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2018-01-12 08:59:38 AM  
FTA---"I'm trying to win a super bowl...I CAN CARE LESS about what happens after this season"

Stick to football. Stop trying to communicate.
 
2018-01-12 09:09:03 AM  
Spoiler - he won't

He'll weigh the value of (I don't know what his tag will be) $15 million, vs the $40 million ($18 guaranteed and the rest funny money that he may never see) he'll get in a long term deal vs the $0 if he retires.
 
2018-01-12 09:37:40 AM  
I feel real bad for a guy who will be making $12 mil per year (or whatever) as a franchise player.
 
2018-01-12 09:40:48 AM  
The players are the dumb ones to allow the franchise tag.  That is one thing they need to throw out.
 
2018-01-12 09:42:09 AM  

MtnByker: The players are the dumb ones to allow the franchise tag.  That is one thing they need to throw out.


The owners love it. The players would have to give up something pretty substantial to get rid of it.
 
2018-01-12 09:59:48 AM  

John Buck 41: FTA---"I'm trying to win a super bowl...I CAN CARE LESS about what happens after this season"

Stick to football. Stop trying to communicate.

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2018-01-12 10:12:07 AM  
LaVar Ball will adopt him, only one letter to change and he'll fit right in.
 
2018-01-12 10:19:19 AM  

John Buck 41: FTA---"I'm trying to win a super bowl...I CAN CARE LESS about what happens after this season"


does anyone more than athletes consistently screw this up?

does Bell just want out of PIT?  Franchise tag for RBs is $12.7M.  I get that the tag prevents him from potentially getting a better offer, but....is he unhappy that he can't get a better deal elsewhere?  I suppose I'd get upset if I got tagged 2 years ina  row but, threatening retirement?  It seems to me (based upon complete uniformed speculation, this is fark after all) that maybe he just wants out of PIT.
 
2018-01-12 10:30:59 AM  

rickythepenguin: does anyone more than athletes consistently screw this up?


yes, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people attempting to use the expression fark it up.
 
2018-01-12 10:44:23 AM  
He's 25. That means he has 2 lucrative contracts left in him. I don't blame him for being a bit antsy. RB money years are pretty short
 
2018-01-12 10:47:22 AM  

Gubbo: The owners love it. The players would have to give up something pretty substantial to get rid of it.


I'm guessing that would be one of the things on the table to trade for an expanded regular season. Or at least a major restriction thereof (no player can be put under the franchise tag more than once).
 
2018-01-12 10:52:49 AM  
I like his pink mouthguard. I don't like players who wear the mouthguards with fangs - ooh scary!
 
2018-01-12 10:54:50 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Gubbo: The owners love it. The players would have to give up something pretty substantial to get rid of it.

I'm guessing that would be one of the things on the table to trade for an expanded regular season. Or at least a major restriction thereof (no player can be put under the franchise tag more than once).


That's another tough one. The fans don't want that, because we've seen enough crappy week 15/16/17 games with half the starters injured and half the teams playing for nothing. The owners don't want it because they'd have to pay the players more (probably). And the players don't want it. And the tv networks don't really want it.

I think the bigger issue is that due to terrible leadership, the players don't really have anything they can easily give up to get the things that they want.
 
2018-01-12 10:59:41 AM  
Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.
 
2018-01-12 11:11:42 AM  

Gubbo: The owners don't want it because they'd have to pay the players more (probably).


Actually, the owners have wanted it, because a) it's an extra home game they could charge tickets and concessions and luxury suites for; and b) they could extort more money from the networks.

Having said that, given the current TV climate (NFL ratings down; networks realizing that live sports doesn't save them from cord-cutting as much as they thought), the focus on how the NFL handles player safety, and the fact that the players would probably demand a bigger cut of the pie (including expanded rosters), an 18-game season is not as likely as it was just a few years ago.
 
2018-01-12 11:20:13 AM  
The players never should have agreed to the Franchise Tag process.  It is 100% owner-friendly and 100% anti-player.

Basically it takes an incredibly valuable commodity - a player who's due to enter free-agency in the prime of his career and at the top of the market - and takes away from him all of his negotiating rights and a lot of his value.  Yes, the player gets paid each year under the tag at a high rate, but in the NFL every year is uncertain and players' careers are very short, so if you're a top running back in the NFL and you should be able to make a team offer you a multi-year contract with guaranteed money, the franchise tag takes that away and just gives you one year at a time - by the time you're out of franchise tag years, you may well be too old and worn out to be able to get anywhere near the years or money or guarantees that you would have been entitled to if you had just been able to enter the free agent market.
 
2018-01-12 11:29:37 AM  
Man i'm kind of tired of hearing about Steelers players contemplating retirement.
 
2018-01-12 11:29:48 AM  

WinoRhino: Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.


For as much as I can't stand the Pats, this is a very valid point. Bell needs to shut his trap right now. The Steelers don't like squeaky wheels when it comes to money. Remember when 'what's his name' wanted more and they went with Brown instead?
 
2018-01-12 11:34:51 AM  
Knowing the Steelers, they'd let him walk.

Knowing the Patriots, they'd sign him for the lols.
 
2018-01-12 11:39:01 AM  
While Bell does want to get "paid", he also wants a long-term contract that will protect him in case of injuries or a perceived drop in production (this work horse is getting old, let's just get a new cheaper one!). Pit is tagging him because he is "in his prime" and they don't want to lose him. I would love to be able to see what the 5 year deal that they offered looks like but from what I can tell there is little to no guarantee. Tom Pelissero when talking about ALL THE MONEY Bell said no to also said "#Steelers don't do guarantees in future years, so there's risk either way. But clearly Bell is betting on himself here." So yeah I will buy Bell's "it's not about the amount" or whatever, it's about how much is guaranteed.
 
2018-01-12 11:44:27 AM  

iron_city_ap: WinoRhino: Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.

For as much as I can't stand the Pats, this is a very valid point. Bell needs to shut his trap right now. The Steelers don't like squeaky wheels when it comes to money. Remember when 'what's his name' wanted more and they went with Brown instead?


You mean the guy who will be sitting at home watching 60 Minutes on Sunday? ;)

\just kidding, he'll be watching his navel
\\because he's either a moron or an imbecile, can't tell which
 
2018-01-12 11:52:00 AM  

meera's frog spear: I like his pink mouthguard. I don't like players who wear the mouthguards with fangs - ooh scary!


the one that bugs me the most, and you see this moreso in the college ranks than pro, although you'll see young pros do it, is to wear the chin strap with the ends untrimmed, so that they stick out like viking horns.  OMG THE VIKING GUY IS GONNA TACKLE ME, OH NOEZ.  every time i see that i wish the trainer would rush over with shears and cut them.  it's a stupid look.

as are those rubber band thingies (again, moreso in college in pro) that players will have on their biceps.  they're not securing the uniform or anything.  they're just there.
 
2018-01-12 12:08:32 PM  
Nice to see he's focused on the big picture this weekend
 
2018-01-12 12:18:11 PM  

iron_city_ap: WinoRhino: Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.

For as much as I can't stand the Pats, this is a very valid point. Bell needs to shut his trap right now. The Steelers don't like squeaky wheels when it comes to money. Remember when 'what's his name' wanted more and they went with Brown instead?


Eh. Roster spots are valuable.
 
2018-01-12 12:35:34 PM  
I really can't stand this crap. I get he's one of the best all purpose backs in the NFL, but who wants to blow most of their cap space on one guy that isn't a franchise qb? And he knows who he's playing for. If he wants to go make $20M/year playing for the Redskins or Raiders, he can go have a blast.

Steelers might throw him a bone, but my guess is that if he doesn't shut his piehole, he'll just get traded for a decent draft pick.
 
2018-01-12 12:40:01 PM  
Honestly, good for him.  He has made $16 million so far, which is plenty.  He doesn't need the money, and he has been very vocal about that.  It's about getting what he feels he deserves.  Is further brain damage worth $14 million if you already earned $16 million?  Probably now.
 
2018-01-12 12:40:47 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: Honestly, good for him.  He has made $16 million so far, which is plenty.  He doesn't need the money, and he has been very vocal about that.  It's about getting what he feels he deserves.  Is further brain damage worth $14 million if you already earned $16 million?  Probably now.


Probably not I meant to say.
 
2018-01-12 01:00:36 PM  

Dafatone: iron_city_ap: WinoRhino: Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.

For as much as I can't stand the Pats, this is a very valid point. Bell needs to shut his trap right now. The Steelers don't like squeaky wheels when it comes to money. Remember when 'what's his name' wanted more and they went with Brown instead?

Eh. Roster spots are valuable.


Completely true. But you can't count all roster spots as equal; you need to calculate a value based on productivity and dollar cost. In this case they used 3 roster spots to produce more than double the TDs than if they opted to pay a single guy the same amount of money.

Think of it this way: there's a ceiling on a single player's production in a season. Take the RB each year who had the most yards from scrimmage / TDs and see how much he gets paid, and then compare it to a RB by committee like I did above. You'll see that cost goes down and productivity goes up. It's just the smarter way to do it. The idea is roster spots should be used to help you win.
 
2018-01-12 01:25:18 PM  
Great player. Love having him. That said, never break the bank on a RB. He's pretty much the best 25 year old RB you could ever hope to have so I expect someone will pay him. Nothing against the guy - a 25 year old in his shoes HAS TO get paid. I just hope sdomeone else does it. Me, I'd tag him and deal with the fallout. He's already a freakin' miracle to have come back as strong as he has from not one but two significant knee injuries. He should get a scam-artist snake oil guy like brady and start making easily debunked health claims about how bad tomatoes are for you. I welcome him back but expect he'll be playing elsewhere next year.
 
2018-01-12 02:08:02 PM  

rickythepenguin: John Buck 41: FTA---"I'm trying to win a super bowl...I CAN CARE LESS about what happens after this season"

does anyone more than athletes consistently screw this up?

does Bell just want out of PIT?  Franchise tag for RBs is $12.7M.  I get that the tag prevents him from potentially getting a better offer, but....is he unhappy that he can't get a better deal elsewhere?  I suppose I'd get upset if I got tagged 2 years ina  row but, threatening retirement?  It seems to me (based upon complete uniformed speculation, this is fark after all) that maybe he just wants out of PIT.


I think i read he gets an extra 2.5 for the 2nd tag. He will be making over 15M for that tag, if they decide to do it. I think they offered him 11 or 12 per year over 4 years prior to the season. He wants 15 every year and the tag is the only way he will make that kind of money unless he suddenly learns how to throw the ball at the level of an NFL QB.
 
2018-01-12 02:15:20 PM  

iron_city_ap: WinoRhino: Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.

For as much as I can't stand the Pats, this is a very valid point. Bell needs to shut his trap right now. The Steelers don't like squeaky wheels when it comes to money. Remember when 'what's his name' wanted more and they went with Brown instead?


I agree. As much as I don't like the Pats this comment holds water. But we should acknowledge one thing, Bell certainly is a bit more of a game changer than any of those RBs listed. The Pats will not be able to get the same success with a bunch of semi-names at RB & WR once #12 retires (and to a lesser extent when Gronk is gone).
 
2018-01-12 02:16:20 PM  
Football is pretty much the only sport in which I 100% support the players doing anything & everything in their power to power-grab every single pfennig they can get their paws on, pretty much no matter what

Non-guaranteed contracts, draft lockups for 5 years, franchise tags, trades without choice, there are SO many ways the players are SCREWED by the PA, the clubs and the owners on a daily basis.

Your lives are short, your careers are shorter...take every nickel you can grab along the way, because they'd cut/replace you in less time than it took to type this sentence and there's 1000 guys waiting to be the one to take your roster spot.
 
2018-01-12 02:44:59 PM  

xaks: Non-guaranteed contracts, draft lockups for 5 years, franchise tags, trades without choice, there are SO many ways the players are SCREWED by the PA, the clubs and the owners on a daily basis.


Yup. Even when we hear those large contract numbers that get all of the attention (and ire from "regular folk"), fact is that the vast majority of players only earn maybe 30% of that before either being cut loose or forced to redo the contract.

xaks: Your lives are short, your careers are shorter...take every nickel you can grab along the way, because they'd cut/replace you in less time than it took to type this sentence and there's 1000 guys waiting to be the one to take your roster spot


Yup. "Loyalty" in the NFL is based 100% on what the organization believes is your cost/value ratio.
 
2018-01-12 02:47:40 PM  

WhackingDay: I really can't stand this crap. I get he's one of the best all purpose backs in the NFL, but who wants to blow most of their cap space on one guy that isn't a franchise qb? And he knows who he's playing for. If he wants to go make $20M/year playing for the Redskins or Raiders, he can go have a blast.

Steelers might throw him a bone, but my guess is that if he doesn't shut his piehole, he'll just get traded for a decent draft pick.


This post is so dumb it makes me wonder if you even know what the acronym NFL stands for.
 
2018-01-12 02:56:26 PM  

cefm: The players never should have agreed to the Franchise Tag process.  It is 100% owner-friendly and 100% anti-player.

Basically it takes an incredibly valuable commodity - a player who's due to enter free-agency in the prime of his career and at the top of the market - and takes away from him all of his negotiating rights and a lot of his value.  Yes, the player gets paid each year under the tag at a high rate, but in the NFL every year is uncertain and players' careers are very short, so if you're a top running back in the NFL and you should be able to make a team offer you a multi-year contract with guaranteed money, the franchise tag takes that away and just gives you one year at a time - by the time you're out of franchise tag years, you may well be too old and worn out to be able to get anywhere near the years or money or guarantees that you would have been entitled to if you had just been able to enter the free agent market.


They had to agree to it in order to get free agency in the early 90's. But 30 years on, and I agree with you its bad for the players. They will have to give something up, or strike because owners like it.
 
2018-01-12 03:31:04 PM  

BlazeTrailer: I agree. As much as I don't like the Pats this comment holds water. But we should acknowledge one thing, Bell certainly is a bit more of a game changer than any of those RBs listed. The Pats will not be able to get the same success with a bunch of semi-names at RB & WR once #12 retires (and to a lesser extent when Gronk is gone).


Agreed-- Bell is an elite player. Compared one-on-one to any of the ones I listed he is decidedly better.
I don't know to what extent Brady and Gronk affect this situation. I'd have to look at some more stats and other teams that have used multiple backs in this manner. One season isn't a good enough sample size for me to feel comfortable preaching about, but the productivity the Patriots had with these 4 backs was surprising to me so I am curious.
 
2018-01-12 04:31:34 PM  
xaks: they'd cut/replace you in less time than it took to type this sentence and there's 1000 guys waiting to be the one to take your roster spot.

Well...yeah, which is why the franchise tag is irrelevant. The Steelers will give him a shiat-ton of money. Take it, shut up,and play. Or end up in Cleveland, dumbass.
 
2018-01-12 04:31:48 PM  

WinoRhino: Dafatone: iron_city_ap: WinoRhino: Bell:  "Value me!"

Don't mind if I do.

Le'Veon Bell: Cost: $14m
1,946 yards from scrimmage with 11 TDs.

James White, Rex Burkhead, Dion Lewis, Mike Gillislee: Cost:   $12m
2,626 yards from scrimmage with 25 TDs

Plus, the Patriots get injury insurance, and don't have to deal with prima-donna style pouting. Plus they win Superbowls.

For as much as I can't stand the Pats, this is a very valid point. Bell needs to shut his trap right now. The Steelers don't like squeaky wheels when it comes to money. Remember when 'what's his name' wanted more and they went with Brown instead?

Eh. Roster spots are valuable.

Completely true. But you can't count all roster spots as equal; you need to calculate a value based on productivity and dollar cost. In this case they used 3 roster spots to produce more than double the TDs than if they opted to pay a single guy the same amount of money.

Think of it this way: there's a ceiling on a single player's production in a season. Take the RB each year who had the most yards from scrimmage / TDs and see how much he gets paid, and then compare it to a RB by committee like I did above. You'll see that cost goes down and productivity goes up. It's just the smarter way to do it. The idea is roster spots should be used to help you win.


who sells more jerseys?
 
2018-01-12 04:57:15 PM  

Sailing Starflower: who sells more jerseys?


Aren't jersey $ distributed among all teams?
 
2018-01-12 05:57:49 PM  

John Buck 41: Sailing Starflower: who sells more jerseys?

Aren't jersey $ distributed among all teams?


I thought I heard that nationally, jersey sales are equally split, but local sales stay with the team.
 
2018-01-12 05:57:58 PM  
Uh...shouldn't he just take the money, play out that year, THEN walk away?
 
2018-01-12 06:03:49 PM  
I know this is not going to matter much, but this comment was made by Bell because a reporter specifically asked him about the franchise tag. So the comments about "where's his head", etc. are a little silly. He answered a reporters question, on the fly - so instead of "no comment, I'm focused on this weekend", he gave ESPN a story, Fark a thread, and boosted his own social media profile in the process.

Although I do believe a part of him could take or leave football, he seems to have a few other interests outside of the sport that involve less potential brain damage.
 
2018-01-12 06:10:40 PM  

Sailing Starflower: who sells more jerseys?


Bell does, by far. But how does that relate to the conversation? The Patriots would get just as much money from Bell jerseys being sold as the Steelers would, if that's the direction you were going.
 
2018-01-12 06:18:45 PM  

WhackingDay: John Buck 41: Sailing Starflower: who sells more jerseys?

Aren't jersey $ distributed among all teams?

I thought I heard that nationally, jersey sales are equally split, but local sales stay with the team.


How are they differentiated?
 
2018-01-12 06:25:07 PM  

Disaster Transport: so instead of "no comment, I'm focused on this weekend",


Which would've been the smart thing to do.

he gave ESPN a story

Fu*k Espn.

Fark a thread

We have plenty.

and boosted his own social media profile in the process.


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I don't care if you defend him, really. But timing-wise, I think he handled this poorly.
 
2018-01-12 06:33:10 PM  

Disaster Transport: I know this is not going to matter much, but this comment was made by Bell because a reporter specifically asked him about the franchise tag. So the comments about "where's his head", etc. are a little silly. He answered a reporters question, on the fly - so instead of "no comment, I'm focused on this weekend", he gave ESPN a story, Fark a thread, and boosted his own social media profile in the process.

Although I do believe a part of him could take or leave football, he seems to have a few other interests outside of the sport that involve less potential brain damage.


Yes, but as Mark Madden* pointed out, nobody on the Patriots would ever make that statement a few days before a playoff game.

*huge asshole on Pittsburgh radio, but unlike assholes on Fark, usually right
 
2018-01-12 07:28:41 PM  

Sailing Starflower: as Mark Madden* pointed out, nobody on the Patriots would ever make that statement a few days before a playoff game.


You are correct.
 
2018-01-12 08:11:19 PM  

Sailing Starflower: Disaster Transport: I know this is not going to matter much, but this comment was made by Bell because a reporter specifically asked him about the franchise tag. So the comments about "where's his head", etc. are a little silly. He answered a reporters question, on the fly - so instead of "no comment, I'm focused on this weekend", he gave ESPN a story, Fark a thread, and boosted his own social media profile in the process.

Although I do believe a part of him could take or leave football, he seems to have a few other interests outside of the sport that involve less potential brain damage.

Yes, but as Mark Madden* pointed out, nobody on the Patriots would ever make that statement a few days before a playoff game.

*huge asshole on Pittsburgh radio, but unlike assholes on Fark, usually right


This is a side of you I've never seen. Actually admiring something the Patriots do and wishing your Steelers did that.
 
2018-01-12 09:00:58 PM  
Blount, what does Blount say, isn't he his main man advisor?
 
2018-01-12 09:09:05 PM  

grumpyguru: WhackingDay: I really can't stand this crap. I get he's one of the best all purpose backs in the NFL, but who wants to blow most of their cap space on one guy that isn't a franchise qb? And he knows who he's playing for. If he wants to go make $20M/year playing for the Redskins or Raiders, he can go have a blast.

Steelers might throw him a bone, but my guess is that if he doesn't shut his piehole, he'll just get traded for a decent draft pick.

This post is so dumb it makes me wonder if you even know what the acronym NFL stands for.


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