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2018-07-08 09:41:41 PM  
Tis a meme of yore, but is valid nonetheless.

This Endris Night
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2018-07-08 11:43:11 PM  
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2018-07-09 01:07:57 AM  
We should send the Statue of Liberty back to France too. That's not who we are anymore.
 
2018-07-09 01:15:15 AM  
Fun fact, the Bayeux Tapestry is actually not a tapestry. It's an embroidery.

Carry on.
 
2018-07-09 03:17:19 AM  
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2018-07-09 04:00:02 AM  

yanceylebeef: Fun fact, the Bayeux Tapestry is actually not a tapestry. It's an embroidery.

Carry on.


Don't get me started on "Jet Packs". They're ROCKET PACKS, people!
 
2018-07-09 04:54:34 AM  
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2018-07-09 07:34:46 AM  
Bayeux a diamond ring my friend
 
2018-07-09 07:54:14 AM  
From the wiki:  "It tells the story from the point of view of the conquering Normans."

Just in case any of you youngsters thought trolling, astroturfing, and propaganda were new things...
 
2018-07-09 07:55:46 AM  
Does this mean that the Tate is giving back the Rosetta Stone...?
 
2018-07-09 07:59:06 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Tis a meme of yore, but is valid nonetheless.

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I want to go back.
 
2018-07-09 08:06:36 AM  
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - Tapestries
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2018-07-09 08:08:19 AM  
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2018-07-09 08:11:34 AM  

yanceylebeef: Fun fact, the Bayeux Tapestry is actually not a tapestry. It's an embroidery.

Carry on.


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2018-07-09 08:11:52 AM  
I wouldn't lend it to the British, particularly under the present circumstances. Remember what happened to  the bloody Elgin Marbles,
 
2018-07-09 08:12:18 AM  
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2018-07-09 08:23:25 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Does this mean that the Tate is giving back the Rosetta Stone...?


It being somewhat difficult to hang on the wall, and not really fitting in with their modern collection, they might if they actually had it.
 
2018-07-09 08:26:55 AM  

Scaley: bigfatbuddhist: Does this mean that the Tate is giving back the Rosetta Stone...?

It being somewhat difficult to hang on the wall, and not really fitting in with their modern collection, they might if they actually had it.


I've been chided, but my point is still valid...
 
2018-07-09 08:28:42 AM  

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2018-07-09 08:33:30 AM  
Rene Belloch's quote about the Ark of the Covenant is incredibly apt when it comes to items like this.
" We are merely traveling through history, this, this is history." .
 
2018-07-09 08:49:22 AM  
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2018-07-09 08:52:01 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Rene Belloch's quote about the Ark of the Covenant is incredibly apt when it comes to items like this.
" We are merely traveling through history, this, this is history." .


If it's OK with you I'd would much rather reading about all this in a history book rather than living through it in real time.
 
2018-07-09 09:05:41 AM  

PunGent: From the wiki:  "It tells the story from the point of view of the conquering Normans."


But what about Spiny Normans roaming England?

/"Diiiinnnnssssdaaaaale....."
 
2018-07-09 09:09:25 AM  
Meh. If the Saxons had only won at Hastings there'd be none of this drinking "fine wine" means you're elite, drinking beer means you're a slob nonsense. All because of a slight technological advantage (crossbows with cocking levers vs. longbows) and local weather conditions (a storm blew the Norman fleet slightly further along the coast from where they'd planned to land, so rather than meeting the Saxons head-on in a valley they met them from the top of one side and on their flank..)
 
2018-07-09 09:20:52 AM  

PunGent: From the wiki:  "It tells the story from the point of view of the conquering Normans."

Just in case any of you youngsters thought trolling, astroturfing, and propaganda were new things...


Surprisingly, it isn't outright propaganda. It's subtler than that.

The Tapestry starts out with a telling of Harold showing up on Normandy, getting arrested and presented to William, and then showing the two dukes bro-ing around the place: they fight a petty war against a rival duke together, Harold does some action-movie heroics involving quicksand, they kick the other duke's ass, and then William thanks Harold by giving him some weapons and Harold swears some sort of an oath and goes back home.

The tapestry is in many ways extremely specific. We've got named "characters" that are not mentioned anywhere else. We've got minor events -- particularly an apparent sex scandal between an Anglo-Saxon woman and a French cleric -- that appear nowhere else. We see English women and children begging for mercy from French arsonists. The Tapestry isn't shy about getting into the details. We've got nitty-gritty details like foraging expeditions and houses being burned.

But it's surprisingly vague on the contested events. We see Edward and Harold speaking before Harold sets off on his trip, but we are not told what Edward told Harold or vice versa. We see that William "gave Harold arms", but we are not told whether Harold was being knighted as a vassal or whether they were merely a gift. We see that Harold "swore a sacred oath to William," but we are not told what the oath was for. We see the dying King Edward "speaking to the faithful" but are not told what his dying words were. We see that "they gave the crown to Harold" but it is not stated who gave it to him or by what right. We see that "an English ship comes to the land of Duke William" but we are not told of William's reaction.  We see a French bishop blessing the Normans' food and wine, but are never told that the Pope has blessed William's claim to the throne.

The Bayeux tapestry, in short, is 100% consistent with William's telling of events, but is also 100% consistent with Harold's telling of events. Had the Tapestry ended with Harold winning and William dead on the ground, it could well have been hung in an English monastery, and it could be read as pro-English propaganda: look, we see Edward promising Harold the throne, but then Harold is shipwrecked and unlawfully seized by the treacherous William, but Harold is chivalrous and helps fight William, even saving his men from quicksand. He is rewarded with fine gifts for his valour, and he is released -- but not before he is made to swear an oath of peace and brotherhood, for William has learned to fear his blade by seeing his might on the battlefield. Then Edward bequeaths the crown to Harold as had been promised, and Harold's coronation is confirmed by the English nobility. Then William treacherously invades despite their oath-bond, and is righteously defeated for his betrayal."

The Bayeux Tapestry is pro-Norman, but it is vaguely and ambiguously pro-Norman, and it is pro-Norman in such a way that a Godwinson partisan would have no problem accepting it as an accurate and factual recounting of events.

That, I think, is its real genius. If it had been strident propaganda, it would have alienated and angered any English person who read it, who could wave it off as a collection of French lies. But it's something a little more subtle. It lets William shape history by guiding memory rather than by rewriting it. It lets him establish the core narrative -- highlighting the facts he wants people to remember while ignoring the facts he doesn't -- while still giving the English side enough narrative wiggle room that they can't actually argue against any of it. It's the propaganda of a conqueror who is aware that he is vastly outnumbered by his hostile and alien subjects, who understands the political currents swirling around him, and who knows that securing his reign will require a delicate touch as well as an iron fist.

If it's propaganda, it's cleverer propaganda than much of what we see today.
 
2018-07-09 09:28:32 AM  
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/I love tapestry memes
 
2018-07-09 09:39:27 AM  

vinniethepoo: Meh. If the Saxons had only won at Hastings there'd be none of this drinking "fine wine" means you're elite, drinking beer means you're a slob nonsense. All because of a slight technological advantage (crossbows with cocking levers vs. longbows) and local weather conditions (a storm blew the Norman fleet slightly further along the coast from where they'd planned to land, so rather than meeting the Saxons head-on in a valley they met them from the top of one side and on their flank..)


On the plus side, though, they recorded perhaps the best song about a steam locomotive ever written.

Saxon - Princess of the Night
Youtube -49noOAFsG8
 
2018-07-09 09:54:51 AM  
Does this mean the Brits are going to give back all the shiat they've stolen from across the globe over the years?
 
2018-07-09 09:55:10 AM  
Soundtrack for the exhibit?

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2018-07-09 11:21:26 AM  
Good, now Britain should return the Elgin marbles.
 
2018-07-09 11:22:43 AM  

Priapetic: Does this mean the Brits are going to give back all the shiat they've stolen from across the globe over the years?


Ha! No.
 
2018-07-09 01:33:54 PM  
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2018-07-09 01:38:11 PM  

pkjun: PunGent: From the wiki:  "It tells the story from the point of view of the conquering Normans."

Just in case any of you youngsters thought trolling, astroturfing, and propaganda were new things...

Surprisingly, it isn't outright propaganda. It's subtler than that.

The Tapestry starts out with a telling of Harold showing up on Normandy, getting arrested and presented to William, and then showing the two dukes bro-ing around the place: they fight a petty war against a rival duke together, Harold does some action-movie heroics involving quicksand, they kick the other duke's ass, and then William thanks Harold by giving him some weapons and Harold swears some sort of an oath and goes back home.

The tapestry is in many ways extremely specific. We've got named "characters" that are not mentioned anywhere else. We've got minor events -- particularly an apparent sex scandal between an Anglo-Saxon woman and a French cleric -- that appear nowhere else. We see English women and children begging for mercy from French arsonists. The Tapestry isn't shy about getting into the details. We've got nitty-gritty details like foraging expeditions and houses being burned.

But it's surprisingly vague on the contested events. We see Edward and Harold speaking before Harold sets off on his trip, but we are not told what Edward told Harold or vice versa. We see that William "gave Harold arms", but we are not told whether Harold was being knighted as a vassal or whether they were merely a gift. We see that Harold "swore a sacred oath to William," but we are not told what the oath was for. We see the dying King Edward "speaking to the faithful" but are not told what his dying words were. We see that "they gave the crown to Harold" but it is not stated who gave it to him or by what right. We see that "an English ship comes to the land of Duke William" but we are not told of William's reaction.  We see a French bishop blessing the Normans' food and wine, but are never told that the Pope has ...


What do you make of the Aelfgyva scene with the pagan priestess, a cleric smacking her, and the little naked guy in the margin below mirroring his posture? Was this thought to be some snark inserted by the Anglo-Saxon makers commenting on an illicit affair?
 
2018-07-09 03:42:28 PM  

pkjun: If it's propaganda, it's cleverer propaganda than much of what we see today.


No argument there.
 
2018-07-09 04:39:29 PM  

dittybopper: vinniethepoo: Meh. If the Saxons had only won at Hastings there'd be none of this drinking "fine wine" means you're elite, drinking beer means you're a slob nonsense. All because of a slight technological advantage (crossbows with cocking levers vs. longbows) and local weather conditions (a storm blew the Norman fleet slightly further along the coast from where they'd planned to land, so rather than meeting the Saxons head-on in a valley they met them from the top of one side and on their flank..)

On the plus side, though, they recorded perhaps the best song about a steam locomotive ever written.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/-49noOAF​sG8]


And made a Christopher Cross palatable.
Saxon - Ride Like The Wind (Official Video HD)
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\used to go to karaoke with a girl who would sing this version to the Christopher Cross karaoke track.
 
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