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(Engadget)   AT&T, who successfully acquired HBO last month, says the network with 42 million subscribers, six billion dollars in profit and 29 Emmys in 2017 must change direction to flourish   ( engadget.com) divider line
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2018-07-09 11:08:47 AM  
I like Barry.
 
2018-07-09 11:24:38 AM  
You now have a utility company regulating entertainment content.

Anybody who cheered for this merger should have their skull smashed open.
 
2018-07-09 11:36:50 AM  
It's not TV, it's AT&T, and thus crap.
 
2018-07-09 11:44:23 AM  
Although, AT&T, can you at least get From the Earth to the Moon on HBONow please? Thanks, and fark you.
 
2018-07-09 11:57:04 AM  
That's a Stankey deal right there.
 
2018-07-09 12:09:09 PM  
In fairness. Hbo have said previously that they are trying to become Netflix before Netflix can become HBO.

If Netflix could have the discipline with their scripted series that HBO has, rather than the do whatever you want with our money approach.
 
2018-07-09 12:45:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: You now have a utility company regulating entertainment content.

Anybody who cheered for this merger should have their skull smashed open.


I'm sorry, did you miss when Comcast acquired NBCUniversal years ago?
 
2018-07-09 12:49:15 PM  
 
2018-07-09 12:49:34 PM  
HBO has been very successful but I'm not sure I disagree with the exec subby disagrees with. All of the 'networks' ( I mean HBO and Netflix among others) are quaking in their boots regarding Disney's planned streaming effort. They are correct to do so. Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/11/1​6​637732/disney-star-wars-marvel-pixar-s​treaming-service-netflix
 
2018-07-09 12:50:05 PM  
Wow.....looks like time to bail after GoT next year
 
2018-07-09 12:52:39 PM  
Another article suggests that AT&T wants HBO to push shows that are only 20-minutes in length in order to attract more mobile viewers.  Many broadcast television shows are almost down to that length once you skip past the ads.  They suck.  That isn't enough time to really become engaged in the story.

Besides, last I checked, the mobile apps for most streaming platforms come with a pause button.  Not much different than picking up a book and reading a few pages on the bus to work.
 
2018-07-09 12:53:25 PM  

Jake Havechek: You now have a utility company regulating entertainment content.

Anybody who cheered for this merger should have their skull smashed open.


But they charge extra for feasting on the goo now...
 
2018-07-09 12:55:54 PM  
I too will be saying goodbye to HBO after GoT is done. Shift in programming means a shift towards more of my income. Nice try AT&T, but I will try reading more and play more D&D. See ya.
 
2018-07-09 12:56:17 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HBO has been very successful but I'm not sure I disagree with the exec subby disagrees with. All of the 'networks' ( I mean HBO and Netflix among others) are quaking in their boots regarding Disney's planned streaming effort. They are correct to do so. Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/11/16​637732/disney-star-wars-marvel-pixar-s​treaming-service-netflix


Old school execs will probably say HBO needs to return to their roots and stop making "original content" -then they'll insist on doubling down with streaming services by increasing the price for HBONow.

These guys aren't imaginative or innovative. They have, at best, a tenuous grip on reality, as seen through a haze of golf course deals with other execs (old frat buddies) and used to the idea they can turn the screws on consumers, deny them any sort of enjoyment, and still mint cash.
 
2018-07-09 12:59:38 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...


Maybe.  That sort of behavior is what lead to the United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. ruling.  Media creators could be forced to license their content to third parties under FRAND agreements if the courts or legislators have their say.
 
2018-07-09 01:17:26 PM  
AT&T, who successfully acquired HBO last month, says the network with 42 million subscribers, six billion dollars in profit* and 29 Emmys in 2017 must change direction to flourish

*citation needed
 
2018-07-09 01:19:51 PM  

Dinjiin: JohnBigBootay: Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

Maybe.  That sort of behavior is what lead to the United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. ruling.  Media creators could be forced to license their content to third parties under FRAND agreements if the courts or legislators have their say.


Considering that Disney has successfully lobbied Congress to extend the copyright on Mickey Mouse for the past 50+ years since it was legally supposed to expire, I'd say "dont bet against the mouse."
 
2018-07-09 01:20:30 PM  
In future news, HBO fires John Oliver for "reasons".
 
2018-07-09 01:21:00 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HBO has been very successful but I'm not sure I disagree with the exec subby disagrees with. All of the 'networks' ( I mean HBO and Netflix among others) are quaking in their boots regarding Disney's planned streaming effort. They are correct to do so. Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/11/16​637732/disney-star-wars-marvel-pixar-s​treaming-service-netflix


Disney will not need fear to keep the subscribers in check.  The subscribers will pay any amount for the Disney streaming service, and while the subscribers say it is to keep their children happy it is in fact the fathers and husbands that want the content Disney provides.  Now, feel the power of this fully operational Entertainment Streaming Service!

MARVEL UNITE!
PIXAR ANIMATE!
TRANSFORMERS ROLL OUT!
STAR WARS DO YOUR THING!
ESPN GET THE JOCKS!
MUPPETS MAKE HENSEN NOT TOTALLY ASHAMED!
A&E/LIFETIME/HISTORY - Seriously, just make some crap filler tv to fill the airtime.  I guess.  I...why did I end on you guys?
 
2018-07-09 01:29:34 PM  
Guessing this really means "prevent users from sharing logins", something which HBO was notoriously blase
 
2018-07-09 01:45:35 PM  

eagles95: Wow.....looks like time to bail after GoT next year


So long as all the important stuff from Last Week Tonight keeps showing up on YouTube the next day officially, there won't be a much reason for me to keep HBO going after GoT is over.  It's been my plan to bail when GoT wraps.
 
2018-07-09 01:52:52 PM  
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2018-07-09 02:00:54 PM  

Myk-House of El: eagles95: Wow.....looks like time to bail after GoT next year

So long as all the important stuff from Last Week Tonight keeps showing up on YouTube the next day officially, there won't be a much reason for me to keep HBO going after GoT is over.  It's been my plan to bail when GoT wraps.


I considered cancelling when the Cryptkeeper stopped creeping me out.  I considered cancelling when Carrie finally caught Big.  I considered cancelling when they finally killed Bill.

Game of Thrones will end soon, and I assume 'never stick your dick in crazy' transfers to robots.  But you know what keeps me coming back?  That one Real Sex from 1992.
 
2018-07-09 02:12:14 PM  
My worry is that they will add commercials.  If HBO is making approx. $2 Billion a year on subscriptions, the only way for them to see an uptick on a quarter is to add commercials or massively expand their user base.

The article said 40 million in the US and 142 million worldwide have subscriptions.  There are approximately 225 million people over 18 in the US.  Half that for married folks (I know it's not correct, but i'm doing Fark math here).  So an increase of 70 million subscribers?

Not buying it, that dude is going to put commercials on HBO.
 
2018-07-09 02:14:41 PM  
HBO, the network that almost NEVER loses on their shows? (They DID miss the boat on "Preacher" - they would have done better than AMC - even though I like the show a lot) needs help from a telecom?  Seriously?
 
2018-07-09 02:42:32 PM  

Dick Gozinya: Considering that Disney has successfully lobbied Congress to extend the copyright on Mickey Mouse for the past 50+ years since it was legally supposed to expire, I'd say "dont bet against the mouse."


I thought that as well.  I have little expectation that either the FTC or Congress would go after these companies for anti-trust violations because they're blatantly bought and paid for.

That said, this issue is a bit more relevant for voters than copyright length.  And there is a limit as to how far the Mouse can push, as a recent backlash against Disney in Anaheim has shown.  I could see some states' AGs who want their name in the paper pushing the issue.  Some previously untouchable industries have been taken down that way.

I could also see governments outside of the US pursuing this.  The EU has a history of targeting American companies pulling these stunts.
 
2018-07-09 02:45:01 PM  

jyarbrough79: My worry is that they will add commercials.  If HBO is making approx. $2 Billion a year on subscriptions, the only way for them to see an uptick on a quarter is to add commercials or massively expand their user base.

The article said 40 million in the US and 142 million worldwide have subscriptions.  There are approximately 225 million people over 18 in the US.  Half that for married folks (I know it's not correct, but i'm doing Fark math here).  So an increase of 70 million subscribers?

Not buying it, that dude is going to put commercials on HBO.


Don't worry, they'll just increase the subscription cost due to raising cost or competitive pricing.
 
2018-07-09 02:52:09 PM  

oregonexile: I too will be saying goodbye to HBO after GoT is done.


Curious - how is 6 episodes of a show that's pretty easy to get ahold of worth ~$15 per month from August 2017 (when the last season ended) until whenever in 2019 they're deciding to air it?

That's roughly $400 for six hours of widely available TV.
 
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2018-07-09 03:01:25 PM  
In short, say goodbye to good programming.
 
2018-07-09 03:27:50 PM  
The funny thing about HBO is that they are almost worthless for watching halfway modern and popular movies. There are a few at a time, but it is no Netflix. The reason to subscribe to HBO is original content. They could pretty much stop licensing movies and just create original content and I would be happy.
 
2018-07-09 03:39:56 PM  

Merltech: jyarbrough79: My worry is that they will add commercials.  If HBO is making approx. $2 Billion a year on subscriptions, the only way for them to see an uptick on a quarter is to add commercials or massively expand their user base.

The article said 40 million in the US and 142 million worldwide have subscriptions.  There are approximately 225 million people over 18 in the US.  Half that for married folks (I know it's not correct, but i'm doing Fark math here).  So an increase of 70 million subscribers?

Not buying it, that dude is going to put commercials on HBO.

Don't worry, they'll just increase the subscription cost due to raising cost or competitive pricing.


Add commercials and people will revolt.  I pay $10 per month for Netflix with no commercials. I pay $10 per month for HBO with no commercials.
 
2018-07-09 03:40:57 PM  
Any estimates on how long until HBO is shuttered and or sold fro scrap?

I say year 6.
 
2018-07-09 04:01:45 PM  

floor: Any estimates on how long until HBO is shuttered and or sold fro scrap?

I say year 6.


Why would you say that? AT&T doesn't really have a reputation or precedent for that. Closest thing would be marginalizing uVerse, particularly after their DirecTV acquisition, but honestly, uVerse was already obsolete when it launched.
 
2018-07-09 04:06:50 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HBO has been very successful but I'm not sure I disagree with the exec subby disagrees with. All of the 'networks' ( I mean HBO and Netflix among others) are quaking in their boots regarding Disney's planned streaming effort. They are correct to do so. Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/11/16​637732/disney-star-wars-marvel-pixar-s​treaming-service-netflix


Will their entertainment streaming service be as shiatty as ESPN+?
 
2018-07-09 04:26:45 PM  
Moving, our cable company told us we could save money watching the channels I actually watch.  I said "How about get rid of the 700 kids crap channels and ones designed for religions I don't follow?"

"OH NOOO We  can't do THAT"
I have a lot of research to do.  Though they said cable alone was $90/month.   WTF.
 
2018-07-09 04:31:25 PM  

Dinjiin: Another article suggests that AT&T wants HBO to push shows that are only 20-minutes in length in order to attract more mobile viewers.  Many broadcast television shows are almost down to that length once you skip past the ads.  They suck.  That isn't enough time to really become engaged in the story.

Besides, last I checked, the mobile apps for most streaming platforms come with a pause button.  Not much different than picking up a book and reading a few pages on the bus to work.


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2018-07-09 04:32:19 PM  

The Bestest: floor: Any estimates on how long until HBO is shuttered and or sold fro scrap?

I say year 6.

Why would you say that? AT&T doesn't really have a reputation or precedent for that. Closest thing would be marginalizing uVerse, particularly after their DirecTV acquisition, but honestly, uVerse was already obsolete when it launched.


For being obsolete (not disagreeing, btw), it was a damn good product and is still.
 
2018-07-09 04:33:17 PM  
"We need hours a day...It's not hours a week, and it's not hours a month. We need hours a day. You are competing with devices that sit in people's hands that capture their attention every 15 minutes."

No.  fark you.  I do not want entertainment, no matter how good it is, infringing on, you know, actually having a life to that degree.

farking greedy bastards.  It's attitudes like this that make me want to ditch the TV altogether.
 
2018-07-09 05:33:31 PM  

The Bestest: floor: Any estimates on how long until HBO is shuttered and or sold fro scrap?

I say year 6.

Why would you say that? AT&T doesn't really have a reputation or precedent for that. Closest thing would be marginalizing uVerse, particularly after their DirecTV acquisition, but honestly, uVerse was already obsolete when it launched.


Uverse was marginalized out of the gate.  It had 5 million subscribers at it's peak, which is a drop in the bucket in the cable subscriber market.

AT&T starting selling off Uverse in certain markets before the merger was announced.
But the bells had been selling Direct TV packages along with telephone packages, long before Uverse, which was really a Bell South product at first, and SBC really did not want to upgrade the infrastructure or a the Uverse Back End.  So they sold a lie.
 
2018-07-09 05:59:48 PM  

Dinjiin: JohnBigBootay: Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

Maybe.  That sort of behavior is what lead to the United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. ruling.  Media creators could be forced to license their content to third parties under FRAND agreements if the courts or legislators have their say.


Have you seen the legislature and the people being put in the courts recently?
 
2018-07-09 06:24:57 PM  

theflatline: The Bestest: floor: Any estimates on how long until HBO is shuttered and or sold fro scrap?

I say year 6.

Why would you say that? AT&T doesn't really have a reputation or precedent for that. Closest thing would be marginalizing uVerse, particularly after their DirecTV acquisition, but honestly, uVerse was already obsolete when it launched.

Uverse was marginalized out of the gate.  It had 5 million subscribers at it's peak, which is a drop in the bucket in the cable subscriber market.

AT&T starting selling off Uverse in certain markets before the merger was announced.
But the bells had been selling Direct TV packages along with telephone packages, long before Uverse, which was really a Bell South product at first, and SBC really did not want to upgrade the infrastructure or a the Uverse Back End.  So they sold a lie.


Problem with U-verse wasn't the backend, but the last mile.  Uvers was only available in certain locations in AT&T (SBC) markets.  Great example is where I live in Plano: there are two AT&T buildings not far from my house, but they werern't the local exchange carrier (it was GTE, then Verizon, now Frontier).  Because of this Plano was an island of non-UVerse in amuch larger uverse footprint of North Texas.  The only did it where they owned the lines (and fiber) so they could carve out their TV service and slap QOS on the line.
 
2018-07-09 06:30:28 PM  

Dinjiin: JohnBigBootay: Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

Maybe.  That sort of behavior is what lead to the United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. ruling.  Media creators could be forced to license their content to third parties under FRAND agreements if the courts or legislators have their say.


You really think a Republican administration, and this administration in particular, is going to push for any kind of regulation?
 
2018-07-09 06:34:55 PM  

RyansPrivates: Problem with U-verse wasn't the backend, but the last mile.  Uvers was only available in certain locations in AT&T (SBC) markets.  Great example is where I live in Plano: there are two AT&T buildings not far from my house, but they werern't the local exchange carrier (it was GTE, then Verizon, now Frontier).  Because of this Plano was an island of non-UVerse in amuch larger uverse footprint of North Texas.  The only did it where they owned the lines (and fiber) so they could carve out their TV service and slap QOS on the line.


Huh.. I actually had to do some reading up.. Verizon apparently sold off all of their former GTE infrastructure to Frontier a couple of years ago.

As for my own story, I live in an area that up until a few years ago could only get 1.5Mbps, later 6 and 12 (but really 5 and 10) DSL from AT&T. Then Google threatened to roll out Google Fiber in my area and lo and behold, AT&T rolls out full gigabit fiber. They didn't, however, offer Uverse TV at all (even though my DSL was branded Uverse) even though the line was now capable of supporting it; only DirecTV.
 
2018-07-09 06:52:13 PM  

The Bestest: floor: Any estimates on how long until HBO is shuttered and or sold fro scrap?

I say year 6.

Why would you say that? AT&T doesn't really have a reputation or precedent for that. Closest thing would be marginalizing uVerse, particularly after their DirecTV acquisition, but honestly, uVerse was already obsolete when it launched.


That is not close to the same situation. U-verse was an internally created product at AT&T that failed. HBO (and the rest of Time/Warner) is an eternally entity acquired by At&T. The success of the merger depends heavily on how the targets values mesh with the new overlords. Disney did this very well by buying companies that aligned well with their values (Pixar and Marvel) so doing it very rarely. Cisco is good at meshing companies into their values. This looks like a disaster. HBO strategy to attract viewers is to build a high status brand (It's not TV, It's HBO) with a few must watch shows. This has worked really well for them. AT&T wants content from HBO. Lots of content, so they can sell the marketing data from each viewer. They want to take HBO from breeding race horses to filling the trough with slop.

As the new culture gets pushed into HBO expect to see programming and development departments drain of talent. This is not what they signed up for, they came because of the Sopranos and the wire, they are not staying to make "Ow My Balls."
 
2018-07-09 08:05:00 PM  
AT&T: we're going to start by canceling game of thrones before the final season starts, and replace it with a spin-off of that Divorce show.
 
2018-07-09 08:06:09 PM  
Meh.  Since I'm stuck with AT&T cell service, they are throwing in HBO for free now through directv now.
 
2018-07-09 08:40:10 PM  

Delawhat: AT&T: we're going to start by canceling game of thrones before the final season starts, and replace it with a spin-off of that Divorce show.


While we know there is no Chance they would dump that license to print money, the two big points for me are:

1) AT&T may not be willing to take the risk of making something like Game of Thrones (ie massive budget, huge story, new IP) in the future.
2) AT&T may try to rush out the final season. Although I suspect it is too late to really do that, thankfully.

More likely than cancel it they would tell the crew to make new seasons.
 
2018-07-09 09:16:52 PM  

LesserEvil: JohnBigBootay: HBO has been very successful but I'm not sure I disagree with the exec subby disagrees with. All of the 'networks' ( I mean HBO and Netflix among others) are quaking in their boots regarding Disney's planned streaming effort. They are correct to do so. Disney owns kind of everything and if they make it exclusive to their own streaming channel you bet your ace there is going to be disruption...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/11/16​637732/disney-star-wars-marvel-pixar-s​treaming-service-netflix

Old school execs will probably say HBO needs to return to their roots and stop making "original content" -then they'll insist on doubling down with streaming services by increasing the price for HBONow.

These guys aren't imaginative or innovative. They have, at best, a tenuous grip on reality, as seen through a haze of golf course deals with other execs (old frat buddies) and used to the idea they can turn the screws on consumers, deny them any sort of enjoyment, and still mint cash.


So, more Beastmaster?
 
2018-07-09 09:18:13 PM  

Random Companion: Myk-House of El: eagles95: Wow.....looks like time to bail after GoT next year

So long as all the important stuff from Last Week Tonight keeps showing up on YouTube the next day officially, there won't be a much reason for me to keep HBO going after GoT is over.  It's been my plan to bail when GoT wraps.

I considered cancelling when the Cryptkeeper stopped creeping me out.  I considered cancelling when Carrie finally caught Big.  I considered cancelling when they finally killed Bill.

Game of Thrones will end soon, and I assume 'never stick your dick in crazy' transfers to robots.  But you know what keeps me coming back?  That one Real Sex from 1992.


I just want to know what became of Martin Tupper
 
2018-07-09 09:48:14 PM  
Here's a warning to you, AT&T. Dick with "The West Wing but Dragons" and I'll cancel in a heartbeat. I've been enjoying HBO's other library since the November 17 hiatus.
 
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