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2018-06-22 02:14:10 AM  
First, they came for the Socialists...
 
2018-06-22 02:42:59 AM  
Everything was going to get back to normal, and it as worth sticking around for the good of the country...until it wasn't.
 
2018-06-22 02:45:39 AM  
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2018-06-22 03:00:50 AM  

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I'd say we're somewhere around 6 or 7
 
2018-06-22 03:04:09 AM  
John Toland'shiatler bio is good on this. It was the most dramatic transformation in modern history. Overnight, everything was working right--everybody had a job, everybody had medical care and good food, inflation disappeared, and the post-WW1 defeatism vanished. That's what got Lindbergh and Ford on the Nazi bus: Hitler discovered the magic formula for an efficient, smooth-running society. The rumors of Jews and leftists being rounded up were disquieting, but dismissed.
 
2018-06-22 03:05:46 AM  
Gack! All right, Fark filter, make the first few words "Toland's bio of Hitler."
 
2018-06-22 03:20:21 AM  
This gave me some useful insights.

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In particular I found it fascinating to read how in Sirk's eyes the Nazis gradually shifted from ridiculous blowhard extremists to a genuine threat and how he reacted to seeing more and more people who he worked with and expected better from showing up wearing Nazi badges. Later on he has some fascinating stories to tell about working in the film industry under Nazi rule and the increasing pressure that he was put under to divorce his Jewish wife for the good of his career.

For anyone who wants to know what it was like to be a liberal in Germany as they rose to power it gives superb insight.
 
2018-06-22 03:35:01 AM  

Gordon Bennett: For anyone who wants to know what it was like to be a liberal in Germany as they rose to power it gives superb insight.


But I've been assured by Fark Independentstm that the Nazis WERE liberals!
 
2018-06-22 04:20:16 AM  
Funny -- I just watched Der Welle which was a German retelling of the The Wave after being re-interested in Ron Jones classroom experiment due to recent events (the made for TV movie is on youtube).

Fascism is really that easy. It floods the brain with all the right endorphins: Discipline, vitality, productivity, purity, strength, self-esteem, feelings of togetherness and belonging (and also superiority and specialness like you're part of an elite club), the willingness to belong to something bigger and important than yourself, and the ostracization of those that aren't part of it. It's the classic "members only" artificial class division.

It works every where you look, especially in pop culture fandom: Sports teams, music bands, movie franchises, spiritual lifestyles -- they're all little fascist fiefdoms that promote their side while demonizing the other side. Apply this groupthink and unwavering fealty at the national political level and atrocities occur. We're not immune to this type of behavior. We're tribal animals, we're hardwire to feel this way.
It's okay to belong to a group and feel special because of it. But you have to recognize when to pump the breaks, and that's when the group promotes hatred, violence and dehumanization of other groups. Always be aware of when your group starts using "we're being persecuted and we have to fight back or our way of life will be lost" rhetoric.
 
2018-06-22 05:18:21 AM  

EdwardTellerhands: Gack! All right, Fark filter, make the first few words "Toland's bio of Hitler."


I liked it as shiatler. Makes more sense.
 
2018-06-22 05:25:15 AM  

ihateallofyou: EdwardTellerhands: Gack! All right, Fark filter, make the first few words "Toland's bio of Hitler."

I liked it as shiatler. Makes more sense.


It'shiatherto proved treacherous.
 
2018-06-22 05:47:47 AM  

fusillade762: Gordon Bennett: For anyone who wants to know what it was like to be a liberal in Germany as they rose to power it gives superb insight.

But I've been assured by Fark Independentstm that the Nazis WERE liberals!


they were socialists workers. also nationalists. and it was a party.
 
2018-06-22 06:39:46 AM  
It can happen here.

"The philologist pointed to a regime bent on diverting its people through endless dramas (often involving real or imagined enemies), and "the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise." In his account, "each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,'" that people could no more see it "developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head."
 
2018-06-22 08:10:15 AM  
Hitler took advantage of the situation that already existed, he didn't create it.
It wasn't imposed on the people, the people created it.
It's disturbing how no one seems to ever mention that.
 
2018-06-22 08:49:36 AM  
An excerpt (from an excerpt) from 'They Thought They Were Free'
To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it-please try to believe me-unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures' that no 'patriotic German' could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.
 
2018-06-22 09:53:33 AM  

Ishkur: It works every where you look, especially in pop culture fandom: Sports teams, music bands, movie franchises, spiritual lifestyles -- they're all little fascist fiefdoms that promote their side while demonizing the other side.


You forgot "Fark politics threads."  I'm not really joking, either. Almost every thread is seemingly full of angry, smug, intolerant psychopathic narcissistic people that have little to no regard for anyone on the "other side" and actively wish them harm or death.

Every thread is basically a microcosm of fascism.
 
2018-06-22 09:58:42 AM  
This reminded me of how ISIS improved the lives of many in Iraq & Syria by fixing electrical problems, regularly collecting garbage, and focusing on law & order. The quotes around "everybody" in the last line of that paragraph also reminded me of the criticism  directed at people like Steven Pinker, Bill Gates, or Hans Rosling who insist the world is getting better. Better for whom? Everybody?

This is what comes to my mind immediately.

It really is a chilling show to watch right now.
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2018-06-22 10:02:48 AM  

Befuddled: An excerpt (from an excerpt) from 'They Thought They Were Free'
To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it-please try to believe me-unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures' that no 'patriotic German' could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.


This 100%.

My anxiety is thru the roof for months now as I pay way too much attention, but I think if I didn't, I may regret it more someday.

As it is, I've literally had a 1st step conversation with my girlfriend about the idea of escaping to Canada at some unknowable point of no return, politically.  I assume its all about the upcoming midterms.  If the Dems fail to take back majorities, we are right and truly f*cked as a country.

Trump/Ryan/McConnell will pull apart the body until we're gnawing on the bones of our former glory.  No more department of education, labor, Consumer Protection Bureau, no more term limits, no more social security or Medicaid.  'Work for Food' programs will be required by law.  Mass deportations and imprisonments.

And that's just what they've already proposed or "joked" about.
 
2018-06-22 10:06:00 AM  

Snapper Carr: fusillade762: [img.fark.net image 693x556]

I'd say we're somewhere around 6 or 7


Early stages of 6 or 7.  A lot of it happens all at once, so 1-4 have been going on for a while and will continue since its not finished.  Trump didn't get Muslim registry (yet), and ICE isn't big enough to handle his mass imprisonment (yet) despite ICE already being 2nd in size only to the FBI, a fact that disgusts me, having learned it only yesterday.
 
2018-06-22 10:37:52 AM  

weddingsinger: This reminded me of how ISIS improved the lives of many in Iraq & Syria by fixing electrical problems, regularly collecting garbage, and focusing on law & order. The quotes around "everybody" in the last line of that paragraph also reminded me of the criticism  directed at people like Steven Pinker, Bill Gates, or Hans Rosling who insist the world is getting better. Better for whom? Everybody?

This is what comes to my mind immediately.

It really is a chilling show to watch right now.


Did you read their books?

Yes, now is better for everybody, literally everybody.

The people who have it worst in our world right now have it as bad as almost everyone did through nearly all of human history up until the last 100-150 years or so.  Most people alive right now are much better off than every person that has ever lived, even people who are poor by modern standards.

Some of us (like me) are very, very, very well off.  I have it so well off I wouldn't trade places with even the most powerful king on earth 100 years ago.  My kids are orders of magnitude more likely to survive infancy, my wife is similarly more likely to survive childbirth.  I am not likely to be killed by an infection from a simple cut, I can be anywhere in the world in 24 hours or less, and even the air is even cleaner where I live than back then.

While the bottom is the same as always the place even an average schlep like me can reach is orders of magnitude higher and every day more people move closer to it.  Yes, we are all better off.

Pinker: Also, bad things can happen quickly, but good things aren't built in a day. The papers could have run the headline, "137,000 people escaped from extreme poverty yesterday" every day for the last 25 years.
 
2018-06-22 10:45:21 AM  

Beta Tested: weddingsinger: This reminded me of how ISIS improved the lives of many in Iraq & Syria by fixing electrical problems, regularly collecting garbage, and focusing on law & order. The quotes around "everybody" in the last line of that paragraph also reminded me of the criticism  directed at people like Steven Pinker, Bill Gates, or Hans Rosling who insist the world is getting better. Better for whom? Everybody?

This is what comes to my mind immediately.

It really is a chilling show to watch right now.

Did you read their books?

Yes, now is better for everybody, literally everybody.


You forget there is still genocide and totalitarian states like North Korea.

It is never literally everybody, but we can often hope for 'most' and do our best to help the rest as we see them.

But, my point was that in plenty of situations some fascist or dictator or demagogue shows up promising to make things better, but always at someone's expense.  They always have a scapegoat, someone to blame.  And for them, things go very, very badly.  In Germany, it was quite a few groups, but mostly the Jews and Slavs.  Handmaid's Tale I'd say it was worse for everyone not a Commander.  Right now, latinos and Muslims are beginning to suffer at Trump's hand.
 
2018-06-22 10:58:47 AM  
I haven't forgotten anything, North Korea stands out today as an anomaly but transport it back in time 1000 years and it is probably one of the better places to live.  The things you listed as some of the worst stuff happening today was standard operating procedure in most places most of the time.  Genocide was so common that it usually wasn't even worth a mention to contemporary historians, it was just what happened when a group lost.

Hans Rosling's 200 Countries, 200 Years, 4 Minutes - The Joy of Stats - BBC Four
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