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2004-06-16 11:01:20 AM
Dish

For the time being I am content posting opposing viewpoints.
 
2004-06-16 11:02:05 AM
2004-06-16 10:56:38 AM Zman68
Our reasons for going to war may have been flawed, but in the end it all worked out.


Think of all the good the money the US, UK etc. spent on the war could have done spent on humanitarian causes. How many millions of lives could have been saved?
 
2004-06-16 11:02:30 AM
The Convincing Savant

From the link you gave (thanks):

"In September, after Cheney asserted that Iraq had been "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11," Bush acknowledged there was no evidence that Saddam's government was connected to those attacks."


Would you be so kind as to make this bold for our fellow readers who seem to be confused? Especially the part about Bush saying there was no evidence of Iraq and 9/11 being linked.
 
2004-06-16 11:02:36 AM
smackem yackem

That is just an opinon piece. It asserts that America failed to meet the HRW criteria for a "humanitarian intervention", whch it wasn't, it was a military action.

There are no stats about how many civilians have died while America has been in charge.

Keep spinning the facts, er trying to find the facts. I think you'll find that taking Saddam out saved lives.

Dr._Love

Where is the source for the 10,000 dead?

And remeber, car bombings, terrorist attacks, these are not the fault of America, they are the fault of TERRORISTS.

The King of Toast

Thank you kind sir.
 
2004-06-16 11:02:37 AM
Czeckoslovakian Intelligence is lying for no reason!

Statement by Vice President Richard Cheney"We did have reporting that was public, that came out shortly after the 9/11 attack, provided by the Czech government, suggesting there had been a meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker, and a man named al-Ani (Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani), who was an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague, at the embassy there, in April of '01, prior to the 9/11 attacks. It has never been -- we've never been able to collect any more information on that. That was the one that possibly tied the two together to 9/11."Source:Transcript of Interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, Rocky Mountain News (1/9/2004).Explanation: This statement is misleading because it describes a Czech government report of a meeting between Mohammed Atta and Iraq intelligence official Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani in April 2001 and states that there hasnt been more information on that, despite the fact that Czech intelligence officials were skeptical about the report; U.S. intelligence had contradictory evidence regarding this report, such as records indicating Atta was in Virginia at the time of the meeting; and the C.I.A. and F.B.I. had concluded the meeting probably didnt occur.
 
2004-06-16 11:02:42 AM
rackrent

//adding time magazine to list of banned fark media
 
2004-06-16 11:02:45 AM
tylerdurden217
Why would I support the war. Well I believed he had WMD. Am I an idiot for believing the CIA?? Maybe So.

The mass graves with bullet holes in the BACK of the skulls of Children... Ouch. Man I am happy he is out.


Actually, the CIA said that the war would increase the threat of terrorism in the U.S. and abroad, and BushCo decided to go with the WMD argument instead of that one. We all know how that worked out.

Also, the "mass graves" argument is amusing -- as it was Poppy Bush's lack of air support (after imploring Iraqis to "rise up against Saddam") after the first Gulf War that helped them get there.

Bush is a bad guy, too - responsible for much death and suffering in the past four years. Why aren't other countries intervening? Oh -- probably because, like with our Constitution, there is no impetus to impose "benevolent hegemony" on the world. Much more likely, it's to open new avenues for good ol' fashioned American capitalism.

Another war supporter, PWN3D.
 
2004-06-16 11:03:24 AM
Hundreds of thousands of people died at the hands of Saddams regime.

Um, try 10s of thousands of IRANIANS died at the hands of IRAQI SOLDIERS during the IRAN/IRAQ WAR.
 
2004-06-16 11:03:35 AM
Whoo-hoo! Veritable flamewar status in just over an hour! Well done Guys!
 
2004-06-16 11:03:47 AM
The Washington Times is owned by Sun Myung Moon.

Anyone who uses them as a resource is obviously not looking too hard at where their news comes from.
 
2004-06-16 11:03:48 AM
sugarpop
"Selective Service is not getting ready to conduct a draft"

Not until they are told to start.

Read up on the billS (plural), you WONT be able to leave your country after the draft.

/Lots of room up here (liberals only please)
 
2004-06-16 11:04:22 AM
NakedReporta

[Look, let's say I ask you if I can borrow your gun so I can go kill someone. You say no. I ask you five more times if I can borrow the gun. You say no. I go kill someone with another gun. You're an accomplice?]

No, not an accomplice, but certainly not innocent either.
 
2004-06-16 11:04:23 AM
cyansis

I thought Time was part of that whole left-wing media conspiracy thingy and, therefore, not a valid source for news (just left-wing spin).

Should we just discard this pro-Bush information like we discard the anti-Bush stuff?
 
2004-06-16 11:05:00 AM
Cyansis
Gasoline prices, which dipped under $2 a gallon for the first time in weeks, "may be turning a corner" and should continue declining this summer, though motorists shouldn't expect dramatic decreases at the pump, the Energy Department said Tuesday.


This kind of propaganda is the worst. Orwell would have been so proud.

Gas prices are coming DOWN people. you should be HAPPY. Forget that we were the cause of them going up, and that the net result will still have you paying more than before!!!!

/Shut up Cyansis, you cock.
 
2004-06-16 11:05:12 AM
"Saddam is evil, not Kerry, not Bush, not Rumsfeld or anyone else in the Administration.

...Except Cheney and Ashcroft. Apparently, The Bushies feel the ends justify the means. Scary thought.
 
2004-06-16 11:05:41 AM
tylerdurden217:
Again, wrong. Again, more conspiracy BS.
Tenet said WMD Case was a SLAM DUNK. Slam Dunk.
Does slam dunk mean shakey and outdated??

Nope.


on 9/26/02, tenet warned the administration NOT to use outdated information regarding the extent of Iraq's attack capabilities

on 10/1/2002, tenet issued an statement that said (and I quote) that they had "little specific information" on any evidence of WMDs.

Those ar ejust two that I found. There's more. Tenet was basically saying that Bush's attempt to sell this lie to the American people would be a "slam dunk". Which, according to poster such as yourself, was true.
 
2004-06-16 11:05:46 AM
Pollexbator, dude, you have no clue, do you? Over a million people died during the Iran/Iraq war.

You can cut this ignorance with a knife.
 
2004-06-16 11:05:59 AM
2004-06-16 11:03:24 AM Pollexabator
Hundreds of thousands of people died at the hands of Saddams regime.

Um, try 10s of thousands of IRANIANS died at the hands of IRAQI SOLDIERS during the IRAN/IRAQ WAR.



Um, from the gas we sold them. Maybe we should invade ourselves. Oh wait we already have a police state.
 
2004-06-16 11:06:13 AM
priestrape

I have stopped trying to follow what is banned and what is "legit." When you don't believe in absolutes you can make the rules up as you go.
 
2004-06-16 11:06:16 AM
farkdog

You got me wrong, pal. I love the truth more than anything. At best, this report only completely answers the questions about Iraq and 9/11. The ties between Iraq and al-Quaeda are still being investigated. The world will probably never know the whole story there. I just want concrete proof of things. I would stop supporting Bush in a flash if there was concrete evidence against him that resulted in treasonous acts and so on. I just think the Bush haters are reading waaaay too much into this.
 
2004-06-16 11:06:34 AM
They're taking owr jobs!!! Oh wait, that's India (Bush runs out of excuses)..
 
2004-06-16 11:06:38 AM
Second try at linking the Iraq essay

This is a well-written essay on Iraq, citing and linking various sources. It's amazing how facts shed light on things!
 
2004-06-16 11:06:45 AM
tylerdurden217

SLAM DUNK means nothing. Would not hold up in any court of law as "yes definately".

I know, why dont we just ask the guy who said it what he meant by it. Where is he got to? Cant find him anywhere. Its as if he isnt around anymore
 
2004-06-16 11:07:17 AM
Then you have nothing to worry about Cyansis.
You can leave us farkers be and consider your covert infiltration a success. Kinda like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Do people around here still say ASSHAT?
 
2004-06-16 11:07:18 AM
barjockey [TotalFark]

farkdog

You got me wrong, pal. I love the truth more than anything. At best, this report only completely answers the questions about Iraq and 9/11. The ties between Iraq and al-Quaeda are still being investigated.



"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.
 
2004-06-16 11:07:20 AM
If I could put Time in a bottle it would have to be a very small issue or a fairly large bottle.
 
2004-06-16 11:07:27 AM
cyansis

Yup, that seems to be standard neocon operating procedure.
 
2004-06-16 11:07:42 AM
"Well, duh. After all, the 911 commission is on a witch hunt and they've got it in for the current administration."

You're joking, right?
 
2004-06-16 11:07:43 AM
barjockey

I was responding to your claim that "This report is strictly dealing with Iraq's responsibility or lack thereof on 9/11. Not Iraq and it's ties with al-quaeda." Only someone too disinterested or too lazy to RTFA would claim such a thing.
 
2004-06-16 11:08:14 AM


So if Osama meeting with Saddam years ago, is somehow proof they worked together, what does this photo prove?
 
2004-06-16 11:08:34 AM
Man_With_No_Name, we didn't sell Saddam gas you tard. He assembled it in factories out of chemicals widely available on the open market.
 
2004-06-16 11:08:44 AM
HowlingFrog:

yup, that was sarcasm.
 
2004-06-16 11:08:45 AM
P.S. Canada has a population density of 8 people per square mile, vs 75 for the USA.

There's loooooots of room. Though some of you may have to cozy up with the Moose in the muskeg.
 
2004-06-16 11:08:48 AM
That sound you hear behind you is the shiat hitting the fan...

Now where have I heard that before?
 
2004-06-16 11:08:54 AM
HowlingFrog

"Well, duh. After all, the 911 commission is on a witch hunt and they've got it in for the current administration."

You're joking, right?


That discussion was already brought up near the top of this thread...
 
2004-06-16 11:08:55 AM
Hebalo

John Kerry and the environmentalist are the 2 reasons why gas prices are where they were last month. You can't have it both ways. Me personally I am waiting for a Land Rover that runs on liberal scum...
 
2004-06-16 11:10:02 AM
Cyansis

Hebalo

John Kerry and the environmentalist are the 2 reasons why gas prices are where they were last month. You can't have it both ways. Me personally I am waiting for a Land Rover that runs on liberal scum...


Really? I thought it was due to speculation in the markets, and increased fear of terrorism on supply lines...
 
2004-06-16 11:11:15 AM
Cyansis, personally I'm waiting for a motor-unicycle that runs on hate. I'd need you to sit in my lap to power it though.
 
2004-06-16 11:11:50 AM
KyngNothing

No that simply bumped the cost of doing business. The real issue lies in the inflated taxation and unrealistic regulation of the refinery industry on the whole.
 
2004-06-16 11:12:03 AM
dr_worm_md
That is just an opinon piece. It asserts that America failed to meet the HRW criteria for a "humanitarian intervention", whch it wasn't, it was a military action.

dr_worm_md (earlier)
Removing him was a GOOD thing. It can't be argued.

Cool - has a Farker ever been dumb enough to argue against himself in the same thread before? Might be a first.
 
2004-06-16 11:12:18 AM
Why does the 9/11 Commission hate America?
 
2004-06-16 11:12:21 AM
Cyansis

[John Kerry and the environmentalist are the 2 reasons why gas prices are where they were last month. ]

Exactly how are Kerry and the environmentalists responsible? You've proven once again that you have no knowledge of simple economics. Cyansis, if you like Bush do him a favor and stop defending him.
 
2004-06-16 11:12:37 AM
Owned indeed.

Yes I fogot that if we would have provided air support that Saddam wouldn't have murdered children. Interesting that it is our fault. What a unanticipated shift of blame you have managed.

Bush inderectly murdered these children. Bravo sackem yackem!

History should have taught you that we pulled out of Iraq last time because we were losing the PR battle. Much like this time, the countries inability to defend itself against our massive well trained millitary looked bad on TV. (Russian tanks in reverse)

So we left. It was wrong. We should have ousted him then. Then you would STFU.

Do you remember CNN's fantastic coverage of the Desert Storm? Yeah, the Saddam's elite was PWN3D.

Do you think that Saddam was a corrupt dictator and a murderer? If so, why are we debating. If you don't like Bush, simply vote for someone else. That's easy. Kerry will lose, it will be close though, can't wait!
 
2004-06-16 11:13:00 AM
The ties between Iraq and al-Quaeda are still being investigated.



"Don't worry about it, barjockey! I'm on the case, right after I find the real killers!
 
2004-06-16 11:13:06 AM
TheConvincingSavant


2004-06-16 10:34:27 AM barjockey

This report is strictly dealing with Iraq's responsibility or lack thereof on 9/11. Not Iraq and it's ties with al-quaeda. Nobody has ever denied that Iraq and al-quaeda have done plenty of talking and even some training together. But this report is saying as far as 9/11 is concerned, Iraq was not found responsible.



Thought I'd help by putting it in bold.


Erm, Iraq and Al qaeda have never 'done some training together' as you suggest.

From the article:

"Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan."

Any Al Qaeda training in Iraq was stricly anti-Saddam.

Thought I'd help by pointing out it was wrong.
 
2004-06-16 11:13:11 AM
I just think the Bush haters are reading waaaay too much into this.

..It true, then the Bush-lovers are equally guity of not reading enough into this!
 
2004-06-16 11:13:30 AM
2004-06-16 11:06:16 AM barjockey

The ties between Iraq and al-Quaeda are still being investigated.
And those Massive Stockpiles of WMD are just waiting to be found...

I just want concrete proof of things.

But if the Bush administration says it enough, that's good enough for you. BTW, it's your buddies that are making the claim of a link- it's thier responsibilty to PROVE IT, not our responsibility to disprove it.
 
2004-06-16 11:13:40 AM
Yellow Number Five

taxation
 
2004-06-16 11:14:01 AM
Cyansis

Brilliant, that made my morning.
 
2004-06-16 11:14:03 AM
Isn't Cheney still going on about the rock solid connection?
 
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