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2018-06-02 3:49:42 PM  
The laws didn't apply to him in the first 70 years of his life, so why should they start now?
 
2018-06-02 3:55:21 PM  
That didn't work for Nixon or Clinton.
 
2018-06-02 4:07:49 PM  
arguing in a confidential letter that he could not possibly have committed obstruction because he has unfettered authority over all federal investigations.

Your honor, I could not have possibly robbed that bank; I'm its manager! Sure I ordered the guard to go home and took a really long lunch that day, but why would I really rob my own bank? It's not illegal if the manager does it anyway.
 
2018-06-02 4:07:54 PM  
Trump: What? Ask me questions? Don't you know who I am?
Mueller: A suspect. Speak slowly, we're recording this.
 
2018-06-02 4:15:08 PM  
In this timeline, the laws of physics, thermodynamics, gravity, relativity and pretty much everything else don't apply anymore.

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2018-06-02 4:15:57 PM  
Mr. Trump's lawyers are gambling that Mr. Mueller may not want to risk an attempt to forge new legal ground by bringing a grand jury subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding.
"Ensuring that the office remains sacred and above the fray of shifting political winds and gamesmanship is of critical importance," they wrote.

The Office of the President of the United States, after what Trump's been doing as President, is as "sacred and above the fray of shifting political winds and gamesmanship" as the Papal Office would be if Pope Francis decided to defile nuns during Satanic rituals in the Vatican while also calling the top Islamic authorities towel-headed camel-farkers and excommunicating any Catholic who failed to attend weekly Mass and tithe 10% in timely fashion, Tweeting about how all Protestants are not loyal to God all the while and how the Jews witch-hunted Jesus to death.
 
2018-06-02 4:17:49 PM  
"The president's prime function as the chief executive ought not be hampered by requests for interview," they wrote. "Having him testify demeans the office of the president before the world."
Exclusive Interview: President Trump on Fox & Friends
Youtube _lu_Hgw60Ns
Pretty sure this interview demeaned the Office of the President before the world worse than any interview with Mueller could ever do.
 
2018-06-02 4:18:55 PM  
Mr. Trump's lawyers are gambling that Mr. Mueller may not want to risk an attempt to forge new legal ground by bringing a grand jury subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding.

Jefferson was subpoenaed by a trial judge.
Nixon was subpoenaed by the Supreme Court.
Clinton was subpoenaed by a federal grand jury.

Try again, idiot brigade.
 
2018-06-02 4:20:54 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Mr. Trump's lawyers are gambling that Mr. Mueller may not want to risk an attempt to forge new legal ground by bringing a grand jury subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding.

Jefferson was subpoenaed by a trial judge.
Nixon was subpoenaed by the Supreme Court.
Clinton was subpoenaed by a federal grand jury.

Try again, idiot brigade.


You have no jurisdiction here, Canadian.  Take off back to the Great White North, ya hoser.
 
2018-06-02 4:21:50 PM  

null: NeedlesslyCanadian: Mr. Trump's lawyers are gambling that Mr. Mueller may not want to risk an attempt to forge new legal ground by bringing a grand jury subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding.

Jefferson was subpoenaed by a trial judge.
Nixon was subpoenaed by the Supreme Court.
Clinton was subpoenaed by a federal grand jury.

Try again, idiot brigade.

You have no jurisdiction here, Canadian.  Take off back to the Great White North, ya hoser.


Don't make us come down there and burn down the White House. Again.


/right damned thread this time
 
2018-06-02 4:27:21 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Mr. Trump's lawyers are gambling that Mr. Mueller may not want to risk an attempt to forge new legal ground by bringing a grand jury subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding.

Jefferson was subpoenaed by a trial judge.
Nixon was subpoenaed by the Supreme Court.
Clinton was subpoenaed by a federal grand jury.

Try again, idiot brigade.


LOL. Good luck with that rationale, Trump's legal, "the best people" team.
 
2018-06-02 4:27:46 PM  

make me some tea: That didn't work for Nixon or Clinton.


I don't really think much more needs to be said.  This has already been attempted twice in your lifetime, Donald.  You don't even have to read a history book about it, there are movies and TV shows if that's easier.
 
2018-06-02 4:37:44 PM  
This is not how innocent people behave.
 
2018-06-02 4:43:48 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: null: NeedlesslyCanadian: Mr. Trump's lawyers are gambling that Mr. Mueller may not want to risk an attempt to forge new legal ground by bringing a grand jury subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding.

Jefferson was subpoenaed by a trial judge.
Nixon was subpoenaed by the Supreme Court.
Clinton was subpoenaed by a federal grand jury.

Try again, idiot brigade.

You have no jurisdiction here, Canadian.  Take off back to the Great White North, ya hoser.

Don't make us come down there and burn down the White House. Again.


/right damned thread this time


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2018-06-02 4:47:31 PM  

null: "The president's prime function as the chief executive ought not be hampered by requests for interview," they wrote. "Having him testify demeans the office of the president before the world."
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_lu_Hgw6​0Ns] Pretty sure this interview demeaned the Office of the President before the world worse than any interview with Mueller could ever do.

Here's our official response:
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2018-06-02 4:54:18 PM  

make me some tea: null: "The president's prime function as the chief executive ought not be hampered by requests for interview," they wrote. "Having him testify demeans the office of the president before the world."
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_lu_Hgw6​0Ns] Pretty sure this interview demeaned the Office of the President before the world worse than any interview with Mueller could ever do.
Here's our official response:
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That's too much energy to respond to an interview with Trump right now.  I can barely raise my middle finger and wave it at the TV or whatever when they show him talking.
 
2018-06-02 4:54:30 PM  
FTA: They argued that the president holds a special position in the government and is busy running the country, making it difficult for him to prepare and sit for an interview.

I would guess that the Fanta Menace's attention span has much more to do with that difficulty.

Trump's days in the Oval Office are relatively short - from around 11am to 6pm, then he's back to the residence. During that time he usually has a meeting or two, but spends a good deal of time making phone calls and watching cable news in the dining room adjoining the Oval. Then he's back to the residence for more phone calls and more TV.
 
2018-06-02 4:58:32 PM  
They argued that the president holds a special position in the government and is busy running the country, making it difficult for him to prepare and sit for an interview. They said that because of those demands on Mr. Trump's time, the special counsel's office should have to clear a higher bar to get him to talk.

Pretty sure that all Mueller needs to do is present all of Trump's Tweets repeating what he heard on Fox and Friends every morning as Exhibit A that Trump has approximately 3 hours every morning free.  Exhibit B of course being the number of weekend trips to Mar-a-Lago and other places to golf, with Exhibit C being his claim that he'd be too busy running the country to go golfing, and then argue that logically, by Trump's own words and actions, Trump has plenty of time to prepare and sit for an interview.
 
2018-06-02 5:01:11 PM  
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2018-06-02 5:06:11 PM  
He's Tweeting right farking now, seems to have plenty of free time where he could be preparing for an interview with Mueller and/or a Grand Jury... just saying.
 
2018-06-02 5:08:56 PM  

make me some tea: null: "The president's prime function as the chief executive ought not be hampered by requests for interview," they wrote. "Having him testify demeans the office of the president before the world."
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_lu_Hgw6​0Ns] Pretty sure this interview demeaned the Office of the President before the world worse than any interview with Mueller could ever do.
Here's our official response:
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I see and call.

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2018-06-02 5:10:45 PM  
 
2018-06-02 5:10:57 PM  
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2018-06-02 5:12:03 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: I'm none too good at screenshots etc, but I can linkydink
It's not exactly confidence inspiring on the part of @realDonaldTrump's lawyers that their statutory (as opposed to constitutional) analysis is focused on the _wrong_ federal obstruction-of-justice statute-18 U.S.C. § 1505 instead of 18 U.S.C. § 1512:


LOLWOW
 
2018-06-02 5:15:29 PM  

foo monkey: make me some tea: null: "The president's prime function as the chief executive ought not be hampered by requests for interview," they wrote. "Having him testify demeans the office of the president before the world."
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_lu_Hgw6​0Ns] Pretty sure this interview demeaned the Office of the President before the world worse than any interview with Mueller could ever do.
Here's our official response:
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I see and call.

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I go all-in:

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2018-06-02 5:15:55 PM  

make me some tea: [img.fark.net image 850x880]


I've checked 14,000,605 timelines.

This is the only timeline where that would not immediately lead to obstruction of justice charges
 
2018-06-02 5:17:04 PM  
I'm not going to be alive in 50 years, but I think we can all predict that people then will be wondering how the hell this mockery of a presidency could have gone on this long without anyone doing something to correct it. A cabinet full of grifter toadies and a Congress full of corrupt cowards are just as complicit in this clusterfark as Trump is. Our country is farked, and I am not sure we will ever fully recover from this.
 
2018-06-02 5:25:02 PM  
If he's innocent then what has he got to hide? Surely he should testify and put his side of the story and everyone will see he is innocent, right?

/Not going to hold my breath.
//He's going to be dragged out of the oval office in handcuffs, after being tazed.
 
2018-06-02 5:42:04 PM  
Trump's legal argument, in a nutshell

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2018-06-02 5:52:21 PM  

null: The Office of the President of the United States, after what Trump's been doing as President, is as "sacred and above the fray of shifting political winds and gamesmanship" as the Papal Office would be if Pope Francis decided to defile nuns during Satanic rituals in the Vatican while also calling the top Islamic authorities towel-headed camel-farkers and excommunicating any Catholic who failed to attend weekly Mass and tithe 10% in timely fashion, Tweeting about how all Protestants are not loyal to God all the while and how the Jews witch-hunted Jesus to death.


I thought they let that pope "honorably retire" and replaced him with Francis.
 
2018-06-02 5:59:07 PM  
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2018-06-02 6:00:00 PM  

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Christ, this is slower than the steamroller scene in Austin Powers. Can this shiat end already? My liver wasn't built for this.
 
2018-06-02 6:00:16 PM  
Oh goodie.

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2018-06-02 6:14:07 PM  

make me some tea: Oh goodie.

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Don't give him any ideas, David. shiat.
 
2018-06-02 6:29:12 PM  
I wonder how long and how hard Mueller and the gang laughed as they read that letter.
 
2018-06-02 6:32:11 PM  
Oh, this game:

He didn't break no laws.
But [   ] broke some laws.
He didn't know that [   ] was a law.
Everyone breaks laws.
Fine, he broke laws, but laws don't apply.
 
2018-06-02 6:32:38 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: make me some tea: Oh goodie.

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Don't give him any ideas, David. shiat.


Yeah, what the fark, man.
 
2018-06-02 6:33:45 PM  
*cough*

'I am the law and order candidate' Donald Trump - BBC News
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2018-06-02 6:35:54 PM  

kling_klang_bed: *cough*

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"I tell you what the law is, and I order you to follow it" is how this jack ass thinks.
 
2018-06-02 6:36:07 PM  
They're also arguing that "obstruction of justice" means "obstruction of the Justice Department".

I don't know what a judge would think, but the court of public opinion could be led to agree that those are in no way the same thing.
 
2018-06-02 6:37:04 PM  
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2018-06-02 6:37:43 PM  
The laws in the US apply to everyone, including the President.
 
2018-06-02 6:40:46 PM  

chuggernaught: The laws in the US apply to everyone, including the President.


At this point, Trump could've shot someone on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight with witnesses all around and he'd still be POTUS and we'd all be arguing over whether it constitutes a murder charge.

I mean, that's where we're at here.
 
2018-06-02 6:41:09 PM  
That's not a problem. He can't be compelled to testify against himself either.
So Mueller will just go wtih what he has, which is plenty.

I would love to get into a room alone with Trump for five minutes, live streamed onto the internet.
Maybe facebook live? This peon pissant of a mut of a slob would be immune from all laws while in that room and I would not be, apparently. No biggie.
I'd like to "ask" him a few "things."
 
2018-06-02 6:41:38 PM  
Enough about his Lawyers. His tailor should be shot.

That suit is horrid. He looks like church bell wrapped in blue polyester.
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2018-06-02 6:41:39 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Don't make us come down there and burn down the White House. Again.


You idea the kind of fumes would get released if you burned Trump's nest? Cheeto dust and jizz (holdover from Clinton era).
 
2018-06-02 6:42:00 PM  

chuggernaught: The laws in the US apply to everyone, including the President.


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2018-06-02 6:42:05 PM  
Mr. Trump's lawyers fear that if he answers questions, either voluntarily or in front of a grand jury, he risks exposing himself to accusations of lying to investigators, a potential crime or impeachable offense.

Maybe he should try not farking lying, then?

Mr. Trump's broad interpretation of executive authority is novel and is likely to be tested if a court battle ensues over whether he could be ordered to answer questions.

Yet he liked to accuse Obama of "acting like a dictator". So, once again, something that was wrong when Obama did it, but something he's totes cool with doing himself. The added annoying factor is that Obama never actually acted like a dictator, but Humpty Trumpty can't go a day without doing it.
 
2018-06-02 6:42:32 PM  
I'm glad the modern Republican party wasn't around in 1776. We'd all be speaking English right now.

You know, "properly."
 
2018-06-02 6:43:05 PM  

scottydoesntknow: make me some tea: [img.fark.net image 850x880]

I've checked 14,000,605 timelines.

This is the only timeline where that would not immediately lead to obstruction of justice charges


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