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2018-06-20 06:21:05 AM  
I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable. He also had to commit suicide for trying to kill Hitler. So, at least he did try to do something.

Also,

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2018-06-20 07:02:13 AM  
Well the email certainly did motivate people,so I guess it was a success.
 
2018-06-20 07:11:14 AM  
One cannot permit unique quoting opportunities to slip by for the sake of upsetting a few snowflakes.
 
2018-06-20 07:15:48 AM  

Slaxl: One cannot permit unique quoting opportunities to slip by for the sake of upsetting a few snowflakes.


This.

/"Go big or go home" - A. Hitler 1938
 
2018-06-20 07:40:04 AM  
Meh, I'll allow it, it is a good quote by a great general.

/and as stated above, he wasn't a fan of Hitler
 
2018-06-20 07:58:24 AM  
It is better to ask for forgiveness than for permission.
- Lee Harvey Oswald
 
2018-06-20 08:22:11 AM  
I once made a mistake. I came out of my mom's vagina.
 
2018-06-20 08:25:32 AM  
I see the "If you're going to quote a Nazi, then this is the one to quote" thought has been covered.
 
2018-06-20 08:25:59 AM  
Sure sounds like something a Nazi would say.
 
2018-06-20 08:26:01 AM  

steklo: I once made a mistake. I came out of my mom's vagina.


I also made a mistake.  I came in your mom's vagina.

Hey-ooo.
 
2018-06-20 08:26:43 AM  
i don't object to the quote...
i object to this nonsense

NewportBarGuy: I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable.


Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.

The entire north african campaign had little to no strategic value to the overall war and was basically a sop to rommel's vanity as a commander.  All it did was pull something like 30-50% of the logistics train and huge amounts of armor away from the real fronts where it was needed.  Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.
 
2018-06-20 08:27:03 AM  
Liberal hysteria we meet again!
 
2018-06-20 08:27:52 AM  
The words stand alone, who said them doesn't matter.
The recent idiocy of pretending it does is a systemic problem.

If Charles Manson says "murder is wrong, don't do that", then twits today will dismiss it because of who said it, the words don't matter to them.
 
2018-06-20 08:35:53 AM  
"De landing craft, dey just keep coming.  All my men are dead or dying.  Oh god, more American planes overhead."  What an inspiring Nazi quote may sound like.
 
2018-06-20 08:37:38 AM  
Not to niggle but Rommel was Wehrmacht (regular army) and never was a member of the Nazi party.
 
2018-06-20 08:38:01 AM  
It said the staff member who selected the quote did not know who Rommel was.

I feel a bout of harrumphing coming on.
 
2018-06-20 08:40:46 AM  
Please tell me this school's nickname is Excrementer.
 
2018-06-20 08:42:06 AM  

kelrick: Not to niggle but Rommel was Wehrmacht (regular army) and never was a member of the Nazi party.


Niggle, please.
 
2018-06-20 08:42:24 AM  
Even if you want to quote actual real Nazis, why not?  What if they were just misunderstood?

Lately I hear there's good people on both sides of this issue...
 
2018-06-20 08:43:26 AM  

kelrick: Not to niggle but Rommel was Wehrmacht (regular army) and never was a member of the Nazi party.


And he tried to murder Hitler
 
2018-06-20 08:45:38 AM  

SBinRR: I see the "If you're going to quote a Nazi, then this is the one to quote" thought has been covered.


I was going to write that "Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it," is a pretty good one, and that the high school in Massachusetts that recalled yearbooks over it was being stupid...

But then I thought it sounded too pat to be an actual quote and looked it up. Hitler wrote some stuff in that vein, but there's no such quote apparently, just some idiot attaching it to a picture of him like idiots attaching anything pithy to pictures of Einstein.

So maybe the quote should be, "Make the lie big, keep it simple, and the NY Times will happily print it."
 
2018-06-20 08:46:59 AM  
The story here is that the Daily Mail hates the idea that the views of Nazis are being suppressed.
 
2018-06-20 08:53:27 AM  
This is why I love fark. 22 posts when I read the thread and we have already covered;

-A quote stands alone
-Rommel wasn't a Nazi
 
2018-06-20 08:55:53 AM  

steklo: I once made a mistake. I came out of my mom's vagina.


I checked it out recently...you're not missing much any more.
 
2018-06-20 08:57:17 AM  
 
2018-06-20 08:58:47 AM  
Rommels Atlantic wall came crumbling down.
 
2018-06-20 09:02:00 AM  

PainInTheASP: Slaxl: One cannot permit unique quoting opportunities to slip by for the sake of upsetting a few snowflakes.

This.

/"Go big or go home" - A. Hitler 1938


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Earth, Hitler. 1938.
 
2018-06-20 09:02:38 AM  

oopsboom: Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.


You're saying that like it's a bad thing ...
 
2018-06-20 09:05:41 AM  

oopsboom: i don't object to the quote...
i object to this nonsense

NewportBarGuy: I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable.

Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.

The entire north african campaign had little to no strategic value to the overall war and was basically a sop to rommel's vanity as a commander.  All it did was pull something like 30-50% of the logistics train and huge amounts of armor away from the real fronts where it was needed.  Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.


Umm...not quite. Tactically, you are correct. The logistics of their campaign were a mess. However, Strategically, you're wrong (at least in Germany's thinking). The German High Command wanted to take the Suez by any means. They had figured that the British were receiving supplies from their empire through the canal. Since, the German fleet could not take on the English Navy in the Med. The easiest way to prevent the flow of supplies by ground troops/armor was to take over a choke point. That was the Suez.  There was strategic value for the North Africa campaign. They just failed in the tactical execution of it.
 
2018-06-20 09:06:44 AM  

oopsboom: i don't object to the quote...
i object to this nonsense

NewportBarGuy: I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable.

Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.

The entire north african campaign had little to no strategic value to the overall war and was basically a sop to rommel's vanity as a commander.  All it did was pull something like 30-50% of the logistics train and huge amounts of armor away from the real fronts where it was needed.  Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.


and now we all know Monty's Fark ID ...
 
2018-06-20 09:08:44 AM  

oopsboom: i don't object to the quote...
i object to this nonsense

NewportBarGuy: I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable.

Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.

The entire north african campaign had little to no strategic value to the overall war and was basically a sop to rommel's vanity as a commander.  All it did was pull something like 30-50% of the logistics train and huge amounts of armor away from the real fronts where it was needed.  Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.


Well didn't that make him the best Nazi?
 
2018-06-20 09:10:05 AM  

Omnidirectional Punching: SBinRR: I see the "If you're going to quote a Nazi, then this is the one to quote" thought has been covered.

I was going to write that "Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it," is a pretty good one, and that the high school in Massachusetts that recalled yearbooks over it was being stupid...

But then I thought it sounded too pat to be an actual quote and looked it up. Hitler wrote some stuff in that vein, but there's no such quote apparently, just some idiot attaching it to a picture of him like idiots attaching anything pithy to pictures of Einstein.

So maybe the quote should be, "Make the lie big, keep it simple, and the NY Times will happily print it."


Damn, I didn't put that in context. The NYT printed the story with no fact checking. I guess it's not that unusual for them anymore though.
 
2018-06-20 09:10:11 AM  

oopsboom: i don't object to the quote...
i object to this nonsense

NewportBarGuy: I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable.

Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.

The entire north african campaign had little to no strategic value to the overall war and was basically a sop to rommel's vanity as a commander.  All it did was pull something like 30-50% of the logistics train and huge amounts of armor away from the real fronts where it was needed.  Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.


Well, we could have a very longer conversation about this. I would love to over a few beers... He was brilliant with the implementation of Blitzkrieg in the initial push to take over Europe. He was brilliant in making sure the Allies HAD to stay and fight in North Africa rather than focus their efforts on Europe. That bought Hitler a ton of time which he wasted on Russia. Had Rommel's efforts in North Africa not been wasted with Hitler's obsession with Russia, there's a damn good chance the Allies don't make the inroads they needed to in Europe.

You can go a lot of ways. Yes, he overextended his supply lines causing all kinds of issues. He had plenty of faults. But he was not a reason the Nazis lost the war.
 
2018-06-20 09:10:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Well, we could have a very longer conversation about this.


And, one day, I might be able to form a coherent sentence. Jesus.
 
2018-06-20 09:17:11 AM  

SirEattonHogg: steklo: I once made a mistake. I came out of my mom's vagina.

I also made a mistake.  I came in your mom's vagina.

Hey-ooo.


No you didn't. You wiped your hands on the curtains.

My mom is like a doorknob, everyone takes a turn.
 
2018-06-20 09:31:21 AM  
Guderian > Rommel
 
2018-06-20 09:33:06 AM  
Rommel was good, but is over-rated.  Turns out he was getting near real-time inside intel on the Brits, because an Italian secretary had copied a U.S. codebook from our embassy.  That wouldn't have helped at that point...except we had a ranking observer on the Brit side, who'd write up his daily reports, and transmit them in said code.

Once the Brits plugged that leak, he never won another campaign.

He gets points for trying to nail Hitler, but failed that, too...

To my mind, he's like Robert E. Lee...good, but not good enough to overcome his side's serious strategic disadvantages.
 
2018-06-20 09:33:31 AM  

Nurglitch: Guderian > Rommel


He was delicious.

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2018-06-20 09:36:01 AM  

Egoy3k: This is why I love fark. 22 posts when I read the thread and we have already covered;

-A quote stands alone
-Rommel wasn't a Nazi


It's how misuse of the internet creates disinformation. Most people comment on the OP without realizing someone has debunked the entire thread. Should read the responses before posting.
 
2018-06-20 09:38:34 AM  

winedrinkingman: kelrick: Not to niggle but Rommel was Wehrmacht (regular army) and never was a member of the Nazi party.

And he tried to murder Hitler


No. He just plain refused to have anything to do with the plot, either way. But the real reason that he was put on the death list after the attempt is that his name came out as a possible successor if the plot succeeded..
 
2018-06-20 09:42:27 AM  

PunGent: Rommel was good, but is over-rated.  Turns out he was getting near real-time inside intel on the Brits, because an Italian secretary had copied a U.S. codebook from our embassy.  That wouldn't have helped at that point...except we had a ranking observer on the Brit side, who'd write up his daily reports, and transmit them in said code.

Once the Brits plugged that leak, he never won another campaign.

He gets points for trying to nail Hitler, but failed that, too...

To my mind, he's like Robert E. Lee...good, but not good enough to overcome his side's serious strategic disadvantages.


Lee was a very good personnel manager. To my mind, though, he was not the best strategist nor tactician, on either side. But among his people skills he could not only get personalities like A.P. Hill and Longstreet to work together, he could get along with Jeff Davis, which was a rarity. His personnel skills are what kept him in command until the end.
 
2018-06-20 09:43:38 AM  

PainInTheASP: Slaxl: One cannot permit unique quoting opportunities to slip by for the sake of upsetting a few snowflakes.

This.

/"Go big or go home" - A. Hitler 1938


Hold my beer and watch this.
 - A. Hitler, Sept 1939.
 
2018-06-20 09:46:18 AM  

oopsboom: Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.


Gen. George Patton:  "Halte mein Bier".
 
2018-06-20 09:54:59 AM  

neritz: oopsboom: i don't object to the quote...
i object to this nonsense

NewportBarGuy: I can excuse Rommel. He was a brilliant officer and honorable.

Rommel was a farking trainwreck of a commander.  He was constantly off the rails, overextended, always trying to get one more push and victory even while central command was screaming at him to STOP GOING FORWARD b/c he was screwing over supply chains for entire theatres.

The entire north african campaign had little to no strategic value to the overall war and was basically a sop to rommel's vanity as a commander.  All it did was pull something like 30-50% of the logistics train and huge amounts of armor away from the real fronts where it was needed.  Rommel was one of the (multiple) reasons the nazi's lost the war.

Umm...not quite. Tactically, you are correct. The logistics of their campaign were a mess. However, Strategically, you're wrong (at least in Germany's thinking). The German High Command wanted to take the Suez by any means. They had figured that the British were receiving supplies from their empire through the canal. Since, the German fleet could not take on the English Navy in the Med. The easiest way to prevent the flow of supplies by ground troops/armor was to take over a choke point. That was the Suez.  There was strategic value for the North Africa campaign. They just failed in the tactical execution of it.


Actually, Rommel's successes in North Africa were largely due to a very good signals intelligence apparatus, helped by the fact that the US military attache to the British forces in Africa was using a codebook that was compromised, so the Germans often knew what the British were planning.  That allowed him to "make the enemy [his] quartermaster" and rely to some degree on captured petrol.

Two things caused that to come to a screeching halt, however.  First, the British twigged to the fact that Colonel Feller's messages were being read by the Germans, and told the US which immediately changed the encryption method Feller used to a more secure method, and second, the capture of Nachrichten Fernsehsendung Aufklarung Kompanie 621 (NFAK 621), his main tactical signals intelligence unit, at the start of the Batlle of El Alamein.  It had been placed too far forward (perhaps in an attempt to get more intercepts of short-range tactical radio messages) and defended by second-rate Italian troops who were quickly over-run.  Not only did that result in him losing the intelligence, all of the records were captured intact which let the British know how their signals were being exploited.  This allowed them to tighten up radio procedure.

These two events happened within 2 weeks of each other.

Thus deafened, the vaunted Desert Fox was unable to divine Allied moves by listening to the aetheric whisperings of Allied units, and never again regained the initiative.
 
2018-06-20 09:56:17 AM  
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2018-06-20 10:11:18 AM  
Wait, are we sure it was Rommel and not Taylor Swift?  She has a lot of motivational quotes floating around out there.
 
2018-06-20 10:14:09 AM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: PainInTheASP: Slaxl: One cannot permit unique quoting opportunities to slip by for the sake of upsetting a few snowflakes.

This.

/"Go big or go home" - A. Hitler 1938

Hold my beer and watch this.
 - A. Hitler, Sept 1939.


No, that quote was 1929.
 
2018-06-20 10:14:22 AM  

cynicalbastard: winedrinkingman: kelrick: Not to niggle but Rommel was Wehrmacht (regular army) and never was a member of the Nazi party.

And he tried to murder Hitler

No. He just plain refused to have anything to do with the plot, either way. But the real reason that he was put on the death list after the attempt is that his name came out as a possible successor if the plot succeeded..


Actually, we was involved, but wary of any overt moves because he understood that it could possibly have been a provocation by the SS and/or Gestapo. And he was prepared to surrender to the Allies if Hitler didn't end the war, which he actually put in writing to Hitler on July 15, 1944.  He was then severely wounded in an air attack on July 17th, and thus couldn't actively participate in the July 20th assassination and coup attempt against Hitler.

Hitler, understanding that a trial and execution of Rommel would tarnish his own image among the German people gave him the chance to commit suicide so that his reputation and his family wouldn't suffer, and Rommel took it.  And it was a plausible thing to announce he died of wounds, because he was still convalescing from being severely wounded in France.
 
2018-06-20 10:16:36 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Dr Jack Badofsky: PainInTheASP: Slaxl: One cannot permit unique quoting opportunities to slip by for the sake of upsetting a few snowflakes.

This.

/"Go big or go home" - A. Hitler 1938

Hold my beer and watch this.
 - A. Hitler, Sept 1939.

No, that quote was 1929.


Actually, that quote is from 1923:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Ha​l​l_Putsch

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2018-06-20 10:17:19 AM  
Okay, while I concede that the "staff member" is form England and all, but I weep at the fact that they did not know who Rommel was. For goodness sakes, read a freaking book. Failing that, at least watch a WW II documentary.
/too early for this
//where is my bourbon
///is the number of glasses I need now
 
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