There are obvious connections between the two
1. They're Muslims
2. The all kinda have the same skin color
3. They live in that part of the world

What more do we need?
Buck Fush!!

....if I had more time you would be owned Biatch!!

That reminds me of a game of Unreal I played last night. Afterwards, I asked if I should change my game-name to Toby. See, because I was owned. And Toby was... Never mind.

Pollexabator
Say it with me one more time, "Draft. Not going to happen."


Is that anything like READ MY LIPS?

Sooner than you think.

CreepyEdmo

LOL!! That's pitiful...

Iraq might now have ties to Al Quaeda, but I have a feeling who does...Saudi Arabia. How about putting the heat on them for a change. I mean, anyone watching the news can see that most terrorists are Saudis.

Why are we bombing Iraqis for what Saudis are doing???

Just wanna get a word in before this thread/flame hits infinity.

Word.

Saddam = Stalinist semi socialist dictator

Osama = Fundementalist islamist puritan

They are the two most unlikely bedfellows ever. Its like Micheal Moore and Ann Coulter getting together to set up an icecream parlour.

Hypocritical left, as usual.

Yeah, that's what happens when you put together a group of half-Dems and half-Repubs, you get nothing but leftist bullshiat. Keep reading the Weekly Standard though, they won't steer you wrong! Great article. "Respected unknown Saddam agent who provided some vague credible evidence of something one time provided clear evidence of something when he was debriefed."

Perhaps,

BUT Saddam WAS a terrorist himself.

If not a terrorist then at least an evil man.

Consider:

Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq.

Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis.

Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran.

Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power.

Removing him was a GOOD thing.

It can't be argued.

hey icebergcomics

There is PROOF that Donald Rumsfeld and Ronald Reagan, who made bedfellows with terrorists, WERE directly involved in the creation of Al Qaeda. there's a positive link! let's invade Washington!

Bush reminds Farkers here of the Daddy their whore mothers were never able to give them. He actually stands for something and like the hand holding, piss in your panties scum that you are, that scares you.


How nice. Bush reminds me of me and that is what scares me and so should it you.

Ah hell. Nov. is just farked for elections. No way will I vote for Bush, no way will I vote for Kerry. I wish Colin Powell was running

i wonder how good ol George W feels now. Within the last week people have been more impressed by his father jumping out of an airplane, than they have been by anything that he has done in almost 4 years. Plus the guys a farking idiot.

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."--After meeting with the leaders of the European Union, Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

Africa is a NATION????

Removing saddam may have been a goo thing, but it was not our job to do it.

we have enough problems of our own. Why not try and fix those first.

SueDisco - Not anger, just trying to understand. Because Colin Powell seems to be held up by a lot of people as the guy who is somehow surpressed in his position.

I read woodward's book too, and had to scratch my head at some of the comments.

But as with all things, there were probably things said that weren't printed and things not said that should have been printed to give a more accurate portrayal of the events.

I tend to view these little flame wars as an opportunity to learn more about how and why people believe what they do.

obviously you're not a "cnn said it so its gospel" type just as I'm not a "rush limbaugh said it so its gospel" type.

No offense miss disco

Why are we bombing Iraqis for what Saudis are doing???

I have a bittorrent link for CBC's Fifth Estate special on just that topic. Email me for the torrent file. I will be GLAD to pass that one out.

Bush family + Saudis + Bin Laden family + $$$$ = 9/11

Bogarter
Sooner than you think.

What, specifically, makes you believe that a draft is immminent? Seriously.

pottymouth

Cyansis seems to not mind being owned.
He keeps coming back for more.
A persistent little monkey, that one.

Oh, and by the way...
Cheney is being set up to take the fall for this administration's failures so Rudy can come to the rescue. RAH!
I got Rove drunk and peeked in his briefcase. The newest script from the PR firm was right on top.

It can't be argued.

How Koranic.

bogarter
There's this neat school house rock about a how a bill becomes a law that I want you to watch when you get home from school sweetie! But first, arts and crafts. Today we're making tinfoil hats!

A bill has to have co-sponsors to make it to the floor. No one supports any of these bills, not the Pentagon and not the administration. These bills were introduced by legislators who needed a press conference to complain that only poor and middle class kids go to war. All volunteer forces are motivated and successful. Conscripts are inneffectual fighters and like to do things like frag officers. It's called post-Vietnam military reality. Try reading a book!

Well I'm glad that's all settled.

So now we can go home from Iraq and everything will be fine?

President Kerry will fix everything and we won't have any more problems. We'll shut down the inspection lines at airports, and Saddam can get his old job back, and I'm certain the Wahabbis will stop killing Americans in Saudi Arabia too.

Thank you President Kerry! We can all sleep soundly tonight.

icebergcomics

d23 - So the fact saddam was paying some terrorists, just not the terrorists that bloodied our nose, is okay. Because surely Palestinian terrorists love the US and would never do anything to us.

Were the Palestinian terrorists SO dangerous to us that we had to spend $200 billion and almost 1000 soldiers lives (not to mention 20,000 Iraqis)in attacking Iraq? Why didn't we attack Palestine? It would have been a lot cheaper to wipe out the Palestinians - geez, we could have made the Israelis do it - they want to do it anyway.

There WAS belief that Saddam, who made bedfellows with terrorists, MAY have been involved with Al quida support. It turns out, maybe he didn't. However he was involved with supporting other groups.

And there's also a belief that the Russians are backing terrorists and China is backing terrorists and Iran is backing terrorists and Chile is backing terrorists and .... you get the picture. Saddam was about as big a threat as Cuba or Chile.

This is a war on Terror, not just al queda. And as George Tenet said: Nobody is completely right nor completely wrong when it comes to the intelligence community.

Well, no. This changed from a war on 'Terror' to a war on Iraq over a year ago.

ahh.. how i love watching people struggle to make their points

don't change the subject, don't mention Kerry, or oil, or anything else...

Bushie and his cult SAID as recently as 6/14/04 that Iraq and AQ worked together... this report says they didn't...

it's that simple... you can't make it mean anything else, no matter how hard you try... just accept the fact you were LIED to and move on

If you still want to vote for Bushie, go ahead.. the smarter americans who can handle playing "connect-the-dots" will not vote for him

Misleading headline. The story says that there was no evidence of Iraq cooperating with Al Qaeda's attack. There is still evidence of general cooperation with their operatives.

Africa is a NATION????

It's the largest nation in Europe.

TiminPhoenix:

you pretty much have admitted that you are basing everything you support on conjecture and assumption, with "well terrorists don't keep great records" as some sort of link that they did in fact have something to do with Iraq.

As for the Saddam wanted to kill americans tripe. Yeah, of course he did. So that's a reason to START A WAR?!?!?! So do Iran, N. Korea, the former Soviet Union and a whole slew of countries throughout time that we have NOT invaded.

sugarpop
What, specifically, makes you believe that a draft is immminent? Seriously.

A draft would ruin any support Bush has for this war, and that's why it won't happen. Even if he's re-elected in November, he won't do it because then the 2006 elections would go against him.

It's very easy for people to support the war when they know there is no chance of their kid going over there and getting blown up.

Sorry to interrupt the circle jerk - but I don't remember ever hearing anything about Iraq having something to do with 9/11. I've heard about the WMD's and the "imminent threat" of Sadaam Hussein, but never that he had something to do with 9/11. We didn't invade Iraq as retaliation for 9/11. We started the war on terror after 9/11, and we started that stage in Iraq to root out Sadaam and his thugs, and other terror that may have existed there. So...

If you want to recite the "Bush is a liar" nonsense, then you have to form a case that he lied. If he was the one that fabricated the WMD stuff, then he lied. If it was intelligence officials, then they lied. Bush didn't lie about Iraq being responsible for 9/11 to my knowledge (Does someone have a quote from Bush stating that Iraq was responsible for 9/11?)So try to use some restraint and credibility when you attack him. If your attacks are well-founded, you won't have a problem from me.

sugarpop

What, specifically, makes you believe that a draft is immminent? Seriously.

I would say the funding of many new Selective Service offices and personnel would be the first indication.

Cyansis

Who do you work for?
With your well-reasoned arguments accompanied by proper spelling and grammer you stand out like a sore thumb. You are making all the young, self-righteous, liberal choir members here very disturbed.

A vote for KERRY is the quickest route to a good republican president. Check my math on this one:

Bush wins in Nov =
4 more crappy years of Bush
4 crappy years of a dem (as anti-Bush) backlash
THEN, hopefully, a REAL republican
total wait for real Republican = 8 years

Kerry wins in Nov =
4 crappy years of Kerry
THEN, hopefully, a REAL republican
total wait for real Republican = 4 years

Apologies for screaming in red Donkey.
This Cyansis guy is obviously a PR guy or a Shill for a politically motivated organization who has just joined fark for the purposes of propoganda...
He is not a farker and it needs to be known.

utter_bastard

Removing saddam may have been a goo thing, but it was not our job to do it.

we have enough problems of our own. Why not try and fix those first.

You're right, the fact that we have control of most of the world's wealth is a big problem. The fact that the average poor person in America could pass as an average rich person in most any other copuntry is horible.

We DON"T have problems. We NEED to help. We have a responsiblity.

The only problem we have is arrogance.

But I guess it's easier to say that having a bad cell phone signal is a real problem.

No link between Al Qaeda and Iraq, well except for all of those Al Queda terrorists we keep finding in Iraq taking shots at our soldiers. Just that link, but not a real concrete link... nothing substantial.

What a bunch of nonsense. Anyone who thinks that the corrupt government run by Saddam wasn't a terrorist hotbed is a complete idiot.

Hey dr_worm_md

Human Rights Watch also says that the invasion is unjustified from a human rights point-of-view, meaning many more people have been killed, injured, and tortured by American forces than Saddam ever would have if he were still in power.

Way to pick and choose your rationales there, buddy -- truly, in the same vein as the cherry picking done on Iraq "pre-war intelligence".

Some asshats never learn.

barjockey

Sorry to interrupt the circle jerk - but I don't remember ever hearing anything about Iraq having something to do with 9/11. I've heard about the WMD's and the "imminent threat" of Sadaam Hussein, but never that he had something to do with 9/11. We didn't invade Iraq as retaliation for 9/11. We started the war on terror after 9/11, and we started that stage in Iraq to root out Sadaam and his thugs, and other terror that may have existed there. So...


Did you miss Cheney yesterday?? WTF? Don't you even listen to your leaders?

Or do you think that Cheney was trying to make the link between Al-Qaeda and Iraq to, I don't know, save postage on Christmas cards?

Well we can clearly believe whatever the 9/11 Commission says, given that it was not formed nor did it operate under any political impetus, but was rather an open-minded and bipartisan attempt at honestly investigating why the attacks happened and what can be done about them in the future.

/Sarcasm, for all the morans who didn't catch it.

Dishiat's very easy for people to support the war when they know there is no chance of their kid going over there and getting blown up.

I couldn't agree with you more. Still wondering on what Bogarterwas basing opinions.

Pollexabator
"Conscripts are inneffectual fighters and like to do things like frag officers. It's called post-Vietnam military reality."

/touches nose.

I would not know. I don't have a cell phone.

But we do have problems here.


They are called the majority of the population of this country.

tylerdurden217
No link between Al Qaeda and Iraq, well except for all of those Al Queda terrorists we keep finding in Iraq taking shots at our soldiers. Just that link, but not a real concrete link... nothing substantial.

Yeah, because there's no chance they got there after the war started to help Iraq fight their common enemy.

Aprilia

"Bushie and his cult SAID as recently as 6/14/04 that Iraq and AQ worked together... this report says they didn't..."

See, this is what I'm talking about. You people have such a hard-on for Bush that you won't let fact get in the way of your hatred.

This report is strictly dealing with Iraq's responsibility or lack thereof on 9/11. Not Iraq and it's ties with al-quaeda. Nobody has ever denied that Iraq and al-quaeda have done plenty of talking and even some training together. But this report is saying as far as 9/11 is concerned, Iraq was not found responsible.

I'm getting used to the lies.