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2018-01-12 12:04:20 PM  
Non-lawsuit backlash: I was really considering one for my next phone. I've got a macbook so possibilities.

But then came talk of facial recognition and other issues. Battery thing sealed it for me. Maybe next time.
 
2018-01-12 12:27:25 PM  

edmo: Non-lawsuit backlash: I was really considering one for my next phone. I've got a macbook so possibilities.

But then came talk of facial recognition and other issues. Battery thing sealed it for me. Maybe next time.


BUT YOU CAN HAVE SINGING UNICORN EMOJI!

(I hate that farking ad)

I took my phone to go the Apple Store to get in line for a new battery. It'll be about four weeks till it gets in and they can replace it....

....or try to if my phone wasn't magically slightly bent. They'll try it but I'm betting it'll come down to suddenly needing to just replace it for $300
 
2018-01-12 12:36:52 PM  
So is TIVO next?
 
2018-01-12 12:49:09 PM  
One is naive if the added bonus of being inking old phones and pads did not play s role in Apple's decisions to push out irreversible OS upgrades.
 
2018-01-12 12:54:40 PM  

Aar1012: BUT YOU CAN HAVE SINGING UNICORN EMOJI!


Better than being a singing piece of shiat.
 
2018-01-12 12:55:12 PM  
I started with an original iPhone and have upgraded every other year except for the 8/X models.  My 6S is doing just fine with no battery issues, thank you very much.
 
2018-01-12 12:58:22 PM  
I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.
 
2018-01-12 01:00:04 PM  
My Pixel 2 has the best battery life of any phone I've ever owned.
 
2018-01-12 01:01:53 PM  

bronyaur1: One is naive if the added bonus of being inking old phones and pads did not play s role in Apple's decisions to push out irreversible OS upgrades.


I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.
 
2018-01-12 01:08:31 PM  
Aar1012:I took my phone to go the Apple Store to get in line for a new battery. It'll be about four weeks till it gets in and they can replace it....

That's fortunate.  My friend was giddy knowing she could replace her battery on the cheap, but the apple store here said that they won't get any batteries until April.

It just works!
 
2018-01-12 01:23:56 PM  

bingethinker: I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.


The lawsuits are propaganda?

Come on. It's ok. Apple is a big shiatty company with one purpose just like all the rest: maximize profits. Their problem (and the problem faced by most handheld marketers) is that the space is mature. Without planned obsolescence, their volume's going way down. Doesn't help that there are cheaper phones that are just as useful.
 
2018-01-12 01:28:16 PM  

bighairyguy: I started with an original iPhone and have upgraded every other year except for the 8/X models.  My 6S is doing just fine with no battery issues, thank you very much.


Upgrade to IOS 12 next year and it won't be.
 
2018-01-12 01:29:05 PM  

H31N0US: bingethinker: I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.

The lawsuits are propaganda?

Come on. It's ok. Apple is a big shiatty company with one purpose just like all the rest: maximize profits. Their problem (and the problem faced by most handheld marketers) is that the space is mature. Without planned obsolescence, their volume's going way down. Doesn't help that there are cheaper phones that are just as useful.


Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model
 
2018-01-12 01:32:47 PM  
I've got an iphone 4s. Why, yes, it does suck but I'm not shelling out hundreds of dollars for another phone that's going to suck just as much next year as this one does now.

Compare that to the gaming rig I built in 2013 for which I am only now considering a video card upgrade and you'll see why I think all the phone vendors can EABOD.
 
2018-01-12 01:32:56 PM  
When given a choice between an Android phone that suddenly turns off without warning because the battery has reached it's end of life or an iPhone that clocks itself down instead of just turning off without warning, I'll take the latter.

Of course, not even Google's phones get software updates past two years, which happens to be the average lifespan of a battery, so you have to throw the whole thing away no matter if the battery is still good or not.
 
2018-01-12 01:35:08 PM  

Fano: Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model


Imagine if Ford refused to release updates that kept thieves from being able to steal your car's contents any time they liked past two years of ownership.
 
2018-01-12 01:35:46 PM  
What's that? The iphone 4s was released in 2011?

/ok, that's pretty damn old
//maybe it is time for a new one
///anybody have some recommendations? Cheap. I only use it for maps, voicemail and texting
 
2018-01-12 01:37:27 PM  

Fano: H31N0US: bingethinker: I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.

The lawsuits are propaganda?

Come on. It's ok. Apple is a big shiatty company with one purpose just like all the rest: maximize profits. Their problem (and the problem faced by most handheld marketers) is that the space is mature. Without planned obsolescence, their volume's going way down. Doesn't help that there are cheaper phones that are just as useful.

Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model


The upgrade was handled poorly there should have been an opt in on the battery saving features.

The iphone most effected is the 6, which people have had 3+ years but had not replaced the batteries(and batteries need to be replaced).

So when batteries were getting old and the phone was taxing them, the phone shut off, so that is the reason the code was added to the OS.  It literally checks the battery cells and charge efficiency to stop the shutoffs that were happening on weak batteries.

Again it should have been an opt in with multiple opt ins.

However, the majority of people who are complaining.

1.Have not changed their batteries when they should have.
2.The majority of the slow downs are people with no memory left on their phones or have a gazillion apps open.

But like my grandmother, they read something in Readers Digest or heard it on the news, and now they have the problem.

And people just want a 29 dollar battery.

Apple is replacing them regardless of whether they have a good battery or not.
 
2018-01-12 01:37:32 PM  

BullBearMS: Fano: Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model

Imagine if Ford refused to release updates that kept thieves from being able to steal your car's contents any time they liked past two years of ownership.


So, you mean like now?
 
2018-01-12 01:39:13 PM  

BullBearMS: When given a choice between an Android phone that suddenly turns off without warning because the battery has reached it's end of life or an iPhone that clocks itself down instead of just turning off without warning, I'll take the latter.

Of course, not even Google's phones get software updates past two years, which happens to be the average lifespan of a battery, so you have to throw the whole thing away no matter if the battery is still good or not.


Question, how can you say this when the oldest phone made by Google is currently 15 months old?
 
2018-01-12 01:41:39 PM  

chaoswolf: What's that? The iphone 4s was released in 2011?

/ok, that's pretty damn old
//maybe it is time for a new one
///anybody have some recommendations? Cheap. I only use it for maps, voicemail and texting


iPhone SE? It's the size you're used to and is the cheapest model.

They are supposed to update it in a few months, so I'd hold out for that. Either get the newer version or the older version even cheaper.
 
2018-01-12 01:42:28 PM  

Fano: BullBearMS: Fano: Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model

Imagine if Ford refused to release updates that kept thieves from being able to steal your car's contents any time they liked past two years of ownership.

So, you mean like now?


Yes, Android vendors refuse to provide software and security updates for their phones right now.
 
2018-01-12 01:44:49 PM  

mjbok: BullBearMS: When given a choice between an Android phone that suddenly turns off without warning because the battery has reached it's end of life or an iPhone that clocks itself down instead of just turning off without warning, I'll take the latter.

Of course, not even Google's phones get software updates past two years, which happens to be the average lifespan of a battery, so you have to throw the whole thing away no matter if the battery is still good or not.

Question, how can you say this when the oldest phone made by Google is currently 15 months old?


Because you don't know that Google has been selling devices and refusing to provide them with software updates right from the start?
 
2018-01-12 01:45:45 PM  
in terms of what makes someone drop a cell phone for a new one faster, i happen to think apple is doing it right for their customers. though of course a non user replaceable battery is not exactly end user friendly.
Attempts to ensure your batter life keep up probably prolong the life and postpone replacements longer for many users.
A phone that runs slower does still run, compare to a phone with a batter that dies before the end of a reasonably useful amount of time each day.

the situation is of course that we all understand apple does have a vested interest in us buying new phones sooner. but it is just an assumption they do this in a self interest way that is negative, instead of potentially positive for us.
Forgetting that if we felt we had to replace it too soon we'd be more liekly to consider the completion next time.

this is how apple attempts to balance out their, no replaceable battery design, with trying to get a reasonable life expectancy out of that single battery that will seem reasonable to the end users.
 
2018-01-12 01:47:48 PM  

H31N0US: I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.


I have odd "screen ghost" issues. Like, I will open mail, and for a second it will show one email (that maybe I deleted, maybe not), and then go to the email list.  It happens with multiple apps.  I get a quick screenshot of the app at some point in the last day or two, then the app runs normally.  Its annoying.
 
2018-01-12 01:51:51 PM  

This text is now purple: Aar1012: BUT YOU CAN HAVE SINGING UNICORN EMOJI!

Better than being a singing piece of shiat.


There's a Nickleback Emoji?
 
2018-01-12 01:52:00 PM  

BullBearMS: mjbok: BullBearMS: When given a choice between an Android phone that suddenly turns off without warning because the battery has reached it's end of life or an iPhone that clocks itself down instead of just turning off without warning, I'll take the latter.

Of course, not even Google's phones get software updates past two years, which happens to be the average lifespan of a battery, so you have to throw the whole thing away no matter if the battery is still good or not.

Question, how can you say this when the oldest phone made by Google is currently 15 months old?

Because you don't know that Google has been selling devices and refusing to provide them with software updates right from the start?


Google has had two phone series, the Pixel and the Pixel 2, both of which have xl variants.  The first was released in October of 2016 and is guaranteed software updates through 2018 and security updates through 2019.  That doesn't mean it will end in 2018.  My current Samsung phone is 3 years old and the last update was two months ago.  A software update to an Android phone I've owned has never made it unusable.  I can't say the same thing about an iPhone I had.
 
2018-01-12 01:55:21 PM  

Hack Patooey: H31N0US: I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.

I have odd "screen ghost" issues. Like, I will open mail, and for a second it will show one email (that maybe I deleted, maybe not), and then go to the email list.  It happens with multiple apps.  I get a quick screenshot of the app at some point in the last day or two, then the app runs normally.  Its annoying.


That's how iOS works.

It takes a screenshot of an app when it closes it out. It re-displays that screenshot while it is restarting the app for you.
 
2018-01-12 01:56:14 PM  
It's really not that complicated.

Starting with the 6 screens got a lot bigger, meaning a lot more power usage. Batteries were increased correspondingly, but they're used more. Batteries chemically degrade - it's just how they work. Combined with increased power usage it can cause the phone to shut down. Apple made a software tweak that made it so the phone throttled down when this occurs. It's not dangerous, it's not stealing from you - it's fixing the reality.

What apple DID do wrong is two fold: One, not making this clear, and Two, giving hard-line about giving batteries only to people with failing ones. If this had been more clearly documented as to why it was happened, and if they just let people get a battery if they wanted one and not just because it failed a test, it would be fine.

I'll say this as an AASP, that 90% of the phones I've done in the last week have NOT had failing or even close to failing batteries - they won't be effected by the change. I don't care, I'm getting paid, I'll do their upgrade. Their issues are often simple software problems - fixed by resetting the phone and restoring from backup. Of course, we get lots of people who don't backup their phones and have some abnormal fear of iCloud.
 
2018-01-12 01:56:35 PM  

BullBearMS: Fano: BullBearMS: Fano: Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model

Imagine if Ford refused to release updates that kept thieves from being able to steal your car's contents any time they liked past two years of ownership.

So, you mean like now?

Yes, Android vendors refuse to provide software and security updates for their phones right now.


His point is that no car manufacturer has ever updated the security features of any of their vehicles unless there was a clear defect.  Go ahead, take any car from any manufacturer to the dealer and tell them you want your free security feature upgrade.
 
2018-01-12 01:56:50 PM  

mjbok: Google has had two phone series, the Pixel and the Pixel 2, both of which have xl variants.


Because we are pretending the Google Nexus line never existed?

If Apple wanted to force people to buy new devices, they would do what Google does and refuse to provide software and security fixes for the devices they sell you after two years.
 
2018-01-12 01:57:39 PM  

This text is now purple: Aar1012: BUT YOU CAN HAVE SINGING UNICORN EMOJI!

Better than being a singing piece of shiat.


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2018-01-12 02:01:25 PM  

Callous: BullBearMS: Fano: BullBearMS: Fano: Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model

Imagine if Ford refused to release updates that kept thieves from being able to steal your car's contents any time they liked past two years of ownership.

So, you mean like now?

Yes, Android vendors refuse to provide software and security updates for their phones right now.

His point is that no car manufacturer has ever updated the security features of any of their vehicles unless there was a clear defect.  Go ahead, take any car from any manufacturer to the dealer and tell them you want your free security feature upgrade.


Being able to remotely take over your Android device because, for example, you have Bluetooth turned on absolutely renders the user unable to trust the contents of their phone.

Virtually any Android, Linux, or Windows device that hasn't been recently patched and has Bluetooth turned on can be compromised by an attacking device within 32 feet. It doesn't require device users to click on any links, connect to a rogue Bluetooth device, or take any other action, short of leaving Bluetooth on. The exploit process is generally very fast, requiring no more than 10 seconds to complete, and it works even when the targeted device is already connected to another Bluetooth-enabled device.

"Just by having Bluetooth on, we can get malicious code on your device," Nadir Izrael, CTO and cofounder of security firm Armis, told Ars. "BlueBorne abuses the fact that when Bluetooth is on, all of these devices are always listening for connections."


You have forced users to buy a whole new phone because you refuse to provide software and security updates.

If Apple wanted to force people to buy new devices, THAT is what they would do.
 
2018-01-12 02:01:43 PM  

saintstryfe: It's really not that complicated.

Starting with the 6 screens got a lot bigger, meaning a lot more power usage. Batteries were increased correspondingly, but they're used more. Batteries chemically degrade - it's just how they work. Combined with increased power usage it can cause the phone to shut down. Apple made a software tweak that made it so the phone throttled down when this occurs. It's not dangerous, it's not stealing from you - it's fixing the reality.

What apple DID do wrong is two fold: One, not making this clear, and Two, giving hard-line about giving batteries only to people with failing ones. If this had been more clearly documented as to why it was happened, and if they just let people get a battery if they wanted one and not just because it failed a test, it would be fine.

I'll say this as an AASP, that 90% of the phones I've done in the last week have NOT had failing or even close to failing batteries - they won't be effected by the change. I don't care, I'm getting paid, I'll do their upgrade. Their issues are often simple software problems - fixed by resetting the phone and restoring from backup. Of course, we get lots of people who don't backup their phones and have some abnormal fear of iCloud.


What someone with an abnormal fear of iCloud might look like.
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2018-01-12 02:06:13 PM  
 
2018-01-12 02:06:24 PM  

Callous: What someone with an abnormal fear of iCloud might look like.


Well, that or an abnormal fear of secure passwords.
 
2018-01-12 02:09:05 PM  

BullBearMS: Callous: BullBearMS: Fano: BullBearMS: Fano: Imagine if Ford could make your car get 5mpg every time they released a new model

Imagine if Ford refused to release updates that kept thieves from being able to steal your car's contents any time they liked past two years of ownership.

So, you mean like now?

Yes, Android vendors refuse to provide software and security updates for their phones right now.

His point is that no car manufacturer has ever updated the security features of any of their vehicles unless there was a clear defect.  Go ahead, take any car from any manufacturer to the dealer and tell them you want your free security feature upgrade.

Being able to remotely take over your Android device because, for example, you have Bluetooth turned on absolutely renders the user unable to trust the contents of their phone.

Virtually any Android, Linux, or Windows device that hasn't been recently patched and has Bluetooth turned on can be compromised by an attacking device within 32 feet. It doesn't require device users to click on any links, connect to a rogue Bluetooth device, or take any other action, short of leaving Bluetooth on. The exploit process is generally very fast, requiring no more than 10 seconds to complete, and it works even when the targeted device is already connected to another Bluetooth-enabled device.

"Just by having Bluetooth on, we can get malicious code on your device," Nadir Izrael, CTO and cofounder of security firm Armis, told Ars. "BlueBorne abuses the fact that when Bluetooth is on, all of these devices are always listening for connections."

You have forced users to buy a whole new phone because you refuse to provide software and security updates.

If Apple wanted to force people to buy new devices, THAT is what they would do.


iPhanboi whataboutism detected.
 
2018-01-12 02:09:21 PM  

Aar1012: edmo: Non-lawsuit backlash: I was really considering one for my next phone. I've got a macbook so possibilities.

But then came talk of facial recognition and other issues. Battery thing sealed it for me. Maybe next time.

BUT YOU CAN HAVE SINGING UNICORN EMOJI!

(I hate that farking ad)


The worst part of that ad is knowing how many people will see that and say, "ZOMG! Coolest thing EVAR!" Within a few years that will become the only way certain folks will be able to communicate.

Future job postings will entreat applicants, in lieu of a resume, to submit the talking emoji that best represents what they have to offer the company.

A few years ago, under a fever, I had a very vivid dream comparing Eve's bitten apple and the fall from paradise with St.Eve Job's dumbing people down with his never-ending parade of smart-phones proudly bearing the apple-with-a-bite logo. Then my fever broke, and I said, "Oh, my fur and whiskers. It was all just a dream!"
 
2018-01-12 02:11:36 PM  

BullBearMS: Callous: What someone with an abnormal fear of iCloud might look like.

Perhaps when someone sends emails to celebrities asking them for their online account usernames and passwords, they should just delete those emails?

A man agreed to plead guilty to hacking into 550 Apple iCloud and Gmail accounts, including those of celebrities in Los Angeles, officials said Monday.

Emilio Herrera, of Chicago, fooled hundreds of men and women, including 40 celebrities, into sending him username and password information by using phishing emails that looked as if they came from Apple, Yahoo and Hotmail, according to the U.S. attorney's office.


You put your data on someone else's computer you lose control of it.
 
2018-01-12 02:15:12 PM  

BullBearMS: When given a choice between an Android phone that suddenly turns off without warning because the battery has reached it's end of life or an iPhone that clocks itself down instead of just turning off without warning, I'll take the latter.

Of course, not even Google's phones get software updates past two years, which happens to be the average lifespan of a battery, so you have to throw the whole thing away no matter if the battery is still good or not.


First, I don't know where you heard that line but I've seen a few Applebots saying it.  Android phones shut off when the battery is critically low just like any phone - your precious iPhone included.  It is not "without warning" in the least.  The battery indicator gets lower obviously.  You get "low battery" and "very low battery" etc messages too.  Did you really believe otherwise?  Because you've been lied to.

Your other notion is funny considering I was using an Galaxy S3 until some point in the last few months of 2017.  I now have a LG V20 and only bothered upgrading because I was switching to T-Mobile anyhow and my old phone was CDMA.  Both my old phone and new have an micro-SD card and removable(upgradable) batteries.  Terrific options that you "don't need" and I won't own a phone without.

PvtStash: A phone that runs slower does still run, compare to a phone with a batter that dies before the end of a reasonably useful amount of time each day.


And if that phone runs so slow that you can't do anything in that "reasonable amount of time" then what?  Keep in mind the CPU is far from the only draw.  The display eats a lot of power, and now it has to remain on longer because it takes longer to DO anything.

Plus I've also read a number of accounts of people who paid a repair shop to replace their iPhone battery only to see no restoration of speed.  That may be only anecdotal evidence, but enough for me to seriously doubt the claim that the slow downs occur as a reaction to battery life.  Why would they be tied to OS upgrades instead of a "feature" that's always there in the OS?  That doesn't make sense from a practical implementation point of view... if they're actually telling the truth about this "feature."  I'd like someone to benchmark an old phone before and after a battery swap.  That would confirm or deny that they're being honest here.
 
2018-01-12 02:16:35 PM  

H31N0US: I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.


My iPhone 6 in the last few weeks started dropping from 100% charge to 1% overnight with no changes
in usage profile, to the point where I started the process of getting a new one (it's my company phone).
This past Wednesday Apple pushed out an iOS update, and imagine my (lack of) surprise when the
battery strength seems to be back to normal.
 
2018-01-12 02:20:48 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: H31N0US: I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.

My iPhone 6 in the last few weeks started dropping from 100% charge to 1% overnight with no changes
in usage profile, to the point where I started the process of getting a new one (it's my company phone).
This past Wednesday Apple pushed out an iOS update, and imagine my (lack of) surprise when the
battery strength seems to be back to normal.


Ooooh whatever bug or issue that was using up your battery was fixed with an OS reinstall?
 
2018-01-12 02:23:41 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: H31N0US: I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.

My iPhone 6 in the last few weeks started dropping from 100% charge to 1% overnight with no changes
in usage profile, to the point where I started the process of getting a new one (it's my company phone).
This past Wednesday Apple pushed out an iOS update, and imagine my (lack of) surprise when the
battery strength seems to be back to normal.


Is the phone running slower than before?  If not, might have been something unrelated.

Keep in mind batteries are just like any other product, some go bad earlier than normal, some have defects, etc.

Also sometimes a factory reset can do wonders..
 
2018-01-12 02:26:02 PM  

saintstryfe: DjangoStonereaver: H31N0US: I have a iPhone 6, and I did notice it was dragging. The phone app would freeze when I exited voice mail. So there I would be, just having listened to a voicemail that solicited a time sensitive callback, and my phone app was frozen. Frustrating. I just updated the os today, so I'll see if it still happens. Aside from that, this phone does all I need it to do. Not sure why upgrade.

My iPhone 6 in the last few weeks started dropping from 100% charge to 1% overnight with no changes
in usage profile, to the point where I started the process of getting a new one (it's my company phone).
This past Wednesday Apple pushed out an iOS update, and imagine my (lack of) surprise when the
battery strength seems to be back to normal.

Ooooh whatever bug or issue that was using up your battery was fixed with an OS reinstall?


Yep a reset probably would have had the same result.  Or just tracking down your issue and fixing it.
 
2018-01-12 02:29:52 PM  

Callous: iPhanboi whataboutism detected.


I know, right? Clearly when Apple provides software and security updates for their devices for years longer than Google does for it's own, Apple is only doing it to force you to buy a new device sooner.

Heck, even the update to try and squeeze more than the average two years out of a replaceable battery is evil because real devices shut off suddenly without warning and don't ever security updates after two years, Amirite?
 
2018-01-12 02:30:20 PM  

bingethinker: bronyaur1: One is naive if the added bonus of being inking old phones and pads did not play s role in Apple's decisions to push out irreversible OS upgrades.

I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.


I've owned at least two apple pads or phones since 2009.  I don't need a website to tell me what to think, fanboi.
 
2018-01-12 02:32:10 PM  

bronyaur1: bingethinker: bronyaur1: One is naive if the added bonus of being inking old phones and pads did not play s role in Apple's decisions to push out irreversible OS upgrades.

I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.

I've owned at least two apple pads or phones since 2009.  I don't need a website to tell me what to think, fanboi.


Apparently you do.
 
2018-01-12 02:33:28 PM  

BullBearMS: real devices shut off suddenly without warning


I've already corrected you - THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.  Let me repeat myself then -

bk3k: First, I don't know where you heard that line but I've seen a few Applebots saying it. Android phones shut off when the battery is critically low just like any phone - your precious iPhone included. It is not "without warning" in the least. The battery indicator gets lower obviously. You get "low battery" and "very low battery" etc messages too. Did you really believe otherwise? Because you've been lied to.


So you need to adjust your talking points.
 
2018-01-12 02:33:30 PM  
What a wonderful way to sell discounted replacement batteries that will not magically speed up your phone.

Genius.
 
2018-01-12 02:33:32 PM  

bronyaur1: bingethinker: bronyaur1: One is naive if the added bonus of being inking old phones and pads did not play s role in Apple's decisions to push out irreversible OS upgrades.

I think it's naive to accept propaganda that comes from certain companies or news sources with a known hatred of Apple, and a financial interest in dragging Apple down.

I've owned at least two apple pads or phones since 2009.  I don't need a website to tell me what to think, fanboi.


Clarification: at least two at any given time. Probably have owned eight or ten different Apple devices since 2009. They have some good things about them, but being controlled by the Apple corporate universe is not among them.
 
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