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(WESH Orlando)   Apparently, he was 3 months away from his $100,000/year retirement. The Broward deputy has seen enough movies to know what would have happened if he had intervened   ( wesh.com) divider line
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2018-05-16 09:46:17 PM  
Seems like you'd get bored after the first 10,000 years or so.
 
2018-05-16 11:23:18 PM  
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2018-05-17 12:07:37 AM  
Even if he went in, maybe he would've just gotten killed if he's without back-up so his death would've been pointless and the crazy killer would have still killed people.
 
2018-05-17 12:09:30 AM  
And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat
 
2018-05-17 12:09:43 AM  
Why in hell are deputies pulling down six figure pensions to begin with?
 
2018-05-17 12:10:56 AM  
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2018-05-17 12:12:46 AM  
Clearly he was getting too old for that shiat.
 
2018-05-17 12:14:07 AM  

GreenSun: Even if he went in, maybe he would've just gotten killed if he's without back-up so his death would've been pointless and the crazy killer would have still killed people.


And maybe he would've stopped the shooter and became a national hero.

Or or maybe a meteorite comes through the roof and squishes him.

OR maybe he slips on a banana peel on the way in, falls and accidentally fires his gun and it ricochets around the school in a Rube Boldberg machine-like fashion and a bucket ends up falling on the shooter's head!

This is fun innit?
 
2018-05-17 12:14:38 AM  

omnimancer28: Why in hell are deputies pulling down six figure pensions to begin with?


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2018-05-17 12:15:38 AM  

Ravage: [img.fark.net image 375x750]


Get good.
 
2018-05-17 12:17:27 AM  
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Shame. He had one more day until retirement.
 
2018-05-17 12:19:48 AM  

voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat


That his pension is 6 figures? Or that he's getting it?

Even companies without unions have rules upon which the pension is based, and rules under which you can lose it.
 
2018-05-17 12:27:10 AM  

GDubDub: voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat

That his pension is 6 figures? Or that he's getting it?

Even companies without unions have rules upon which the pension is based, and rules under which you can lose it.


Companies without a union in the USA that still have a pension?

I'm skeptical.
 
2018-05-17 12:29:18 AM  
A Florida sheriff's deputy who failed to confront a gunman during a Feb. 14 school massacre is receiving a monthly state pension of $8,702.35.

Good. Maybe we need to make them retire a bit sooner than 55 to help prevent this from happening.  Being a cop shouldn't be a full-time, long-term job anyway; you see too much of the worst side of society and people for too long.  That's probably a large part of what makes some of them go insane 10 years in.

I see it in online communities where I am or have been an admin/moderator/whatever-title-for-the​-position-of-power, so I'm certain it happens in real life with graver consequences.  People basically go one of 3 paths once they are in a "cop" position:

1.) too dedicated, and they non-destructively burn out and decide to go something else, sometimes abruptly;
2.) too dedicated, and they get frustrated that "nothing changes" or perceive things "getting worse" and destructively burn out by breaking rules (go crazy) or they get overly strict/rude/impersonal to "force" a change in whatever annoys them the most; or
3.) dedicated at first, then relax and realize things won't ever be perfect but you do what you can without breaking everything and realize some stuff is out of your hands.

Cops should solely consist of #1 and #3, while #2 is the danger zone where you have black kids getting shot by racist assholes (and generally unpleasant encounters).  We, as a society, need to make the #1 and #3 thing happen by paying them more, making them work less, repealing stupid laws, forcing them to do more non-cop community interaction for a larger part of their week, giving them exit options, and hiring smarter people.  The 9-to-5+, 30-year commitment enforcing "drug crime" (et al) simply breeds #2s and, as it would happen, #1s in this situation.

Anyway, long story short, yeah, it sucks this guy didn't do something when he could have, but you know what? We aren't doing anything either, and he neither should be retiring penniless nor have to be facing down shooters--shooters that we can basically make almost nom-existent if we all gave a shiat and changed a few laws--when he's likely got a family and has already been a nervous wreck during every encounter with someone for decades prior... again, in large part due to the society (and laws) we made, however bullshiat.
 
2018-05-17 12:29:57 AM  

voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat


GDubDub: that his pension is 6 figures? Or that he's getting it?

The first one.

He retires in his 50s with a lifetime upper middle class income.
 
2018-05-17 12:32:54 AM  
Mendoza!
 
2018-05-17 12:33:55 AM  

GreenSun: Even if he went in, maybe he would've just gotten killed if he's without back-up so his death would've been pointless and the crazy killer would have still killed people.


Probably, but the current SOP is that everyone goes in and engages as soon as there is an active shooter.  The experience has been most active shooters kill themselves as soon as they know the police are there.  This is thought to be because active shooting is seen as a way for people who have no control over their lives, to try and take control of the world around them, at least for a temporary while.  Police show up with guns, and they are suddenly no longer in control of fate.  Yeah sure, AR-15 trumps glock, but they are now being resisted, and they don't like that.  Taking their own life in that situation is a final act of control.  Then again, many of them are not playing by that script anymore, so who knows.  Maybe we just need better options in the hands of the responding cops and less firepower in the hands of the shooters.
 
2018-05-17 12:35:00 AM  

GreenSun: Even if he went in, maybe he would've just gotten killed if he's without back-up so his death would've been pointless and the crazy killer would have still killed people.


If you could live with that sure. I don't think many could
 
2018-05-17 12:35:02 AM  

jaytkay: voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat

GDubDub: that his pension is 6 figures? Or that he's getting it?

The first one.

He retires in his 50s with a lifetime upper middle class income.


Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.

If you are making less, the corporations are screwing you.
 
2018-05-17 12:36:00 AM  
At least we got rid of the farking coward.
 
2018-05-17 12:39:34 AM  

GreenSun: Even if he went in, maybe he would've just gotten killed if he's without back-up so his death would've been pointless and the crazy killer would have still killed people.


Well this moran didn't even win a "you tried" ribbon. I say never let him forget it.
 
2018-05-17 12:41:36 AM  
It's funny how no one screams and complains if a douchebag gets to keep his IRA or 401k.  Pensions are earned for past work, not voided if you get fired.  But, by all means, feel free to complain about the size of the pension.
 
2018-05-17 12:42:16 AM  
Where is my 100K a year I've stared down one gun, and multiple knives, wait I'm not a capo
 
2018-05-17 12:42:26 AM  

omnimancer28: Why in hell are deputies pulling down six figure pensions to begin with?


It's very common for cops in the suburbs around NYC to retire with $100K pensions including full medical and survivor benefits.  Of course most people are shocked when they hear about this.  The fact is that the cop union PR departments would make Joseph Gobbles envious.
 
2018-05-17 12:44:08 AM  

Ravage: Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.


You know how I know you are a child unfamiliar with American life?

Average household income in the US is $57,000.
 
2018-05-17 12:48:04 AM  

jaytkay: Ravage: Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.

You know how I know you are a child unfamiliar with American life?

Average household income in the US is $57,000.


'Median' not 'average'.  Half of households in the us bring less than $57K a year.
 
2018-05-17 12:48:44 AM  

Watubi: It's funny how no one screams and complains if a douchebag gets to keep his IRA or 401k.  Pensions are earned for past work, not voided if you get fired.  But, by all means, feel free to complain about the size of the pension.


The difference is I don't get to collect on a bloated pension that is massively underfunded and will eventually have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.
 
2018-05-17 12:49:41 AM  
so your saying that cops on average retire with twice the average income of someone that works.?
 
2018-05-17 12:51:39 AM  

Ravage: [img.fark.net image 375x750]


You have to buy an American PC to read American news sites. /s

/why do I have a feeling this will actually be a thing one day..
 
2018-05-17 12:53:13 AM  
I guess he was too old for that shiat.
 
2018-05-17 12:53:53 AM  

tyyreaunn: Clearly he was getting too old for that shiat.


I was too late again
 
2018-05-17 12:58:12 AM  
Make their pay and benefits good enough, and they're harder to get on the take. And this guy started in the high point of cocain in Florida.
 
2018-05-17 01:00:38 AM  

Fissile: 'Median' not 'average'.  Half of households in the us bring less than $57K a year.


Correct, thank you. Median income is about $57K.

The commenter who thinks "everyone" is making 6 figures is a spoiled child.
 
2018-05-17 01:00:43 AM  
Mass shooting at a graduation practice was stopped today in Illinois.  Didn't even make breaking news on major news sites, nobody died.
 
2018-05-17 01:01:56 AM  

jaytkay: Fissile: 'Median' not 'average'.  Half of households in the us bring less than $57K a year.

Correct, thank you. Median income is about $57K.

The commenter who thinks "everyone" is making 6 figures is a spoiled child.


Commenter said ought to be, not is.
 
2018-05-17 01:04:18 AM  

voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat


This is what unions are supposed to do: negotiate a fair compensation package for its employees. Well, just fark it, why should anyone have a dignified retirement based on decades of public service when that was the deal you signed up for.
 
2018-05-17 01:06:38 AM  
 
2018-05-17 01:08:50 AM  

balko: Commenter said ought to be, not is.


"ought to be" meaning everyone below 200% of the median is a failure.

Commenter is a spoiled child.
 
2018-05-17 01:14:26 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Mass shooting at a graduation practice was stopped today in Illinois.  Didn't even make breaking news on major news sites, nobody died.


Yeah, but it was just practice.

I assume the actual mass shooting at a graduation comes later.
 
2018-05-17 01:16:54 AM  

omnimancer28: Why in hell are deputies pulling down six figure pensions to begin with?


'Murica, that's why.
 
2018-05-17 01:18:35 AM  

Fissile: jaytkay: Ravage: Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.

You know how I know you are a child unfamiliar with American life?

Average household income in the US is $57,000.

'Median' not 'average'.  Half of households in the us bring less than $57K a year.


And many of those households are out in the middle of nowhere, so that median figure isn't that meaningful.
 
2018-05-17 01:20:08 AM  

OgreMagi: Watubi: It's funny how no one screams and complains if a douchebag gets to keep his IRA or 401k.  Pensions are earned for past work, not voided if you get fired.  But, by all means, feel free to complain about the size of the pension.

The difference is I don't get to collect on a bloated pension that is massively underfunded and will eventually have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.


How is it bloated? What should it be? What is your formula for determining what it should be? The government that offered said pension should honor its promise and pay said pension. It's not bloated, it is what was agreed upon, and should be honored by the city/county gov'ts that offered them. Don't offer x, then say, OMG x is bloated, now you must only get w!  The time to set pension benefits is when the contract is offered, not after the fact. Bait and switch and such. People take public service jobs often because of the benefits--not the salaries. Because of the large labor pool, public sector jobs can offer decent benefits where they cannot offer competitive salaries vis-a-vis the private sector, which offers better salary but worse benefits/pensions. Random company A only employs a few hundred, whereas city B employs thousands. Of course, big states ramp that up quite a bit more...

And yes, taxpayers pay all the public pensions. This is by design.
 
2018-05-17 01:22:42 AM  
Pensions should all be contribution-based, not guaranteed payout.  In Chicago, the police only pay in about 6% of what the guaranteed payout is.  The taxpayers have to foot the rest of the bill.
 
2018-05-17 01:31:35 AM  
And this is why cops shoot first now. They are not longer people who work as cops because of a sense of duty and service to their community. They do it for the money.
 
2018-05-17 01:35:40 AM  

seelorq: OgreMagi: Watubi: It's funny how no one screams and complains if a douchebag gets to keep his IRA or 401k.  Pensions are earned for past work, not voided if you get fired.  But, by all means, feel free to complain about the size of the pension.

The difference is I don't get to collect on a bloated pension that is massively underfunded and will eventually have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.

How is it bloated? What should it be? What is your formula for determining what it should be? The government that offered said pension should honor its promise and pay said pension. It's not bloated, it is what was agreed upon, and should be honored by the city/county gov'ts that offered them. Don't offer x, then say, OMG x is bloated, now you must only get w!  The time to set pension benefits is when the contract is offered, not after the fact. Bait and switch and such. People take public service jobs often because of the benefits--not the salaries. Because of the large labor pool, public sector jobs can offer decent benefits where they cannot offer competitive salaries vis-a-vis the private sector, which offers better salary but worse benefits/pensions. Random company A only employs a few hundred, whereas city B employs thousands. Of course, big states ramp that up quite a bit more...

And yes, taxpayers pay all the public pensions. This is by design.


Private sector pension payouts are based on investment and growth.  Public sector pensions are based on unicorn farts and taxpayer bailouts.
 
2018-05-17 01:39:23 AM  
"Sorry, this content is not available in your region."

I swear the internet is so stupid sometimes.
 
2018-05-17 01:39:38 AM  

Harry_Seldon: voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat

This is what unions are supposed to do: negotiate a fair compensation package for its employees. Well, just fark it, why should anyone have a dignified retirement based on decades of public service when that was the deal you signed up for.


Agreed. The irony is that Florida is a "right to work" state. Unions are frowned on, and trying to organize one is a sure way to find yourself unemployed. Cops, Firefighters and some of the specialized trades, like Steamfitters and some other jobs are unionized. The rest of us get the shaft. And governor Skeletor made sure to gut unemployment so you get less over a shorter period of time and it's harder to qualify for. And tried to drug test people on unemployment,
 
2018-05-17 01:39:42 AM  

Fissile: jaytkay: Ravage: Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.

You know how I know you are a child unfamiliar with American life?

Average household income in the US is $57,000.

'Median' not 'average'.  Half of households in the us bring less than $57K a year.


Should != does

If you correlate the median and mean incomes from 1947 from this site
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source​=web&rct=j&url=https://www.russellsage​.org/sites/all/files/chartbook/Income%​2520and%2520Earnings.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjS​r9e0gYzbAhWJNpoKHT_gDusQFjAAegQIBBAB&u​sg=AOvVaw1IrzVK8ZW_5042SduAM15e

And adjust them for inflation per this site
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/​

You get a low of the median individual income of $180k and a high of the mean family income of $358k.
Either shows a 6 figure income "should" be normal in today's economy.
It isn't normal due to supressed wages, not because it is not deserved. Looking down on ppl because the are getting nearly half what they should be getting is just plain wrong.
 
2018-05-17 01:41:35 AM  

Ravage: jaytkay: voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat

GDubDub: that his pension is 6 figures? Or that he's getting it?

The first one.

He retires in his 50s with a lifetime upper middle class income.

Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.

If you are making less, the corporations are screwing you.


umm that would be most people in the United States who don't  make 6 figures.
 
2018-05-17 01:42:37 AM  

SewerRatOps: Ravage: jaytkay: voodoomedic: And this is one more reason cop unions are bullshiat

GDubDub: that his pension is 6 figures? Or that he's getting it?

The first one.

He retires in his 50s with a lifetime upper middle class income.

Um, your state of mind is the bullshiat. Everyone should be at 6 figure retirements/pensions and/or incomes by their 40's. Anything less is below reasonable income levels adjusted for inflation.

If you are making less, the corporations are screwing you.

umm that would be most people in the United States who don't  make 6 figures.


I agree. Most everyone is getting screwed
 
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