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2018-01-13 10:32:42 AM  
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What about the back door?
 
2018-01-13 10:42:37 AM  
It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.
 
2018-01-13 11:16:03 AM  

FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.


Do you have tape over the cameras on your laptop and cell phone?
 
2018-01-13 11:38:32 AM  

FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.


Take New York City outta the averages and you get something like 15 times a day
 
2018-01-13 11:53:53 AM  

FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.


Well, you're anything but average, so you've got that going for you, which must be nice.

/no snark
//no farkie
///just seemed obvious
 
2018-01-13 12:03:57 PM  
If you live in a condo any expectation of privacy is greatly diminished.
 
2018-01-13 12:07:34 PM  
If he's recording in front of his own door for security, and the cameras can see your door... the dude can already see you at your door any time of the day with his own eyes.

As well, I doubt you're doing anything private walking in and out of your door.  If you are, you're doing it wrong.
 
2018-01-13 12:11:30 PM  

bearded clamorer: What about the back door?


You can eat your dinner
Eat your pork and beans
I eat more chicken
Any man ever seen
 
2018-01-13 12:38:30 PM  
Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?
 
2018-01-13 12:42:40 PM  

Iamos: Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?


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2018-01-13 12:42:52 PM  

downstairs: If he's recording in front of his own door for security, and the cameras can see your door... the dude can already see you at your door any time of the day with his own eyes.

As well, I doubt you're doing anything private walking in and out of your door.  If you are, you're doing it wrong.


Yep, this was settled back when Google Street View became a thing, or at least most people thought it was. If it can be seen from a public area, it ain't "private".
 
2018-01-13 12:43:48 PM  
Good because i am doing that right now!

(My front door cam shows neighbors front door coincidentally)
 
2018-01-13 12:44:03 PM  
6 months from now, when her condo gets robbed, she'll be knocking on their door asking for a copy of the footage.
 
2018-01-13 12:44:39 PM  

FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.


Have you looked under your sink? Notice anything in your HVAC vent? How about the new carbon monoxide detector your creepy landlord installed in your bedroom?
Your Xhamster Channel is very popular.
 
2018-01-13 12:45:00 PM  

bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?


I'd do a lot more than record that back door.
Unf
 
2018-01-13 12:45:13 PM  

downstairs: As well, I doubt you're doing anything private walking in and out of your door.  If you are, you're doing it wrong.


Don't knock it till you try it, bub.
 
2018-01-13 12:47:38 PM  
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2018-01-13 12:48:57 PM  

dennysgod: If you live in a condo any expectation of privacy is greatly diminished.


No, it's not.  Where you live has no bearing on your expectation of privacy.  That being said, someone is free to surveil public areas (or common areas if they have a right to be in those common areas), because your expectation of privacy is lessened - though not negated - in (semi-)public areas.

What I would look into is if his camera can see into your condo when you go in and out.  Because you could argue that him doing so did violate your privacy (assuming an opaque door that is closed except for entering and leaving).  He'd probably just slightly reposition it, but if he's doing it for cheap thrills, at least you've thwarted him.
 
2018-01-13 12:49:22 PM  
I'll record you.  I'll record you good!

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2018-01-13 12:50:25 PM  

rooftop235: bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?

I'd do a lot more than record that back door.
Unf


Not bad, but I prefer a door with bigger knockers.
 
2018-01-13 01:00:25 PM  

bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?


this post should be added to the headline.
 
2018-01-13 01:01:00 PM  

Mikey1969: Yep, this was settled back when Google Street View became a thing, or at least most people thought it was. If it can be seen from a public area, it ain't "private".


I was thinking that, but from someone else's private property isn't necessarily public.  I don't know what the law is in that case.

I think a much more promising legal argument in this case would be that, unless the camera really has to be positioned like that, that they are deliberately taking photos of the person, which could fall under stalking.  This article:

https://burglarfreezone.com/security-​c​ameras/neighbors/

Suggests that they had better at least have some of their yard in the shot too.  

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/08/1​6​/backyard-camera-law/

A new law in New York can get their neighbor to take down the camera.  And if your cameras can record, especially audio, you have to be careful of wiretapping laws.

https://lifehacker.com/make-sure-your​e​-recording-people-with-your-home-secur​it-1787040532
 
2018-01-13 01:01:51 PM  

bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?


Gross.  Big fat asses are not attractive
 
2018-01-13 01:04:33 PM  

cman: FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.

Take New York City outta the averages and you get something like 15 times a day


It goes back up to 6 zillion if one includes cameras used by your employer.
 
2018-01-13 01:08:58 PM  

Turbo Cojones: bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?

Gross.  Big fat asses are not attractive


Ummm ... what exactly is your kink?  12yo girls?  She has a perfectly normal ass.  And perfectly normal tits for that matter.
 
2018-01-13 01:09:20 PM  

eas81: [payback.name image 589x720]


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2018-01-13 01:10:26 PM  
if every time he opens the door it records, just set up some kind of motion thing on the front door that will force it to record non-stop. that guy might rethink the position of the camera if his hard drive is constantly filled or it becomes problematic to review footage or whatever. just saying it's one way to try to irritate that guy enough to angle it differently.
 
2018-01-13 01:11:38 PM  
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2018-01-13 01:11:47 PM  
I feel like a broken record today, but have some fun with his camera.

Make him not want to watch.
 
2018-01-13 01:12:10 PM  
More importantly, why does the letter writer think a realtor is the right person to answer a legal question?
 
2018-01-13 01:13:34 PM  

Turbo Cojones: bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?

Gross.  Big fat asses are not attractive


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2018-01-13 01:14:24 PM  

Iamos: Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?


Laser pointer directly in the lens.
 
2018-01-13 01:16:33 PM  

HoratioGates: Mikey1969: Yep, this was settled back when Google Street View became a thing, or at least most people thought it was. If it can be seen from a public area, it ain't "private".

I was thinking that, but from someone else's private property isn't necessarily public.  I don't know what the law is in that case.

I think a much more promising legal argument in this case would be that, unless the camera really has to be positioned like that, that they are deliberately taking photos of the person, which could fall under stalking.  This article:

https://burglarfreezone.com/security-c​ameras/neighbors/

Suggests that they had better at least have some of their yard in the shot too.  

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16​/backyard-camera-law/

A new law in New York can get their neighbor to take down the camera.  And if your cameras can record, especially audio, you have to be careful of wiretapping laws.

https://lifehacker.com/make-sure-youre​-recording-people-with-your-home-secur​it-1787040532


Unless the people at Lifehacker consulted with a lawyer, the claims about violating wiretapping laws are BS.  There is plenty of case law up to the Appellate level where prosecutors tried to go after people for violation of wiretapping laws when those people records interactions with police either on dash cams or cell phones.  There is case law (at the US Supreme Court level) where a petitioner sued for violation of privacy where someone used a helicopter to record video and photograph the property, and the Court ruled the privacy wasn't violated.  If it's visible from a public space, then video recording or photographing is not a violation.
 
2018-01-13 01:18:05 PM  

bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?


If you're a back door man, it's ok.

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2018-01-13 01:19:13 PM  

eas81: [payback.name image 589x720]


Another classic stalker song:

Daryl Hall & John Oates - Private Eyes
Youtube JsntlJZ9h1U
 
2018-01-13 01:24:17 PM  

phalamir: Turbo Cojones: bearded clamorer: [img.fark.net image 360x480]

What about the back door?

Gross.  Big fat asses are not attractive

Ummm ... what exactly is your kink?  12yo girls?  She has a perfectly normal ass.  And perfectly normal tits for that matter.


Too far away.
 
2018-01-13 01:24:34 PM  

phalamir: Iamos: Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?

Laser pointer directly in the lens.


Damn, I really hope "Adrienne" reads this and tries it out. Not because I think it's a good solution to the problem, but I am curious about the legality of this as a counter-tactic (assuming constant lasering doesn't damage the camera) and I'm positiveit would lead to entertaining confrontations.
 
2018-01-13 01:25:17 PM  

ReapTheChaos: 6 months from now, when her condo gets robbed, she'll be knocking on their door asking for a copy of the footage.


Glad to see this is already covered.
 
2018-01-13 01:27:13 PM  

semiotix: phalamir: Iamos: Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?

Laser pointer directly in the lens.

Damn, I really hope "Adrienne" reads this and tries it out. Not because I think it's a good solution to the problem, but I am curious about the legality of this as a counter-tactic (assuming constant lasering doesn't damage the camera) and I'm positiveit would lead to entertaining confrontations.


If it's also designed for night, which I suspect, then infrared coming from your front window will blind it.
At least that's what the movies taught me.
 
2018-01-13 01:28:28 PM  

HoratioGates: I was thinking that, but from someone else's private property isn't necessarily public.  I don't know what the law is in that case.


It is if it is visible from outside.  I can't prevent my neighbor from looking across my back yard without building a big-ass fence.

Gary-L: Unless the people at Lifehacker consulted with a lawyer, the claims about violating wiretapping laws are BS


Wiretapping isn't BS.  If the person has an expectation people won't hear them, they have some level of protection, even in public.  Katz v US was about a bookie talking on a pay phone, and the case was tossed because even being in a glass phone booth on a public street, he had the expectation that people couldn't hear him.  If your happy ass is out in the wide open, then you're boned.  And if you are right up under the camera and get picked up, you're boned.  But if he's got a directional mike aimed at your door across the street, he's boned.
 
2018-01-13 01:30:15 PM  

HoratioGates: Mikey1969: Yep, this was settled back when Google Street View became a thing, or at least most people thought it was. If it can be seen from a public area, it ain't "private".

I was thinking that, but from someone else's private property isn't necessarily public.  I don't know what the law is in that case.

I think a much more promising legal argument in this case would be that, unless the camera really has to be positioned like that, that they are deliberately taking photos of the person, which could fall under stalking.  This article:

https://burglarfreezone.com/security-c​ameras/neighbors/

Suggests that they had better at least have some of their yard in the shot too.  

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16​/backyard-camera-law/

A new law in New York can get their neighbor to take down the camera.  And if your cameras can record, especially audio, you have to be careful of wiretapping laws.

https://lifehacker.com/make-sure-youre​-recording-people-with-your-home-secur​it-1787040532


Generally stalking has to involve someone having a reasonable feeling that they will come under a some sort of physical threat of harm.  At least that's what I remember from law school 15+ years ago.

My neighbor put up a few cameras that partially capture my house because some kids were stealing his Amazon packages or whatever and that doesn't bother me.

The whole thing comes down to a spider web of federal and state laws and the state laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
 
2018-01-13 01:31:44 PM  

semiotix: phalamir: Iamos: Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?

Laser pointer directly in the lens.

Damn, I really hope "Adrienne" reads this and tries it out. Not because I think it's a good solution to the problem, but I am curious about the legality of this as a counter-tactic (assuming constant lasering doesn't damage the camera) and I'm positiveit would lead to entertaining confrontations.


"I was trying to determine where his camera was pointing because I evidently am responsible for deploying duck-blinds just to go in and out of my own home.  Sorry; I was just trying to be properly respectful of his right to surveil the entirety of the known world."
 
2018-01-13 01:31:54 PM  
This whole discussion is just testing how you guys feel about surveillance.
Pretty soon you'll find that law 'enforcement' is setting up mini cameras in front of suspects homes, claiming that it was visible from a public location.
After that, everywhere will be covered, including with microphones, because, hey, you were in public.
 
2018-01-13 01:32:12 PM  

FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.


The average American evidently works in a 7-11 and lives in an arcology.
 
2018-01-13 01:32:20 PM  

FormlessOne: It is estimated that the average American is caught on camera more than 75 times each day.

I haven't left my house in over two weeks, thanks to time off, grocery delivery, and nasty weather. I can farking guarantee that I haven't been caught on camera over a thousand times during that timeframe.


Well, according to the law of averages there could be someone else getting caught on camera 150 times or more a day.  Most anyone in a high density Metropolitan area could be getting on camera thousands of times a day.  While Bubba out in the Rocky mountains might never been seen, or even see a camera, in his entire life
 
2018-01-13 01:33:20 PM  

phalamir: HoratioGates: I was thinking that, but from someone else's private property isn't necessarily public.  I don't know what the law is in that case.

It is if it is visible from outside.  I can't prevent my neighbor from looking across my back yard without building a big-ass fence.

Gary-L: Unless the people at Lifehacker consulted with a lawyer, the claims about violating wiretapping laws are BS

Wiretapping isn't BS.  If the person has an expectation people won't hear them, they have some level of protection, even in public.  Katz v US was about a bookie talking on a pay phone, and the case was tossed because even being in a glass phone booth on a public street, he had the expectation that people couldn't hear him.  If your happy ass is out in the wide open, then you're boned.  And if you are right up under the camera and get picked up, you're boned.  But if he's got a directional mike aimed at your door across the street, he's boned.


I didn't say wiretapping is BS.  The problem is people are misinterpreting and misapplying the law.
 
2018-01-13 01:33:27 PM  

phalamir: Iamos: Find the property line and erect a visual barrier? Maybe a fabric panel with rotating choice messaging and graphics?

Laser pointer directly in the lens.


I'm sure there's a way to'bloom' Or overload the camera lens. If every time your door opens the lens whites out, they'll repoint the camera fairly quickly. If it's just coincidentally pointing your way, be annoying. Smile, wave, hold up cards that tell what you've seen them do. You can record their door just as much as they can yours.
 
2018-01-13 01:35:09 PM  
So I should shut the door when I'm masturbating, is what you're telling me
 
2018-01-13 01:47:25 PM  

gameshowhost: So I should shut the door when I'm masturbating, is what you're telling me


Not necessarily.   You're up to over 100k views on youporn.
 
2018-01-13 01:51:10 PM  

dennysgod: If you live in a condo any expectation of privacy is greatly diminished.


If'n you live in a condo, or apartment building, the outside is the purview of the manager. The camera, recording the outside of the door, is on the outside and should be OK'd by him. That's where the next step should be. Be prepared to compromise...he's well within his rights to record a shared space. The manager should negotiate a peaceful solution, unless he's buddies and getting extra BJs (NTTAWWT ).

Photographers have this same conundrum, in reverse. People, especially LEO, insist that you erase a photo because the camera has them in the shot. Remember this: Anything viewed from a public, i.e., shared space, thoroughfare can be photographed or videoed. They can ask, but they can't demand.
 
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