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2018-06-19 10:49:00 PM  
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2018-06-19 10:55:25 PM  
 
2018-06-20 07:30:32 AM  
Now it's being reported that some of the kids are acting out. Kids act out when they don't feel safe. The nonviolent way to keep a kid safe in these circumstances is to put him in a basket hold. It takes a lot of training to learn how to do it correctly. I'm going out on a limb here to say I don't think these guardians have that training. They probably have clubs of some kind.

Call your senators and representative, folks. Let them know we're making lists of the demons who are supporting this policy.
 
2018-06-20 08:07:39 AM  
And then they blocked editing on the page
 
2018-06-20 08:08:45 AM  

Ken S.: [img.fark.net image 425x326]


One lady who had her son taken from her straight up said that she was told her son was getting a bath.  She didn't know he was being taken from her until he didn't come back.  We're already at that point.
 
2018-06-20 08:08:58 AM  

August11: Now it's being reported that some of the kids are acting out. Kids act out when they don't feel safe. The nonviolent way to keep a kid safe in these circumstances is to put him in a basket hold.


Maybe the guardians could give them some work to do, to keep them occupied. You could even have a motivational saying to help the kids want to work. I mean,  it would have to be in Spanish obviously. Maybe "El trabajo te libera".
 
2018-06-20 08:08:58 AM  
I only get my history from conservapedia.  This policy is the one of our nation's shining moments right up there with Japanese internment camps which were really fun-time sleepaway camps for adults.  They didn't even have to work and they got fed!  Lucky campers!
 
2018-06-20 08:10:32 AM  
Evangelicals find lessons in the bible for modern times. Here's one I'd suggest. Years ago, they were alone... hungry... thirsty in the desert and the GOP tempted them. They failed that test. Now those who claim to want to be Christ-like find themselves clinging to people who make a sad game show "womp womp" sound in response to the news of a 10-year old girl with Down's syndrome being taken from her mother.
 
2018-06-20 08:12:01 AM  
I dread to think how this is being covered in RW media. I don't think I could stomach it.
 
2018-06-20 08:12:21 AM  
The talk section is... depresssing.
 
2018-06-20 08:12:29 AM  
This is an excellent way to create future terrorists. Probably why they are doing it.
 
2018-06-20 08:14:51 AM  
You're right, Republican c*nts, these child internment camps aren't comparable to the concentration camps of Auschwitz or Dachau. They're more like the internment camps at Manzanar or Tule Lake, where thousands of Japanese Americans were unconstitutionally interned. And even then, we had the decency to keep families together.

You f*cking c*nts.
 
2018-06-20 08:15:19 AM  
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2018-06-20 08:16:41 AM  

SordidEuphemism: The talk section is... depresssing.


Casablanca La Marseillaise
Youtube HM-E2H1ChJM


What America needs, right farking now.
 
2018-06-20 08:17:29 AM  

Lady J: I dread to think how this is being covered in RW media. I don't think I could stomach it.


They think it's no big deal or fake news.
 
2018-06-20 08:17:42 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


This is how genocides start.
 
2018-06-20 08:17:53 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


I'm not surprised in the least.  People forget there were plenty of American citizens who left the US in WWII to fight for the Third Reich.  There were enough people who liked what they did right here in the US to have the Nazi Party give a rally at Madison Square Garden.

The brownshirts have always been here.  It's only now that they have one of their own running the show that they're willingly stepping out of the shadows.
 
2018-06-20 08:18:15 AM  
So like, how are they confirming who each kid is? How are they recording which adults they attempted to enter the country with?

Excuse me if I have a sneaking suspicion that the paperwork side of things will be handled like the Bush 43 administration handled it in Gitmo. 1500 kids got "lost" by the system under Obama: what steps is Trump taking to ensure the risk of this is mitigated?
 
2018-06-20 08:18:33 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


That photo of that kid has nothing to do with this policy, btw. That IS fake news. I wish we'd stop farking up our own momentum by posting photos of unrelated events.
 
2018-06-20 08:18:50 AM  
This is worse than I thought it would be and it's only going to get worser.
 
2018-06-20 08:18:50 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


Fake news....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tod​d​ler-cage-photo/
 
2018-06-20 08:20:29 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


I have no words, other than they're talking like Orcs out of the LotR.
 
2018-06-20 08:20:53 AM  
I never thought I'd see the day when we'd have to recreate D-day on our own beaches.
 
2018-06-20 08:22:22 AM  
Since he love his name on hotels and apartment buildings, these should be called Trump Tender Care facility or Trump Kid Internment Camp.
 
2018-06-20 08:22:24 AM  

Grungehamster: So like, how are they confirming who each kid is? How are they recording which adults they attempted to enter the country with?

Excuse me if I have a sneaking suspicion that the paperwork side of things will be handled like the Bush 43 administration handled it in Gitmo. 1500 kids got "lost" by the system under Obama: what steps is Trump taking to ensure the risk of this is mitigated?


They're not.  Two separate agencies are dealing with the documentation of parent and child, and neither are using the same way of tracking.  So in the end, there is no way that they will be able to match the children up with their parents.

Realize, however, that this is by design.  For whatever godforsaken reason, the government plans to never give these children back to their parents.
 
2018-06-20 08:23:26 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


PC LOAD LETTER: Lady J: I dread to think how this is being covered in RW media. I don't think I could stomach it.

They think it's no big deal or fake news.


Even allowing for a certain amount of online edgelord crap, that is some reprehensible shiat.
 
2018-06-20 08:23:54 AM  
The only one I see on the Concentration Camp page is Guantanamo Bay, so this must have been short-lived. The more appropriate comparison is to the various refugee camps in the Middle East or "The Jungle" in France. Not exactly a good look for the United States, but then again America is fortunate it has generally been insulated from the real world thanks to its very fortunate geography.
 
2018-06-20 08:24:38 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

That photo of that kid has nothing to do with this policy, btw. That IS fake news. I wish we'd stop farking up our own momentum by posting photos of unrelated events.


Do you imagine the comments would be any different is the photo was "real"?
 
2018-06-20 08:26:20 AM  

Walker: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

Fake news....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/todd​ler-cage-photo/


It doesn't excuse the comments.
 
2018-06-20 08:29:51 AM  
1. CLASSIFICATION: All cultures have categories to distinguish people into "us and them" by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.
2. SYMBOLIZATION: We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people "Jews" or "Gypsies", or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply the symbols to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to the next stage, dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia. To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden (swastikas) as can hate speech. Group marking like gang clothing or tribal scarring can be outlawed, as well. The problem is that legal limitations will fail if unsupported by popular cultural enforcement. Though Hutu and Tutsi were forbidden words in Burundi until the 1980's, code-words replaced them. If widely supported, however, denial of symbolization can be powerful, as it was in Bulgaria, where the government refused to supply enough yellow badges and at least eighty percent of Jews did not wear them, depriving the yellow star of its significance as a Nazi symbol for Jews.
3. DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than democracies. Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.

4. ORGANIZATION:Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.
5. POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators' own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d'état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.

6. PREPARATION: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is expropriated. They are often segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. At this stage, a Genocide Emergency must be declared. If the political will of the great powers, regional alliances, or the U.N. Security Council can be mobilized, armed international intervention should be prepared, or heavy assistance provided to the victim group to prepare for its self-defense. Otherwise, at least humanitarian assistance should be organized by the U.N. and private relief groups for the inevitable tide of refugees to come.

(We are currently here)


7. EXTERMINATION begins, and quickly becomes the mass killing legally called "genocide." It is "extermination" to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. When it is sponsored by the state, the armed forces often work with militias to do the killing. Sometimes the genocide results in revenge killings by groups against each other, creating the downward whirlpool-like cycle of bilateral genocide (as in Burundi). At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection. (An unsafe "safe" area is worse than none at all.) The U.N. Standing High Readiness Brigade, EU Rapid Response Force, or regional forces -- should be authorized to act by the U.N. Security Council if the genocide is small. For larger interventions, a multilateral force authorized by the U.N. should intervene. If the U.N. is paralyzed, regional alliances must act. It is time to recognize that the international responsibility to protect transcends the narrow interests of individual nation states. If strong nations will not provide troops to intervene directly, they should provide the airlift, equipment, and financial means necessary for regional states to intervene.
8. DENIAL is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims. They block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force, when they flee into exile. There they remain with impunity, like Pol Pot or Idi Amin, unless they are captured and a tribunal is established to try them. The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts. There the evidence can be heard, and the perpetrators punished. Tribunals like the Yugoslav or Rwanda Tribunals, or an international tribunal to try the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or an International Criminal Court may not deter the worst genocidal killers. But with the political will to arrest and prosecute them, some may be brought to justice.
 
2018-06-20 08:30:38 AM  

jgilb: Walker: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

Fake news....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/todd​ler-cage-photo/

It doesn't excuse the comments.


True. I'm just saying there's enough fake news out there on Trump's side, we don't need to be putting it out also.
 
2018-06-20 08:31:23 AM  

jgilb: It doesn't excuse the comments.


But don't you dare call them deplorable.
 
2018-06-20 08:34:03 AM  

Shaggy_C: jgilb: It doesn't excuse the comments.

But don't you dare call them deplorable.


Wrong alt Wednesday.
 
2018-06-20 08:36:37 AM  

Cpl.D: Ken S.: [img.fark.net image 425x326]

One lady who had her son taken from her straight up said that she was told her son was getting a bath.  She didn't know he was being taken from her until he didn't come back.  We're already at that point.


what the f*ck. what the F*CK. what the F*******CK.
 
2018-06-20 08:36:38 AM  

jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]


I tried looking up some of those Facebook users. They don't seem to be on Facebook anymore.
 
2018-06-20 08:36:40 AM  

Walker: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

Fake news....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/todd​ler-cage-photo/


Imagine how the Trumpers would react to a real toddler in a cage.
 
2018-06-20 08:37:15 AM  
This issue has divided my Trumpet Facebook friends. 90 % have gone silent, and 2 or 3 have ramped up the rhetoric.
 
2018-06-20 08:38:45 AM  

laststarfighter: Since he love his name on hotels and apartment buildings, these should be called Trump Tender Care facility or Trump Kid Internment Camp.


The Trump Koncentraton Kamp for Kids, or Trump KKK.
 
2018-06-20 08:39:05 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

I'm not surprised in the least.  People forget there were plenty of American citizens who left the US in WWII to fight for the Third Reich.  There were enough people who liked what they did right here in the US to have the Nazi Party give a rally at Madison Square Garden.

The brownshirts have always been here.  It's only now that they have one of their own running the show that they're willingly stepping out of the shadows.


Some of them owned entire car companies.
 
2018-06-20 08:41:03 AM  

fastibartslart: Walker: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

Fake news....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/todd​ler-cage-photo/

Imagine how the Trumpers would react to a real toddler in a cage.


You don't have to imagine. The photo may be misrepresented but they don't know that. They're practically getting an erection at the sight what they think is a toddler in a cage.
 
2018-06-20 08:41:12 AM  

Walker: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

Fake news....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/todd​ler-cage-photo/


I've been assured by my conservative friends that Snopes are a bunch of libby libs who make stuff up.
 
2018-06-20 08:42:14 AM  

Catlenfell: This issue has divided my Trumpet Facebook friends. 90 % have gone silent, and 2 or 3 have ramped up the rhetoric.


It's the difference between the followers and the True Believers.

Now you know who the SuperMegaAssholes are
 
2018-06-20 08:42:46 AM  

DeaH: laststarfighter: Since he love his name on hotels and apartment buildings, these should be called Trump Tender Care facility or Trump Kid Internment Camp.

The Trump Koncentraton Kamp for Kids, or Trump KKK.


As an alternative: Trump's "Kampfy" Kennel for Kids?
 
2018-06-20 08:43:09 AM  

Catlenfell: This issue has divided my Trumpet Facebook friends. 90 % have gone silent, and 2 or 3 have ramped up the rhetoric.


My Facebook Trumpers have all jumped on abortion. "If abortion is a moral decision you should sit out the immigration debate" is the typical response.
 
2018-06-20 08:43:19 AM  

Epoch_Zero: 1. [EIGHT STAGES OF GENOCIDE] ...


When you read after-the-fact interviews with Rwandans, Bosnians, Cambodians, Germans, etc. they all say how amazingly fast it was that one day they were just ratcheting up the political and racist bullshiat, and the next day the machetes were out, people were being burned, trains were full of cages, ditches full of bodies, whatever the local experience.

The important thing to understand is that once this process starts the bodies pile up without warning, immediately, and later everybody wonders "why didn't somebody stop us when ..." WE ARE AT THAT *WHEN* RIGHT farkING NOW.
 
2018-06-20 08:46:27 AM  

Voiceofreason01: And then they blocked editing on the page


Only to anonymous users. The history tab shows an ongoing edit war among the logged-in.
 
2018-06-20 08:46:30 AM  

Lady J: I dread to think how this is being covered in RW media. I don't think I could stomach it.


Don't worry. They're barely covering it. Here's a screenshot of the Fox "News" front page:

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We got:

But her emails!
Officer friendly enforcing traffic laws.
But her emails!
Chick-fil-A is good
Trump rally
ZOMG! London violence!
But her emails!
Gloria Allred is mean.
Yay Israel!
Even those hippie-ass Californians are thinking about having cops beat more people
How ironic! Man crushed by mom's coffin!
Something about facebook
Oh, wait, there, under the yellow "FBI is teh ebil!" banner, there's something about border kids. If you scroll down a bit there's a story about detained kids (Complete with the top commenter saying, and I swear I am not making this up, "We should be hanging these people, not processing them.") but it's followed by one about people being mean to Kristen Neilssen (or whatever the fark her name is) and one about an intern yelling a curse word at Trump about this.
 
2018-06-20 08:50:13 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Lady J: I dread to think how this is being covered in RW media. I don't think I could stomach it.

Don't worry. They're barely covering it. Here's a screenshot of the Fox "News" front page:

[img.fark.net image 850x607]

We got:

But her emails!
Officer friendly enforcing traffic laws.
But her emails!
Chick-fil-A is good
Trump rally
ZOMG! London violence!
But her emails!
Gloria Allred is mean.
Yay Israel!
Even those hippie-ass Californians are thinking about having cops beat more people
How ironic! Man crushed by mom's coffin!
Something about facebook
Oh, wait, there, under the yellow "FBI is teh ebil!" banner, there's something about border kids. If you scroll down a bit there's a story about detained kids (Complete with the top commenter saying, and I swear I am not making this up, "We should be hanging these people, not processing them.") but it's followed by one about people being mean to Kristen Neilssen (or whatever the fark her name is) and one about an intern yelling a curse word at Trump about this.


'unruly Dems'... nothting worse in the world than being unruly
 
2018-06-20 08:51:46 AM  
Subby, please.

The preferred nomenclature is "Kid's Koncentration Summer Fun Kamp"
 
2018-06-20 08:52:58 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: jgilb: [img.fark.net image 850x805]

That photo of that kid has nothing to do with this policy, btw. That IS fake news. I wish we'd stop farking up our own momentum by posting photos of unrelated events.


What's not fake news is that, would it be real, those farkers would be completely ok with it.

Also, this is one case where truth actually overtook fiction. Kids ARE in cages.
 
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