Mercedes S-Class these days.


Well, model S sells in higher numbers than S class, so that'd be expected
 
2018-07-10 01:52:35 PM  

Officer Barrelroll: I bet Trump will now figure out that Musk wasn't born in America and try to deport him


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