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2018-06-22 04:08:20 PM  
The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.
 
2018-06-22 04:26:59 PM  
Starting last year, perennial list favorites like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry were eliminated when Cars.com changed its methodology to remove sales volume as a factor.

Huh?
 
2018-06-22 04:37:49 PM  
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2018-06-22 04:52:40 PM  
They don't build them like they used to

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2018-06-22 04:59:37 PM  

HempHead: Starting last year, perennial list favorites like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry were eliminated when Cars.com changed its methodology to remove sales volume as a factor.

Huh?


I can't make sense of it either.
 
2018-06-22 05:05:54 PM  

darkhorse23: The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.


What year?
 
2018-06-22 05:09:40 PM  

mrmopar5287: darkhorse23: The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.

What year?


It's 2018, been 2018 for almost seven months...
 
2018-06-22 05:28:43 PM  
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2018-06-22 05:46:47 PM  

mrmopar5287: darkhorse23: The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.

What year?


I had a '95 back in highschool. My brother has it now. A few days ago he started it up after letting it sit for a year, it still runs.
 
2018-06-22 05:56:43 PM  
I drive past the factory where my Subaru Outback was made assembled every time I go into town.
 
2018-06-22 06:08:02 PM  
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2018-06-22 06:10:29 PM  
77 Cherokee 401cid, Twin-sticked, 4-link, D60's, cromalloy shafts w/detroit lockers, 36" BFG M/T please

almost any color will do
 
2018-06-22 06:11:37 PM  

bigfire: 77 Cherokee 401cid, Twin-sticked, 4-link, D60's, cromalloy shafts w/detroit lockers, 36" BFG M/T please

almost any color will do


Bfg?
Nigeria please. Pitbulls Rockers for the m-fing win
 
2018-06-22 06:18:06 PM  

darkhorse23: The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.


Guy I knew drove a Jeep Cherokee into the desert. Never heard from him again.

j/k, he turned into a Jill Stein voter.
 
2018-06-22 06:24:33 PM  
The old boxy Cherokee was one of the best true SUVs ever built.  The new one is just another shiatty car.

Chrysler reliability in general is pretty terrible.  My wife's Grand Cherokee(it's what she wanted) has already had the water pump, AC, and rear main seal fail and it's got less than 60k miles on it.
 
2018-06-22 06:25:43 PM  
My F150 is less American than my neighbor's Tacoma.
 
2018-06-22 06:44:27 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: My F150 is less American than my neighbor's Tacoma.


Maybe, but you drive an F-150....and he drives a Tacoma
 
2018-06-22 06:48:52 PM  

rikkards: bigfire: 77 Cherokee 401cid, Twin-sticked, 4-link, D60's, cromalloy shafts w/detroit lockers, 36" BFG M/T please

almost any color will do

Bfg?
Nigeria please. Pitbulls Rockers for the m-fing win


Pitbull? If I was driving a 800 lb sxs maybe. Not a serious multiple terrain/highway tire.
 
2018-06-22 06:55:57 PM  

bigfire: rikkards: bigfire: 77 Cherokee 401cid, Twin-sticked, 4-link, D60's, cromalloy shafts w/detroit lockers, 36" BFG M/T please

almost any color will do

Bfg?
Nigeria please. Pitbulls Rockers for the m-fing win

Pitbull? If I was driving a 800 lb sxs maybe. Not a serious multiple terrain/highway tire.


Running their 35s Radials on my TJ. Surprisingly good road manners. Didn't even need to balance them. For up here they are great for the terrain (the bias a
 
2018-06-22 06:57:25 PM  

rikkards: bigfire: rikkards: bigfire: 77 Cherokee 401cid, Twin-sticked, 4-link, D60's, cromalloy shafts w/detroit lockers, 36" BFG M/T please

almost any color will do

Bfg?
Nigeria please. Pitbulls Rockers for the m-fing win

Pitbull? If I was driving a 800 lb sxs maybe. Not a serious multiple terrain/highway tire.

Running their 35s Radials on my TJ. Surprisingly good road manners. Didn't even need to balance them. For up here they are great for the terrain (the bias a


Stupid phone.
The bias are even stickier. Was running KM2s before and we're great but these are way better. If it wasn't for the inauguration I would have gone with the KM2s again
 
2018-06-22 06:58:23 PM  

Morchella: I drive past the factory where my Subaru Outback was made assembled every time I go into town.


The Japanese factory with a mailing address on Bataan Memorial Highway?
 
2018-06-22 06:59:10 PM  
What's more 'American'?

A Jeep built here by an Italian company, with mostly domestic parts or a Mexican Chevy Silverado?
 
2018-06-22 07:10:18 PM  

mrmopar5287: Morchella: I drive past the factory where my Subaru Outback was made assembled every time I go into town.

The Japanese factory with a mailing address on Bataan Memorial Highway?


Bingo! I have two one (the other recently retired) friends who work there - which got me a great deal on the car.
 
2018-06-22 07:10:48 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: What's more 'American'?

A Jeep built here by an Italian company, with mostly domestic parts or a Mexican Chevy Silverado?


My Pontiac Vibe, which I believe was manufactured in Canada, and when you take the Pontiac badge and body off you have a Toyota Matrix.
 
2018-06-22 07:30:27 PM  
It's by Chrysler so it'll probably kill you by crushing you, so I always chekov those from the list
 
2018-06-22 07:31:16 PM  

whither_apophis: They don't build them like they used to

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Sure, but there's a reason they're no longer from AMC
 
2018-06-22 07:33:46 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: My F150 is less American than my neighbor's Tacoma.


That's in direct contradiction with what TFA says (F150 at 9, Tacoma unranked), but sure. Whatever you say.
 
2018-06-22 07:35:08 PM  

loonatic112358: whither_apophis: They don't build them like they used to

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Sure, but there's a reason they're no longer from AMC


Grandfather was a mechanic in the 50s and 60s and loved the civilian Willy's. He would have someone come in to get them fixed, they would get fed up with the reliability and then sell to someone else and they would bring them back to get something else fixed.
 
2018-06-22 07:37:02 PM  

loonatic112358: whither_apophis: They don't build them like they used to

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Sure, but there's a reason they're no longer from AMC


What you mean? Nothing wrong with Renault transmissions :)
 
2018-06-22 07:46:16 PM  

Vacation Bible School: My Pontiac Vibe, which I believe was manufactured in Canada


Fremont, California (now the Tesla factory).
 
2018-06-22 08:14:29 PM  
Had a 1999 Cherokee Sport in high school. Great vehicle for off-roading, even if it was a little unstable going around corners at high speeds (got into a pretty bad wreck one summer when my shift supervisor tried to drift a county-owned '98 Cherokee around a 35 mph-rated curve at 70. Didn't end well).

Buddy of mine just bought a baby-blue 2018 Cherokee. I didn't say anything about the reliability...but I wouldn't touch anything with the Jeep badge on it nowadays (with the potential exception of the Wrangler).
 
2018-06-22 08:33:10 PM  
"Admirable off-road capabilities" combined with low reliability. Is this Darwin's replacement for large carnivorous animals?
 
2018-06-22 08:48:26 PM  

loonatic112358: It's by Chrysler so it'll probably kill you by crushing you, so I always chekov those from the list


Too soon man. Too soon.
 
2018-06-22 08:55:31 PM  

rikkards: loonatic112358: whither_apophis: They don't build them like they used to

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Sure, but there's a reason they're no longer from AMC

What you mean? Nothing wrong with Renault transmissions :)


Attached to Chevy engines with brakes from Ford if I recall correctly home the ol conturd was put together
 
2018-06-22 08:59:33 PM  
I want one of those WW2 jeeps that run on booze... and enough booze to drive it around.

You know what, hold the jeep.
 
2018-06-22 09:08:47 PM  

loonatic112358: It's by Chrysler so it'll probably kill you by crushing you, so I always chekov those from the list


I'm pretty sure that Jeep has entirely abandoned that transmission gear selector after the fiasco of people not putting their GD cars in park before they got out of them.
 
2018-06-22 09:08:47 PM  

rikkards: loonatic112358: whither_apophis: They don't build them like they used to

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Sure, but there's a reason they're no longer from AMC

What you mean? Nothing wrong with Renault transmissions :)


I had one of the AMC/Renault YJ Wranglers with the POWER TECH 2.5

Turns out that 120 HP really isn't adequate for a 3000lb car with the aerodynamics of a brick. The trans was actually decent, which is good because you needed to shift that thing 45 times to get up even a slight incline.
 
2018-06-22 09:09:41 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Eddie Adams from Torrance: What's more 'American'?

A Jeep built here by an Italian company, with mostly domestic parts or a Mexican Chevy Silverado?

My Pontiac Vibe, which I believe was manufactured in Canada, and when you take the Pontiac badge and body off you have a Toyota Matrix.


'03 Vibe here....best car ever. I could go out and buy a new car in cash tomorrow, but I love my car and there isn't anything close to replace it with (if I had to, maybe a Honda Fit). A hair under 140k here...bought it used 4 years ago and have put like no money into it besides maintenance items and minor 'youtube mechanic' fixes. Is your newer than that, or do you live in Canada, because they had a factory in California that made most of the GM-Toyota Partnership (NUMI) cars. The factory now makes Teslas.
 
2018-06-22 09:28:17 PM  

MBZ321: Vacation Bible School: Eddie Adams from Torrance: What's more 'American'?

A Jeep built here by an Italian company, with mostly domestic parts or a Mexican Chevy Silverado?

My Pontiac Vibe, which I believe was manufactured in Canada, and when you take the Pontiac badge and body off you have a Toyota Matrix.

'03 Vibe here....best car ever. I could go out and buy a new car in cash tomorrow, but I love my car and there isn't anything close to replace it with (if I had to, maybe a Honda Fit). A hair under 140k here...bought it used 4 years ago and have put like no money into it besides maintenance items and minor 'youtube mechanic' fixes. Is your newer than that, or do you live in Canada, because they had a factory in California that made most of the GM-Toyota Partnership (NUMI) cars. The factory now makes Teslas.


It's an '04 and for some reason I swear I read that it was made in Canadiastan on the Carfax before I bought it. I'm obviously wrong.  I absolutely agree. Bought used in '05, it started life in a rental fleet, I'm not quite 100k (drive mostly in town) and I've never had a major issue with it. Just regular maintenance and it keeps rolling along. Except for the killing airbag thingy. I end up parking under trees a lot so the clearcoat on the finish is starting to flake off but other than that, best car I've ever owned.  Hell, I lived out of if for a summer.
 
2018-06-22 09:38:27 PM  
One time I was up on a mountain in my Wrangler, I was stuck behind a Cherokee. Ya know, one of those new models with the squinty eyes, er, headlights. The driver was driving slower than molasses through the deep water bars, and you could tell the driver was terrified. Sometime two wheels were in the air.

Of course I was feeling impatient and since I was stuck behind this idiot, I started to form a burning hatred for Cherokees that day.

What's my point? I dunno... I lost my train of thought reliving that memory and my burning hatred for Cherokees.

And also if someone tries to sell you one saying it can drive on highways and it can go off-road? Tell them to fark off.
 
2018-06-22 09:45:45 PM  

Vacation Bible School: MBZ321: Vacation Bible School: Eddie Adams from Torrance: What's more 'American'?

A Jeep built here by an Italian company, with mostly domestic parts or a Mexican Chevy Silverado?

My Pontiac Vibe, which I believe was manufactured in Canada, and when you take the Pontiac badge and body off you have a Toyota Matrix.

'03 Vibe here....best car ever. I could go out and buy a new car in cash tomorrow, but I love my car and there isn't anything close to replace it with (if I had to, maybe a Honda Fit). A hair under 140k here...bought it used 4 years ago and have put like no money into it besides maintenance items and minor 'youtube mechanic' fixes. Is your newer than that, or do you live in Canada, because they had a factory in California that made most of the GM-Toyota Partnership (NUMI) cars. The factory now makes Teslas.

It's an '04 and for some reason I swear I read that it was made in Canadiastan on the Carfax before I bought it. I'm obviously wrong.  I absolutely agree. Bought used in '05, it started life in a rental fleet, I'm not quite 100k (drive mostly in town) and I've never had a major issue with it. Just regular maintenance and it keeps rolling along. Except for the killing airbag thingy. I end up parking under trees a lot so the clearcoat on the finish is starting to flake off but other than that, best car I've ever owned.  Hell, I lived out of if for a summer.


I think some were built in Canada at some point....The Toyota Matrix lived on as a Canada-only model after NUMI/Pontiac shut down for a couple of years. The airbag recall/replacement is handled by the dealer for free, no biggie. I'm just sadly starting to lose my clearcoat this year :(. (Mine is a rare yellow/green color...apparently only 500 were made in that color for the '03 model year only). Note that around 130-140k if not sooner, your valve cover gasket will more than likely start to leak oil (you wont notice it on the ground, but it will leak all over the outside of the engine if you don't catch it quick), $6 seal on ebay and easily replaceable watching a Youtube video. You can change the o-ring on the timing belt tensioner too, as that is another common leak point (might be easier to buy a whole new tensioner, but I'm cheap so I just bought the O-Ring and reset the tensioner). Might want to change the serpentine belt too to be safe, if it hasn't been done. If you aren't already a member, join GenVibe on Facebook.
 
2018-06-22 09:45:51 PM  
QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: Starting last year, perennial list favorites like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry were eliminated when Cars.com changed its methodology to remove sales volume as a factor.

This i don't understand at all. I wasn't aware Cars.com ever ranked sales volume as a factor.

From the Cars.com link: U.S. assembly is a critical component of AMI eligibility, but that factor alone doesn't guarantee a seat at the table. Now in the second year of its overhauled methodology, the AMI considers five major factors to zero in on the economic impact of a given model: assembly location, domestic-parts content as determined by the American Automobile Labeling Act, engine sourcing, transmission sourcing and factory jobs provided by each automaker's U.S. plants.
AALA domestic-parts content is the only public content-rating system for cars, but the decades-old legislation is far from perfect. For starters, it doesn't distinguish between Canadian and U.S. parts. That's why the American-Made Index analyzes engine and transmission sourcing - to ensure two of the most cost-intensive components in any car are from the U.S., not Canada. Second, AALA doesn't fully capture the value of labor, so the AMI considers factory labor in a workforce calculation.
The American-Made Index disqualifies cars below the top 40 percent of the current crop of domestic-parts content ratings - a fluid threshold depending on the year - as well as any models that face immediate discontinuation without a U.S.-built successor. For cars sold here that hail from U.S. and foreign assembly plants, the AMI also accounts for foreign production, as it does for engines or transmissions that hail from non-U.S. regions. The AMI does not count fleet-only nameplates, like the Ford Police Interceptor, or those with fewer than 2,500 sales in the first quarter of 2018, as it's unlikely you'll find many at a dealership. Finally, cars with a gross vehicle weight rating of greater than 8,500 pounds (that is, heavy-duty trucks and commercial vehicles) are exempt from AALA ratings and thus not counted by the AMI.


Nowhere in this explanation does it say that sales volume was ever a factor in their rankings or that it's been dropped from current rankings.
 
2018-06-22 09:48:09 PM  

MBZ321: I think some were built in Canada at some point....The Toyota Matrix lived on as a Canada-only model after NUMI/Pontiac shut down for a couple of years.


The Toyota Matrix was built in Ontario through the 2014 model year
 
2018-06-22 09:54:00 PM  

mrmopar5287: loonatic112358: It's by Chrysler so it'll probably kill you by crushing you, so I always chekov those from the list

I'm pretty sure that Jeep has entirely abandoned that transmission gear selector after the fiasco of people not putting their GD cars in park before they got out of them.


Rented a Grand Cherokee last year in Canada. They've gone back to a PRND layout where you don't have to look at it. Have you pushed it all the way forward? Then it's in Park.
The stupid design that was in Chekov's car had no physical feedback or indication, you had to look at it or the indicator on the dash.

Chrysler/Fiat also screwed up in that the gearbox was a Borg Warner (IIRC) design but every other manufacturer who had used it fitted a device that automatically put the parking brake on if you opened the drivers door. Jeep chose not to fit that.

/It was a nice car to drive, I liked it.
//Luggage space was less than I'd have expected for a fairly big car.
 
2018-06-22 10:04:43 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Rented a Grand Cherokee last year in Canada. They've gone back to a PRND layout where you don't have to look at it. Have you pushed it all the way forward? Then it's in Park.
The stupid design that was in Chekov's car had no physical feedback or indication, you had to look at it or the indicator on the dash.

Chrysler/Fiat also screwed up in that the gearbox was a Borg Warner (IIRC) design but every other manufacturer who had used it fitted a device that automatically put the parking brake on if you opened the drivers door. Jeep chose not to fit that.


I've been driving for 22 years and have only owned manual transmission vehicles. I've got ingrained muscle memory for that concept. My routine is to physically engage a parking brake before exiting the vehicle.

I mean, I get it. I've driven automatic transmission vehicles as rental cars or borrowed from parents. But it always throws me for a loop and I'm not used to it. More than once I've "parked" my parents' car, tugged on the hand brake, and then turned the ignition off while the automatic transmission is still in Drive.
 
2018-06-22 11:18:10 PM  

darkhorse23: The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.


In 1987, my mom was shopping for a family SUV, back before they were mainstream, and she test drove every one on the market and asked random owners about them too. Her favorite based on driving them was the Cherokee, especially because it had four doors and most options didn't back then, but every owner she asked said the reliability sucked. And when she went to look at a Chevy Blazer, they ignored her because she didn't have a man with her (she was a widow). The Ford Bronco was missing some crucial feature, I can't recall what. So she bought a Nissan Pathfinder instead. That's just a microcosm of how Americans quit buying American.
 
2018-06-22 11:23:46 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: rikkards: loonatic112358: whither_apophis: They don't build them like they used to

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Sure, but there's a reason they're no longer from AMC

What you mean? Nothing wrong with Renault transmissions :)

I had one of the AMC/Renault YJ Wranglers with the POWER TECH 2.5

Turns out that 120 HP really isn't adequate for a 3000lb car with the aerodynamics of a brick. The trans was actually decent, which is good because you needed to shift that thing 45 times to get up even a slight incline.


They used to make heavy trucks with v8s that made 80-120 hp, maybe in the 50s. I happen to be aware, not because I'm that old, but because I was in an autobody shop with old ford truck ads on the walls. It's funny how expectations change. Now you buy a consumer grade diesel pickup and you expect like 700 lb-ft of torque.
 
2018-06-22 11:44:26 PM  

SkylineRecords: darkhorse23: The Jeep Cherokee is the worst car ever made. How do I know? I had one. The AAA guy that came by to help me get it started one day told me 5 out of every 10 calls he gets are on Jeep Cherokees.

This. I sell aftermarket parts, and the Jeep (Grand) Cherokee is the single biggest hunk of crap this side of the Ford Pinto.


Huh. That's weird. My current car and the one before it were/are both Jeep grand Cherokees. They have been the best cars I've ever owned.

I bought a used 98 from my wife's friend in 2002 and drove it until 2010. I gave it to my step-father who drove it for another 3 or four years. Only problem I ever had was to replace the water pump which I did myself. it was still going strong when he traded it in for a mini van.

In 2010 I bought a used 2008 and I'm still driving it today. The only thing I've replaced has been the tires. I've put 120K miles on it and haven't had a single problem with it.
 
2018-06-23 12:41:36 AM  
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2018-06-23 12:59:20 AM  
I'd rather buy a car manufactured and assembled in a foreign country than one manufactured and assembled in a Republican county.
 
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