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(Washington Post)   New Christian tour available in Washington, D.C. vows to do what others have been too afraid to attempt: Tell the untold story of how a persecuted Christian minority overcame oppression to help found a great nation that still does not accept them   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2018-05-16 01:13:13 AM  
Are. You. farking. KIDDING ME?!?!
 
2018-05-16 02:47:54 AM  
So...this is about BLACK Christians, right? Because we got shiatloads of evidence for that narrative.
 
2018-05-16 04:02:34 AM  
"America is exceptional," McDowell continued. "This nation was unlike any in history."

Yeah. A normal empire could be compared to Rome, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, Spain, etc.... We're exceptional in that you have to tack "but dumber" on to the end to all of those to accurately reflect our flavor.
 
2018-05-16 06:44:49 AM  
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2018-05-16 06:45:03 AM  
*snicker*
 
2018-05-16 06:46:43 AM  
It's a cult!
 
2018-05-16 06:47:34 AM  
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"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
 
2018-05-16 06:49:27 AM  
Did David Cameron write this?
 
2018-05-16 06:53:43 AM  
Up with America tour is over folks. Orange shiatgibbon out front should have told you.
 
2018-05-16 06:55:03 AM  
"A lot of people are trying to rewrite history," said Brent Crumpton, a dentist who joined his 13-year-old son, Tucker, on the trip.

How right he was.
 
2018-05-16 06:55:12 AM  
Look at the picture with all the kids wearing their USA sweatshirts. Those people don't pray to the Christian god. They pray to America.
 
2018-05-16 06:56:13 AM  
Ftfa: "What happened in 1492?" McDowell asked the students on the bus.
"Columbus sailed the ocean blue!" they shouted back.
Most people know that part, he said, but they don't know that Christopher Columbus toward the end of his life wrote something called "The Book of Prophecies," which contained hundreds of biblical scriptures and promoted the spread of Christianity throughout the world.


Never mind the enslavement and systematic murder of millions of natives
 
2018-05-16 06:58:03 AM  
Until very recently we "Christians" were super oppressed. But GAWD heard our prayers and sent us Donald Trump so we could realize the end of oppression.

/ this is what some "Christians" actually believe
 
2018-05-16 06:58:59 AM  

RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."


Then why did the Founding Fathers write "One Nation, Under GOD" into our Pledge of Allegiance?

You probably can't see this, but as of this moment, I am holding up my fingers, to indicate that yes, "Mikey 1, Fark 0".  It's perhaps even more impressive that I am still able to type while I am doing this, but hey, I am full of surprises.
 
2018-05-16 06:59:18 AM  
Indoctrination is criminal abuse. There is no other way to phrase it.

Future delusional farkwads of the world UNTIE!
 
2018-05-16 06:59:43 AM  

RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."


There you go, using "facts" and "evidence-based reality" to willfully oppress these poor, outnumbered christians. Even if the things you say are true, the treaty was signed by a bunch of heathen moose limbs, and it's perfectly okay for christians to abrogate any agreements with non-christians.

There's a reason other tours don't tell the "story" from TFA- it's demonstrably full of shiat. They also don't mention the intervention of high-tech aliens from Omicron Persei 8 against the British during the American Revolution, nor that Captain Nemo was responsible for reducing the British maritime combat advantage in the war of 1812. These stories are not included in anyone's tour or historical guides because they are also bullshiat.

Who the buttered fark approved the "hero" tag for this load of crap?
 
2018-05-16 07:01:28 AM  

RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."


I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?
 
2018-05-16 07:02:40 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Indoctrination is criminal abuse. There is no other way to phrase it.

Future delusional farkwads of the world UNTIE!


They know they can't sell their bullshiat to adults, so poisoning the minds of children is the only way their toxic ideology can continue.  And there's almost nothing we can do about it.
 
2018-05-16 07:04:44 AM  

Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?


Yeah it's based on kkk ideology,  people forget that the Klan is big into anti-Catholicism
 
2018-05-16 07:07:38 AM  
Tour Awful, ends at a great American Restaurant.

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2018-05-16 07:09:40 AM  
Victimhood is internet currency. They're learning.the game.
 
2018-05-16 07:09:56 AM  

Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?


It's based on the fact that Catholics are heretics of the highest order. They are actually worse than people who don't believe in Jebus at alll because they don't believe in our specific asshole Jebus.

/ basically, they really don't like the Pope or the Catholic Church
 
2018-05-16 07:10:29 AM  
Older empires would put them on rickety boats and say "Good luck finding a new home."
 
2018-05-16 07:11:02 AM  
They're getting $1k a head for peddling this crap? Damn, I should become a Christian so I can ditch these stupid morals that keep me from fleecing the ignorant...
 
2018-05-16 07:13:52 AM  

Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?


Some of the more hardcore, benighted, and backward Protestant sects like to insist that all the other sects aren't actually Christian and will be going to Hell. Traditional Southern "revival" tent shiat.
 
2018-05-16 07:14:30 AM  

Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?


It's pretty standard anti-Catholicism of the protestant tradition (not that all protestants still indulge in it). It builds off the notion that was a driver of the Reformation that the Catholic Church had wandered away from the Bible and innovated many non-biblical beliefs and practices (e.g. a celibate clergy, saints, bishops, etc.).

So, that's pretty old school Protestant-Catholic conflict.
 
2018-05-16 07:14:58 AM  
And to think, Pence just said that Christianity is on the rise, and that people attending church regularly is 4 times higher than when the nation was founded! The dumbass just capped devote Christianity at 25% at our nations founding.
 
2018-05-16 07:15:59 AM  

AcademGreen: Older empires would put them on rickety boats and say "Good luck finding a new home."


Feeding them to lions is also an option....

/ They're always banging on about Christians getting fed to lions anyway; they might as well know what they are talking about....
 
2018-05-16 07:16:26 AM  

RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."


Also worth noting that the treaty was ratified unanimously and negotiations for it started under Washington himself.
 
2018-05-16 07:18:14 AM  
"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" - James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments
 
2018-05-16 07:21:16 AM  
I predict over 400 posts containing well-reasoned, thoughtful, courteous and diverse opinions in this thread.
 
2018-05-16 07:21:59 AM  
Well, if that's the   only   ridiculous and easily disprovable thing these Christians believe, then I say leave em alone
 
2018-05-16 07:22:51 AM  

Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?


It's based on re-imagining of Catholicism.  While there are significant differences between Catholics and say, Evangelicals, the dominant Christian religion in America for most of American history was Anglican, followed by things like Lutheran and Presbyterianism, which are basically just Catholicism, but without the pope.

It should also be noted that Unitarianism was a huge religion at the time of the American Revolution, up until the Great Awakening in the early 19th century, and Unitarianism rejects the ideas of Jesus being divine, or that any holy book is actually from god, and that God is simply a creator figure who is largely not a major part of our day to day life.  In fact, during the Battle of Concord and Lexington, the British took special effort to loot and ransack Unitarian Churches and even had arrest warrants for Unitarian ministers, because Unitarianism was seen as a major component of the Rebel movement, though this may have just been the British back in London seeing a boogyman in a strange and misunderstood, new faith.
 
2018-05-16 07:23:17 AM  
The girl's mother, Jennifer Averette, said it was her first trip to Washington and that she had heard the monuments were strategically placed to form a cross. (Historians say Pierre L'Enfant did not employ this concept when he planned the city in the early 1790s.)
*sigh*

"The Bible should shape policy, because that's how America was founded," she said.

Oh, like this part:  Leviticus 19: 33 "'When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

Right, Mrs. Averette?
 
2018-05-16 07:26:50 AM  
"The Bible should shape policy, because that's how America was founded," she said.

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
Source: Letter of Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814.

Jefferson had a lot to say on the subject.
 
2018-05-16 07:29:41 AM  

winedrinkingman: Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?

It's based on re-imagining of Catholicism.  While there are significant differences between Catholics and say, Evangelicals, the dominant Christian religion in America for most of American history was Anglican, followed by things like Lutheran and Presbyterianism, which are basically just Catholicism, but without the pope.

It should also be noted that Unitarianism was a huge religion at the time of the American Revolution, up until the Great Awakening in the early 19th century, and Unitarianism rejects the ideas of Jesus being divine, or that any holy book is actually from god, and that God is simply a creator figure who is largely not a major part of our day to day life.  In fact, during the Battle of Concord and Lexington, the British took special effort to loot and ransack Unitarian Churches and even had arrest warrants for Unitarian ministers, because Unitarianism was seen as a major component of the Rebel movement, though this may have just been the British back in London seeing a boogyman in a strange and misunderstood, new faith.


Nowadays lutheranism and anglicanism are a lot like Catholicism without a pope. But before pretty recently catholic priests faced the altar and did the masses in Latin. I dont think historically they were as similar as they seem now.
 
2018-05-16 07:30:03 AM  
"I pray Heaven to Bestow the Best of Blessings on THIS HOUSE and on All that shall hereafter Inhabit it. May none but Honest and Wise Men ever rule under this Roof."

Hahahha, okay, that right there is proof God either doesn't exist, or doesn't give a single fark what happens down here.
 
2018-05-16 07:32:24 AM  

Wenchmaster: Who the buttered fark approved the "hero" tag for this load of crap?


It is a puzzler.
 
2018-05-16 07:36:24 AM  

Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?


Very much so. Almost every single sect of Christianity truly believes that their method of worship and interpretation of The Scriptures, is the only One True Path, and that everyone NOT on that path shall burn in hell as a non-believer.
 
2018-05-16 07:39:16 AM  

winedrinkingman: It's based on re-imagining of Catholicism.  While there are significant differences between Catholics and say, Evangelicals, the dominant Christian religion in America for most of American history was Anglican, followed by things like Lutheran and Presbyterianism, which are basically just Catholicism, but without the pope.


Presbyterianism is not "basically just Catholicism, but without the pope." It's not even close to that. When it was founded, it was one of the more radical branches of Protestantism. It was fully Calvinist and rejected bishops, ritual, and transubstantiation. It wasn't the most radical of the large groups (I'm looking at you Anabaptists), but it wasn't just "Catholic light" like the Anglicans.
 
2018-05-16 07:39:25 AM  
Tell the untold story of how a persecuted Christian minority

Oh, so they are going to talking about Catholic persecution in the US

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Nope..f*cking hypocrites
 
2018-05-16 07:40:54 AM  

uttertosh: Very much so. Almost every single sect of Christianity truly believes that their method of worship and interpretation of The Scriptures, is the only One True Path, and that everyone NOT on that path shall burn in hell as a non-believer.


that's not actually true. It's true of the more fundie groups, which is hilarious b/c a lot of them actually believe that the OTHER fundies are going to burn for eternity. But most of the mainline churches (which still have a lot of adherents) believe their theology is technically correct but not exclusionary. In other words, you can get some issues wrong and still be saved.
 
2018-05-16 07:42:12 AM  

dennysgod: Tell the untold story of how a persecuted Christian minority

Oh, so they are going to talking about Catholic persecution in the US

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Nope..f*cking hypocrites


Who do you think was persecuting those poor Christians?  Atheism and Islam hadn't been invented yet.
 
2018-05-16 07:43:13 AM  
As an atheist since I was 15, who is deeply convinced all religions are wrong, I always find it odd that I end up having to defend Christianity and Christians on fark. Most vocal farkers on the topic of Christianity don't typically know what they are talking about and buy into a charicature of American Christianity that appears to be based on the most absurd fundie preachers who typically are even more radical than most fundies.
 
2018-05-16 07:44:09 AM  

eiger: you can get some issues wrong and still be saved.


From what?

Hookers and blow?
 
2018-05-16 07:45:31 AM  

eKonk: They're getting $1k a head for peddling this crap? Damn, I should become a Christian so I can ditch these stupid morals that keep me from fleecing the ignorant...


There is a MASSIVE market for Christian-themed stuff. Make a movie, no matter how shiattacular and they will flock to it loyally. All they ask is a little pandering and they'll throw piles of money in your direction.

This tour guide is making a killing. All you have to do is lie for a few hours.
 
2018-05-16 07:45:35 AM  

Somacandra: So...this is about BLACK Christians, right? Because we got shiatloads of evidence for that narrative.

Where the black Christians be at?
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2018-05-16 07:49:06 AM  

dennysgod: Tell the untold story of how a persecuted Christian minority

Oh, so they are going to talking about Catholic persecution in the US

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[img.fark.net image 850x525]

Nope..f*cking hypocrites


And speaking of hypocrites:

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and. in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."  Matthew 6:5
 
2018-05-16 07:49:32 AM  

uttertosh: Resident Muslim: RINO: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1366]

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

I found it interesting that in the case of a dispute, the parties shall refer to the Bey of Algeria to settle their dispute.
Must have been a very fair guy.

Also interesting from the article:
"Latin America was founded by the Catholic Church, which neglected the Bible," he said. "America was founded by Protestants who focused on the Bible."
Is this some "No true Christian" thing? Or is this based on something?

Very much so. Almost every single sect of Christianity truly believes that their method of worship and interpretation of The Scriptures, is the only One True Path, and that everyone NOT on that path shall burn in hell as a non-believer.


That's not just wrong it's the opposite of the truth. Almost every single sect of christianity believes that believing in the sacrifice of jesus and repenting for one's sins is enough to secure a spot in heaven. Having that belief or a variation of that belief is a defining feature of christianity.
 
2018-05-16 07:51:30 AM  
There has been a market for pandering to people who believe that Christians are both the rightful hegemons of America and a persecuted remnant for a very long time. Anyone remember this gem from the 90's? (The trend goes back much further, of course)
Carman - America Again
Youtube Ovq6gP2x9vc


Note the simultaneous claims to both rightful dominance and plucky underdog status. You see that a lot with this crowd.

/ One thing I always find funny about people who claim that "the Bible should shape our laws" is that they never seem to care (or even notice) that our whole economy is based on usury
 
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