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2018-06-22 07:56:27 PM  
Jesus.  The idea of these camps is bad enough, but camps run by the military, on military bases?
 
2018-06-22 08:19:57 PM  
No. That is NOT what the military is for.
 
2018-06-22 08:21:16 PM  

Xanadone: Jesus.  The idea of these camps is bad enough, but camps run by the military, on military bases?


In Arizona, Florida, Alabama, and Texas in summer, no less.

This is f*cking insane. Mueller needs to hurry up.
 
2018-06-22 08:23:02 PM  
I wonder which company Donnie owns stock in will get the contract?
 
2018-06-22 08:46:29 PM  
So that's how he's going to get the military involved in this, put the camps themselves on base, then have the troops ordered to prevent egress from the base.

Goddamn monster.
 
2018-06-22 08:55:04 PM  
One of them to house 47,000 people?!!

That's just f*cking insane. Jeebus.
 
2018-06-22 08:56:52 PM  

lindalouwho: One of them to house 47,000 people?!!

That's just f*cking insane. Jeebus.


two of them and one with 25k. that's just the navy bases.
 
2018-06-22 09:00:37 PM  
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It seemed like only a year or so ago this was posted with a nervous chuckle and the thought that 'hey things won't get that bad, right?'
We are on the edge of a very dark cliff and a bunch of this country would gladly floor it right off.
What.  The.  Shiat.  This has all happened before.
 
2018-06-22 09:01:38 PM  
How farked are we going to get?
 
2018-06-22 09:13:42 PM  
Do you remember the good old days when we were comparing Trump to Nixon? I miss those days.
 
2018-06-22 09:15:41 PM  

Ambivalence: Do you remember the good old days when we were comparing Trump to Nixon? I miss those days.


You ain't lying.
 
2018-06-22 09:17:10 PM  
"Although the military has not yet been ordered to construct these new detention facilities, it is clear it bracing to join a policy challenge that is ricocheting throughout the whole of government. What began as a crackdown on immigrants crossing the border illegally has now spread to the departments of Justice, Homeland Security, Defense and Health and Human Services."

Guys this is growing, and the longer you wait the harder it is going to be to stop.

/concerned frostback
//http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2​/8-​stages-of-genocide/
 
2018-06-22 09:21:15 PM  
FTFA: In 2014, the Obama Administration placed around 7,700 migrant children on bases in Texas, California and Oklahoma. The temporary shelters were shuttered after four months.

That was bad enough. But this is a whole other degree of magnitude. And SCOPE CREEP.
 
2018-06-22 09:22:41 PM  

Boo_Guy: Guys this is growing, and the longer you wait the harder it is going to be to stop.


This is what happens when the kakistocracy in charge is both inhumane and incompetent.
 
2018-06-22 09:23:32 PM  
uuuuhhhh, isn't using the military to institute civilian law enforcement a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act?
 
2018-06-22 09:23:54 PM  
enforce, not institute*
 
2018-06-22 09:31:35 PM  

Ambivalence: Do you remember the good old days when we were comparing Trump to Nixon? I miss those days.


I really hope Trump's run of the Nixon administration wraps up before his speedrun of Hitler gets any further.
 
2018-06-22 09:31:53 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: Ambivalence: Do you remember the good old days when we were comparing Trump to Nixon? I miss those days.


I really hope Trump's speedrun of the Nixon administration wraps up before his speedrun of Hitler gets any further.

FTFM
 
2018-06-22 09:49:09 PM  
They are just following orders...
 
2018-06-22 10:00:03 PM  

some_beer_drinker: They are just following orders...


Like the soldiers in Germany many years ago...
 
2018-06-22 10:05:07 PM  

lindalouwho: Ambivalence: Do you remember the good old days when we were comparing Trump to Nixon? I miss those days.

You ain't lying.


That was only a little over a week ago. This is happening fast, which is the most frightening thing because Congress isn't interested or functional enough to slow anything down let alone stop it.
 
2018-06-22 10:10:00 PM  

PirateKing: No. That is NOT what the military is for.


The difficulty being, that the military doesn't get to say, "This is NOT what we're for," when the CIC isn't telling them to put bullets or shells downrange and into people. They don't really get to question this, but are sort of committed, even if they think it's bullsh*t...

Though, in all fairness, I'd rather see these kids in the care of the US military than ICE or DHS at this point.
 
2018-06-22 10:16:59 PM  

hubiestubert: PirateKing: No. That is NOT what the military is for.

The difficulty being, that the military doesn't get to say, "This is NOT what we're for," when the CIC isn't telling them to put bullets or shells downrange and into people. They don't really get to question this, but are sort of committed, even if they think it's bullsh*t...

Though, in all fairness, I'd rather see these kids in the care of the US military than ICE or DHS at this point.


Members of the military can, and are encouraged, to refuse an illegal order. They don't often (that we hear about), but they can.
 
2018-06-22 10:22:26 PM  
Isn't this a breach of posse comitatus?* I mean even in World War 2 the Japanese-American internment camps were administered by a non-military authority.

*pussy comitatus?
 
2018-06-22 10:22:52 PM  
FTA: "The planning document estimates that the Navy would spend about $233 million to construct and operate a facility for 25,000 people for a six-month..."

Also FTA: 450 square feet per immigrant

Yeah, without getting my calculator out that's:
a) a great deal for whoever was to set up the camps (assuming the plans are dropped)
b) at 450 square feet each, they're rather fine bunk beds
$) aren't the military usually used for *killing* ordinary people?
94) not at all sounding like concentration camps, no, not them things
 
2018-06-22 10:26:02 PM  

edmo: How farked are we going to get?


Just farked; there is no scale, no degrees of it.
 
2018-06-22 10:30:29 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: lindalouwho: Ambivalence: Do you remember the good old days when we were comparing Trump to Nixon? I miss those days.

You ain't lying.

That was only a little over a week ago. This is happening fast, which is the most frightening thing because Congress isn't interested or functional enough to slow anything down let alone stop it.


Exactly.
 
2018-06-22 10:33:22 PM  

thisispete: Isn't this a breach of posse comitatus?* I mean even in World War 2 the Japanese-American internment camps were administered by a non-military authority.

*pussy comitatus?


The order given may simply be to build the camps, provide the security for the overall base, with CBP/ICE doing actual security of the detainees.  That would make it all nice and legal, and still utterly horrifying.
 
2018-06-22 10:34:47 PM  
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2018-06-22 11:02:10 PM  
I feel the need to go watch Schindler's List. To remind myself how bad things can get. And to remind myself there are still good people in evil times.
 
2018-06-22 11:04:10 PM  
Another horrifying part of this: with these "camps" on military bases, there's no chance of press reporting, less chance for lawyers to get to these folks.
 
2018-06-22 11:04:35 PM  

gopher321: I feel the need to go watch Schindler's List. To remind myself how bad things can get. And to remind myself there are still good people in evil times.


I was thinking today, if I had the photoshop skill I would make a picture where the crying little Honduran girl replaces the girl in red being escorted by Nazis. But I don't. Any help, Farkers?
 
2018-06-22 11:07:26 PM  

thisispete: Isn't this a breach of posse comitatus?* I mean even in World War 2 the Japanese-American internment camps were administered by a non-military authority.

*pussy comitatus?


Clearly, I've spent too long arguing with actual lawyers on Fark, because that first question was pretty much exactly what I stopped by to ask here.
 
2018-06-22 11:07:38 PM  
The internal document, drafted for the Navy Secretary's approval, signals how the military is anticipating its role in Trump's immigration crackdown. The planning document indicates a potential growing military responsibility in an administration caught flat-footed in having to house waves of migrants awaiting civilian criminal proceedings.

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2018-06-22 11:08:07 PM  
I am sick of not being shocked by this shiat any more
 
2018-06-22 11:09:49 PM  
They're planning internment camps. We can't let this history repeat itself.

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2018-06-22 11:09:52 PM  
We are going to burn for what we've done.
 
2018-06-22 11:10:31 PM  

PirateKing: No. That is NOT what the military is for.


No shiat.
 
2018-06-22 11:11:01 PM  
FTFA, "an administration caught flat-footed in having to house waves of migrants awaiting civilian criminal proceedings"
No, the WH decided to erect Baby Gulags & concentration camps rather than turn people away or send them back.
This stinks like malignancy, & it will metastasize if we don't remove the tumor (hint: he's orange)
 
2018-06-22 11:12:11 PM  
" in an administration caught flat-footed in having to house waves of migrants"

No. The military might be flat footed. The administration has been planning this for a long time. This is exactly what they have wanted all along.
 
2018-06-22 11:14:45 PM  

Deathbymeteor: Another horrifying part of this: with these "camps" on military bases, there's no chance of press reporting, less chance for lawyers to get to these folks.


And though I would trust rank and file soldiers way more than border patrol, DHS or ICE, the lack of visibility and lack of any recourse for the detainees means abuses will happen
 
2018-06-22 11:14:54 PM  

J_Kushner: FTFA, "an administration caught flat-footed in having to house waves of migrants awaiting civilian criminal proceedings"
No, the WH decided to erect Baby Gulags & concentration camps rather than turn people away or send them back.
This stinks like malignancy, & it will metastasize if we don't remove the tumor (hint: he's orange)


I like you and your handle.
 
2018-06-22 11:15:09 PM  

hubiestubert: PirateKing: No. That is NOT what the military is for.

The difficulty being, that the military doesn't get to say, "This is NOT what we're for," when the CIC isn't telling them to put bullets or shells downrange and into people. They don't really get to question this, but are sort of committed, even if they think it's bullsh*t...

Though, in all fairness, I'd rather see these kids in the care of the US military than ICE or DHS at this point.


The military is not obligated to follow illegal orders.

I hope they're good people.
 
2018-06-22 11:15:42 PM  

bazbt3: FTA: "The planning document estimates that the Navy would spend about $233 million to construct and operate a facility for 25,000 people for a six-month..."

Also FTA: 450 square feet per immigrant

Yeah, without getting my calculator out that's:
a) a great deal for whoever was to set up the camps (assuming the plans are dropped)
b) at 450 square feet each, they're rather fine bunk beds
$) aren't the military usually used for *killing* ordinary people?
94) not at all sounding like concentration camps, no, not them things


That's $1,553 / mo for an austere shared tent.
 
2018-06-22 11:16:12 PM  
Im drunk now, but I can to be drunker. Thanks.
 
2018-06-22 11:17:09 PM  

J_Kushner: FTFA, "an administration caught flat-footed in having to house waves of migrants awaiting civilian criminal proceedings"
No, the WH decided to erect Baby Gulags & concentration camps rather than turn people away or send them back.
This stinks like malignancy, & it will metastasize if we don't remove the tumor (hint: he's orange)


Point of order, the tumor is in the character of a plurality of the citizens of the USA.  They could easily have elected a different fascist who wasn't a rediculous, borderline retarded old man with severe personality disorders.
 
2018-06-22 11:17:42 PM  
This will prevent pesky press from having access to view from afar let alone tour. And congressmen are already struggling to gain access to the sites not yet on bases.

Will the legal team under the Flores settlement have access to inspect per the court ruling?
 
2018-06-22 11:18:35 PM  

LordOfThePings: bazbt3: FTA: "The planning document estimates that the Navy would spend about $233 million to construct and operate a facility for 25,000 people for a six-month..."

Also FTA: 450 square feet per immigrant

Yeah, without getting my calculator out that's:
a) a great deal for whoever was to set up the camps (assuming the plans are dropped)
b) at 450 square feet each, they're rather fine bunk beds
$) aren't the military usually used for *killing* ordinary people?
94) not at all sounding like concentration camps, no, not them things

That's $1,553 / mo for an austere shared tent.


I wouldn't be surprised if they billed for room and board to bankrupt these people even if they end up permitted to stay in the US.
 
2018-06-22 11:22:45 PM  
What? No more room at Guantanamo? JFC
 
2018-06-22 11:23:20 PM  
I can see the base in California being picketed until they have to be moved but that just means expanding the other 2.
 
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