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2018-05-15 01:59:53 PM  
while some streamlining is good, most of these changes are to attract people who don't like baseball, have never liked baseball, and will never like baseball
 
2018-05-15 02:39:29 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: while some streamlining is good, most of these changes are to attract people who don't like baseball, have never liked baseball, and will never like baseball


Yup.

Baseball fans know what they're getting themselves into.

This quest to draw in more people by making the game faster is inherently misguided.

You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.

And while I enjoy games when lots of runs are scored, I enjoy watching a pitcher try to pull off a no hitter even more.

And don't get me started on a no-no.

It's like watching a chessmaster play chess.
 
2018-05-15 04:10:50 PM  
I took less about the pace of the game from the article and more about the atmosphere at the game.

When I go to a baseball game I like the feeling of peace and relaxation, like you're sitting at a park. Then something happens, it disrupts the quiet, and you feel that bit of excitement. Every once in awhile the energy surges into a frenzy during important moments.

Each sport has its quirks. Baseball needs to keep its quirks. You can make the game move along a little faster if you want, but for the most part it's always been, "Things happen as they happen."
 
2018-05-15 04:36:17 PM  
I'll echo the sentiments already posted, there's a pace about baseball and that's one of the main things I like. It's thoughtful and very much an ever-changing puzzle to be puzzled over.

The buildup in an inning where the pitcher can't seem to catch a break, bases getting full, pitch count going up, lots of fouls, more pitches, meetings at the mound, bullpen warming up, full count and something has to break. It can be so slow and the pressure immense. Speeding that up would simply ruin it, it's that long exposure to pressure that makes that whole scene.

If you're in a rush to get to the end or you want it to be "more exciting" the you simply need another sport.
 
2018-05-15 05:14:32 PM  
Baseball's problem is that it is slow and boring.  Test cricket takes five farking days, but at least things happen during that time.
 
2018-05-15 05:55:47 PM  
Baseball is boring! whines the country where the most popular sport is 11 minutes of play in 3 hours
 
2018-05-15 06:03:49 PM  
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It's action packed enough already.
 
2018-05-15 06:05:59 PM  
What eventually got me out of even watching casually was Eastern Time Zone + start times + length of game.  When I did eventually stop watching, it was because there was no way I was staying up long enough to watch a game that started at 8pm, even 9pm sometimes.  Being a sports fan in this time zone generally sucks, I grew up on Central time.
 
2018-05-15 06:07:09 PM  

OkieDookie: [img.fark.net image 850x595]

It's action packed enough already.


Looking like you're wiping sleep out of your eyes after a guy punches you is a pretty excellent taunting technique
 
2018-05-15 06:11:17 PM  
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2018-05-15 06:22:07 PM  

Naido: What eventually got me out of even watching casually was Eastern Time Zone + start times + length of game.  When I did eventually stop watching, it was because there was no way I was staying up long enough to watch a game that started at 8pm, even 9pm sometimes.  Being a sports fan in this time zone generally sucks, I grew up on Central time.


other than playoffs, what games starting at 8 or 9 unless they are in a different time zone?  east coast games are usually 7:10, with some being 6:10.  most games are over at 10 or 11
 
2018-05-15 06:24:19 PM  

HedlessChickn: You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.


Also, these days the average baseball game is shorter than the average football game anyway...

/By 20 minutes, by 2017 estimates (2:52 to 3:12).
//Soccer's got it down pat. About 90 minutes of action, 15 minute halftime, you're outta there in 2 hours tops.
 
2018-05-15 06:27:52 PM  
Book burning might spice up baseball games. Might
 
2018-05-15 06:29:01 PM  
The no ball intentional walk rule is farking stupid.  It speeds up the game by approximately 17 seconds per game, and eliminates a good source of baseball weirdness (when the pitcher throws a wild pitch, or when the batter swings at one of the balls that wasn't quite far enough outside the strike zone and drives in a run).  Baseball is best when it's weird.

I don't have a problem with the mound visit rule, however, even if it eliminates chances for people to talk about breathing with their eyebrows and discussing what wedding gifts to get.
 
2018-05-15 06:38:03 PM  

Geotpf: I don't have a problem with the mound visit rule, however, even if it eliminates chances for people to talk about breathing with their eyebrows and discussing what wedding gifts to get.


'Eyelids, honey."
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2018-05-15 06:49:06 PM  
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2018-05-15 06:50:43 PM  
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2018-05-15 06:58:06 PM  

IlGreven: HedlessChickn: You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.

Also, these days the average baseball game is shorter than the average football game anyway...

/By 20 minutes, by 2017 estimates (2:52 to 3:12).
//Soccer's got it down pat. About 90 minutes of action, 15 minute halftime, you're outta there in 2 hours tops.


Action?  Soccer?  Not a fan of lawn diving competitions.

Not the players fault, but it's 90% ball being kicked around the mid field, 9% faking injury until a card is displayed and the "hurt" player gets the magic ouchie spray, then hops up and is fine.

The other 1% is usually mildly interesting, but not nearly worth the time spent watching.  One of every twenty games may result in an incredible goal or finish.
 
2018-05-15 07:06:01 PM  
I'm sorry baseball doesn't have enough CTE and fake fights to keep the beer swilling idiots that pass for sports fans in this country distracted.   May I suggest ultimate fighting?  Or better yet, do us all a favor and jump off a tall building.
 
2018-05-15 07:12:25 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Naido: What eventually got me out of even watching casually was Eastern Time Zone + start times + length of game.  When I did eventually stop watching, it was because there was no way I was staying up long enough to watch a game that started at 8pm, even 9pm sometimes.  Being a sports fan in this time zone generally sucks, I grew up on Central time.

other than playoffs, what games starting at 8 or 9 unless they are in a different time zone?  east coast games are usually 7:10, with some being 6:10.  most games are over at 10 or 11


It was mostly the postseason; once I realized I wasn't going to watch the postseason, it was hard to get invested in regular season games when there were other things to watch
 
2018-05-15 07:35:12 PM  
It is all about television advertising revenue and fixed time slots for easier scheduling.
 
2018-05-15 08:25:39 PM  
My favorite sport to watch is football. My second is baseball. The reason I like both is the difference between the two.
If I want to go to a game that is rowdy, pumps loud music, and has a decent chance of fan violence, I see a football game in the upper deck.
If I want a nice relaxed afternoon while watching my team, I go to the lower deck of a baseball game.

If I want to go to sleep, I watch soccer.
 
2018-05-15 08:35:31 PM  

IlGreven: HedlessChickn: You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.

Also, these days the average baseball game is shorter than the average football game anyway...

/By 20 minutes, by 2017 estimates (2:52 to 3:12).
//Soccer's got it down pat. About 90 minutes of action, 15 minute halftime, you're outta there in 2 hours tops.


Baseball and soccer give the impression of boredom because there's usually a big pile of guys who are "in-play" but not doing anything.

In football every down everyone plays their balls off.
 
2018-05-15 09:02:12 PM  
Baseball is a wonderful game.  They've screwed it up enough already
 
2018-05-15 09:07:00 PM  

Super_pope: IlGreven: HedlessChickn: You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.

Also, these days the average baseball game is shorter than the average football game anyway...

/By 20 minutes, by 2017 estimates (2:52 to 3:12).
//Soccer's got it down pat. About 90 minutes of action, 15 minute halftime, you're outta there in 2 hours tops.

Baseball and soccer give the impression of boredom because there's usually a big pile of guys who are "in-play" but not doing anything.

In football every down everyone plays their balls off.


I will agree, but on the baseball side (I don't like or know enough about soccer to comment) even though a good outfielder might be observed as doing nothing during a pitching duel, he has to be ready to play at a moment's notice. The tension is part of the action. Every defensive player is like a wound up spring. It takes a different mindset to enjoy I guess.
 
2018-05-15 09:15:45 PM  

Naido: What eventually got me out of even watching casually was Eastern Time Zone + start times + length of game.  When I did eventually stop watching, it was because there was no way I was staying up long enough to watch a game that started at 8pm, even 9pm sometimes.  Being a sports fan in this time zone generally sucks, I grew up on Central time.


I've often said that all "night" baseball games should start no later than 6pm local time. Not that I have the problem you do as I live in PDT/PST, but that extra hour would get the EDT/EST fans a fighting shot at watching at least part/most of a West Coast game. In reality, I could go with 5pm local time, but that would significantly impact stadium attendance.

I love it when the Giants go on east coast road trips only for the start times. 4pm baseball on a work night? SOLD!

Additionally, all weekend baseball games should be 1pm local time starts. ESPN can have their stupid Sunday night baseball with their crappy announcers and NYY/BOS/CUBS/STL/LAD bias. I will give them 1 game per week.

Like most of the educated posters here have indicated, there really is no need to change the game and all of this crap intended to quicken the pace of play is stupid. That being said, the one change that I would support (and it would not change the pace of play) is instituting electronic ball/strike calling. The ump can relay the computer calls and would still be there for plays at the plate. They would also still be there to deal with "check swings".

Pitchers should not have to pitch to the ump...and the ump should not have the ability to make ball/strike calls based on the pitcher.

Fin.
 
2018-05-15 09:23:07 PM  

baron von doodle: Super_pope: IlGreven: HedlessChickn: You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.

Also, these days the average baseball game is shorter than the average football game anyway...

/By 20 minutes, by 2017 estimates (2:52 to 3:12).
//Soccer's got it down pat. About 90 minutes of action, 15 minute halftime, you're outta there in 2 hours tops.

Baseball and soccer give the impression of boredom because there's usually a big pile of guys who are "in-play" but not doing anything.

In football every down everyone plays their balls off.

I will agree, but on the baseball side (I don't like or know enough about soccer to comment) even though a good outfielder might be observed as doing nothing during a pitching duel, he has to be ready to play at a moment's notice. The tension is part of the action. Every defensive player is like a wound up spring. It takes a different mindset to enjoy I guess.


I'm sure.  I've tried to really think about why I don't like watching baseball but I enjoy football and that's all I've come up with.
 
2018-05-15 09:30:03 PM  
It's OK, everyone, you're both right, baseball and football are both boring AF.

I do like how people pretend baseball is an intellectual game. Most baseball players are simpletons and any 8-year-old could manage any baseball team to 60+ wins/year.
 
2018-05-15 09:35:25 PM  

Super_pope: baron von doodle: Super_pope: IlGreven: HedlessChickn: You can create all the shortcuts you want, but a 15 inning game is a 15 inning game.

Also, these days the average baseball game is shorter than the average football game anyway...

/By 20 minutes, by 2017 estimates (2:52 to 3:12).
//Soccer's got it down pat. About 90 minutes of action, 15 minute halftime, you're outta there in 2 hours tops.

Baseball and soccer give the impression of boredom because there's usually a big pile of guys who are "in-play" but not doing anything.

In football every down everyone plays their balls off.

I will agree, but on the baseball side (I don't like or know enough about soccer to comment) even though a good outfielder might be observed as doing nothing during a pitching duel, he has to be ready to play at a moment's notice. The tension is part of the action. Every defensive player is like a wound up spring. It takes a different mindset to enjoy I guess.

I'm sure.  I've tried to really think about why I don't like watching baseball but I enjoy football and that's all I've come up with.


And that's ok. I'm not starting a holy war or anything. Go Chiefs! btw.
 
2018-05-15 09:38:04 PM  

IAmRight: It's OK, everyone, you're both right, baseball and football are both boring AF.

I do like how people pretend baseball is an intellectual game. Most baseball players are simpletons and any 8-year-old could manage any baseball team to 60+ wins/year.


60+ wins of 162 games. Damn. You are dumb and, I'm guessing, an NBA fan.
 
2018-05-15 10:40:53 PM  

baron von doodle: IAmRight: any 8-year-old could manage any baseball team to 60+ wins/year.

60+ wins of 162 games. Damn. You are dumb and, I'm guessing, an NBA fan.


The two worst MLB teams last year each won 64 games. The 2016 Minnesota Twins won 59. 2015 Phillies won 63, 2014 Diamondbacks won 64. You have to go back to the 2013 Astros- a franchise that was literally renovating by tearing itself apart from the inside out- to find an MLB team that didn't approach 60 wins. They got 51. 

It's hard for a professional baseball team to win fewer than 60 games. it's damn near impossible for them to win fewer than 50. 

Get it now?
 
2018-05-15 11:35:41 PM  

Gonz: baron von doodle: IAmRight: any 8-year-old could manage any baseball team to 60+ wins/year.

60+ wins of 162 games. Damn. You are dumb and, I'm guessing, an NBA fan.

The two worst MLB teams last year each won 64 games. The 2016 Minnesota Twins won 59. 2015 Phillies won 63, 2014 Diamondbacks won 64. You have to go back to the 2013 Astros- a franchise that was literally renovating by tearing itself apart from the inside out- to find an MLB team that didn't approach 60 wins. They got 51. 

It's hard for a professional baseball team to win fewer than 60 games. it's damn near impossible for them to win fewer than 50. 

Get it now?


I got it in the first place. Most professional sports have the same threshold of, "even with a monkey in charge, you win x games". Granted, this excludes the Browns.
This applies to most sports. I can't see how this is a dig on baseball.
Example: the NFL is stupid. You can put a monkey in charge and win 3 games. Again, browns...
 
2018-05-15 11:38:47 PM  
Stupid math. Ok, 60 baseball wins is equivalent to 5 football wins. Neither is a high bar, and arguably fairly easy to achieve.
 
2018-05-16 12:12:28 AM  
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2018-05-16 02:21:48 AM  
I like baseball. A lot. If you don't like it, do something else. Try to convince chess enthusiasts that Bishops should be Queens too. That will shorten the games for sure.
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At a baseball game you might even find love. I don't know who that lady is, but I love her.
 
2018-05-16 04:35:48 AM  
Why do sportsball arenas play music so damn loud?  Or at all?
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2018-05-16 10:42:31 AM  
The game used to take roughly 2 hours, now it's over 3.  The average baseball fan is in their late 50s and getting older every year, the other sports are in their 30s and 40s and creeping up much more slowly. Less kids are opting to play, and the replacement fans from younger generations have been thinning for two decades.

The game has got to change, and speeding it up is essential.  And the "purists" should support that, since the length of the game has stretched to silly extremes in recent decades.  Every pitch can't be a total reset of fixing the Velcro on your gloves, staring at your bat for a few seconds, shifting your crotch, stepping into the box, tapping the plate, spitting, adjusting your grip, taking three level swings, crouching down into a ridiculous pose while the pitcher sets..... then calling time out to step out of the box and starting the whole process over again because he took too long to deliver the pitch.  Add to that a commercial break with every pitching change, commercial break mid-inning, and commercial break end of inning, over 162 games before we even get to post season.  It's just too much time and too slow.  The game was much faster and more exciting 30 or 40 years ago.

I'm all for taking the game to a more traditional place.  Start by getting games back down below 2h 30min.
 
2018-05-16 11:12:31 AM  
When you try to change the core of a sport to attract new fans, you'll only alienate your old fans faster than you'll attract new ones.

Look at what happened to NASCAR.  It went from being a fast growing mainstream spectator sport to the gutter in both attendance & TV ratings once they started tinkering with the rule book too much.
 
2018-05-16 01:00:36 PM  
Khellendros, THIS x infinity. I use this example:

I went to an Angels game a few years ago, against the Twins I think. Jared Weaver pitched six efficient innings, going in the top of the 7th the game was at about 1:45 long. Scioscia goes to the bullpen, they predictably struggle. Twins even up the score, the Angels win in the 9th. There was five pitching changes in three innings for the Angels, four for the Twins. Game ended up lasting a little over three hours.

Years ago, I used to wonder why after the pitcher finished their warmups, players would just stand around. Guy in front of me said "They're waiting for the commercial break to end". D'oh!

It's simple: enforce the batter box rules, time that pitchers can take between pitchers and get serious about limiting mound visits. As long as there's commercials and pitching is viewed as "6 innings from starter, bullpen by committee after that", the games aren't going back to the 2:30 days, but at least the *pace* will be quicker. I love baseball more than anything except music, but even I'm getting a little put off by the delays.

/Go Angels
 
2018-05-16 01:17:42 PM  
3-3.5 hours is about right for me.  it's long enough that i don't feel like i just sat down by the time it's time to leave
 
2018-05-16 01:39:55 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: 3-3.5 hours is about right for me.  it's long enough that i don't feel like i just sat down by the time it's time to leave


Yeah, I don't mind long games in person.  Just watching them on TV can be a bit tedious.
But with that said, I've made it to a few minor league games that have since started using a pitch clock, and I actually liked that a lot better than I thought I would.  The game moved at nice pace, and was over in about 2:30 hours.
 
2018-05-16 01:46:07 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Dead for Tax Reasons: 3-3.5 hours is about right for me.  it's long enough that i don't feel like i just sat down by the time it's time to leave

Yeah, I don't mind long games in person.  Just watching them on TV can be a bit tedious.
But with that said, I've made it to a few minor league games that have since started using a pitch clock, and I actually liked that a lot better than I thought I would.  The game moved at nice pace, and was over in about 2:30 hours.


the announcers are the main problem with watching on tv.  too many are absolutely idiotic or just don't care about anything except their own team, to the point that you question if there are actually 2 teams in the stadium
 
2018-05-16 02:20:34 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: When you try to change the core of a sport to attract new fans, you'll only alienate your old fans faster than you'll attract new ones.

Look at what happened to NASCAR.  It went from being a fast growing mainstream spectator sport to the gutter in both attendance & TV ratings once they started tinkering with the rule book too much.


Depends on what get changed.  I think the NBA has done a great job of making changes that improve the game for fans.  I'm not a NASCAR fan anymore and was never much of one, but it seems like they had a conflict in that the things the fans wanted to see are actually more dangerous for the drivers
 
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