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(New Musical Express)   After twenty-nine seasons, The Simpsons will finally address the problem with Apu   ( nme.com) divider line
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2018-01-13 10:24:10 AM  
What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.
 
2018-01-13 10:31:25 AM  

LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.


Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.
 
2018-01-13 10:34:51 AM  
The fark is autoplay on that page. Also what the hell is "post 9/11" relevant with Apu?
 
2018-01-13 10:48:28 AM  
Oh look, drama out of a non-issue.

Name a character on The Simpsons who isn't a stereotype, satirizing whatever it is they're stereotyping. That is literally the entire farking point.
 
2018-01-13 10:55:21 AM  
I've been meaning to watch that doc.
 
2018-01-13 11:05:15 AM  
It's time to move on.
 
2018-01-13 11:05:30 AM  

LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.


While dealing with the difficulties of an arranged marriage and an unexpectedly large family.  He should be sainted.

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2018-01-13 11:17:05 AM  
He never fixed the cable?
 
2018-01-13 11:17:17 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.


He asked what was offensive. Saying "other people find it offensive" does not answer that question.
 
2018-01-13 11:20:23 AM  
That he and the rest of the show should have shut down about a decade ago, so that when the Simpsons received its inevitable "reboot," they could either phase out the character or rewrite him?
 
2018-01-13 11:21:30 AM  

LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.


It's not so much that Apu is a stereotype, it's that a non southeast Asian person has been voicing him for years and it seems kind of insensitive at this point.  I'm not Indian but I can understand that it might feel insulting to someone of that nationality.
 
2018-01-13 11:23:08 AM  
As a male who once was a child I am offended by Ralphie and his stupidity. And since I grew up with blue hair, I'm offended by the character of Milhouse and his geekyness.  And since i am a grown male adult I am offended by homer and his stupidity. GET RID OF THIS HORRIBLE TRIGGERFEST OF A CARTOON!!!!
 
2018-01-13 11:24:37 AM  
It only took them almost thirty years to be offended enough to say something? Sounds like someone was looking for something, anything, to be offended by

/ seems to be a pretty popular hobby these days
 
2018-01-13 11:24:48 AM  

MHudson: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.

He asked what was offensive. Saying "other people find it offensive" does not answer that question.


An Indian guy in an arranged marriage that owns a convenience store.
Listen, I'm not saying any offense is warranted, but it's no surprise people are offended by stereotyping. People will whine about anything these days.
 
2018-01-13 11:28:33 AM  
Every character on the Simpson's is a stereotype. That's what makes it funny.

Lighten up humans, this is getting dumb.
 
2018-01-13 11:28:56 AM  
For all these people asking why he's offensive, or complaining that everyone is just "triggered" nowadays, there's a really great and thoughtful documentary out there called The Problem With Apu, where Indian comedians and actors discuss having their only representation on T.V. being and outright stereotype voiced by some white guy.
 
2018-01-13 11:29:04 AM  

kermit the forg: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

It's not so much that Apu is a stereotype, it's that a non southeast Asian

Indian Subcontinent person has been voicing him for years and it seems kind of insensitive at this point.  I'm not Indian but I can understand that it might feel insulting to someone of that nationality.

FTFY.

/southeast Asia is er, more south and more east of Asia
 
2018-01-13 11:30:24 AM  

Lupis626: Every character on the Simpson's is a stereotype. That's what makes it funny.

Lighten up humans, this is getting dumb.


Hell the biggest stereotype in the show is Homer Simpson.
 
2018-01-13 11:31:03 AM  

TheMarchHare: For all these people asking why he's offensive, or complaining that everyone is just "triggered" nowadays, there's a really great and thoughtful documentary out there called The Problem With Apu, where Indian comedians and actors discuss having their only representation on T.V. being and outright stereotype voiced by some white guy.


And then they go to watch a movie and end up seeing Short Circuit.
 
2018-01-13 11:33:09 AM  
I am offended at this shows portrayal of Homer Simpson. As a fat American I take exception to the fact that he is a total moran.
 
2018-01-13 11:39:52 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.


Just because a few people say something offends them, doesn't make that thing offensive.
 
2018-01-13 11:46:11 AM  
well, the show has been on for 30 years. of course someone is going to continue to be offended by it.

i think i'll wait for the documentary about all of the scientists offended that the voice of the skinny nerdy Nutty Professor scientist was neither skinny nor nerdy nor even a scientist. i mean, what has the world become if the parodies of certain stereotypes aren't fully formed by living breathing non-parodies of said stereotypes?! Sorry, Hank, you may only do voices for actual caucasian bodybuilding actors or none at all.
 
2018-01-13 11:51:16 AM  

The Flexecutioner: well, the show has been on for 30 years. of course someone is going to continue to be offended by it.

i think i'll wait for the documentary about all of the scientists offended that the voice of the skinny nerdy Nutty Professor scientist was neither skinny nor nerdy nor even a scientist. i mean, what has the world become if the parodies of certain stereotypes aren't fully formed by living breathing non-parodies of said stereotypes?! Sorry, Hank, you may only do voices for actual caucasian bodybuilding actors or none at all.


Cletus and Brandine are stereotypical rednecks. The next documentary should be about how they make southerners lives hell by perpetuating the stereotype that they are all sisterfarkers.
 
2018-01-13 11:54:35 AM  

cman: The Flexecutioner: well, the show has been on for 30 years. of course someone is going to continue to be offended by it.

i think i'll wait for the documentary about all of the scientists offended that the voice of the skinny nerdy Nutty Professor scientist was neither skinny nor nerdy nor even a scientist. i mean, what has the world become if the parodies of certain stereotypes aren't fully formed by living breathing non-parodies of said stereotypes?! Sorry, Hank, you may only do voices for actual caucasian bodybuilding actors or none at all.

Cletus and Brandine are stereotypical rednecks. The next documentary should be about how they make southerners lives hell by perpetuating the stereotype that they are all sisterfarkers.


At least the white people get stereotypes one step deeper than their skin color.
 
2018-01-13 11:55:29 AM  

STDMan69: The fark is autoplay on that page. Also what the hell is "post 9/11" relevant with Apu?


Indians Hindus have been attacked because they were assumed to be Muslim since 9/11.
 
2018-01-13 11:55:52 AM  

Flappyhead: Lupis626: Every character on the Simpson's is a stereotype. That's what makes it funny.

Lighten up humans, this is getting dumb.

Hell the biggest stereotype in the show is Homer Simpson.


Agreed. Every single character is an over exaggeration of stereotypes. I cant think of one who isn't.
 
2018-01-13 12:01:02 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.


Just because people are easily-offended doesn't mean there is merit to the contrived controversy. There's no inherent right to not be offended. Plenty of entertainers ape redneck accents and ridicule them as dumb (even, gasp on the Simpsons!) ... where's the outrage. It's a stupid cartoon that makes fun of everyone involved. Damn snowflakes.
 
2018-01-13 12:01:04 PM  
Does that mean Aziz Ansari will voice him then?

Fisher Stevens played an Indian in Short Circuit 1 and 2.
 
2018-01-13 12:01:49 PM  

alternative girlfriend: STDMan69: The fark is autoplay on that page. Also what the hell is "post 9/11" relevant with Apu?

Indians Hindus have been attacked because they were assumed to be Muslim since 9/11.


I've heard of shiites being attacked, but what kind of backwoods retard can't tell the difference between an Indian Hindu and a Middle Eastern?  I guess the same kind of retard that would attack someone based on their religion...
 
2018-01-13 12:02:58 PM  

cman: I am offended at this shows portrayal of Homer Simpson. As a fat American I take exception to the fact that he is a total moran.


As a total moron, I am offended that Homer is depicted as a fat American.
 
2018-01-13 12:03:03 PM  
Some of the boy characters are voiced by women. It's an outrage!
 
2018-01-13 12:04:36 PM  
Ya know, I think the problem really is the accent. Apu is so easily reduced to the accent. If you can do the accent, you have ammo to fling at Indian-looking kids on the playground. All the characters have a way of speaking and some catchphrases that you can imitate if you're so inclined, completely divorced from any redeeming features they might otherwise have, but Apu is a little bit easier to do, and you can use him to insult a make fun of/torment some easily identifiable minority people and make yourself feel funny/better than them. It is more difficult to, say, tease a ruthless capitalist with Mr. Burns, especially on the playground. I could see Indian kids growing up with a special hatred for Apu just because it was easy and popular and they never stopped hearing it. Worse than a kid named Eileen getting proper sick of Dexy's Midnight Runners, because of the addition of racism. I think this is more of a society problem than a problem with the character (who is nuanced and gets development on the show) or with stereotypes and caricatures being used for humor (everyone on The Simpsons it at least a caricature), but it would be nice to acknowledge and maybe apologize to a generation of Indian folks who got hit over the head with your funny voice on a daily basis, even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I don't think casting a real Indian guy would fix/have fixed the problem. Stunt voice casting via ethnicity instead of fame is a new thing, not a bad thing, but it doesn't make stereotypes unstereotypical. The Simpsons was popular (with kids AND adults)  Apu was an obvious minority and he had a funny voice. This was a perfect storm of circumstances to make a lot of people miserable, even if the character himself was a secret agent instead of the Qwikie Mart guy.
 
2018-01-13 12:05:39 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.


And those people are stupid for finding offense in a foreigner who is living the American dream.
 
2018-01-13 12:07:13 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.


I find it offensive that people are offended.
 
2018-01-13 12:08:39 PM  

Imaginativescreenname: As a male who once was a child I am offended by Ralphie and his stupidity. And since I grew up with blue hair, I'm offended by the character of Milhouse and his geekyness.  And since i am a grown male adult I am offended by homer and his stupidity. GET RID OF THIS HORRIBLE TRIGGERFEST OF A CARTOON!!!!


You laugh, but there's a 13-year-old nonbinary pan trans ace poc who just put this on their Tumblr and was serious.
 
2018-01-13 12:09:47 PM  

kermit the forg: it's that a non southeast Asian person has been voicing him for years


Bart is voiced by Nancy Cartwright...

/Women portraying men, non-whites portraying whites...innovative!
//White men portraying anything other than white men...racist/sexist!
\\\Forward slasihes being portrayed by backward slashies
 
2018-01-13 12:11:51 PM  
It'll be interesting to see if they address it within the context of the show, although I must confess to not having watched it since I was in high school in the 90s.

If it were my show, I would probably just Irish-exit the character entirely. But after this long it's kinda like closing the barn door after the cows have gotten out.
 
2018-01-13 12:14:13 PM  

kermit the forg: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

It's not so much that Apu is a stereotype, it's that a non southeast Asian person has been voicing him for years and it seems kind of insensitive at this point.  I'm not Indian but I can understand that it might feel insulting to someone of that nationality.


You want a Vietnamese guy to be his voice?

//this is the problem with being offended on behalf of other people
 
2018-01-13 12:15:02 PM  
It's about time!I, for one, am looking forward to this:

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2018-01-13 12:16:24 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: Worse than a kid named Eileen getting proper sick of Dexy's Midnight Runners


Not to try to threadjack, but it's my personal theory that virtually every name has a song, commercial or meme that they can't stand involving their name due to over use.  For example: Roxanne, Jenny, Mikey, etc.
 
2018-01-13 12:16:47 PM  

DoBeDoBeLurk: Ya know, I think the problem really is the accent. Apu is so easily reduced to the accent. If you can do the accent, you have ammo to fling at Indian-looking kids on the playground. All the characters have a way of speaking and some catchphrases that you can imitate if you're so inclined, completely divorced from any redeeming features they might otherwise have, but Apu is a little bit easier to do, and you can use him to insult a make fun of/torment some easily identifiable minority people and make yourself feel funny/better than them. It is more difficult to, say, tease a ruthless capitalist with Mr. Burns, especially on the playground. I could see Indian kids growing up with a special hatred for Apu just because it was easy and popular and they never stopped hearing it. Worse than a kid named Eileen getting proper sick of Dexy's Midnight Runners, because of the addition of racism. I think this is more of a society problem than a problem with the character (who is nuanced and gets development on the show) or with stereotypes and caricatures being used for humor (everyone on The Simpsons it at least a caricature), but it would be nice to acknowledge and maybe apologize to a generation of Indian folks who got hit over the head with your funny voice on a daily basis, even if you didn't mean for it to happen.

I don't think casting a real Indian guy would fix/have fixed the problem. Stunt voice casting via ethnicity instead of fame is a new thing, not a bad thing, but it doesn't make stereotypes unstereotypical. The Simpsons was popular (with kids AND adults)  Apu was an obvious minority and he had a funny voice. This was a perfect storm of circumstances to make a lot of people miserable, even if the character himself was a secret agent instead of the Qwikie Mart guy.


Good point. Voice\accent exaggeration does seem to be a factor and a large one at that.

Earlier i was going to point out the character of Ravi from the Disney show Jessie. he IS played by an indian actor, and his accent is so over-the-top, and done so deliberately, that it seems far more potentially offensive than Apu (particularly when one character calls him Mowgli. Yeah, it's a disney show making a disney reference but still, seems like pushing it.).

For comparison here's a clip of his real voice, and the show itself below.

Used Karma - Minibyte - Jessie - Disney Channel Official
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2018-01-13 12:18:34 PM  
Thought-provoking satire is supposed to be a bit offensive. That's entirely the point.
 
2018-01-13 12:18:43 PM  

STDMan69: alternative girlfriend: STDMan69: The fark is autoplay on that page. Also what the hell is "post 9/11" relevant with Apu?

Indians Hindus have been attacked because they were assumed to be Muslim since 9/11.

I've heard of shiites being attacked, but what kind of backwoods retard can't tell the difference between an Indian Hindu and a Middle Eastern?  I guess the same kind of retard that would attack someone based on their religion...


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I marked you because of your previous racism against Indian-Americans so maybe keep your mouth shut

//"A Middle Eastern" jfc you sound like Trump
 
2018-01-13 12:18:44 PM  
If the Simpsons want to represent an Indian man, he should be a Mormon white woman with a Southie accent; really break down those stereotypes. But he should also be voiced by an Indian man, to keep things authentic.
 
2018-01-13 12:19:18 PM  
Excellent
 
2018-01-13 12:20:50 PM  

moothemagiccow: STDMan69: alternative girlfriend: STDMan69: The fark is autoplay on that page. Also what the hell is "post 9/11" relevant with Apu?

Indians Hindus have been attacked because they were assumed to be Muslim since 9/11.

I've heard of shiites being attacked, but what kind of backwoods retard can't tell the difference between an Indian Hindu and a Middle Eastern?  I guess the same kind of retard that would attack someone based on their religion...

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I marked you because of your previous racism against Indian-Americans so maybe keep your mouth shut

//"A Middle Eastern" jfc you sound like Trump


Holy fark, you've done it now.
 
2018-01-13 12:23:10 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: MHudson: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.

He asked what was offensive. Saying "other people find it offensive" does not answer that question.

An Indian guy in an arranged marriage that owns a convenience store.
Listen, I'm not saying any offense is warranted, but it's no surprise people are offended by stereotyping. People will whine about anything these days.


Not to play devil's advocate,  but there IS a reason that a stereotype is a stereotype. They're never 100% correct, and they do pigeonhole entire races and species (ie: pitbulls= killers), but typically someone/something has done something enough that it just becomes easier to lump an entire group together with a single description. Not saying it's right, just saying that it is.
 
2018-01-13 12:23:39 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: MHudson: Bovine Diarrhea Virus: LordZorch: What problem?  Easily the smartest, kindest, sanest, most normal character on the show, that runs his own business.

Just because you don't find offense with it doesn't mean other people don't.

He asked what was offensive. Saying "other people find it offensive" does not answer that question.

An Indian guy in an arranged marriage that owns a convenience store.
Listen, I'm not saying any offense is warranted, but it's no surprise people are offended by stereotyping. People will whine about anything these days.


Yes especially since the Alien Police has been raiding 7-11's to crack down on illegal hiring of Hispanics.  Sorry, Simpsons, right color, wrong accent.
 
2018-01-13 12:26:35 PM  
Would you like a Hustler with your purchase of a Slim Jim?
 
2018-01-13 12:29:06 PM  

sat1va: Some of the boy characters are voiced by women. It's an outrage!


It's almost like there are professionals in the entertainment industry who specialize in voicing all manner of different characters in animated shows, movies and video games.
 
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