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2018-05-16 08:50:11 AM  
Patriarchy says what?

 
2018-05-16 09:09:50 AM  
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2018-05-16 11:52:55 AM  
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2018-05-16 12:14:39 PM  
Those Vatican urinals aren't going to clean themselves, no matter what kind of magic the Pope claims to have.
 
2018-05-16 12:38:48 PM  
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2018-05-16 12:42:09 PM  
If you read TFA, it's about *CLOISTERED* nuns:

The Holy See has told the Catholic Church's 38,000 cloistered nuns that too much tweeting and downloading news intrudes on a life of prayer and contemplation.

That means nuns that are in a convent/monastery specifically for the purpose of being away from society for contemplative prayer.  If they are tweeting about current events and the like, they're not actually doing what they are supposed to be doing.

It doesn't seem to apply to the nuns out there in the real world, doing real world things like teaching and the like.
 
2018-05-16 12:44:06 PM  
What does God need with a Twitter Account?

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2018-05-16 12:44:56 PM  
It's probably difficult for them with the celibacy and all.
 
2018-05-16 12:46:19 PM  
#God
 
2018-05-16 12:48:54 PM  
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2018-05-16 12:49:22 PM  

dittybopper: If you read TFA, it's about *CLOISTERED* nuns:

The Holy See has told the Catholic Church's 38,000 cloistered nuns that too much tweeting and downloading news intrudes on a life of prayer and contemplation.

That means nuns that are in a convent/monastery specifically for the purpose of being away from society for contemplative prayer.  If they are tweeting about current events and the like, they're not actually doing what they are supposed to be doing.

It doesn't seem to apply to the nuns out there in the real world, doing real world things like teaching and the like.


So what you're saying is we need some sort of device which converts prayer into tweets...

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drp
2018-05-16 12:51:43 PM  
As a heathen unbelieving athiest who hates Twitter and Facebook and most everything social media (Fark is antisocial media), I don't really have that strong an opinion on this. Beyond the obvious comedic potential in regards to our Commander In Chief.

However, it sounds totally reasonable for the church to offer guidance to nuns. They have freely chosen a life of obedience and relative quiet. Certainly some statement from the church about the potential for social media to interfere with that life is reasonable.

So whence the facepalm tag?
 
2018-05-16 12:52:04 PM  
"the women should be silent on the internets, for they are not permitted to tweet, but are to submit themselves, as the law also says."
 
2018-05-16 12:58:59 PM  

ChipNASA: What does God need with a Twitter Account?

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Ask him yourself :p
 
2018-05-16 01:01:10 PM  

drp: As a heathen unbelieving athiest who hates Twitter and Facebook and most everything social media (Fark is antisocial media), I don't really have that strong an opinion on this. Beyond the obvious comedic potential in regards to our Commander In Chief.

However, it sounds totally reasonable for the church to offer guidance to nuns. They have freely chosen a life of obedience and relative quiet. Certainly some statement from the church about the potential for social media to interfere with that life is reasonable.

So whence the facepalm tag?


Same.  They signed up for this gig, and as far as I know they can walk away from it as well.  I get direction from my bosses every day.  Sounds like they are getting the same.
 
2018-05-16 01:05:14 PM  
I have it on good authority that god doesn't care whether or not they tweet.
 
2018-05-16 01:06:30 PM  
My bosses say the same thing about Fark.  Don't care.  Behind 7 proxies.
 
2018-05-16 01:07:54 PM  
FTFA: ....on a life of prayer and contemplation.

what a waste of the gift you've been given, regardless of where you believe it came from.
 
2018-05-16 01:11:47 PM  
Mother superior gathered the nuns together.
"I found a condom near the alter".
49 nuns go "teeheehee".
"It has a hole in it".
One nun goes OOOPS
 
2018-05-16 01:14:55 PM  
"Oh yeah, trollin' satan."

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/Seriously? No one yet?
 
2018-05-16 01:15:58 PM  

SirEattonHogg: My bosses say the same thing about Fark.  Don't care.  Behind 7 proxies.


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2018-05-16 01:19:58 PM  
I misread that as Nunes.

/He should stop tweeting as well.
 
2018-05-16 01:20:44 PM  
Pope is concerned that some nuns have gotten into bad habits.
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2018-05-16 01:21:03 PM  
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2018-05-16 01:21:14 PM  
Tweeting Penguins? Who would of thunk.
 
2018-05-16 01:24:08 PM  

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2018-05-16 01:31:36 PM  

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Technically that does not take the Lord's name in vain, so she's good to go.
 
2018-05-16 01:31:56 PM  
For those who DRTFA, the Vatican basically asked a bunch of nuns what the guidelines should be and then wrote them up. They're not exactly unreasonable - Don't be on social media all day, every day; don't let it get in the way of your work; don't be an idiot when you're posting stuff.
 
2018-05-16 01:39:29 PM  
Nuns take vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience.

Priests only take vows of chastity and obedience, and they were not allowed to marry so that when they died
the church inherited their property.

How fortuitous for the church.
 
2018-05-16 01:44:58 PM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Mother superior gathered the nuns together.
"I found a condom near the alter".
49 nuns go "teeheehee".
"It has a hole in it".
One nun goes OOOPS


"its the cobblestones'
 
2018-05-16 02:00:05 PM  
My tweeting habits are nun of your business.

What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits


Spirit
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2018-05-16 02:18:58 PM  
So, nobody else misread that as 'twerking?"
 
2018-05-16 02:28:59 PM  
From the Vatican rulebook (linked in the source)
· This obligation also applies to monasteries associated with a male institute or united in an autonomous monastic congregation.

I'm interpreting that to mean monks have to follow this too, so is Newsweek just trying to spin up some feminists or something?
 
2018-05-16 02:56:56 PM  
I suspect more TInder
 
2018-05-16 02:57:12 PM  

Gig103: From the Vatican rulebook (linked in the source)
· This obligation also applies to monasteries associated with a male institute or united in an autonomous monastic congregation.

I'm interpreting that to mean monks have to follow this too, so is Newsweek just trying to spin up some feminists or something?


Probably.
 
2018-05-16 03:06:07 PM  

drp: As a heathen unbelieving athiest who hates Twitter and Facebook and most everything social media (Fark is antisocial media), I don't really have that strong an opinion on this. Beyond the obvious comedic potential in regards to our Commander In Chief.

However, it sounds totally reasonable for the church to offer guidance to nuns. They have freely chosen a life of obedience and relative quiet. Certainly some statement from the church about the potential for social media to interfere with that life is reasonable.

So whence the facepalm tag?


Well, it mostly stems from the fact that 'nun' is...kind of the only adult position open to a woman who wants to go into religion as a career as a Catholic. (You can be an altar server or lay reader, but that's not a career, and altar serving is very much a kiddie thing where I grew up. Depends on how high-ranking the person performing the Mass is. Kids do it for priests; for a Bishop or some such, you grab an adult.) Also, generally speaking, if you put a house full of women together and hand them Jesus' actual teachings, they'll start actually following it. Nuns are usually the most radical of the clergy, and often are the best place to go for any kind of Catholic advice, protests, or suchlike. So generally, when they're taking to things like Twitter, it's because they're spreading the word of their god in a modern setting.

That said, I'm not sure why cloistered nuns are doing it. Possibly cloistered settings aren't really good for a person's mental health, and they need outside stimulation--I haven't seen any studies on it, but I do know that humans are radically social and stimulus-driven animals, so it would make sense. The Vatican should probably check into that.

/Nuns are pretty rad
//I don't know where the 'evil teacher' stereotype came from, because that's pretty nonexistant these days
///nowadays they do things like throw blood on nukes and give kids condoms and straight-talk sex ed
 
2018-05-16 03:08:20 PM  

vudukungfu: Patriarchy says what?


If you RTFA you'd know it said what the women religious asked it to say.  Most sisters and nuns I've met are vocal feminists who chose a specific life.

Common misunderstanding, but the sisters taking the selfie in the article are most likely not nuns.  Nuns are cloistered.  They live primarily within their convent.  The general public doesn't often interact with them, although lots of monasteries and convents do offer things like retreats, spiritual direction, and liturgies open to the public.  The whole being totally cut off from the world to disappear behind the walls forever isn't exactly what it looks like these days.  Lots of the orders out there are on social media.

The women in the picture are likely sisters.  They are similar, but their vocation is to be in the world.  Their work looks more like corporal works of mercy and charity.  Medical workers, teachers, charity workers etc.  One of the researchers at CERN is a Dominican Sister.  I think a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that the honorific for both nuns and sisters is 'Sr.'

And as said by many, already in this thread, what the document actually says is that they should use prudence in their use of social media, that it be something that enhances their ministry and vocation, not something that distracts them from it, not that they should stay away from the evil internets.
 
2018-05-16 03:09:32 PM  

meanmutton: For those who DRTFA, the Vatican basically asked a bunch of nuns what the guidelines should be and then wrote them up. They're not exactly unreasonable - Don't be on social media all day, every day; don't let it get in the way of your work; don't be an idiot when you're posting stuff.


Hey, drp, think this might be part of it--asshole coworkers spoiling it for the rest of them.

/still think someone should look into how healthy cloistered life is for people
//that...just doesn't sound like a great idea
 
2018-05-16 03:17:49 PM  

PsiChick: Well, it mostly stems from the fact that 'nun' is...kind of the only adult position open to a woman who wants to go into religion as a career as a Catholic. (You can be an altar server or lay reader, but that's not a career, and altar serving is very much a kiddie thing where I grew up. Depends on how high-ranking the person performing the Mass is. Kids do it for priests; for a Bishop or some such, you grab an adult.) Also, generally speaking, if you put a house full of women together and hand them Jesus' actual teachings, they'll start actually following it. Nuns are usually the most radical of the clergy, and often are the best place to go for any kind of Catholic advice, protests, or suchlike. So generally, when they're taking to things like Twitter, it's because they're spreading the word of their god in a modern setting.


A lot of what you are saying is true... nuns and sisters do tend to be pretty badass, and religious orders in general tend to be more radical than the main parts of the church.  However, nuns are clergy, they are lay, just like monks.  Second, you won't often find nuns at things like protests because all nuns are cloistered.  If they aren't cloistered they are sisters, not nuns.  Also, the document explicitly said that enhancing communication is a good use of it.

That said, I'm not sure why cloistered nuns are doing it. Possibly cloistered settings aren't really good for a person's mental health, and they need outside stimulation--I haven't seen any studies on it, but I do know that humans are radically social and stimulus-driven animals, so it would make sense. The Vatican should probably check into that.

Cloistered probably doesn't mean quite what you think it does here.  There are silent/solitary type orders, but they are very rare, and for most people they are not a good, healthy fit.  Most cloistered houses I've been to are very social.  The sisterhood in them is one of the things that draws people to them.  Most of them also have doors that are open to the public for prayer, counselling, retreats, etc, at least some of the time.  I'm friends with a handful of Redemptorstines (nuns associated with the Redemptorists).  They are cloistered, but active on social media, promoting beauty in nature, social justice etc.  They also advertise the prayer services and retreats they offer, and promote the work they do within the convent.  The ones I know also make the hosts for Mass, so part of their work is labouring at that.  What I've experience with nuns is primarily joy.  Generally the women who find it's not for them or don't want to be there leave.  It's why the processes to join are long and rigorous, involving several temporary stages, including the novitiate and multiple rounds of temporary vows.
 
2018-05-16 03:18:28 PM  

foxy_canuck: what the women religious asked it to say.


see also: Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2018-05-16 03:18:39 PM  
Dammit... typo.  Aren't clergy.  They are not clergy.
 
2018-05-16 03:20:12 PM  

vudukungfu: foxy_canuck: what the women religious asked it to say.

see also: Stockholm Syndrome.


I don't think that means what you think it means.  Either that or you are totally ignorant about what religious life for women and men in the Catholic Church is about... I'm guessing both.
 
2018-05-16 03:43:20 PM  

PsiChick: /still think someone should look into how healthy cloistered life is for people
//that...just doesn't sound like a great idea


Really?  Because they tend to live longer than average, you know.
 
2018-05-16 04:15:07 PM  

foxy_canuck: vudukungfu: foxy_canuck: what the women religious asked it to say.

see also: Stockholm Syndrome.

I don't think that means what you think it means.  Either that or you are totally ignorant about what religious life for women and men in the Catholic Church is about... I'm guessing both.


I know what I read in the papers.
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2018-05-17 02:36:18 AM  

foxy_canuck: vudukungfu: foxy_canuck: what the women religious asked it to say.

see also: Stockholm Syndrome.

I don't think that means what you think it means.  Either that or you are totally ignorant about what religious life for women and men in the Catholic Church is about... I'm guessing both.


The Nuns in cabins 45 and 47 have complained about the Nuns in cabin 46.

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