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2004-06-16 11:33:13 AM
Just Ignorant

I wonder how many international terrorist incidents there were last year?
 
2004-06-16 11:33:22 AM
2004-06-16 11:29:40 AM Cyansis


Hebalo

Game set match

You are such a typical lib. "If I close my eyes it is not real." Mommy teach you that when you were a kid. I am feeling lazy today so no I will not do your work for you (yet another typical liberal expectation). I am taking care of a whole bunch of formerly homeless people at work, so you go do it.
----

And what good care they must be receiving from you while you argue on the internet.

/dude you lost, admit it.
 
2004-06-16 11:33:27 AM
Of course MattLugar - because you posted it on Fark, it must be fact.

Try again. Lalalalalala
 
2004-06-16 11:33:35 AM
Also HowlingFrog, the media only reported it, The 9/11 commision wrote it.
 
2004-06-16 11:33:49 AM
pontechango, I thought you'd never ask. They actually were doing a very good job of tracking Iraqi casualties until Saddam's gov't fell, and they started throwing in every person killed by gunfire.

For instance 14 Apr 2003 - 31 Aug 2003 Violent deaths recorded at Baghdad city morgue 60 per cent from gunshot wounds MIN 1214 MAX 1297.

That's just one example of how they are padding the figure. They also add people who died from an unsecured ammo dump explosion, people killed by terrorists, etc.
 
2004-06-16 11:33:55 AM
Cyansis

Hebalo

Game set match

You are such a typical lib. "If I close my eyes it is not real." Mommy teach you that when you were a kid. I am feeling lazy today so no I will not do your work for you (yet another typical liberal expectation). I am taking care of a whole bunch of formerly homeless people at work, so you go do it.


1) Not a Lib. Have NEVER voted for the Democrats.
2) You STILL haven't backed up your claims from before.
3) You're now changing the subject so that you won't have to back up your claims.
4) I have no idea what you're ranting about your Mother and formerly homeless people for.
5) Still waiting for some evidence about Gas Prices and Kerry and the Environmentalists effect on them as per the recent hike.
 
2004-06-16 11:33:59 AM
I can't wait for election night on fark
The servers gonna Asplode....

And all you dems are gonna realize that getting behind a halfass candidate was a bad idea yet again...

Hell next time elect a flaming liberal with a pair, at least it will keep peoples interest... seems like most of the Dems I know are jaded with Kerry already...
 
2004-06-16 11:34:13 AM
some terrorists don't keep the best of records, like some some defense lawyer

Cheney & Halliburton?
 
2004-06-16 11:35:00 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Er, I'm assuming ya meant "UBL", not "Saddam" there.
 
2004-06-16 11:35:04 AM
Cyansis

How does it feel to get your ass handed to you on a daily basis in these forums?
 
2004-06-16 11:35:11 AM
Challenge:

Name one bill that John Kerry is known for.
 
2004-06-16 11:35:20 AM
Well damn...I guess all we have on Saddam now are all those Kurds he gassed to death, and those other terrorist groups Iraq provided bases for, like Mujahedin-e-Khalq, the Kurdistan Workers Party, the Palestine Liberation Front, and Abu Nidal.

And if there is any point that you haven't found something, that something doesn't exist nor has it ever existed. Bad news for you if you ever lose your keys and there is ever a point in which you haven't found them.
 
2004-06-16 11:35:23 AM
HowlingFrog, yeah that tape was pretty hilarious. Course we all know that it was totally fake and that Al-Qaeda totally didn't have anything to do with 9/11, it was all Jews/Government/UN/whoeveryouhate.
 
2004-06-16 11:35:24 AM
So, what McClellan's saying is that terrorists==AQ member. Got it, check.

What a prick.
 
2004-06-16 11:35:26 AM
This report is strictly dealing with Iraq's responsibility or lack thereof on 9/11. Not Iraq and it's ties with al-quaeda. Nobody has ever denied that Iraq and al-quaeda have done plenty of talking and even some training together. But this report is saying as far as 9/11 is concerned, Iraq was not found responsible.

TheConvincingSavant:
Thought I'd help by putting it in bold.

Thought I'd help by repeating it ... especially since many here don't seem to want to actually read before they spew their liberal propoganda. But, hey, that's the Fark way!
 
2004-06-16 11:35:31 AM
2004-06-16 11:00:27 AM caliban_02: "...I think the war was a bad idea...It may still work, it may not. And, a surprising number of Iraqis ARE cooperating. This is not a justification, just an observation...I've got a much more vivid imagination of a disaster than you..."

Well, I'll refer you to he CPA's latest poll (and remember they stand by its accuracy):

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5217741/site/newsweek/

This means that the number of Iraqis cooperating is meaningless. Many insurgencies have succeeded against occupation with far less popular support than shown here. I have to conclude that it will not work out, and has in fact contributed to instability and anti-Americanism all around. Then there is the small matter of how this ill-conceived war is chewing through money and readiness, and how our grand-children will be yoked with the debt...

http://csmonitor.com/2004/0616/p07s01-wosc.html

costofwar.com

That leaves the question of where we go from here. My "disaster scenario" includes, but is not limited to, the overthrow of the nominally pro-American regimes in "Saudi" Arabia and (nuclear-armed) Pakistan. When these regimes fall, the shiat will truly hit the fan.

What kind of gas mileage does YOUR car get?
 
2004-06-16 11:35:37 AM
2004-06-16 11:29:40 AM Cyansis
I am taking care of a whole bunch of formerly homeless people at work, so you go do it.


Well you certianly aren't doing much work at work, that's for sure, unless your job is farking.
 
2004-06-16 11:35:39 AM
Guys, im going to bed. But this thread has really made me feel better about the USA. Make sure you go out there at election time, and march, deliver pamphlets and whatnot to get Bush out. If you need material, just save this thread and you will have every argument in the book as to why the Iraq war and The Bush Admin are completely farked.

As you will see in this thread, there are no convincing arguments against these facts, as so aptly demonstrated by the few conservatives left in this thread.

And just to explain myself and not stoop to Cyansis' level, I am not a democrat, not even an American, Im an Australian who is simply interested in politics.

And if the Cyansis' of the world are going to have a go at me for not being American, I still still care because what you do afects me and the rest of the world.

I hope the election does not get rigged like last time, because that would mean the end of the USA and the beginning of very dark times.

/Last troll for the night, going to bed
 
2004-06-16 11:36:04 AM
Wytchocolate

Mandatory military service for all High School grads...
 
2004-06-16 11:36:12 AM
cyansis, barjockey, savant and the rest of the bush-leaguers will be shocked to see the the eviction in nov but to get you used to the chants go here pops in new window (i hope)
 
2004-06-16 11:36:15 AM
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//Cheney is an ass
 
2004-06-16 11:36:31 AM
bbcrackmonkey

HowlingFrog

There's no credible evidence linking Saddam to 9/11, oh besides HIM FREAKING ADMITTING IT ON VIDEOTAPE.


You have a link with Saddam admitting on videotape to causing 9/11???
 
2004-06-16 11:36:35 AM
Too bad it's a war on terror, not just a war on al Qaeda. Whether or not Iraq and al Qaeda were chummy before the war matters little. We still know that they had ties, and that al Qaeda found sanctuary in Iraq. Just because Iraq didn't fund al Qaeda doesn't mean they didn't condone the activities al Qaeda is involved in.

Some of you seem to forget that there are more terrorist organizations than simply al Qaeda. Heck, there are so many that they don't even all get along with one another. Al Qaeda should not be the focus here. Terror groups in general should be the focus
 
2004-06-16 11:36:41 AM
Yellow Number Five

Obviously a case of narcissism mixed in with mild paranoia; a delusion that he's the center of the world and that everything pertains to him. Contrary viewpoints are disregarded and arguments against are ignored; each post mentioning his name strokes the ego a little more, which is why he keeps coming back.

The fact that he's a raving lunatic doesn't even really cross his mind. The insane never see it in themselves.
 
2004-06-16 11:36:54 AM
sroth
Of course MattLugar - because you posted it on Fark, it must be fact.

Please explain the relevance of posting it on Fark making it factual/non factual? The content is what is important, not the location. The majority of the cited sources are credible news links, including some left-leaning organizations.

Like I said, you can be as closed-minded and ignorant as you want. You can continue to pretend that facts don't exist if you ignore them. It doesn't change that the facts do exist, it only means that you are more ignorant for choosing to ignore them.
 
2004-06-16 11:37:03 AM
We supported both sides during the Iran/Iraq war, bleeding them both dry because we considered both of them to be our enemy at the time.

You have the US and Israel confused, this war started in 1980. At that time we supported Iraq because we wanted Iran to be a smoldering hole in the ground (see also US hostage crisis) and because people like Rumsfeld thought Iraq would remain a secular island in a a sea of Ismlamic militancy. The closest thing to "support" that Iran recieved from the US in the 80s was Oliver North's helpful missile and heavy equipment emporium....
 
2004-06-16 11:37:35 AM
"We want to know why these people hate us so much..." Kean said.

Not a bad idea... but it's unfortunate that one is only allowed to cite jingoistic abstractions in answer to that first question, e.g. "they hate freedom." Any suggestion that specific actions on the part of the USA (like, oh, say, invading countries on the basis of threats they might pose in the future and without a mandate from the U.N.) might influence terrorism will be viciously attacked as "justifying" terrorists. Iraq is the biggest poster-child for terrorist recruitment since the Six Day War.
 
2004-06-16 11:37:48 AM
so why does our cocksucking, liar of a vp keep sating that there is?
 
FKA
2004-06-16 11:37:55 AM
RTFA for Christ's sake MattLugar. "No credible evidence" means "No. Credible. Evidence."

Somebody break out the crayons and coloring book for MattL, I think he needs a picture drawn for him.

btw - I too read two sentences into your rather long post. If you want to get the point across to the majority of Farkers in this thread, try abbreviating, and reducing the number of links by 100 or so. Good luck
 
2004-06-16 11:38:08 AM
MR. McCLELLAN: Secretary Powell went before the United Nations and talked about some of those ties to terrorism, as well.

Heh, because we all know when Secretary Powell goes before the UN, he is always right.

Q There's also al Qaeda in the United States. That does not mean the United States is cooperating with those members of al Qaeda. Just by the presence of someone does not mean there's a cooperation.

MR. McCLELLAN: But, remember, we're talking about an oppressive regime that was in power in Iraq that exercised control over that country. And go back and look at what we documented, Norah. We documented all this...


They documented it! Documented! Like with the WMDs!

Q Why can't you tell us? I mean, he's the President of the United States. You aren't going to tell us if he's been questioned in a criminal investigation>

MR. McCLELLAN: I just said I don't have any update from where he -- what he previously responded to, Terry.


Look at that squirm.
 
2004-06-16 11:38:09 AM
From a_cure_for_gravity's link:

In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives. They stopped short of claiming that Iraq was directly involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, but critics say Bush officials left that impression with the American public.
 
2004-06-16 11:38:36 AM
My debate teacher would love to read cyansis', theconvincing savant's, and bbcrackmonkey's so-called debate. They use pretty much every fallacy of arguement in the book.
 
2004-06-16 11:38:37 AM
Antiwar people are the ones full of compassion? So it was ok to sit back and let Saddam slaughter hundreds of thousands. You are the same kind of person that would stand among a crowd of people and watch someone get beat to death because "it isn't my problem". Of course some innocent people have died because of the war, but it pales in comparison to what happened under Saddams rule.
 
2004-06-16 11:38:48 AM
waltvm

This report is strictly dealing with Iraq's responsibility or lack thereof on 9/11. Not Iraq and it's ties with al-quaeda. Nobody has ever denied that Iraq and al-quaeda have done plenty of talking and even some training together. But this report is saying as far as 9/11 is concerned, Iraq was not found responsible.

TheConvincingSavant:
Thought I'd help by putting it in bold.

Thought I'd help by repeating it ... especially since many here don't seem to want to actually read before they spew their liberal propoganda. But, hey, that's the Fark way!


Keep repeating it, still doesn't make it true

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

The report appears to be saying there were NO links between AQ and Iraq at all, it found NO governments supported AQ until the Taliban...
Did you even read the article?
 
2004-06-16 11:38:50 AM
Pollexabator, you seem to be a little confused yourself. We were indeed selling weapons to Saddam Hussein, we even sold him some biological weapons, but we were also selling weapons to Iran. We didn't want either side to win.

Do you remember the Iran/Contra scandal? Reagan and Ollie North selling weapons to Iran to fund the Contra guerrillas in Nicarauga?
 
2004-06-16 11:39:12 AM
DROxINxTHExWIND, I agree with BENJAMIN. Oh and by the way, can you see if your dog can flatulate some help for the Knicks next season, it would be much appreciated?
 
2004-06-16 11:39:22 AM
Quick quiz: WHICH of these three CIA Approved(TM) Osamas admitted on tape to responsibility for the events of 9/11?

http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/binpics.jpg
 
2004-06-16 11:40:44 AM
Wingchild

Don't dive too deeply into the dark empty vacuum that is the mind of Cyansis, you may never return.
 
2004-06-16 11:41:03 AM
bbcrackmonkey

You're claiming that the guy on the tape is UBL?
 
2004-06-16 11:41:05 AM
2004-06-16 11:35:26 AM waltvm



Thought I'd help by repeating it ... especially since many here don't seem to want to actually read before they spew their liberal propoganda. But, hey, that's the Fark way!


Obviously you didn't RTFA either, did you-

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

"Two senior bin Laden associates associates have adamantly denied" any relationship, the report said
 
m00
2004-06-16 11:41:05 AM
2004-06-16 11:21:11 AM barjockey

Then how do you justify the war, if not with 9-11 or "immenent threat"?

The UN resolution card is tricky because we don't have the legal right to enforce a resolution made by a body, when that body doesn't want us to enforce it.
 
2004-06-16 11:41:06 AM
mcfrontalot, I happen to be a political independant and don't vote, so kindly don't lump me in with ConvincingSavant and Cyansis.

Oh and btw, saying "You guys are making a ton of logical fallacies" is a logical fallacy in and of itself. Besides, nobody ever follows the rules of logic 100%, especially not during a fark debate. Haven't seen you get much into these arguments. Haven't seen you posting at all, until you stepped in to tell me how illogical I am.
 
2004-06-16 11:41:06 AM
Just Ignorant

Look at that squirm.


You think that's a squirm? Did you read Ashcroft's testimony in front of the Judicial committee? Now THAT was squirming...
 
2004-06-16 11:41:59 AM
I always thought the link was that they are all terrorists.

And we're at war with terrorists.

And we'd rather fight them over there than over here.

And that's what we're doing.

And terrorists are dying by the truckloads (good).

But so are innocent civilians over there (bad, but it's a casualty of war).

As well as our soldiers (bad, but they signed up for it and even a 1000 deaths is incredibly low for a war this large).

/optimistic "apologist"
/still thankful we went to war in Iraq
/Afghanistan should have been a glass parking lot on 9/12
/wonders why liberals are gleeful when bad things happen
/doesn't stick around for the flaming, y'all have fun with your weenie roast
 
FKA
2004-06-16 11:42:12 AM
Your "facts" MattLugar contridict what most of the world knows and beliefs. Fact: there is no connection between AQ and Saddam. Period.

Scream "you're ignorant because you refuse to address the facts I posted" all you want MattLugar. It's the equivalent of me saying "lalalalala"

And with that, I am done with you and your posts. Good day
 
2004-06-16 11:42:13 AM
HowlingFrog, no of course not. I think the guy on the tape is you, and that YOU are responsible for 9/11, not UBL. :-P
 
2004-06-16 11:42:40 AM
2004-06-16 11:32:01 AM Dinki

Tell me, how has everything in my link has been discredited? Don't just huff and puff. If you think all of the info I provided is wrong, prove it.
 
2004-06-16 11:42:48 AM
Cyansis: You can build all the new refineries you want. But they will be subject to new Clean Air laws, so companies don't build new ones, they add to old ones. And if you've seen the rates of cancer and pollution south east of Houston, you'll understand why we have clean air laws.
 
2004-06-16 11:42:58 AM
Y.N.F

A case of staring too long into the abyss, eh? Neitzsche probably had that one right after all. ;)
 
2004-06-16 11:43:14 AM
bbcrack
I do remember, this did not happen until closer to the end of the war in (which ended in 1988). The point is, this is not "support", this is "go around Congress and use appropriated funds for illegal shiat in the sad believe that the ends justify any means". Our support of Iraq was Congressionally approved military aid and out in the light of day. Our official support was firmly focused on Iraq, as was France and Russia's...
 
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