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(SFGate)   Subway tries to turn business around with fresher food, fewer stores, less pedophilia   ( sfgate.com) divider line
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2018-07-10 09:07:19 AM  
Fewer stores. I live a a podunk, one Starbucks town, and there are 3 Subway's.
 
2018-07-10 09:09:46 AM  
How about more "meat" ya cheap SOB's.
 
2018-07-10 10:07:59 AM  
How about less suckage, that would help.

And stop trying to pass off cheese triangles as an actual topping.
 
2018-07-10 10:17:59 AM  
You'll take my chicken bacon ranch foot long when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
 
2018-07-10 10:39:21 AM  
Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.
 
2018-07-10 11:09:41 AM  
Live near philly and the 2 or 3 that I knew of went out of business within the last 2 months. Probably for the best since you can get better subs from a local place.
 
2018-07-10 11:15:11 AM  
Subway is dull.  It's where I eat when there aren't better options.  The small town where I work has a Subway and a feed store next to each other and it feels like a toss-up.
 
2018-07-10 11:16:46 AM  

eagles95: Live near philly and the 2 or 3 that I knew of went out of business within the last 2 months. Probably for the best since you can get better subs from a local place.


Yep. Subway does well in places where you have really limited options. An independent sub place has to be truly awful in order to fail against them.
 
2018-07-10 11:18:10 AM  
Joey, do you like footlongs in your mouth?
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2018-07-10 11:21:18 AM  

bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.


They went to a noticeable cheaper 'meat' at least 15 years ago.
 
2018-07-10 11:21:34 AM  
There was nothing about improving the quality of their food in that article. To bad. If they did that, I might eat there. There's a Subway literally across the street from my office. I've been there twice in six years.
 
2018-07-10 11:32:40 AM  
There's a Jimmy John's across the street from the Subway, and they make better sammiches that are actually slightly cheaper.  I mean, there is the fact that the real Jimmy John is a creepy trophy hunter (I know that phrase is redundant), but, ya know, that Italian Night Club is pretty good.
 
2018-07-10 11:35:11 AM  
I miss the "V" cut.

I don't get the complaints about food quality. It's meat cheese and veggies with some sauce. It's pretty darn healthy.

But head on over somewhere else and get yourself a giant taco salad instead. Lots of tasty salt and plenty of calories.
 
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2018-07-10 11:40:34 AM  
Honestly for me the issue is the bread  They bake it too far in advance and I understand its too ensure they don't run out, but I'd prefer at least the choice of a freshly baked loaf
 
2018-07-10 11:53:50 AM  
So, here's the thing:
1. Your meat is bargain-basement pressed critter scrapings.
2. Your vegetables are treated with anti-browning agents.
3. Your bread is meant to maximize profit, not quality or taste.
4. Your staff happily tampers with all of that, on a regular basis, at far too many stores.

Until you fix those points, no one gives a shiat about anything else. You're getting creamed by your competitors because, frankly, your food quality, value, and handling all suck. No amount of geographic redistribution is going to fix your goddamned soaking-wet ham & turkey.
 
2018-07-10 12:04:41 PM  

Xai: Honestly for me the issue is the bread  They bake it too far in advance and I understand its too ensure they don't run out, but I'd prefer at least the choice of a freshly baked loaf


Same complaint here.  The bread is often stale if you show up outside of the lunch rush.  Even when fresh, it is usually subpar to other chains and outright cardboard compared to the local independent shops.
 
2018-07-10 12:09:17 PM  

bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.


That's the thing.  They used to be the only real competition against burger joints (It was burgers, taco bell or subway).

Instead of changing their focus and realizing they need to compete against Jimmy Johns, Jersey Mike's, Firehouse Sub's and all the millions of local places, they just keep going at it like they are competing against McDonalds, Wendy's, Burger King and Taco Bell when that isn't the case.
 
2018-07-10 12:15:15 PM  

Prey4reign: You'll take my chicken bacon ranch foot long when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.


So, we'll be able to take the sandwich on Tuesday then?
 
2018-07-10 12:15:21 PM  
Subway is dog food.
 
2018-07-10 12:18:21 PM  
I love how chain stores act like upgrading the user experience will get more folks in the door versus revamping their menu and serving better quality food. If you serve garbage sandwiches I'm not going to eat your food regardless of whether or not there's a phone charging station at my table
 
2018-07-10 12:18:31 PM  
Dammit...been fighting a Firehouse Subs craving for weeks. Now I'm giving in. I also miss Quiznos when it was good.
 
2018-07-10 12:33:03 PM  
Atleast in the state I'm in, Subway has followed the McDonalds model - convenience, frequency and cheapness.  So many Subways by the highway.  If I have a one day road trip meeting, getting back home or heading there, it's way too easy to stop, quickly order, take away and go.  Hell, they're even often part of the gas station.  Also, as others noted, many small towns just have a Subway and a McDonalds - and I tend to avoid the later.

Believe me, if I had another choice, I'd go somewhere else.  Their sandwiches aren't that bad, but nothing worth writing home about.
 
2018-07-10 12:43:03 PM  
 
2018-07-10 12:44:41 PM  

End_Of_Line: eagles95: Live near philly and the 2 or 3 that I knew of went out of business within the last 2 months. Probably for the best since you can get better subs from a local place.

Yep. Subway does well in places where you have really limited options. An independent sub place has to be truly awful in order to fail against them.


And there are a lot of grocery or convenience stores that do subs at least as good as theirs.  I mean, down the street from Subway here, Kroger will make you a sub for a bit less than their price, using Boar's Head meats and cheeses.  And I've heard many people sing the praises of the subs from WaWa or Publix or similar places.
 
2018-07-10 12:47:23 PM  

End_Of_Line: Yep. Subway does well in places where you have really limited options


My 'limited options' place has always been Sbarro's

// because average, greasy, chain pizza is better than average, soggy, chain subs and average, messy, wtf kind of sauce is this? burgers.

// or a stack of chicken McNuggets (the only food I find palatable at McDonalds. To be fair, I haven't bothered to try any of their foods in years).
 
2018-07-10 12:47:54 PM  
  

HempHead: bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.

They went to a noticeable cheaper 'meat' at least 15 years ago.


Nope.  The meat got better in the mid 90s and has remained the same since.  The stuff before that was vile crap.

The thing is, it's still not very good meat.  Virtually any other place you go to will have better meat.  Which is why you think it's gotten worse.
 
2018-07-10 12:50:35 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How about less suckage, that would help.

And stop trying to pass off cheese triangles as an actual topping.


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2018-07-10 01:01:20 PM  

rnatalie: lefthandedtoons.com


It has been several years since I had a sandwich from Subway that arranged cheese incorrectly.  For all my complaints, that isn't one of them.
 
2018-07-10 01:01:42 PM  

lordargent: Boo_Guy: How about more "meat" ya cheap SOB's.

How about real meat
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That would be why I put "meat".

It's only half real and they still cheap out on it.
 
2018-07-10 01:05:59 PM  

rnatalie: I_Am_Weasel: How about less suckage, that would help.

And stop trying to pass off cheese triangles as an actual topping.

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They don't really overlap them that much anyway, which is why they do it, less cheese over the length of the sub, more cheapness.
 
2018-07-10 01:22:37 PM  

bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.


Pretty much this.  I'm not anti-Subway.  I genuinely used to enjoy it.  But nowadays, at most of our local ones, the veggies are wilting, the meat is garbage, the cheese is tiny triangles, and even the bread isn't as good (I'm still convinced this was due to Food Babe or whatever her name was getting perfectly safe ingredients removed from the bread).  Make it freshish, again, and I'd be back.
 
2018-07-10 01:26:00 PM  

FitzShivering: bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.

Pretty much this.  I'm not anti-Subway.  I genuinely used to enjoy it.  But nowadays, at most of our local ones, the veggies are wilting, the meat is garbage, the cheese is tiny triangles, and even the bread isn't as good (I'm still convinced this was due to Food Babe or whatever her name was getting perfectly safe ingredients removed from the bread).  Make it freshish, again, and I'd be back.


The bread is now exactly like homemade bread, which means it goes stale in a matter of hours.
 
2018-07-10 01:34:16 PM  

Shazam999: FitzShivering: bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.

Pretty much this.  I'm not anti-Subway.  I genuinely used to enjoy it.  But nowadays, at most of our local ones, the veggies are wilting, the meat is garbage, the cheese is tiny triangles, and even the bread isn't as good (I'm still convinced this was due to Food Babe or whatever her name was getting perfectly safe ingredients removed from the bread).  Make it freshish, again, and I'd be back.

The bread is now exactly like homemade bread, which means it goes stale in a matter of hours.


By make it freshish, I meant the rest of it.  The bread, I get.   But I don't go to Subway to get homemade bread.  I prefer their old bread to stale bread.
 
2018-07-10 01:35:01 PM  
I like Subway's new "urban realism" look.
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2018-07-10 01:36:36 PM  
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2018-07-10 01:37:38 PM  
For me, Subway is absolutely only when there is simply no other option. Period. It's either Subway or skip lunch (I have never once eaten Subway for dinner). BTW, Jimmy Johns is only marginally better. I find it odd that the whole appeal of JJ's is that you get your sandwich about the same time your credit card swipe is processed. Yeah, it's nice that they are "freaky fast" but at what expense. Not to mention that here in the Twin Cities, their basic sub is almost 7 bucks.
 
2018-07-10 01:41:31 PM  

FitzShivering: Shazam999: FitzShivering: bronyaur1: Many years ago, they had fresh veggies and what seemed to me to be much higher quality meats.  They were only really competing against the burger chains.  Now there is way more high quality competition, and the sandwiches taste like cardboard.

Pretty much this.  I'm not anti-Subway.  I genuinely used to enjoy it.  But nowadays, at most of our local ones, the veggies are wilting, the meat is garbage, the cheese is tiny triangles, and even the bread isn't as good (I'm still convinced this was due to Food Babe or whatever her name was getting perfectly safe ingredients removed from the bread).  Make it freshish, again, and I'd be back.

The bread is now exactly like homemade bread, which means it goes stale in a matter of hours.

By make it freshish, I meant the rest of it.  The bread, I get.   But I don't go to Subway to get homemade bread.  I prefer their old bread to stale bread.


I was just responding to the bread comment.  You're right about what happened to it.
 
2018-07-10 02:23:07 PM  
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Maybe, nsfw? shows ass crack

Remember, when Subway's facebook thread showed shopped images of hentai? Pepperidge Farms remembers
 
2018-07-10 02:29:40 PM  

invictus2: http://gawker.com/5935119/subways-fac​e​book-page-is-full-of-subway-themed-hen​tai

Maybe, nsfw? shows ass crack

Remember, when Subway's facebook thread showed shopped images of hentai? Pepperidge Farms remembers


Sometimes the internet is awesome. This definitely one of those times.
 
2018-07-10 02:30:20 PM  

Boo_Guy: How about more "meat" ya cheap SOB's.


This. Subway gives you a single layer of meat, sliced so thin it's nearly transparent. Yeah, I know, they fold the meat in half which is technically two layers, but every other sandwich places piles it on. Their meatballs have gotten so small you get two bites of bread for every one bit with meatball.

Subway:
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Competitor:
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Which do you think most people would buy?
 
2018-07-10 03:09:46 PM  
I for one would like to walk up to the counter at a Subway, order a sandwich and walk out within 5 minutes.  Not stand there while three teenage girls behind the counter spend their time socializing and not working.

Yes, that happened to me last time I walked in.  Two customers ahead of me, one's sandwich already in the process of being made.  Walked out SEVEN minutes later and they were still fiddling with that one sandwich, which wasn't because of the customer.
 
2018-07-10 03:18:03 PM  

eagles95: Live near philly and the 2 or 3 that I knew of went out of business within the last 2 months. Probably for the best since you can get better subs from a local place.


I have no idea how we have any in this region to begin with, or how some managed to survive so long. I can think of multiple locations in shopping centers with independent hoagie/pizza places. And if you really want something cheap/fast, there is a Wawa on every corner, while they aren't great, they are 10x better than Subway.
 
2018-07-10 03:31:17 PM  
I've been spoiled by the more retarded delis. It's not a real hero unless onion rings, gravy and garlic bread are involved. I don't think Subway has any of that stuff.
 
2018-07-10 03:43:41 PM  
It's ten bucks for a sub with a paper thin layer of meat on it, that might have something to do with why they are losing business.
 
2018-07-10 03:47:13 PM  
I would be willing to bet there are more Subways in northern Wisconsin and Michigan's UP than McDonald's's.
 
2018-07-10 03:48:58 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: I would be willing to bet there are more Subways in northern Wisconsin and Michigan's UP than McDonald's's.


Now I want a pasty.
 
2018-07-10 04:26:09 PM  
The utter lack of Italian sausage subs on the West Coast bugs me. There was a tiny hotdog-sized sausage on a hotdog bun (with no sauce) at Weinerschitzel, but that's been gone for years now. I'd kill again for an easily-available sausage sub in a good sauce.

If Subway had one, I'd be in there all the time.
 
2018-07-10 04:45:39 PM  
15 years ago the local subway had coupons for 99 cent 6 inch subs 3 or 4 times a year and my apt house neighbors would toss them away in the trash can by the mailboxes. i could collect 25-50 coupons every time they were mailed. imho the roast beef sub at that price was still one heck of a bargain if you told them to pile on all the free veggies. the meat was already going to the turkey based system iirc so the roast beef was the way to go because it was all roast beef[and still is?]. and the bread/rolls were better. the last time i was at subway was over a year ago. never again unless they have a local store opening or some other promo and almost giving the food away or i'm traveling and it is a fast food coin flip almost depending on what place is easiest to get to.
 
2018-07-10 04:49:07 PM  

starlost: 15 years ago the local subway had coupons for 99 cent 6 inch subs 3 or 4 times a year and my apt house neighbors would toss them away in the trash can by the mailboxes. i could collect 25-50 coupons every time they were mailed. imho the roast beef sub at that price was still one heck of a bargain if you told them to pile on all the free veggies. the meat was already going to the turkey based system iirc so the roast beef was the way to go because it was all roast beef[and still is?]. and the bread/rolls were better. the last time i was at subway was over a year ago. never again unless they have a local store opening or some other promo and almost giving the food away or i'm traveling and it is a fast food coin flip almost depending on what place is easiest to get to.


My local subway doesn't even honor coupons at this point.
 
2018-07-10 04:58:04 PM  

Boo_Guy: How about more "meat" ya cheap SOB's.


rule of thumb I use:  if "extra meat" is on the menu, then the sandwich/store is crap
 
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